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Cheating and Exploits
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Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭If SirAndy simply saw my point and said "Fair enough, I didn't test to see if other people actually register me at 42 million HP or if it's just my client", this conversation would have ended a long time ago under the basis that more testing is needed to conclude.
You want proof of cheating, but you don't want proof of cheating. What kind of logic is that?
So the short answer to my question is "no" then.
...Hypothetically speaking, lets say there actually was video someone else recorded of me showing my health go from the base amount to some higher amount and finally to 42 million and suppose i showed you several screenshots from that video with the other players identity blacked out, would that be enough to change your mind?
And since this was a hypothetical question, we can all move on now. I for one am done posting in this thread for a while ...
Well if you're unwilling to provide simple definitive proof to substantiate your claim, I guess it wasn't a claim worth making.
His claim has more substance than yours since it is backed up with physical evidence (screenshot) and he said it's tried and found not to only be a UI number.
Your counterclaims are just words like "common knowledge" and "widely known" and "virtually same". Your arguments aren't even thin air since air has substance. Your arguments are vacuum.
/discussion
As I explained earlier it's not my obligation to prove his point wrong, since he made the original claim and I pointed out why it's not accurate. If he had any interest is proving that his original claim was right, he'd have substantiated it.
Otherwise his picture might as well be as good as something cooked up in photo-shop. Feel free to believe what you want.
As long as you claim something else than he is claiming it is on you to prove him wrong and your claim right. He's Not obliged to do anything just because you have another opinion, which you can't or won't prove no less.
You don't hear "it's commonly known that frogs can swim" in disputations. The counter argument is backed up with i.e. "As concluded in Dr. Einrich von Ecklebeck's report Green Purple Legged Frogs and Water - Can They Truly Swim? (A research of the Green Purple Legged Frog), Das Inztituten, Vienna, 1842 and I quote "after inspecting 1000 green purple legged frogs for 90 days, it is concluded that all Green Purple Legged Frogs can swim", thus Graduate Hian Majty's claim that frogs can only swim as tadpole is errant."
*crowd murmurs*
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Midori_Oku✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
With the recent bans for the Asylum Sanctorium exploit, would it be against the ToS to open up rewards of the worthy for transmutation crystals on different characters (even though you earned them all on one) be something we shouldn't do? I know a lot of people are doing it, but I want to check if it's actually an issue since I've not personally seen a response about it. I'm sure it's something that will be fixed in the future regardless of yes or no response.Midori Oku - Female High Elf - Magicka Sorcerer
Allesse Nightvale - Female Wood Elf - Stamina Dragonknight
Raelette Velaoche - Female Breton - Magicka Templar2 -
Voltranox✭✭✭Too often discussions like this devolve into ego arguments, that miss the point.
Like a room of puffed-up professors arguing about who knows more about fire-fighting!...while the place burns down around them.
I'd like to learn more about what the current capabilities of hackers are, and what ZOS's capabilities are in regards to combating them. Facts or even informed speculation would be good enough. It would be great if the company supplying the product could make a statement of course, but they have unwisely chosen aloof silence.
Each month my subscription dollars are invested into this game, and I'd like insights, so I can decide whether to yank my credit card out of this machine!3 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If SirAndy simply saw my point and said "Fair enough, I didn't test to see if other people actually register me at 42 million HP or if it's just my client", this conversation would have ended a long time ago under the basis that more testing is needed to conclude.
You want proof of cheating, but you don't want proof of cheating. What kind of logic is that?
So the short answer to my question is "no" then.
...Hypothetically speaking, lets say there actually was video someone else recorded of me showing my health go from the base amount to some higher amount and finally to 42 million and suppose i showed you several screenshots from that video with the other players identity blacked out, would that be enough to change your mind?
And since this was a hypothetical question, we can all move on now. I for one am done posting in this thread for a while ...
Well if you're unwilling to provide simple definitive proof to substantiate your claim, I guess it wasn't a claim worth making.
His claim has more substance than yours since it is backed up with physical evidence (screenshot) and he said it's tried and found not to only be a UI number.
Your counterclaims are just words like "common knowledge" and "widely known" and "virtually same". Your arguments aren't even thin air since air has substance. Your arguments are vacuum.
