Magicka DK needs a serious buff, not a tweak but a buff. Here is why:

Jules

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Oh god another magicka DK buff thread. Someones trying to find Jules love..

Someone has to mend this broken heart...

Lord_Hev

DKsUnite wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

@Ara_Valleria If the damage is fine in DB then I am looking forward to the patch. Honestly if we had a proper heal I doubt I'd have any complaints because I wouldn't have to bar swap at low health or be forced to use a resto staff which imo is mediocre.

Exactly. Once gdb actually gits gud, mdks wont have to rely on restro for heals and will be able to go for dw or destro, which will automatically increase dmg.

Hence, a gdb fix will instantly make the classs 70% better than what it is right now.

Igenous being so weak might also be a reason why we feel not tanky. Before, it used to be a 8-10k shield with major mending so you could put it on before you used DB so you knew you would get the major mending. Now if you try to put it on before, the 4k shield will instantly disappear because so many executes exist and dmg is so high so when you try to heal, its not getting major mending....

You don't get major mending if igneous gets broke before you cast DB?

i didnt think you did. I thought it was tied to the ability being active? if not then i semi retract my statement

It's separate, you get 6 seconds of major mending regardless how long the shield lasts.

DKsUnite

Lord_Hev wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

@Ara_Valleria If the damage is fine in DB then I am looking forward to the patch. Honestly if we had a proper heal I doubt I'd have any complaints because I wouldn't have to bar swap at low health or be forced to use a resto staff which imo is mediocre.

Exactly. Once gdb actually gits gud, mdks wont have to rely on restro for heals and will be able to go for dw or destro, which will automatically increase dmg.

Hence, a gdb fix will instantly make the classs 70% better than what it is right now.

Igenous being so weak might also be a reason why we feel not tanky. Before, it used to be a 8-10k shield with major mending so you could put it on before you used DB so you knew you would get the major mending. Now if you try to put it on before, the 4k shield will instantly disappear because so many executes exist and dmg is so high so when you try to heal, its not getting major mending....

You don't get major mending if igneous gets broke before you cast DB?

i didnt think you did. I thought it was tied to the ability being active? if not then i semi retract my statement

It's separate, you get 6 seconds of major mending regardless how long the shield lasts.

okay well then i retract my statement. WTB bigger igenous shield though

Jules

DKsUnite wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

@Ara_Valleria If the damage is fine in DB then I am looking forward to the patch. Honestly if we had a proper heal I doubt I'd have any complaints because I wouldn't have to bar swap at low health or be forced to use a resto staff which imo is mediocre.

Exactly. Once gdb actually gits gud, mdks wont have to rely on restro for heals and will be able to go for dw or destro, which will automatically increase dmg.

Hence, a gdb fix will instantly make the classs 70% better than what it is right now.

Igenous being so weak might also be a reason why we feel not tanky. Before, it used to be a 8-10k shield with major mending so you could put it on before you used DB so you knew you would get the major mending. Now if you try to put it on before, the 4k shield will instantly disappear because so many executes exist and dmg is so high so when you try to heal, its not getting major mending....

You don't get major mending if igneous gets broke before you cast DB?

i didnt think you did. I thought it was tied to the ability being active? if not then i semi retract my statement

It's separate, you get 6 seconds of major mending regardless how long the shield lasts.

okay well then i retract my statement. WTB bigger igenous shield though

did u just get rekt on magicka dk trivia BY A SORC?
smh leo

Lord_Hev

Jules wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

@Ara_Valleria If the damage is fine in DB then I am looking forward to the patch. Honestly if we had a proper heal I doubt I'd have any complaints because I wouldn't have to bar swap at low health or be forced to use a resto staff which imo is mediocre.

Exactly. Once gdb actually gits gud, mdks wont have to rely on restro for heals and will be able to go for dw or destro, which will automatically increase dmg.

Hence, a gdb fix will instantly make the classs 70% better than what it is right now.

Igenous being so weak might also be a reason why we feel not tanky. Before, it used to be a 8-10k shield with major mending so you could put it on before you used DB so you knew you would get the major mending. Now if you try to put it on before, the 4k shield will instantly disappear because so many executes exist and dmg is so high so when you try to heal, its not getting major mending....

You don't get major mending if igneous gets broke before you cast DB?

i didnt think you did. I thought it was tied to the ability being active? if not then i semi retract my statement

It's separate, you get 6 seconds of major mending regardless how long the shield lasts.

okay well then i retract my statement. WTB bigger igenous shield though

did u just get rekt on magicka dk trivia BY A SORC?
smh leo

I have 4 magic DKs ;p

DKsUnite

Jules wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

@Ara_Valleria If the damage is fine in DB then I am looking forward to the patch. Honestly if we had a proper heal I doubt I'd have any complaints because I wouldn't have to bar swap at low health or be forced to use a resto staff which imo is mediocre.

Exactly. Once gdb actually gits gud, mdks wont have to rely on restro for heals and will be able to go for dw or destro, which will automatically increase dmg.

Hence, a gdb fix will instantly make the classs 70% better than what it is right now.

