Low levels should not be allowed to partcipate in random dungeons.

Riffler

TBH, I prefer to group with low levels. It means there's going to be some social interaction, I actually get to talk to them. It means the dungeon/boss mechanics are actually going to matter, rather than just facerolling every fight with excessive DPS as a bunch of 501CPers get through the apparent tedium of actually having to play the game.

If you want to get it over so quickly, why are you even bothering to play?

Mirelurk

OP, join a likeminded guild if you don't want to play with whatever random person shows up.

Posts like this make me so glad I started back in Beta when people were happy to play with others and teach (and learn) stuff.

FaydayanUK

or just do what everyone does group up with 3 buddies You know and voila no randoms in random dungeons. Yesterday ive spent 2+hrs in random dungeon finder on my capped tank the matching itself is broken.

bebynnag

i run the normal pledge with a group of low levels the other day (through group finder)... and they were better than most of the CPcap players that ive been grouped with!

group included people who were completley new to the game (joined 2/3 days before)

SolarCat02

Dubhliam wrote: »

autumnsongbird wrote: »

If their scaling system wasn't utter crap it would not be a big problem. As a healer, I can tell very fast who the low levels are because their health drops wildly fast and I have to run about healing, healing, healing which should not be the case if scaling wasn't total crap.

The only thing holding them back is that don't have skills to really get the most out of abilities, but they should be scaled so their health is on par with the highest level in the group or with the foes they face. What I have seen is that I am healing those low levels and reviving them far more than the higher ones which means scaling is half baked.

They should be scaled properly. Nothing scales well in this game so I can hardly wait to see what happens when we get that new open world where you are not zone locked.

I assure you, the scaling works as intended (good).

The problem you are facing is most probably that low level players don't eat food. By not eating food, their health is around 66% of the value they should have.

This is why I always bring stacks of the Wrothgar food to dungeons with me - in the magicka and stamina varieties. Good for any level, and cheap(ish) to make. (I do wish the stamina one didn't require Columbine, but I won't be running out anytime soon so I will be okay).

Ep1kMalware

I ran some lowbies through wgt pre-db. Got one guy who's first dungeon he ever ran. I had to kick him from prev group since finder gave me 5, but made it up to him after that run. If you can't run with lowbies then you're highly dependent on others carrying you through content, and have no room to complain.

me_ming

lol chances are those low levels may have more CP than you. And your only real advantage is your gear.

Sa0n

I smell elitism. Smells an awful lot like the devil's ass. Don't ask how I know this.

Niastissa

I was in a dungeon with a group of my guild mates in the Dark Brotherhood Gold Coast zone with my level 3 Nightblade scaled up to CP150. I had about CP94 at that point. We where still able to have a lot of fun and I doubled my level in that instance. I like the way the developers are scaling the zones so low level players can join in too. It allowed me to go into a different faction with a new class and enjoy new content.

Lilacgooseberries

Every MMO has these people. Always shaming low level players and giving reasons why they shouldnt be able to use certain game features. They seem to forget they were low level players once. How are we suppose to level up if they take away the things that help us level up? Or is that the point?

Lilacgooseberries

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Honestly, just group manually and don't use the grouping tool.

Also Socialize a little, get many friends and join guilds ....do dungeons with your guildies and friends. It's much better than joining randoms.

The only reason to join randoms is because you recieve gear and mats in the mail and you get XP if you finish the dungeon.

me_ming

Mirelurk wrote: »

OP, join a likeminded guild if you don't want to play with whatever random person shows up.

Posts like this make me so glad I started back in Beta when people were happy to play with others and teach (and learn) stuff.

True.

I have noticed that people are so conscious now of whether you have this amount of CP or this kind of gear, versus teaching new people how to run dungeons. I've always told my guildies, that I started running vet pledges at v1 (then), and that the people that I run it with were helpful (well, most. There were some instances where I got grouped with not so pleasant players too). But from most of my experience when I was in lowbie vet, people then were much more willing to teach you how mechanics work. Right now, not cp 160? Do more grinding/questing. I completed my first vet pledge at v1 without CP, and with only green v1 warlock set, I wasn't the best player in that run, and I have everyone in the group patient enough to wait for me to talk to the quest givers and explain every boss fight.

NBrookus

The other day, I pugged into vet Elden Hollow with 3 other 501+ CP. The "tank" couldn't hold aggro and did no buffing or CC. The DPSers were squishy and standing in red, light attacking with bows outside of healing range while I ran around like crazy trying to cover everyone and not die myself and sucking down pots. Tank quit after first boss.

Get new tank. He plows through the dungeon doing at least half the damage while I struggle to keep the DPSers alive. Finally, at the last boss, he's standing in red holding perfect aggro. I let the DPSers die and healed him through soloing the last boss. Boss dies, he drops and vanishes into the sunset without a word. "Who was that masked tank!" I think.

Yeah... he had <300 CP. Never judge a player by their level.