/discussion
As I explained earlier it's not my obligation to prove his point wrong, since he made the original claim and I pointed out why it's not accurate. If he had any interest is proving that his original claim was right, he'd have substantiated it.
Otherwise his picture might as well be as good as something cooked up in photo-shop. Feel free to believe what you want.
As long as you claim something else than he is claiming it is on you to prove him wrong and your claim right. He's Not obliged to do anything just because you have another opinion, which you can't or won't prove no less.
You don't hear "it's commonly known that frogs can swim" in disputations. The counter argument is backed up with i.e. "As concluded in Dr. Einrich von Ecklebeck's report Green Purple Legged Frogs and Water - Can They Truly Swim? (A research of the Green Purple Legged Frog), Das Inztituten, Vienna, 1842 and I quote "after inspecting 1000 green purple legged frogs for 90 days, it is concluded that all Green Purple Legged Frogs can swim", thus Graduate Hian Majty's claim that frogs can only swim as tadpole is errant."
*crowd murmurs*
You're literally so far off the topic, it's not feasible to return you to earth. For some reason you're angry that I had the balls to speak out about something that is incorrect. If Andy's goal was to simply bring his half truth point to the devs attention, he would have been fine at simply sending them the same message.
Instead he came here to the forums to bring it to the attention of the user-base. Any sane person would want to ensure that your claim is vetted and thorough, but apparently people like you are all for believing what you see at first glance.
I have no problem doing the forum fisti-cuffs with you over your insistence that..
He didn't use a hacking tool to test his initial claim, even though he did and admitted it.
That I'm responsible for proving his claim wrong.
Or that it's okay to believe whatever people post on the internet, and try to flame someone who questions it.
Whatever your agenda is.
The Age of Wrobel.3 -
makreth✭✭✭✭✭Midori_Oku wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
With the recent bans for the Asylum Sanctorium exploit, would it be against the ToS to open up rewards of the worthy for transmutation crystals on different characters (even though you earned them all on one) be something we shouldn't do? I know a lot of people are doing it, but I want to check if it's actually an issue since I've not personally seen a response about it. I'm sure it's something that will be fixed in the future regardless of yes or no response.
It's definitely a "Take advantage of it" situation since this does not happen on a single character and it doesn't make sense to receive the yellow container with each reward. Everyone I know is using it and I doubt actions will be taken against. Even PvE only players crossed the borders of Cyrodiil for this sole purpose. See what people do for the "free loot"....even be a part of something they don't enjoy . Edited by makreth on November 15, 2017 2:19PM0 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭Midori_Oku wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
With the recent bans for the Asylum Sanctorium exploit, would it be against the ToS to open up rewards of the worthy for transmutation crystals on different characters (even though you earned them all on one) be something we shouldn't do? I know a lot of people are doing it, but I want to check if it's actually an issue since I've not personally seen a response about it. I'm sure it's something that will be fixed in the future regardless of yes or no response.
You expect, ZOS to comment in this topic, the black hole for Cheating and exploiting?.
LOL good one.2 -
Midori_Oku✭✭✭Midori_Oku wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
With the recent bans for the Asylum Sanctorium exploit, would it be against the ToS to open up rewards of the worthy for transmutation crystals on different characters (even though you earned them all on one) be something we shouldn't do? I know a lot of people are doing it, but I want to check if it's actually an issue since I've not personally seen a response about it. I'm sure it's something that will be fixed in the future regardless of yes or no response.
You expect, ZOS to comment in this topic, the black hole for Cheating and exploiting?.
LOL good one.
I don't expect anything.Midori Oku - Female High Elf - Magicka Sorcerer
Allesse Nightvale - Female Wood Elf - Stamina Dragonknight
Raelette Velaoche - Female Breton - Magicka Templar0 -
Megatto✭✭✭✭✭I have once again run into a group of bots just farming. I have reported it. Friends have reported it, yet the bots are still roaming free...
