Low levels should not be allowed to partcipate in random dungeons.

raidentenshu_ESO

Please developers! Fix the match making system so it doesn't happen again!

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AzraelKrieg

A better system would be to pair higher levels with people around the same stage. But that won't happen. Take this as a chance to teach them how to do the dungeon instead of complaining they could be newbies.

AmberLaTerra

No, you can't cut most of the community of of playing content just because they are low level or new to the game. You as bad as those who want to blacklist people who are still learning mechanics.

flubber77

And who are u???they seems to match each other good, u are the one that dont fit in with them.... JOKER!!!!

TheDarkoil

Lol that level 13 is a tank/healer/dps animal.

cinnabubbles

Weird. i had a group yesterday that was relatively all close to my level.

And if you didn't like the group....there's that handy X button to wait for another one.

kungmoo

careful there.... some people could say the same to you since you aren't capped on CP

Viust

109 champion points? Do you know that you are low_level too?

Luigi_Vampa

Low CP players shouldn't be allowed to participate in random veteran dungeons. You would be okay with that, right OP?

raidentenshu_ESO

cinnabubbles wrote: »

Weird. i had a group yesterday that was relatively all close to my level.

And if you didn't like the group....there's that handy X button to wait for another one.

When you do that while the mission is in progress you must wait an additional 5 to 14 mins to request another random dungeon.

altemriel

were they not battle leveled?

AlnilamE

Low levels can only "random" or queue for level-appropriate dungeons.

Fungal Grotto is a Tier 1 dungeon (that's where you are). Level 10 can queue for that.

I've run Fungal with 3 players level 14-17 and it was ok. I had to pay more attention, but that was all.

So yeah, you're not going to find a level 15 in Vaults of Madness, but FG, SC and BC *are* low level dungeons and those guys have just as much right to queue for it as you do.

You want your bonus XP? Work for it!

Tryxus

Isn't this naming & shaming?

Naming the low levels on the pic, and shaming them for being low level

juhasman

As long everyone is battle leveled there is no huge problem.

Dorrow

Yeah, make it, I want to be in group with 501+ only, not 100 cp casuals.

raidentenshu_ESO

Typhoios wrote: »

Low CP players shouldn't be allowed to participate in random veteran dungeons. You would be okay with that, right OP?

I actually agree with that. It can save a lot of gold of armor repairs and a lot of frustration. I don't even bother doing random veteran dungeons until I reach at least CP 300

I don't want to become a burden to the other players with my low rank.

Toxie50

Actually those lvl 10-13 can in fact have way more CP then you
And if so, way more experienced.. So dont judge lowbies ^^

boggie

The problem isn't that low levels can que up for random dungeons. The problem is that the scaling is very badly implemented. Dungeons should not be exclusive to level capped characters for many reasons (including needing completions to unlock undaunted skills, and the boost an extra skill point or two can have on a lower level character), but at the same time, the character is missing critical skills/passives needed to complete the content easily at the higher level (regardless of how their stats are boosted). Now, the key word here is "easily". It is possible to complete any of the normal mode dungeons you could random in to with a party of nothing but level 10 characters, provided the players know what they are doing (I've done it. I've even completed normal Maw of Lorkaj with a group made up of nothing but level 10's. It was actually quite fun). However, many level 50's don't have the patience to take their time in a run, and just want to rush through as fast as possible, collect their reward, and go on with their day.

Possibly the best fix would be to split the ques- have pre-50 and post-50 characters que up in different player pools. This would also allow them to adjust how the scaling was done between the two, so that the stats of the low level players don't get too crazy.

I do feel the need to point out, though, that the 3 other members of your party aren't the only ones being scaled up. You were also being "battle leveled" to a higher cp rank than you actually have.

phaneub17_ESO

There's a way around this, go to Veteran dungeons and you never have to see anyone below level 50 again. Problem solved!

khele23eb17_ESO

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Please developers! Fix the match making system so it doesn't happen again!

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Do you know how up-scaling works? Unless youre rocking BiS gear including vMA weapons, the stats on tlose lev 10-13s are higher than yours while in the dungeon. Its the lev50 characters with low CP who most often drag groups down as they havent the gear, the CPs or the benefit of scaling to be effective.

Lady_Rosabella

Tryxus wrote: »

Isn't this naming & shaming?

