Let's talk about why there is no Magic Damage increase passive
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✭How come this is still not added into the game? I was for sure with this racial rebalance we would be seeing a passive to Altmer or Breton to increase Magic Damage by 3-5%, for the classes of Nightblades and Templars are becoming weaker and weaker due to the fact they just can't keep up with Fire, Frost and Shock Damage bonuses.
From a balance point of view I see no reason why this isn't in the game at the moment. It's still very early into the PTS, I'm hoping it can be made into Live, especially with the recent change to Dunmer including all the Elemental Damage in the world but leaving Altmer or Breton without Magic Damage.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @WrobelGilliamtherogue wrote: »Magic damage should be given to Altmers for obvious lore reasons, Bretons could use some love but I am very against lore discrepancies. Bretons have always been good at mitigating magical damage, rather than controlling it. Their spell resistance passive should have an added bonus where they restore a minor amount of Magicka based on the damage taken from Elemental/Magic (1-3%, with a possible cap of resource return, or even a flat value).
Altmers should then receive the Magic damage amp and see a 1% nerf to all sources (instead of 4% Fire/Ice/Shock, 3% of each + Magic damage).
Poison/Disease damage to Woodelves, as Argonians are already pretty suitable in terms of healers and tanks now. 2-3% Poison+Disease damage, and reduction would be a balanced setup to put them in line but not over the top with other Stamina builds.
The main thing when dealing with racial reworks in gauging them in terms of power for a multitude of specs, rather than just one aspect of game play. For example, Khajiit recently got a 6% Stamina amp, despite being the highest PvE dps in game at the moment. Sure they sacrifice sustain, but good play can alleviate that. Their efficiency severely dipped in terms of PvP due to Poisons (Minor Uncertainty/etc) and Impen/Resiliant stats, making them by far the worst stamina race in that light.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Yes we are definitely coming from a PvE centric point of view, but in PvP between all of the mitigation and the damage reductions that 3% won't change much. In PvE however it would help provide an alternative racial choice, which is the point of racial changes.
^This. @Zos please give breton a magicka dmg racial passive, not a freakin AP bonus."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."1 -
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That doesn't solve anything, because cost reduction gets hit pretty hard with diminishing returns, regeneration does notBuff the 3% Magicka cost decrease to 5 or 6%
Problem solved!
I'd rather cast more spells than have damage any day, dark brotherhood PVP is all about sustain, sustain, and then more sustain.
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At what point does it get hit with diminishing returns?
I don't stack any on my gear except for the seducer set, then there's the light armor bonus, the Breton bonus, and around 11% from the CP.Edited by Minalan on June 30, 2016 3:55PM0 -
Akimbro✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »How come this is still not added into the game? I was for sure with this racial rebalance we would be seeing a passive to Altmer or Breton to increase Magic Damage by 3-5%, for the classes of Nightblades and Templars are becoming weaker and weaker due to the fact they just can't keep up with Fire, Frost and Shock Damage bonuses.
From a balance point of view I see no reason why this isn't in the game at the moment. It's still very early into the PTS, I'm hoping it can be made into Live, especially with the recent change to Dunmer including all the Elemental Damage in the world but leaving Altmer or Breton without Magic Damage.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @WrobelGilliamtherogue wrote: »Magic damage should be given to Altmers for obvious lore reasons, Bretons could use some love but I am very against lore discrepancies. Bretons have always been good at mitigating magical damage, rather than controlling it. Their spell resistance passive should have an added bonus where they restore a minor amount of Magicka based on the damage taken from Elemental/Magic (1-3%, with a possible cap of resource return, or even a flat value).
Altmers should then receive the Magic damage amp and see a 1% nerf to all sources (instead of 4% Fire/Ice/Shock, 3% of each + Magic damage).
Poison/Disease damage to Woodelves, as Argonians are already pretty suitable in terms of healers and tanks now. 2-3% Poison+Disease damage, and reduction would be a balanced setup to put them in line but not over the top with other Stamina builds.
The main thing when dealing with racial reworks in gauging them in terms of power for a multitude of specs, rather than just one aspect of game play. For example, Khajiit recently got a 6% Stamina amp, despite being the highest PvE dps in game at the moment. Sure they sacrifice sustain, but good play can alleviate that. Their efficiency severely dipped in terms of PvP due to Poisons (Minor Uncertainty/etc) and Impen/Resiliant stats, making them by far the worst stamina race in that light.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Yes we are definitely coming from a PvE centric point of view, but in PvP between all of the mitigation and the damage reductions that 3% won't change much. In PvE however it would help provide an alternative racial choice, which is the point of racial changes.
^This. @Zos please give breton a magicka dmg racial passive, not a freakin AP bonus.