There was a time this game had Gamemaster who would come and ban the bots but where are they now? We need this active staff to ban cheaters like this
https://i.gyazo.com/5610d1c8c172999f5310d186726ed610.jpg
These bots were spotted in Glister Vale, in Auridon on the EU megaserver
Please Zenimax hire some people to take care of themEdited by Megatto on November 16, 2017 2:09PMRemove loot boxes or riot1 -
Voltranox✭✭✭PvP is sucking on a truly epic scale again, both Kyne and Vivec.
Players that take almost no damage from multiple attackers, and easily one-shot everyone.
I have seen waves of players attack them, and all are easily wiped out. Ridiculous and pointless.
If this game is not hacked sideways, it is badly broken anyway.
What is the difference how it's happening; cheating or bad design.
When it ceases to be competitive and fun, there literally is no point in experiencing it as a hobby.4 -
Katinas✭✭✭✭Server: PC EU.
Location: Grahtwood, Haven, coastline near Volunidai's Manor.
Time: Now, since forever.
A train of bots are running around in circles killing mudcrabs and crocodiles.
This has been happening for many months. Sent bug reports several times.
Please go and purge them.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Server: PC EU.
Location: Grahtwood, Haven, coastline near Volunidai's Manor.
Time: Now, since forever.
A train of bots are running around in circles killing mudcrabs and crocodiles.
This has been happening for many months. Sent bug reports several times.
Please go and purge them.
ZOS lets bots hang around for a while, but not as long as that. Chances are they have been purged and new bots have been introduced. A lot of people don't pay attention to who the bots are, they just see bots, so they don't notice that the names change.0 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I still think so many of these issues could just be very good players using the mechanics to the fullest vs cheats.
The problem that exposing cheat engine caused is that now everything which can't be explained at a glance is given the label of "cheat" then when those players are reported but found to not be cheating, they don't get a ban and everyone says ZOS does nothing.
As for bot reports, when you report them always take down ticket numbers and either PM them to some ZOS staff or make a thread with the ticket numbers and hopefully they get noticed.
It's a fair point.
I'll just add that people were insinuating or cryptically mentioning things related to CE before CE came to the light.
People are still doing that, and there are players that I see nearly every day that obviously have some sort of on/off for whatever it is. Were talking players whose "skill" seems to massively improve at times so that 10 players chasing them can't kill them versus times where their "skill" makes them 1v1 easy mode. This disparity is very suspicious, I'm sure it can be explained away... it always is.
Ultimately it's likely a mix of some people flat out exploiting and some people just using the most broken things they can (resto staff ulti, 1hs ulti w/ ulti generation gear). The question to ask is: Is building to "take advantage" of the most broken things in game exploiting or just akin to exploiting. Stuff like... recognizing the broken nature of charges and the tendency to create "macro slice" scenarios and then building entirely around exploiting that issue; is that exploiting?
People regularly are hitting other players with melee abilities from out of range when they use charges and break animations with macro slice. Executioner/Reverse slice has a range of 5m, the sheer amount of them I see landing WAY beyond that range is just laughable. It's become a play style...
After CE it became logically unreasonable to give people the benefit of the doubt. Post CE and it's "fix" by ZOS I have personally witnessed some really odd things. Like people with resting health regen so high that they heal to full faster than you can damage them.... people with such small stealth detection radius you have to literally be right on top of them (that are wearing heavy armor)... Constant Charge barrages that hit you at range and then apply all the damage abilities used on arrival through dodge rolls and while out of range. "Perma" block builds that move faster than major expedition. Players that seem to have the ability to not be targeted with melee abilities. That and you have a plethora of high damage, take little to no damage and never run out of resources "builds".
Many a player that was laudedIf SirAndy simply saw my point and said "Fair enough, I didn't test to see if other people actually register me at 42 million HP or if it's just my client", this conversation would have ended a long time ago under the basis that more testing is needed to conclude.
You want proof of cheating, but you don't want proof of cheating. What kind of logic is that?
So the short answer to my question is "no" then.
...Hypothetically speaking, lets say there actually was video someone else recorded of me showing my health go from the base amount to some higher amount and finally to 42 million and suppose i showed you several screenshots from that video with the other players identity blacked out, would that be enough to change your mind?
And since this was a hypothetical question, we can all move on now. I for one am done posting in this thread for a while ...
Well if you're unwilling to provide simple definitive proof to substantiate your claim, I guess it wasn't a claim worth making.
