Cheating and Exploits

rfennell_ESO

Malamar1229 wrote: »

I also play on both platforms and there's a substantial difference in the "quality" or "skill" in players between both platforms. That is, if you can stay connected in Cyrodiil more than 10 minutes on the Xbox! I've said that multi times though.

I do think the lag contributing to what looks like 1 shots happens more on PC than XB. But the the Stam guys who seemingly dodge every attack are not as prevalent on the XB....

Yeah the dodges haven't stopped, even with a nerf to major evasion and the shuffle change...

The real key to understanding what is likely being exploited is noticing what seems off. The dodging always seems off, particularly people that dodge repetitive attacks without doing anything...

The other thing is that some particular builds just augmenting their weaknesses with phantom regen. In one particular thread I pointed out that the regen tick was over 2k on a streamers video PLUS other constant stamina regens on top of it. To that I got a calculation adding all possible regen sources to show "it's possible". Thing is, it's not. The actual 2 second tick was far higher than it should be... the other sources were ticking at different intervals.

Lokov

This is useless only cuz u dont allow say the names of cheaters, exploit and bug users.
activity imitation

Tan9oSuccka

Malamar1229 wrote: »

I also play on both platforms and there's a substantial difference in the "quality" or "skill" in players between both platforms. That is, if you can stay connected in Cyrodiil more than 10 minutes on the Xbox! I've said that multi times though.

I do think the lag contributing to what looks like 1 shots happens more on PC than XB. But the the Stam guys who seemingly dodge every attack are not as prevalent on the XB....

I’ve seen this crap several times on PS4. No roll dodge, not blocking....I guess the person dodging 8 attacks in a row is completely normal.

I wish my shuffle worked like that.

Malamar1229

Stupid question from a stupid player...is it possible to develop an add-on that can detect what another player is running as far as addons/cheat engine goes?

mmogamerperson

I don't think so. All info you have about another player comes from the server, not their client.

LapisLazuli99

So on Xbox One NA server in the Shattered Grove/ Silent village area in Auridon "with all the passive bears and wolves" I found and uncountable number of players all with the same gamertag ending with slightly altered numbers 1 to 300 ish? all identical high elves standing still holding down heavy while their few hundred pet clannfears killed all mobs in the area so quickly no players could complete the areas quest. I've hardly seen so many players in the capital cities never mind AFK in the woods.

EvilAutoTech

There have been similar, though smaller, groups in Betnikh. I have seen them several different times during the festival making it hard to find wolves for the quest.

Edit: Xbox one na

darjobuno

I have found a build that works great against the Zergs and Cheats. For now I am reserving the build's base only for my close personal friends. Basically the build deals 70k damage in 3 shots or less from a distance that is beyond the roll cheat ability to detect. It is so lovely to knock down the DK health gods before they know what hits them.

Zaldan

ticket 171223-001199



single player using dk and sorc class skills, I was playing on templer so not my skills being reflected

Sharee

Zaldan wrote: »

ticket 171223-001199



single player using dk and sorc class skills, I was playing on templer so not my skills being reflected

Do you have a video? Because it seems strange a sorc would cheat to hit you with a petrify when he could just as well use legit rune cage that does almost the same thing.

Maybe its just the log addon reporting a rune cage as a petrify? (remember rune cage got recently changed to behave like a hard stun, maybe the addon did not update that yet).

Zaldan

nope no vid and only noticed after it happened

Malamar1229

That's a UI issue with the addon.....even with cheating that isn't even possible

SirAndy

Malamar1229 wrote: »

even with cheating that isn't even possible

And you know that how exactly?

A decent memory hack should be able to fire off skills that aren't part of your class by simply injecting the desired skill id ...

Voxicity

Just wondering,

Am I allowed to talk about the fact that roughly 12 players were reported for using a terrain exploit in PvP which lets them get behind an invisible kill wall, lure enemy players in and watch them instantly die, but they are still playing this game? (with a video from their perspective showing how to perform the exploit and posting it online, i should add)

Or would it be against ToS for me to talk about that?

Thanks so much in advance Zenimax Online Studios. Very glad you are taking exploiting seriously in all aspects of the game. :^}

ManwithBeard9

Voxicity wrote: »

Just wondering,

Am I allowed to talk about the fact that roughly 12 players were reported for using a terrain exploit in PvP which lets them get behind an invisible kill wall, lure enemy players in and watch them instantly die, but they are still playing this game? (with a video from their perspective showing how to perform the exploit and posting it online, i should add)

Or would it be against ToS for me to talk about that?