Igenous being so weak might also be a reason why we feel not tanky. Before, it used to be a 8-10k shield with major mending so you could put it on before you used DB so you knew you would get the major mending. Now if you try to put it on before, the 4k shield will instantly disappear because so many executes exist and dmg is so high so when you try to heal, its not getting major mending....

You don't get major mending if igneous gets broke before you cast DB?

i didnt think you did. I thought it was tied to the ability being active? if not then i semi retract my statement

It's separate, you get 6 seconds of major mending regardless how long the shield lasts.

okay well then i retract my statement. WTB bigger igenous shield though

did u just get rekt on magicka dk trivia BY A SORC?
smh leo

quiet Julie

Armitas

I like how flames of oblivion was really cool at the start of the game but poorly designed. Then they fixed it, gave it to sorcs and gave us a mage light clone with a lazy turret.

Bashev

Armitas wrote: »

I like how flames of oblivion was really cool at the start of the game but poorly designed. Then they fixed it, gave it to sorcs and gave us a mage light clone with a lazy turret.

I agree, flames should be like hurricane.

DKsUnite

just an idea, so just like how sorcs have disintegration/implosion, why cant we have that but with flame? when someone is below 25% and you hit them with a fire attack, you have like 5-10% chance to proc incinerate. This would greatly encourage dot builds because the more dots you have, the more chance you have to proc it. It wouldnt effect pve too much either because the proc chance is kinda low and it doesnt really come into effect until 25%

thoughts?

Zheg

DKsUnite wrote: »

just an idea, so just like how sorcs have disintegration/implosion, why cant we have that but with flame? when someone is below 25% and you hit them with a fire attack, you have like 5-10% chance to proc incinerate. This would greatly encourage dot builds because the more dots you have, the more chance you have to proc it. It wouldnt effect pve too much either because the proc chance is kinda low and it doesnt really come into effect until 25%

thoughts?

Sorcs don't really do much in the way of aoe lightning attacks in pvp though. Every now and then you may see a lightning WoE but most of the time the implosion comes from single target abilities. Almost none of the lightning dmg comes in the form of DoTs either.

With the amount of really good fire aoe attacks DKs have they'd be proccing it a ton more than sorcs ever were. This probably wouldn't be too much of an issue, but is aoe execute RNG really what's going to help mag DK? Their aoe and control is already the best in the game. Seems like you'd be better focused on buffing other aspects of them.

Yoyuyi999

My complaint about DK is the damage. MagDKs can tank zergs and can have INCREDIBLE sustain when using pots. It's arguably one of the tankiest specs in the game and now got mobility in the DB patch. My problem with DK is that is does not have enough damage capabilities to take out a good Templar, sorc or Stam DK's. IMO, it just does not hit hard enough. I mean for christ sake a 3k flame lash is considered good nowadays.

My solution would be to give magicka cost reduction passive (as DK's already have INCREDIBLY high magicka costing abilities and with DB increasing costs of abilities more it just made it worse), making DragonBlood ignore battle spirit, and buffing flame lash as per OP's suggestion.

Ghost-Shot

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

My complaint about DK is the damage. MagDKs can tank zergs and can have INCREDIBLE sustain when using pots. It's arguably one of the tankiest specs in the game and now got mobility in the DB patch. My problem with DK is that is does not have enough damage capabilities to take out a good Templar, sorc or Stam DK's. IMO, it just does not hit hard enough. I mean for christ sake a 3k flame lash is considered good nowadays.

My solution would be to give magicka cost reduction passive (as DK's already have INCREDIBLY high magicka costing abilities and with DB increasing costs of abilities more it just made it worse), making DragonBlood ignore battle spirit, and buffing flame lash as per OP's suggestion.

@Wrobel

xEcthelionx

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

My complaint about DK is the damage. MagDKs can tank zergs and can have INCREDIBLE sustain when using pots. It's arguably one of the tankiest specs in the game and now got mobility in the DB patch. My problem with DK is that is does not have enough damage capabilities to take out a good Templar, sorc or Stam DK's. IMO, it just does not hit hard enough. I mean for christ sake a 3k flame lash is considered good nowadays.

My solution would be to give magicka cost reduction passive (as DK's already have INCREDIBLY high magicka costing abilities and with DB increasing costs of abilities more it just made it worse), making DragonBlood ignore battle spirit, and buffing flame lash as per OP's suggestion.

@Wrobel

@Wrobel Don't make me get Attacko to give you a call. Get off your stamina nightblade and play magicka DK and see what we are talking about.

Ishammael

IxskullzxI wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

@Ara_Valleria If the damage is fine in DB then I am looking forward to the patch. Honestly if we had a proper heal I doubt I'd have any complaints because I wouldn't have to bar swap at low health or be forced to use a resto staff which imo is mediocre.

Exactly. Once gdb actually gits gud, mdks wont have to rely on restro for heals and will be able to go for dw or destro, which will automatically increase dmg.

Hence, a gdb fix will instantly make the classs 70% better than what it is right now.

Igenous being so weak might also be a reason why we feel not tanky. Before, it used to be a 8-10k shield with major mending so you could put it on before you used DB so you knew you would get the major mending. Now if you try to put it on before, the 4k shield will instantly disappear because so many executes exist and dmg is so high so when you try to heal, its not getting major mending....