His claim has more substance than yours since it is backed up with physical evidence (screenshot) and he said it's tried and found not to only be a UI number.
Your counterclaims are just words like "common knowledge" and "widely known" and "virtually same". Your arguments aren't even thin air since air has substance. Your arguments are vacuum.
/discussion
As I explained earlier it's not my obligation to prove his point wrong, since he made the original claim and I pointed out why it's not accurate. If he had any interest is proving that his original claim was right, he'd have substantiated it.
Otherwise his picture might as well be as good as something cooked up in photo-shop. Feel free to believe what you want.
As long as you claim something else than he is claiming it is on you to prove him wrong and your claim right. He's Not obliged to do anything just because you have another opinion, which you can't or won't prove no less.
You don't hear "it's commonly known that frogs can swim" in disputations. The counter argument is backed up with i.e. "As concluded in Dr. Einrich von Ecklebeck's report Green Purple Legged Frogs and Water - Can They Truly Swim? (A research of the Green Purple Legged Frog), Das Inztituten, Vienna, 1842 and I quote "after inspecting 1000 green purple legged frogs for 90 days, it is concluded that all Green Purple Legged Frogs can swim", thus Graduate Hian Majty's claim that frogs can only swim as tadpole is errant."
*crowd murmurs*
Whatever your agenda is.
It would be interesting to find out what yours is.
Someone pmed me that a certain something happened to a certain someone on a certain stream.
I certainly don't know what it was.
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
But i already told you several times that i did test it. And that it does work.If SirAndy simply saw my point and said "Fair enough, I didn't test to see if other people actually register me at 42 million HP or if it's just my client", this conversation would have ended a long time ago under the basis that more testing is needed to conclude.
It's not just on my client. It works. Others can see it.
And yet here we are again with you ignoring what has already been said (multiple times) ...
You seem to think that you saying "Others can see it" is sufficient as proof. That might be enough for the typical ESO goons to buy into, but I won't unless you prove that others can see it. Such as you one shotting players with 42 million stamina, where we can clearly see your damage output to other players.
Now everyone will respond and say "Ohh wahh, why do you want him to prove that and get in trouble, hurr he totally didn't already modify his game anyway".
And the cycle repeats.
Your problem seems to be that he needed to prove it to you in order to seek validation as if you are the authorities of which we check in for facts . Knowing SirAndy to be one that doesn't need validity from strangers he probably contacted the proper channels to report the issue or is waiting for the proper people to respond . Not you .
Seeing as SirAndy seems to believe that a memory scanning debugger isn't the same thing as CE, his online ESO credentials have no bearing on this topic. My problem is that SirAndy refuses to understand why his picture alone cannot be taken as truth.
We're supposed to take his word that "Others can see his inflated health" and not question how valid his test results are, when they are very likely incorrect. This might work in the world of corrupt politics and for you and the rest of the ESO forum community that will cheaply buy into whatever you see, but not for me.
You are proposing that we all shut our eyes and believe SirAndy's questionable testing for face value. And you are angry because I spoke out against it, pointing out that his results are likely not as accurate as he believes. You are angry that I pointed out how he can validate these results, and the idea that you bought into it and may also be wrong bothers you.
I on the other hand have nothing to gain or lose by being wrong or right. Assuming I'm wrong and you can memory hack your attributes beyond just your client, we then have to question how accurate the flag system is by ZOS at catching this and issuing bans.
But even if I'm right (which I likely am) it doesn't seem like anyone here cares to know the truth. Everyone would just rather sit back and blame ZOS for rampant cheating, because they go into Cyrodiil with bad builds or no impen and die. And supporting this bold and unsubstantiated claim is useful.
Murica.
This kid is just not a learner...
Or
He is actually a brilliant cheater trying desperately to protect his advantage...
(In Floki's voice from Vikings) I wish I could know for sure which.2 -
OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »I still think so many of these issues could just be very good players using the mechanics to the fullest vs cheats.
The problem that exposing cheat engine caused is that now everything which can't be explained at a glance is given the label of "cheat" then when those players are reported but found to not be cheating, they don't get a ban and everyone says ZOS does nothing.