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Attackopsn✭✭✭✭✭Lol @the posts talking about passive racial increases in magic making dps magplar/blade being op
Look at Dark Elf passives and Breton passives, I'll even list the ones that are relevant to this discussion
Dunmer - 7% flame, 2% shock, 2% frost, 9% magicka (Includes flame resistance)
Breton - 10% magicka, 3% magicka cost reduction (Includes spell resistance)
If it's op from a trials dps perspective to have magic passive increase, then why isn't it op that Dunmer have 7% fire? Yes, NB and Templar have mostly magic damage abilities, but some classes such as magicka dragonknights have purely fire damage.
Bretons are bad, there needs to be at least a 4-5% increase in magic damageEdited by Attackopsn on June 30, 2016 4:40PMign: ATTACKO
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Elyu✭✭✭While we're on the subject, there is the start of a trend that gets me:
Mag dk paired with dunmer is extremely powerful, as is mag sorc paired with altmer. This is purely based on how their class and racial passives play off each other.
At the risk of creating more 'BiS' race-class combos would it not make sense to have each damage type tie-in with a certain class?
Mag dk: fire
Mag sorc: lightning
Mag nb: frost
Mag templar: magic ('holy warrior' and all that)
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stam dk: poison
stam sorc: physical
stam nb: disease (they already have a few class skills that deal poison damage, so it would make sense to tie passives in with this)
stam templar: here's the problem, as there are only 3 'stamina' damage types, so either add a new damage type, or give them physical damage passives too (burning light counts!)
I'm not even going to talk about racial-specific damage type passives as it seems to be a touchy subject at the moment.
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I haven't got the full details but a 501 Altmer is better sustain than a Breton
That doesn't solve anything, because cost reduction gets hit pretty hard with diminishing returns, regeneration does notBuff the 3% Magicka cost decrease to 5 or 6%
Problem solved!
I'd rather cast more spells than have damage any day, dark brotherhood PVP is all about sustain, sustain, and then more sustain.
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At what point does it get hit with diminishing returns?
I don't stack any on my gear except for the seducer set, then there's the light armor bonus, the Breton bonus, and around 11% from the CP.
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Akimbro✭✭✭✭Attackopsn wrote: »Lol @the posts talking about passive racial increases in magic making dps magplar/blade being op
Look at Dark Elf passives and Breton passives, I'll even list the ones that are relevant to this discussion
Dunmer - 7% flame, 2% shock, 2% frost, 9% magicka (Includes flame resistance)
Breton - 10% magicka, 3% magicka cost reduction (Includes spell resistance)
If it's op from a trials dps perspective to have magic passive increase, then why isn't it op that Dunmer have 7% fire? Yes, NB and Templar have mostly magic damage abilities, but some classes such as magicka dragonknights have purely fire damage.
Bretons are bad, there needs to be at least a 4-5% increase in magic damage
Precisely. I, along with a few others, have suggested Altmers receive a crit bonus instead of elemental, as Dunmer already has elemental with the PTS changes. This also wouldn't take away from the lore of Altmers being arcane masters, where straight magic damage would mean no strengths for elemental either. The crit bonus, however, should provide an equivalent dps output to the 4% bonus they had.ALACRITY Emperors united RIP
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Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭This whole thread is ridiculous. Bretons, Altmer, and Dunmer have been crushing it since launch with great passives and now you want more? Talking about increasing their damage? I'm speechless.
Then you have Argonians....
The balance in this game is deplorable.Edited by Junkogen on July 2, 2016 10:41AM0 -
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You want to play as a shadowscale right? you know having tamriel filled with that playstyle is incredibly lore breaking... so they gave argonians healing. This isn't skyrimThis whole thread is ridiculous. Bretons, Altmer, and Dunmer have been crushing it since launch with great passives and now you want more? Talking about increasing their damage? I'm speechless.
Then you have Argonians....
The balance in this game is deplorable.
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Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭and yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
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You want to play as a shadowscale right? you know having tamriel filled with that playstyle is incredibly lore breaking... so they gave argonians healing. This isn't skyrimThis whole thread is ridiculous. Bretons, Altmer, and Dunmer have been crushing it since launch with great passives and now you want more? Talking about increasing their damage? I'm speechless.
Then you have Argonians....
The balance in this game is deplorable.