Naming the low levels on the pic, and shaming them for being low level

Agreed!!

altemriel

if you do not like battle leveling (which was a system designed for that - so that low level players can play with high level players), then do not use the LFG tool!

juhasman

Lady_Guinevere wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Isn't this naming & shaming?

Naming the low levels on the pic, and shaming them for being low level

Agreed!!

PERMA BAN

raidentenshu_ESO

Tryxus wrote: »

Isn't this naming & shaming?

Naming the low levels on the pic, and shaming them for being low level

Uh no. That was not my intentions at all. Please send me a screenshot or quote me deliberately shaming the low levels. I'm simply pointing out the flaws in the match making system for random dungeons.

Cheerrymate

Not sure about anyone else but I enjoy running with low levels. I couldn't kill the adds when I first started, who knew resto/bow with all points in health wasn't the way forward as a dps? Chance to teach them a thing or 2! Plus, I've been in dungeons lecelling up and for the skill point, just because they're level X doesn't mean they don't have 501cp!

GreenhaloX

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Low CP players shouldn't be allowed to participate in random veteran dungeons. You would be okay with that, right OP?

I actually agree with that. It can save a lot of gold of armor repairs and a lot of frustration. I don't even bother doing random veteran dungeons until I reach at least CP 300

I don't want to become a burden to the other players with my low rank.

Holy cow.. vet dungeons are no joke. I'll head there when I'm at least in the mid-400 or higher.

As far as low level.. doesn't in random dungeon the difficulty level matches the leader of the group? I thought, according to many posts, that it does. So, if let's say, you're CP in the 300, and the leader is just lvl 30, then that non-vet dungeon would be at lvl 30.. yeah?

Schemering

I dont see why one could not do a normal dung on a vet char with some level 20s; They can be done alone ofc but its a nice way of meeting other people and potential new friends. I did normal prison yesterday with a level 21 nb dd that tanked the whole dung and a healer that was added by tool (the tool-added official tank left the party when we told him that if he wanted to tank the first boss he would need to put a taunt on his bar)

I already knew the nb but now the healer is also in our guild; it was a challenge to do the split phase of lord warden dusk fight with the 3 of us but it was so much fun. If the tank would have been vet and geared and have all skills available it would have been too easy

mike_de

boggie wrote: »

The problem isn't that low levels can que up for random dungeons. The problem is that the scaling is very badly implemented. Dungeons should not be exclusive to level capped characters for many reasons (including needing completions to unlock undaunted skills, and the boost an extra skill point or two can have on a lower level character), but at the same time, the character is missing critical skills/passives needed to complete the content easily at the higher level (regardless of how their stats are boosted). Now, the key word here is "easily". It is possible to complete any of the normal mode dungeons you could random in to with a party of nothing but level 10 characters, provided the players know what they are doing (I've done it. I've even completed normal Maw of Lorkaj with a group made up of nothing but level 10's. It was actually quite fun). However, many level 50's don't have the patience to take their time in a run, and just want to rush through as fast as possible, collect their reward, and go on with their day.

Possibly the best fix would be to split the ques- have pre-50 and post-50 characters que up in different player pools. This would also allow them to adjust how the scaling was done between the two, so that the stats of the low level players don't get too crazy.

I do feel the need to point out, though, that the 3 other members of your party aren't the only ones being scaled up. You were also being "battle leveled" to a higher cp rank than you actually have.

+1.

I think the same would work in the planned "One and only Tamriel". Because there will be problems with the char level scaling. I've seen that, as low level char in the Osirium DLC. It's not very fun, if you have to beat 10-20 times on these HP sponges, to wear them down. While a full equiped high CP char runs by, making a roadkill out of them.

They forgot to battle level the skills, that are very important for a "real" leveling. They should have at least two enemy types, one for under level 50, and one for over level 50. It will not work without level scaling the enemies for battle, too.

IwakuraLain42

As had been mentioned before this is a Tier 1 Normal dungeon so the Activity Finder worked fine for a change. Unfortunately it will also drop low level chars into higher Tiers when searching for a random dungeon. That needs to be fixed (use the lowest common denominator of all members in the group)

failkiwib16_ESO

Honestly, just group manually and don't use the grouping tool.

Also Socialize a little, get many friends and join guilds ....do dungeons with your guildies and friends. It's much better than joining randoms.

Sleep

I rather group with low levels than 501+