Burning_Talons

Love how everyone is saying they are scaled. Doesnt matter when your tabk doesn't even have a taunt because he is level 10, pr the damage dealer is bow light attacking. I dont do randoms anyway not worth it in the slightest

MasterSpatula

Normal dungeons were designed for lowbies.

newtinmpls

Zoner wrote: »

Tank's job is to keep the enemy focused on themselves so it doesn't kill the healer and damage dealers (dps). They use a taunt skill to do it, which needs to be refreshed every few seconds, and use gear meant to enable them to take a lot of damage. That's just the basics.

A note of caution - if you taunt anyone "too soon" you risk an auto-loss of the taunt. My understanding is that it was meant to prevent two tanks on opposite ends of the room, just taunting so the boss is running back and forth and not doing damage.

Skitttles

I'm torn between wanting to help new players and not wanting to spend 3 hours in a dungeon.

LadyHeloise

It's statements like the OP's that put people off starting to taking part in group content - nice way to make others without so much experience in playing this way feel welcome. No wonder I'll stick to playing solo.

SK1TZ0FR3N1K

Dubhliam wrote: »

The core problem with Random dungeons is game difficulty.

World mobs are way too easy, and players have no incentive to gear up or learn game mechanics if they can easily do solo quests in random non-set green gear while standing in red.

Questing does not prepare players for group dungeons in any way.

There have been many threads about game difficulty in the past.

You can blame this on the group that jumped in during the 5 day early access and cried "Doshia's too hard!" Or, the group that killed mud crabs to V1 and cried "Silver and Gold Zones are too hard!" Seriously, The difficulty at release (DO NOT read as the classes, the skills, the bugs, the quests, the gold spammers, etc.) imo was just right. It made you think about what you were doing, and required you to group to take down some mobs.

Clerics1985

SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

The core problem with Random dungeons is game difficulty.

World mobs are way too easy, and players have no incentive to gear up or learn game mechanics if they can easily do solo quests in random non-set green gear while standing in red.

Questing does not prepare players for group dungeons in any way.

There have been many threads about game difficulty in the past.

You can blame this on the group that jumped in during the 5 day early access and cried "Doshia's too hard!" Or, the group that killed mud crabs to V1 and cried "Silver and Gold Zones are too hard!" Seriously, The difficulty at release (DO NOT read as the classes, the skills, the bugs, the quests, the gold spammers, etc.) imo was just right. It made you think about what you were doing, and required you to group to take down some mobs.

got my ass kicked on the old Elder scrolls games rollin' into areas I wasn't ready for. Get kicked across the world by Giants and ***

RebornV3x

I agree with OP low levels shouldn't be allowed to random queue for dungeons everyone doesnt have guild mates on all the time that want to do dungeons so we shouldn't be punished plus the games been out a 2 years if you don't know how to play by now you probably never will.

VinyParsley2016

I support this suggestion

Skinzz

I have 10 max level characters. I never ran a single dungeon until each character reached level 50. I would rather run a dungeon when I have the proper abilities and passives and it just makes things easier for everyone.

Bowdowntogreatness

I really like the idea of being able to group with anyone of any lvl. Especially when the dungeons are scaled to fits everyone's lvl. A lot of higher lvls like to manipulate the dungeons and tell everyone else what and how to play. Instead of just enjoying the dungeons and a chance to socially connect with people around the world.

Skcarkden

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Hi guys, we've removed some posts from this thread. We welcome debate on the forums, and it is perfectly acceptable to disagree with people, but in both cases please make sure you keep your posts civil and constructive. We've removed several posts for being baiting or inflammatory.

A number of people have reported this thread for naming and shaming. It's acceptable to have screenshots of people in-game with their names as long as you aren't attacking those people, or showing them in a bad light. In this situation, the OP was simply demonstrating that these people were low-level. That isn't a problem, but given the overall negative context we have removed the picture.

So... is this to say, if enough people report someone even though they didn't break a rule, if enough people report you'll 'discipline' them anyway?

Stovahkiin

This is what I read now after seeing so many of these damn threads:

"Waah! I'm not smart enough to queue with guildies or friends and so I'm going to take out my childish anger on the whole community, wah!!"

NewBlacksmurf

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Please developers! Fix the match making system so it doesn't happen again!

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You could just run veteran (CP) dungeons or manual groups

SquareSausage

Stovahkiin wrote: »

This is what I read now after seeing so many of these damn threads:

"Waah! I'm not smart enough to queue with guildies or friends and so I'm going to take out my childish anger on the whole community, wah!!"

Surely, you must be aware, that even being in 5 guilds, you will more often than not want to do a specific dungeon and no-one else will want to do it as they have something they are wanting to do themselves.

Groupfinder is for those people.

There should be a much smarter labelling of dungeons. Even with that, the main problem is that there is a gap between people's wishes in how a dungeon will be completed, that is confounded with a lack of knowledge and trash builds as there is also a lack on by zenimax and the player themselves to educate either via the game or via online resources.

AlwaysOnFire

ESO has so much content. Instead of being crappy about not getting the experience in one single content area we want immediately, maybe do something else until conditions are more favorable and you can group with people your picky heart desires?

Dracane

We go against them without mercy. Once we have entered the dungeon, we vote to kick everything under 350 cp and continue to do so, until we have a decent member.

This search engine really shouldn't force high level players to play with low levels. These scrubs can play together with other scrubs.