Thanks so much in advance Zenimax Online Studios. Very glad you are taking exploiting seriously in all aspects of the game. :^}

Explaining how to perform the exploit, punishable. Just talking about the existence of it, frowned upon. If you have the links, video, screenshots, then forward them to @ZOS_GinaBruno and or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Dragath

Zaldan wrote: »

ticket 171223-001199



single player using dk and sorc class skills, I was playing on templer so not my skills being reflected

its a bug in eso, the mage skill shows up as petrify. you can check that for yourself. just take a friendly mage, let him use the skill and kill you. rune prison will show up as petrify in your death recap.

OdinForge

SirAndy wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

even with cheating that isn't even possible

And you know that how exactly?

A decent memory hack should be able to fire off skills that aren't part of your class by simply injecting the desired skill id ...

It's ironic that you're in here trying to act like this is some product of hacking, meanwhile it's just a simple display bug. Where Sorc rune prison is displaying as petrify in logs.

altemriel

maybe it would be nice if the OP would add also "hacked accounts" to the topic of this tread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385986/hacked-accounts-updated-info-about-issue-data-collection-kind-request-for-zos-to-fix-this/p1?new=1

ZOS_AlanG

StackonClown

Coming up to 1.5 year anniversary of this thread.

@ZOS_AlanG - for the sake of context, can you please open a new thread?

Its too hard to page through *90* pages of comments - some of these things are somewhat irrelevent due to the number of changes in the 19 month life of this thread.

Thanks!

f047ys3v3n

OdinForge wrote: »

It's ironic that you're in here trying to act like this is some product of hacking, meanwhile it's just a simple display bug. Where Sorc rune prison is displaying as petrify in logs.

Perhaps that one is a display bug but I have been in a variety of situations where there was no display bug and players of one class were clearly using other classes abilities. Animation, effects, everything. The most often I have encountered is actually players sneaking defensive skills from other classes on their bar as these will not show up on anyone's death recap and make reporting to ZOS easy for those who do not record their play. NB's, who have no burst heal, slotting breath has been a common example of this.

To me the cross/class ability use of cheat engine, though far less common than simple stat juicing (I only see it once ever few weeks instead of 5+ times a night where I am totally sure and another Hermaeus knows how often where I don't notice) is more of a symptom of ZOS utter lack of any meaningful policing of cheat engine than anything else. It is so outrageous, obvious, and would be so easy to catch if they had any interest.

Far more often what I encounter is players with impossible combinations of resistance, resources, and damage. Movement speed hacking also seems common (one player caught and insta-killed are tanky flag carrrer 3 times on one run when no other player in his alliance even managed to reach the carrier through our defense and fast movement even once. Lastly, many have mentioned the now everyday occurrence of players with impossibly high dodge chance. All of these cheat engine uses are so common on PCNA for it to be surprising to go an hour of play without encountering a particularly egregious example. These examples are most often pretty high ranking players putting the lie to the idea that sooner or later you will be caught. I would say that these players also usually run solo or in small groups but really how would you pick one out of a larger group. It is only when 5x experienced DD's are wailing on a guy who not only shows resistance but also a lot of damage, sustain, dodge chance, and movement speed, that it becomes so clearly obvious he is cheating.

The denials and defenses of cheaters are equally common. My build is just great. You are a scrub. How could I possibly be cheating so much you can tell without ZOS catching me (my favorite denial.) Bla, Bla, Bla. I'm not an idiot. I can see the limitations of gear, build, and such. You cannot be all things at one time without cheating because tankieness, power, resources, and evasiveness all require sacrifices of each other to achieve.

SirAndy

OdinForge wrote: »

It's ironic that you're in here trying to act like this is some product of hacking, meanwhile it's just a simple display bug.

It would be ironic if what i said wasn't possible, but alas ...

ClockworkCityBugs

is this an exploit?
pvp on low level character, where you can get Reward for worthy like per 4-5 k AP, normally its per 20k AP for high level characters
and then open 1 mail per character to got Golden Geodes with transmute crystals?

Sharee

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

is this an exploit?
pvp on low level character, where you can get Reward for worthy like per 4-5 k AP, normally its per 20k AP for high level characters
and then open 1 mail per character to got Golden Geodes with transmute crystals?