As for bot reports, when you report them always take down ticket numbers and either PM them to some ZOS staff or make a thread with the ticket numbers and hopefully they get noticed.
It's a fair point.
I'll just add that people were insinuating or cryptically mentioning things related to CE before CE came to the light.
People are still doing that, and there are players that I see nearly every day that obviously have some sort of on/off for whatever it is. Were talking players whose "skill" seems to massively improve at times so that 10 players chasing them can't kill them versus times where their "skill" makes them 1v1 easy mode. This disparity is very suspicious, I'm sure it can be explained away... it always is.
Ultimately it's likely a mix of some people flat out exploiting and some people just using the most broken things they can (resto staff ulti, 1hs ulti w/ ulti generation gear). The question to ask is: Is building to "take advantage" of the most broken things in game exploiting or just akin to exploiting. Stuff like... recognizing the broken nature of charges and the tendency to create "macro slice" scenarios and then building entirely around exploiting that issue; is that exploiting?
People regularly are hitting other players with melee abilities from out of range when they use charges and break animations with macro slice. Executioner/Reverse slice has a range of 5m, the sheer amount of them I see landing WAY beyond that range is just laughable. It's become a play style...
After CE it became logically unreasonable to give people the benefit of the doubt. Post CE and it's "fix" by ZOS I have personally witnessed some really odd things. Like people with resting health regen so high that they heal to full faster than you can damage them.... people with such small stealth detection radius you have to literally be right on top of them (that are wearing heavy armor)... Constant Charge barrages that hit you at range and then apply all the damage abilities used on arrival through dodge rolls and while out of range. "Perma" block builds that move faster than major expedition. Players that seem to have the ability to not be targeted with melee abilities. That and you have a plethora of high damage, take little to no damage and never run out of resources "builds".
Many a player that was laudedIf SirAndy simply saw my point and said "Fair enough, I didn't test to see if other people actually register me at 42 million HP or if it's just my client", this conversation would have ended a long time ago under the basis that more testing is needed to conclude.
You want proof of cheating, but you don't want proof of cheating. What kind of logic is that?
So the short answer to my question is "no" then.
...Hypothetically speaking, lets say there actually was video someone else recorded of me showing my health go from the base amount to some higher amount and finally to 42 million and suppose i showed you several screenshots from that video with the other players identity blacked out, would that be enough to change your mind?
And since this was a hypothetical question, we can all move on now. I for one am done posting in this thread for a while ...
Well if you're unwilling to provide simple definitive proof to substantiate your claim, I guess it wasn't a claim worth making.
His claim has more substance than yours since it is backed up with physical evidence (screenshot) and he said it's tried and found not to only be a UI number.
Your counterclaims are just words like "common knowledge" and "widely known" and "virtually same". Your arguments aren't even thin air since air has substance. Your arguments are vacuum.
/discussion
As I explained earlier it's not my obligation to prove his point wrong, since he made the original claim and I pointed out why it's not accurate. If he had any interest is proving that his original claim was right, he'd have substantiated it.
Otherwise his picture might as well be as good as something cooked up in photo-shop. Feel free to believe what you want.
As long as you claim something else than he is claiming it is on you to prove him wrong and your claim right. He's Not obliged to do anything just because you have another opinion, which you can't or won't prove no less.
You don't hear "it's commonly known that frogs can swim" in disputations. The counter argument is backed up with i.e. "As concluded in Dr. Einrich von Ecklebeck's report Green Purple Legged Frogs and Water - Can They Truly Swim? (A research of the Green Purple Legged Frog), Das Inztituten, Vienna, 1842 and I quote "after inspecting 1000 green purple legged frogs for 90 days, it is concluded that all Green Purple Legged Frogs can swim", thus Graduate Hian Majty's claim that frogs can only swim as tadpole is errant."
*crowd murmurs*
Whatever your agenda is.
It would be interesting to find out what yours is.
Someone pmed me that a certain something happened to a certain someone on a certain stream.
I certainly don't know what it was.
Apparently the streamers eso crashed and cheat engine was opened up in the back ground when the game closed revealing the program was opened and running. I pm'd the person who witnwased this and was one of the many who reported the streamer but nothing was done to them.