Wow, dude. What a ridiculous retort. This is an MMO. There's all kinds of lore-breaking going on.1 -
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✭✭and yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
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Ya know, he's being saltyand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
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Ya know, he's being saltyand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
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Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭and yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.0 -
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✭✭and yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.Noobplar0 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭and yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? That's rich. Now I've heard it all. You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.Edited by Junkogen on July 2, 2016 1:21PM0 -
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Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
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✭✭and yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
l2read patchnotes. Argonians now have 9% more healing done and 3% max magicka. And yes, i don't understand why dunmer and khajit (two of the best races for dps) are buffed and bretons (as i said...good for nothing) not. Cost reduction faces dimishing returns (see @Nifty2g 's explanation) and those resistances are nice but doesn't make the class viable in any way.Noobplar1 -
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10% max magicka or stamina is the best passive in the game, hands down. Do you not know how damage is calculated? If magicka resistance is meh, then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
My argument is that your just furthering the imbalance by asking for what your asking. If Bretons get a damage increase, I know which race I'll be switching to. So I guess I'll shut up and see if ZOS will actually go along with what you're proposing.
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10% max magicka or stamina is the best passive in the game, hands down. Do you not know how damage is calculated? If magicka resistance is meh, then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
My argument is that your just furthering the imbalance by asking for what your asking. If Bretons get a damage increase, I know which race I'll be switching to. So I guess I'll shut up and see if ZOS will actually go along with what you're proposing.
10% max stats ios only best, if you want to show a nice character screen. for best DPS/HPS 7% more flame damage, 8% more crit or 9% more healing done for example are better.Noobplar2 -
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Refer back to page 1 & 2
10% max magicka or stamina is the best passive in the game, hands down. Do you not know how damage is calculated? If magicka resistance is meh, then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
My argument is that your just furthering the imbalance by asking for what your asking. If Bretons get a damage increase, I know which race I'll be switching to. So I guess I'll shut up and see if ZOS will actually go along with what you're proposing.
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So you're saying in this instance a Breton will hit harder spells than an Argonian
then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
So 3% max magicka for argonian, and 9% healing done.and 12% of your max resources etc (incredible sustain)Amphibious: This passive ability has been renamed to “Resourceful.” Also, it no longer increases your swimming speed by 50%. It now increases your Max Magicka by 1/2/3%, and continues to restore 4/8/12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina whenever you drink a potion.
Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.
Bretons, 3% cost reduction (really bad)
10% max magicka
so the comparison is, 7% max magicka vs 9% healing done. I don't think I need to explain which is obviously better#MOREORBS1 -
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10% max magicka or stamina is the best passive in the game, hands down. Do you not know how damage is calculated? If magicka resistance is meh, then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
My argument is that your just furthering the imbalance by asking for what your asking. If Bretons get a damage increase, I know which race I'll be switching to. So I guess I'll shut up and see if ZOS will actually go along with what you're proposing.
Personally I am definitely for giving other races better buffs, but Bretons do indeed lack the magic damage buff that they deserve. I would give Bretons the magic damage and then buff the other races with something that gives them a unique flavor. I would take 10% stam and poison damage on a bosmer, etc....2 -
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So you're saying in this instance a Breton will hit harder spells than an Argonian
then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
So 3% max magicka for argonian, and 9% healing done.and 12% of your max resources etc (incredible sustain)Amphibious: This passive ability has been renamed to “Resourceful.” Also, it no longer increases your swimming speed by 50%. It now increases your Max Magicka by 1/2/3%, and continues to restore 4/8/12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina whenever you drink a potion.
Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.
Bretons, 3% cost reduction (really bad)
10% max magicka
so the comparison is, 7% max magicka vs 9% healing done. I don't think I need to explain which is obviously better
I know. I would take the 7% max magicka versus the healing done any day of the week. In fact I would give the healing done for pretty much any other passive. That's how worthless it is for the aforementioned reason.0 -
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It's cute you don't back down from your argument I guess
So you're saying in this instance a Breton will hit harder spells than an Argonian
then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
So 3% max magicka for argonian, and 9% healing done.and 12% of your max resources etc (incredible sustain)Amphibious: This passive ability has been renamed to “Resourceful.” Also, it no longer increases your swimming speed by 50%. It now increases your Max Magicka by 1/2/3%, and continues to restore 4/8/12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina whenever you drink a potion.
Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.
Bretons, 3% cost reduction (really bad)
10% max magicka
so the comparison is, 7% max magicka vs 9% healing done. I don't think I need to explain which is obviously better
I know. I would take the 7% max magicka versus the healing done any day of the week. In fact I would give the healing done for pretty much any other passive. That's how worthless it is for the aforementioned reason.#MOREORBS0 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
10% max magicka or stamina is the best passive in the game, hands down. Do you not know how damage is calculated? If magicka resistance is meh, then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
My argument is that your just furthering the imbalance by asking for what your asking. If Bretons get a damage increase, I know which race I'll be switching to. So I guess I'll shut up and see if ZOS will actually go along with what you're proposing.
Personally I am definitely for giving other races better buffs, but Bretons do indeed lack the magic damage buff that they deserve. I would give Bretons the magic damage and then buff the other races with something that gives them a unique flavor. I would take 10% stam and poison damage on a bosmer, etc....