If low level characters need fewer AP to get a reward bag, it is most likely because the devs calculated how much more easily a max level character gets AP compared to a low-level, and adjusted the cost for low-level characters so that both characters get reward bags at roughly the same rate.

So no, it is not an exploit.

ClockworkCityBugs

Sharee wrote: »

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

is this an exploit?
pvp on low level character, where you can get Reward for worthy like per 4-5 k AP, normally its per 20k AP for high level characters
and then open 1 mail per character to got Golden Geodes with transmute crystals?

If low level characters need fewer AP to get a reward bag, it is most likely because the devs calculated how much more easily a max level character gets AP compared to a low-level, and adjusted the cost for low-level characters so that both characters get reward bags at roughly the same rate.

So no, it is not an exploit.

but if you open a mail on high level hero, you bypass 20k ap per mail limit and getting geode for 5k ap, earner on low level hero

Sharee

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

is this an exploit?
pvp on low level character, where you can get Reward for worthy like per 4-5 k AP, normally its per 20k AP for high level characters
and then open 1 mail per character to got Golden Geodes with transmute crystals?

If low level characters need fewer AP to get a reward bag, it is most likely because the devs calculated how much more easily a max level character gets AP compared to a low-level, and adjusted the cost for low-level characters so that both characters get reward bags at roughly the same rate.

So no, it is not an exploit.

but if you open a mail on high level hero, you bypass 20k ap per mail limit and getting geode for 5k ap, earner on low level hero

Let me try an example(the numbers are not accurate of course, i'm just trying to explain the idea behind it).

Low level needs 5K ap to get a bag. He takes one hour to get that amount, because he has hard time getting AP at low level.
High level needs 20K ap to get a bag. He takes one hour to get it, because he earns 4x more AP than the low level.

That is what the devs intended when designing who needs how much AP for a bag. Time-to-get-bag to be roughly equal for all levels.

With the above in mind, once a bag is earned, it does not matter who opens it anymore. You are not bypassing any limits, because the limit is not the AP, but the time spent earning it.

ClockworkCityBugs

@Sharee
you never try to pvp on low level hero dont you?
im getting 5 maild in 30 min
while on high level only 1
time always same if you in good group

defticks and offticks is same amount

Sharee

ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »

@Sharee
you never try to pvp on low level hero dont you?
im getting 5 maild in 30 min
while on high level only 1
time always same if you in good group

defticks and offticks is same amount

Remember that the system is not balanced for you.
It is balanced around the average low-level player who is happy if he survives a ride between keeps, and most likely isn't getting 5 mails in 30 mins.

boombazookajd

Saw my second cheater today...The first time I came across one, it was in Vvardenfell. This guy was camped out behind some boxes next to a tent. I was a brand new player so I thought he was stuck... Nope. He had his right trigger held down shooting arrows at the bad guys, drawing their aggro and causing them to run toward him, only to be stopped by the crates and then killed (slowly) by his flying pet.

Today was my second. It was the southwestern dolmen in Alik'r of all places. They hid behind a rock towards the back of the dolmen, the trigger was held down shooting a staff heavy attack at the spawn point of the final boss. I reported them and took a video.

If we are all grinding the proper way, he/she can too dang it. They lasted an entire dolmen but eventually they were nuked by a few red areas and they died. He never rez'd either. After running a dungeon I came back and he was gone.

Elsonso

boombazookajd wrote: »

Today was my second. It was the southwestern dolmen in Alik'r of all places. They hid behind a rock towards the back of the dolmen, the trigger was held down shooting a staff heavy attack at the spawn point of the final boss. I reported them and took a video.

I haven't seen the rubber banders around dolmens for a while (PC/NA). Hopefully, this is not making a comeback.

boombazookajd

lordrichter wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

Today was my second. It was the southwestern dolmen in Alik'r of all places. They hid behind a rock towards the back of the dolmen, the trigger was held down shooting a staff heavy attack at the spawn point of the final boss. I reported them and took a video.

I haven't seen the rubber banders around dolmens for a while (PC/NA). Hopefully, this is not making a comeback.

I was shocked at the audacity! I mean, it could only work at dolmens that are as populated as Alik'r. It seemed to be a fruitless endeavor as he died after the second drop, a red circle spawned under him and I literally watched him perish (oddly, it was quite satisfying.. )

At first I was thought it was rather clever but if the hundred or so folks at the dolmen can randomly shoot arrows in every direction until things are dead, then so can he. The dolmens are so packed the last thing we need are xp campers at them.