I inquired about who said "famous" streamer was, but have yet to get a reply. I have my suspicion on two of them
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Midori_Oku wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
With the recent bans for the Asylum Sanctorium exploit, would it be against the ToS to open up rewards of the worthy for transmutation crystals on different characters (even though you earned them all on one) be something we shouldn't do? I know a lot of people are doing it, but I want to check if it's actually an issue since I've not personally seen a response about it. I'm sure it's something that will be fixed in the future regardless of yes or no response.
You expect, ZOS to comment in this topic, the black hole for Cheating and exploiting?.
LOL good one.
Harsh truth here, those clowns wouldn't set foot in here for all he crowns in the world.0 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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Apparently the streamers eso crashed and cheat engine was opened up in the back ground when the game closed revealing the program was opened and running. I pm'd the person who witnwased this and was one of the many who reported the streamer but nothing was done to them.rfennell_ESO wrote: »
I inquired about who said "famous" streamer was, but have yet to get a reply. I have my suspicion on two of them
Why am i not surprised?
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭
Apparently the streamers eso crashed and cheat engine was opened up in the back ground when the game closed revealing the program was opened and running. I pm'd the person who witnwased this and was one of the many who reported the streamer but nothing was done to them.rfennell_ESO wrote: »
I inquired about who said "famous" streamer was, but have yet to get a reply. I have my suspicion on two of them
Why am i not surprised?
The real question is...why isnt odinforge surprised?5 -
Voltranox✭✭✭Apparently the streamers eso crashed and cheat engine was opened up in the back ground when the game closed revealing the program was opened and running. I pm'd the person who witnwased this and was one of the many who reported the streamer but nothing was done to them.
I inquired about who said "famous" streamer was, but have yet to get a reply. I have my suspicion on two of them
Wow. Exposed. More evidence. Wish I saw it so I could boycott them. What ego-babies cheaters are.
Such a shame that it is even possible in the first place. And nothing done, even when exposed? Utter failure.
I really enjoy firing the game up after work, and galloping across the plains with friends from my pvp guilds,
chatting and joking on Teamspeak or Discord, thinking up strategies together, fighting together as a team. Great fun.
As much as I look forward to it and enjoy it, increasingly it has become a real drag. Disappointing.3 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apparently the streamers eso crashed and cheat engine was opened up in the back ground when the game closed revealing the program was opened and running. I pm'd the person who witnwased this and was one of the many who reported the streamer but nothing was done to them.
I inquired about who said "famous" streamer was, but have yet to get a reply. I have my suspicion on two of them
Wow. Exposed. More evidence. Wish I saw it so I could boycott them. What ego-babies cheaters are.
Such a shame that it is even possible in the first place. And nothing done, even when exposed? Utter failure.
Until I can actually see the video, this is just some story from the internet about something someone else claims happened. Plausible, yes, but then the best lies are.
Sadly, people on the internet lie, sometimes just to sound important, other times to be malicious. Could be the truth. Could be a lie. Either way, it is not enough to pass judgement on.Edited by Elsonso on November 17, 2017 11:54AM0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭For all of you that still somehow think programs like CE (Cheat Engine) do not work anymore in ESO, here's your wake-up call.
These screenshots were taken tonight, showing how easy it still is to change stats in this game.
And this was done with a off the shelve debugging tool, no CE needed (!).
I went with 42,000,000 just to make a point. The answer to everything ...
ZOS, please, it's been 4 years ...
Something I dont think was covered, why and how is it showing you in combat? Did you duel someone? Guards?2 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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@ManwithBeard9ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Something I dont think was covered, why and how is it showing you in combat? Did you duel someone? Guards?
Not in combat, but almost "dead" as my health is just above 1% at 363,892/42,000,000.
I only increased my max health and it would take hours to catch up to full health that way ...
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@ManwithBeard9ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Something I dont think was covered, why and how is it showing you in combat? Did you duel someone? Guards?
Not in combat, but almost "dead" as my health is just above 1% at 363,892/42,000,000.
I only increased my max health and it would take hours to catch up to full health that way ...
