Magicka DK needs a serious buff, not a tweak but a buff. Here is why:

AlexHo1982

Maybe starting with a change to the "Elder Dragon" passive to provide 5% health instead of health regen could help mDKs a bit, since regen is worthless while being a Vampire (which most mDKs are to gain mobility). 5% health per ability slotted would also indirectly help buffing Draconic Blood and its morphs, if you slot those abilities on your healing bar...

It also would not totally screw those few regen builds out there and not change the tanky theme of the DK. If they additionally increased the Whip damage by about 20%, we should be fine and not over powered. Some other suggestions here could be over the top leading to nerfs later on.

Master_Kas

1. A little damagebuff on the wet noodle (whip)
2. Buff dragonblood
3. Evasion on cinder storm
4. Some passive or morph of a skill which gives some extra ultimate (minor/major heroism?)
5. Make Standard of the might morph cost 200 ult

Am I close enough?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Ishammael

Master_Kas wrote: »

1. A little damagebuff on the wet noodle (whip)
2. Buff dragonblood
3. Evasion on cinder storm
4. Some passive or morph of a skill which gives some extra ultimate (minor/major heroism?)
5. Make Standard of the might morph cost 200 ult

Am I close enough?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Yeah this is basically what I've been asking for for about six months now. Honestly, we really just need 2 and 3. I don't think whip needs a buff... mDKs are usually forced to spec pretty defensively which is why it seems weak.

Asgari

Buffing any dots or whip would buff mDK in PvE which is def not something the game needs. The only change I can see is adding a variable to whip that it does x amount of increased dmg to players. But that doesn't follow zos idea of uniform tool tips and dmg.

Master_Kas

Ishammael wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

1. A little damagebuff on the wet noodle (whip)
2. Buff dragonblood
3. Evasion on cinder storm
4. Some passive or morph of a skill which gives some extra ultimate (minor/major heroism?)
5. Make Standard of the might morph cost 200 ult

Am I close enough?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Yeah this is basically what I've been asking for for about six months now. Honestly, we really just need 2 and 3. I don't think whip needs a buff... mDKs are usually forced to spec pretty defensively which is why it seems weak.

You and alot of other people aswell.
Don't know why ZOS keeps dancing around this and avoiding to do the changes that needs to be made. Instead they do wierd changes on other stuff (molten weapons, inferno etc)

Perhaps some day.

Draxys

One thing I've noticed is that mDK really misses the utility of invasion, now that it's not really viable. Adding a CC to the gap closing chains would consolidate 2 skill slots like we used to be able to do. Wouldn't be a huge buff but would help some. I'm always desperate for 1-2 more skill slots on my DK, much more so than on my NB or Sorc

DKsUnite

Draxys wrote: »

One thing I've noticed is that mDK really misses the utility of invasion, now that it's not really viable. Adding a CC to the gap closing chains would consolidate 2 skill slots like we used to be able to do. Wouldn't be a huge buff but would help some. I'm always desperate for 1-2 more skill slots on my DK, much more so than on my NB or Sorc

i would love invasion back but 1. stam cost is too high to run and 2. so many NBs and melee just in your face spamming gap closers that you can't back away to invasion hence why fozzile is great but a chains with knockdown from any range would be awesome

Bashev

I can add one more possible buff:
Shifting standard can restore resources when is activated for second time.

Lord_Hev

Standard of Might needs to be reduced to 200 ultimate as well

RoamingRiverElk

Negate already works differently for players than for npcs.

Empowering Chains working like a magicka shield charge - yes please. Much more useful than what it currently is. But once again, it should actually work in the first place, currently it fails to close the gap FAR too often. Since we're supposed to be healing ourselves with melee skills, why is it that we can't keep ourselves in melee then? WHEN will the devs realize that we DON'T yet have a magicka gap closer because it is WAY too buggy?

The health regen buff is incredibly weak.

And as someone said, on magicka dk it really feels like there's never enough slots. We need more effects from single skills. Dodge chance, purge, stun.

Armitas

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Buffing any dots or whip would buff mDK in PvE which is def not something the game needs. The only change I can see is adding a variable to whip that it does x amount of increased dmg to players. But that doesn't follow zos idea of uniform tool tips and dmg.

The only way I have been able to think of to buff whip damage without buffing pve is to take the damage added to our rotation from molten whips increased spell damage and reduce it by 30% then add it to flame lash's base value. It will mean that flame lash has a higher base tool tip, but molten whip will be more total damage due to it's increase to everything in the ardent line. Since bosses don't get off balanced powerlash will never proc. That will keep molten whip as the best in slot PvE choice and flame lash as best in slot PvP choice.

Armitas

One of the things we want to keep with chains is the root immunity it provides. Not sure what type that would classify it as...teleport?

Vort had a cool suggestion that empowering chains would set players off balance. That would be really nice with power lash. Or if it just triggered power lash you could use chains and hit an empowered powerlash.

pcar944

def need for a whip/breath to do a little more damage, or shorten the duration

so much fun though

DKsUnite

You know what i would love right about now. The aoe disorient eruption. I would love to use that when i have like 3 NBs and 2 WBs on me xD Or deal with jesus beam spammers with it haha

Bashev

DKsUnite wrote: »

You know what i would love right about now. The aoe disorient eruption. I would love to use that when i have like 3 NBs and 2 WBs on me xD Or deal with jesus beam spammers with it haha

Lol i totally forgot that one of the morphs of ash cloud was an AoE disorient. Shame for ZoS, they took our utility and make the skill useful for PvE DPS which wasn't need it at all.