10% max stamina and more damage in addition to the 21% Stam regen? Am I reading that proposition correctly?0 -
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So you're saying in this instance a Breton will hit harder spells than an Argonian
then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
So 3% max magicka for argonian, and 9% healing done.and 12% of your max resources etc (incredible sustain)Amphibious: This passive ability has been renamed to “Resourceful.” Also, it no longer increases your swimming speed by 50%. It now increases your Max Magicka by 1/2/3%, and continues to restore 4/8/12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina whenever you drink a potion.
Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.
Bretons, 3% cost reduction (really bad)
10% max magicka
so the comparison is, 7% max magicka vs 9% healing done. I don't think I need to explain which is obviously better
I know. I would take the 7% max magicka versus the healing done any day of the week. In fact I would give the healing done for pretty much any other passive. That's how worthless it is for the aforementioned reason.
Even if you do so, you would have to decide between better sustain and 4% more elemental damage (altmer) and a breton which offers nothing special Noobplar1 -
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So you're saying in this instance a Breton will hit harder spells than an Argonian
then what is 9% healing given? Healing spells hit for way more than enough now. 9% healing given is downright worthless.
Lol what... Argonians are the best healers now, that healing done is a flat percentage. The max magicka is a percentage based off of your current. You get more from the Argonian passive in terms of healingand yes, i want to give them more because as it stands as i have said countless times, there is no ways to increase magic damage
@wrobel could we please get a word in here
What about your 10% max magicka boost and elemental CP star boost of another 25%? Sounds like you can boost it enough right there. Also, you're a magicka Templar? You're just being greedy. You need dark flare to instakill or something?
That's still 7% less compared to flame damage and 4% less compared to frost and shock damage. This would be a great way to make bretons a viable dps-race. Because atm it's just good for nothing
Then why not make every race a viable DPS race? Your argument is baseless. Bretons put out plenty damage with 10% max magicka.
I just completely disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Again, other races have much more valid complaints. You guys are like the billionaire class asking for more tax relief.
I know there are other races who can complain (mainly nords, maybe bosmer), but most races are best in one roll. Bretons in it's current state are outclassed by dunmer/altmer for dps and argonians for healing.
How are Bretons outclassed by Argonians for healing? You have 10% max magicka. That's way better than 9% healing given. Your argument is baseless. Bretons have magicka resistance and cost reduction. Now you want more damage? They're buffing other races to get to the Altmer/Breton level. You seem to not understand why other races are getting buffs. Buffing Altmer/Breton defeats the purpose.
Spell resistance is nice but meh, you can hit cap fairly easy as a templar.
Cost reduction compared to the amount of sustain argonians just got handed? yea... cost reduction is fairly crap at end game level
Bretons I'm going to say right now are one of the weakest classes, along side nord. What is your argument, why are you just disagreeing? I don't think you understand what it is I am asking for... Magic Damage will benefit a lot of players and playstyles, not just templars
So 3% max magicka for argonian, and 9% healing done.and 12% of your max resources etc (incredible sustain)Amphibious: This passive ability has been renamed to “Resourceful.” Also, it no longer increases your swimming speed by 50%. It now increases your Max Magicka by 1/2/3%, and continues to restore 4/8/12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina whenever you drink a potion.
Quick to Mend: This passive ability now increases your healing done by 3/6/9%, instead of increasing your healing received by 3/6/9%.
Bretons, 3% cost reduction (really bad)
10% max magicka
so the comparison is, 7% max magicka vs 9% healing done. I don't think I need to explain which is obviously better
I know. I would take the 7% max magicka versus the healing done any day of the week. In fact I would give the healing done for pretty much any other passive. That's how worthless it is for the aforementioned reason.
Even if you do so, you would have to decide between better sustain and 4% more elemental damage (altmer) and a breton which offers nothing special
I would trade the Argonian passives for the Breton passives gladly. I wouldn't give it a second thought. I've played an Argonian. I know the passives look good on paper, but in practice they don't really offer much. I really wish I could switch with you. You seem to think they're actually good. I'm probably going to change my race. I'm not complaining about Argonians for no reason. Their passives are, like you all say, for healers and not good for much else. It just irritates me that I have to burn crowns when Argonians should have completely different passives. Anyway, I'm on a tangent. I don't really care anymore. Buff Bretons. Go ahead. Whatever race is top dog after the dust settles is what I'm switching to. I'm tired of getting shafted by the devs for picking the Lizards. They clearly don't know how these passives work in the actual game. They clearly don't play Argonians and if they do they must want them to be healers.
So, you have converted me. I am now a supporter of your cause.
Buff Bretons and Altmer!1