Ohhhh ok. I understand, same as if you ate food. Yeah itll take a while at 868 recovery.1 -
sunandstars77✭✭✭Balance issues in PvP and most likely some of the poor server performance can be attributed to the cheating epidemic that plagued ESO since its launch.
Zos refusing to monitor what happens in Cyodiil, with GM's. Especially during Prime Time.
People chaining into keeps. Porting through doors in a keep that isn't under attack with no breaches. People spamming ulties and flying around. Speed hackers. Some people just take no damage at all with no heals.
I know, as do a lot of others. That this is not the environment you envisioned for your game Zos. Please do something about this.
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Apparently the streamers eso crashed and cheat engine was opened up in the back ground when the game closed revealing the program was opened and running. I pm'd the person who witnwased this and was one of the many who reported the streamer but nothing was done to them.
I inquired about who said "famous" streamer was, but have yet to get a reply. I have my suspicion on two of them
You know what bugs me about this. People keep claiming that people are using cheat engine yet it's an open sourced cheat tool right? Why the hell isn't ZOS looking up the source code for this tool and figuring out a way to block it on their side. I'm sorry but that's inexcusable. They could google the frigging source code!
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Apparently the streamers eso crashed and cheat engine was opened up in the back ground when the game closed revealing the program was opened and running. I pm'd the person who witnwased this and was one of the many who reported the streamer but nothing was done to them.
I inquired about who said "famous" streamer was, but have yet to get a reply. I have my suspicion on two of them
You know what bugs me about this. People keep claiming that people are using cheat engine yet it's an open sourced cheat tool right? Why the hell isn't ZOS looking up the source code for this tool and figuring out a way to block it on their side. I'm sorry but that's inexcusable. They could google the frigging source code!
It is unlikely that ZOS is ignorant about Cheat Engine and what it can do. If they are not auto-banning CE users, it is not because they haven't had a chance to google the source code.
I don't think it is because they don't know how. It think it is more the cost and resources associated with doing it. They want to do other things with their money and resources.
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✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »I still think so many of these issues could just be very good players using the mechanics to the fullest vs cheats.
The problem that exposing cheat engine caused is that now everything which can't be explained at a glance is given the label of "cheat" then when those players are reported but found to not be cheating, they don't get a ban and everyone says ZOS does nothing.
As for bot reports, when you report them always take down ticket numbers and either PM them to some ZOS staff or make a thread with the ticket numbers and hopefully they get noticed.
It's a fair point.
I'll just add that people were insinuating or cryptically mentioning things related to CE before CE came to the light.
People are still doing that, and there are players that I see nearly every day that obviously have some sort of on/off for whatever it is. Were talking players whose "skill" seems to massively improve at times so that 10 players chasing them can't kill them versus times where their "skill" makes them 1v1 easy mode. This disparity is very suspicious, I'm sure it can be explained away... it always is.
Ultimately it's likely a mix of some people flat out exploiting and some people just using the most broken things they can (resto staff ulti, 1hs ulti w/ ulti generation gear). The question to ask is: Is building to "take advantage" of the most broken things in game exploiting or just akin to exploiting. Stuff like... recognizing the broken nature of charges and the tendency to create "macro slice" scenarios and then building entirely around exploiting that issue; is that exploiting?
People regularly are hitting other players with melee abilities from out of range when they use charges and break animations with macro slice. Executioner/Reverse slice has a range of 5m, the sheer amount of them I see landing WAY beyond that range is just laughable. It's become a play style...
After CE it became logically unreasonable to give people the benefit of the doubt. Post CE and it's "fix" by ZOS I have personally witnessed some really odd things. Like people with resting health regen so high that they heal to full faster than you can damage them.... people with such small stealth detection radius you have to literally be right on top of them (that are wearing heavy armor)... Constant Charge barrages that hit you at range and then apply all the damage abilities used on arrival through dodge rolls and while out of range. "Perma" block builds that move faster than major expedition. Players that seem to have the ability to not be targeted with melee abilities. That and you have a plethora of high damage, take little to no damage and never run out of resources "builds".
Many a player that was laudedIf SirAndy simply saw my point and said "Fair enough, I didn't test to see if other people actually register me at 42 million HP or if it's just my client", this conversation would have ended a long time ago under the basis that more testing is needed to conclude.