Armitas

yeah they took all that away and gave use this cinderstorm thinking yeah that wold be great for pvp. Who doesn't love a snare? You know who doesn't love a snare ZOS? Stam builds. Stam builds confirmed do not love snare because they have snare immunity.

DKsUnite

Someone just reminded me but did you guys notice the deep breath nerf? Remember how the exhale was actually strong and did like 5-6k damage because it wasn't hit by battle spirit. Now it's just like a *** version of whip because instead we get a 100% heal of our damage done with the inhale which is cut in half anyways because of battle spirit...... this really explains to me why I used to kill people in bats and now I have a hard time doing it.

Armitas

Been trying to get into 1v1s lately and checking my FTC reports.

Battle roar = healed 2,655.

Remember when battle roar was good?

DKsUnite

Armitas wrote: »

Been trying to get into 1v1s lately and checking my FTC reports.

Battle roar = healed 2,655.

Remember when battle roar was good?

its cut by 50% thanks to battle spirit >.<

Armitas

Is reflect working right? I reflected an unblocked focused aim for 3600 damage. Thats like a 2700 focused aim before the 35% damage bonus. That doesn't seem right... 2700 is only 300 damage off from my tooltip damage for base snipe in a magicka build minus Battle spirit.

Poison injection = 1186 (not the dot)
Blinding javelin CRIT= 1572
Crystal frag CRIT = 4,582
Scourge Harvest heal = 27k Trololol
Poison injection = 2021 (says tooltip reads 5k and has 11k physical defense and my reflect will hit with 4k penetration. Those values do not seem to add up... I wonder if hardy is double stacking in both directions?)

Just some of the stuff in my combat log. Tried whispering these AD and DC for Tooltip values but they all ignored me. So many hate tells people think everything is a troll.

DKsUnite

Armitas wrote: »

Is reflect working right? I reflected an unblocked focused aim for 3600 damage. Thats like a 2700 focused aim before the 35% damage bonus. That doesn't seem right...

Lots of cap archers going around now, seems right :P

Oompuh

I think a fair way to buff the dk is too buff their utility skills: ash cloud, chains, scales, etc. Also, take battle spirirt off of dragon blood. So pve dds won't be bufed to the point of dominance and pvper's can have more utility. It will be hard to increase damage without breaking the class in pve

OtarTheMad

I had a question for my fellow Magicka DKs out there. I have been playing my magDK more lately and noticed that I can no longer use Dragon Leap to leap onto enemies that are outside. (Example: a group front dooring a keep I liked to surprise them by getting to the edge of the keep wall and leaping down) Is this an intended nerf or a screw up on axis restrictions because of the changes to gap closers?

DKsUnite

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I had a question for my fellow Magicka DKs out there. I have been playing my magDK more lately and noticed that I can no longer use Dragon Leap to leap onto enemies that are outside. (Example: a group front dooring a keep I liked to surprise them by getting to the edge of the keep wall and leaping down) Is this an intended nerf or a screw up on axis restrictions because of the changes to gap closers?

probably a screw up lol

OtarTheMad

DKsUnite wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I had a question for my fellow Magicka DKs out there. I have been playing my magDK more lately and noticed that I can no longer use Dragon Leap to leap onto enemies that are outside. (Example: a group front dooring a keep I liked to surprise them by getting to the edge of the keep wall and leaping down) Is this an intended nerf or a screw up on axis restrictions because of the changes to gap closers?

probably a screw up lol

Well that sucks lol. Nothing was more fun then scaring a group that was ramming a front door by using leap and announcing my presence further with some talons, eruption and inhale...

Ghostbane

DKsUnite wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

One thing I've noticed is that mDK really misses the utility of invasion, now that it's not really viable. Adding a CC to the gap closing chains would consolidate 2 skill slots like we used to be able to do. Wouldn't be a huge buff but would help some. I'm always desperate for 1-2 more skill slots on my DK, much more so than on my NB or Sorc

i would love invasion back but 1. stam cost is too high to run and 2. so many NBs and melee just in your face spamming gap closers that you can't back away to invasion hence why fozzile is great but a chains with knockdown from any range would be awesome

#underratedStoneFist

DKsUnite

Ghostbane wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

One thing I've noticed is that mDK really misses the utility of invasion, now that it's not really viable. Adding a CC to the gap closing chains would consolidate 2 skill slots like we used to be able to do. Wouldn't be a huge buff but would help some. I'm always desperate for 1-2 more skill slots on my DK, much more so than on my NB or Sorc

i would love invasion back but 1. stam cost is too high to run and 2. so many NBs and melee just in your face spamming gap closers that you can't back away to invasion hence why fozzile is great but a chains with knockdown from any range would be awesome

#underratedStoneFist

want a super fist morph where you gap close with a stone fist and punch them to the ground

Kilandros

My top 5 wish list:

Inferno/Cauterize - turned into a damaging/healing version of Hurricane.

Spiked Armor - Turned into a skill that passively buffs mag/stam regen, when activated gives major evasion and expedition.

Inhale - Each target hit reduces the delay by 10%. At 6 targets would make the delay 1.5 secs rather than 2.5 secs.

Elder Dragon - Rank 1 Major resolve while any Draconic Power ability is active, Rank 2 also Major Ward while any DP ability is active.

Derp Dragon's Blood - A decent heal plaz

Wollust

The worst thing about trying to get well deserved buffs for mag DKs is that stam DKs are just so incredibly strong. Any buff to magDKs passives and utility abilities could result in buffing stam DK along the line, which is kinda not so desired.
Same applies if you look at it from PvP to PvE perspective.

This is most likely the hardest job balance wise regarding the classes atm.
Sucks.

DKsUnite

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