You want proof of cheating, but you don't want proof of cheating. What kind of logic is that?
So the short answer to my question is "no" then.
...Hypothetically speaking, lets say there actually was video someone else recorded of me showing my health go from the base amount to some higher amount and finally to 42 million and suppose i showed you several screenshots from that video with the other players identity blacked out, would that be enough to change your mind?
And since this was a hypothetical question, we can all move on now. I for one am done posting in this thread for a while ...
Well if you're unwilling to provide simple definitive proof to substantiate your claim, I guess it wasn't a claim worth making.
His claim has more substance than yours since it is backed up with physical evidence (screenshot) and he said it's tried and found not to only be a UI number.
Your counterclaims are just words like "common knowledge" and "widely known" and "virtually same". Your arguments aren't even thin air since air has substance. Your arguments are vacuum.
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As I explained earlier it's not my obligation to prove his point wrong, since he made the original claim and I pointed out why it's not accurate. If he had any interest is proving that his original claim was right, he'd have substantiated it.
Otherwise his picture might as well be as good as something cooked up in photo-shop. Feel free to believe what you want.
As long as you claim something else than he is claiming it is on you to prove him wrong and your claim right. He's Not obliged to do anything just because you have another opinion, which you can't or won't prove no less.
You don't hear "it's commonly known that frogs can swim" in disputations. The counter argument is backed up with i.e. "As concluded in Dr. Einrich von Ecklebeck's report Green Purple Legged Frogs and Water - Can They Truly Swim? (A research of the Green Purple Legged Frog), Das Inztituten, Vienna, 1842 and I quote "after inspecting 1000 green purple legged frogs for 90 days, it is concluded that all Green Purple Legged Frogs can swim", thus Graduate Hian Majty's claim that frogs can only swim as tadpole is errant."
*crowd murmurs*
Whatever your agenda is.
It would be interesting to find out what yours is.
Someone pmed me that a certain something happened to a certain someone on a certain stream.
I certainly don't know what it was.
Apparently the streamers eso crashed and cheat engine was opened up in the back ground when the game closed revealing the program was opened and running. I pm'd the person who witnwased this and was one of the many who reported the streamer but nothing was done to them.
I inquired about who said "famous" streamer was, but have yet to get a reply. I have my suspicion on two of them
The sad thing is you can just be suspicious of most of them and be right.
I've always said the only one not up to shenanigans is Sypher.
Anyone that is doing crazy damage with unlimited sustain (particularly the unlimited sustain part) should be eyed with suspicion.
Choosing to opt for High damage should have it drawbacks, with many that drawback is being eliminated (and that's why they do it) with the dubious use of hacks.
[Edit to remove naming and shaming.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on November 18, 2017 8:27PM1 -
Ihonu✭✭✭Yesterday, I was in Cyrodil with a rl-friend. We joined a raid and attacked a Castle. More than 20 People. Blue emperor came out of the Castle ALONE and faced the whole raid. OVER 20 PEOPLE went all out assault on him and his hitpoint bar didn't move. HE KILLED THE WHOLE RAID ALONE. I HATE IT, i'm going to quit the game if they continue to do nothing.
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✭Yesterday, I was in Cyrodil with a rl-friend. We joined a raid and attacked a Castle. More than 20 People. Blue emperor came out of the Castle ALONE and faced the whole raid. OVER 20 PEOPLE went all out assault on him and his hitpoint bar didn't move. HE KILLED THE WHOLE RAID ALONE. I HATE IT, i'm going to quit the game if they continue to do nothing.
Lol he was emp! They get 100% resource bonuses.1 -
Ihonu✭✭✭Yesterday, I was in Cyrodil with a rl-friend. We joined a raid and attacked a Castle. More than 20 People. Blue emperor came out of the Castle ALONE and faced the whole raid. OVER 20 PEOPLE went all out assault on him and his hitpoint bar didn't move. HE KILLED THE WHOLE RAID ALONE. I HATE IT, i'm going to quit the game if they continue to do nothing.
Lol he was emp! They get 100% resource bonuses.
I know that, but 100% resources doesn't make you invulnerable and you can't win 20 to 1 just because of that.3
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