You don't get major mending if igneous gets broke before you cast DB?

Mending lasts 7 seconds, regardless of whether the shield stays up.

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

@Ara_Valleria If the damage is fine in DB then I am looking forward to the patch. Honestly if we had a proper heal I doubt I'd have any complaints because I wouldn't have to bar swap at low health or be forced to use a resto staff which imo is mediocre.

Exactly. Once gdb actually gits gud, mdks wont have to rely on restro for heals and will be able to go for dw or destro, which will automatically increase dmg.

Hence, a gdb fix will instantly make the classs 70% better than what it is right now.

Exactly. I would run my 1.5 destro/sw+sh if I could heal properly.

CMurder435

@Wrobel Don't make me get Attacko to give you a call. Get off your stamina nightblade and play magicka DK and see what we are talking about. [/quote]

@Wrobel yeh, could you and Attacko stop doing vMSA repeatedly on your stamblades and plz go fight his stamblade a couple times on your mdk lol you'll see what these guys mean..

DKsUnite

CMurder435 wrote: »

@Wrobel Don't make me get Attacko to give you a call. Get off your stamina nightblade and play magicka DK and see what we are talking about.

@Wrobel yeh, could you and Attacko stop doing vMSA repeatedly on your stamblades and plz go fight his stamblade a couple times on your mdk lol you'll see what these guys mean..[/quote]

stamblade, jesus beam templar healer, 3 lethal arrow archer, a tankplar and a shield stacking sorc at once. Thats what I fight everyday anyways =.=

Attackopsn

Alright, this might be an ineffective way to express my opinion here but I'll try. Many people here have given plenty of pvp oriented examples to try and give perspective to why this class is the weakest of the four magicka builds. I believe that vma is a pretty decent way to explain this in addition to these comments since it is solo content, requires some level of survivability and sustain, and makes use of a wider variety of class utilities. Right now when I run VMA, I can comfortably reach 569k on nb but only around 560k on dragonknight. My nb has the high passive healing that allows me to stay offensive more consistently without butchering my bars with abilities outside my normal dps rotation, same with sorc but more in the form of shielding and burst healing. The mag dk is forced into using a resto for vma becaue they do not have a reliable method of passive or burst healing comparable to sorc or nb. This means I have to take off two extremely important DoTs and molten whip to compensate for the lack of class based reliable healing. Thats where I believe the major issue is in pvp for mag dk. Coagulating is not viable in a meta where you are forced into allocating all your points into magicka, and dots are not nearly as powerful in a meta that favors instant damage burst. I feel that magicka dk doesnt have a competitive form of class based self healing in tune with the current meta of the game and falls short greatly in pvp due to this.

xEcthelionx

Attackopsn wrote: »

Alright, this might be an ineffective way to express my opinion here but I'll try. Many people here have given plenty of pvp oriented examples to try and give perspective to why this class is the weakest of the four magicka builds. I believe that vma is a pretty decent way to explain this in addition to these comments since it is solo content, requires some level of survivability and sustain, and makes use of a wider variety of class utilities. Right now when I run VMA, I can comfortably reach 569k on nb but only around 560k on dragonknight. My nb has the high passive healing that allows me to stay offensive more consistently without butchering my bars with abilities outside my normal dps rotation, same with sorc but more in the form of shielding and burst healing. The mag dk is forced into using a resto for vma becaue they do not have a reliable method of passive or burst healing comparable to sorc or nb. This means I have to take off two extremely important DoTs and molten whip to compensate for the lack of class based reliable healing. Thats where I believe the major issue is in pvp for mag dk. Coagulating is not viable in a meta where you are forced into allocating all your points into magicka, and dots are not nearly as powerful in a meta that favors instant damage burst. I feel that magicka dk doesnt have a competitive form of class based self healing in tune with the current meta of the game and falls short greatly in pvp due to this.

@Wrobel

@Attackopsn hey bb how YOU doin? definitely a difference between 1.6 dk that could go back and forth with you on pretty much every class vs. current DK and how I can hardly get your Magplar below 30ish%. DK is getting there, it needs to be balanced and not OP; I believe the developers can do it.

Yoyuyi999

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Alright, this might be an ineffective way to express my opinion here but I'll try. Many people here have given plenty of pvp oriented examples to try and give perspective to why this class is the weakest of the four magicka builds. I believe that vma is a pretty decent way to explain this in addition to these comments since it is solo content, requires some level of survivability and sustain, and makes use of a wider variety of class utilities. Right now when I run VMA, I can comfortably reach 569k on nb but only around 560k on dragonknight. My nb has the high passive healing that allows me to stay offensive more consistently without butchering my bars with abilities outside my normal dps rotation, same with sorc but more in the form of shielding and burst healing. The mag dk is forced into using a resto for vma becaue they do not have a reliable method of passive or burst healing comparable to sorc or nb. This means I have to take off two extremely important DoTs and molten whip to compensate for the lack of class based reliable healing. Thats where I believe the major issue is in pvp for mag dk. Coagulating is not viable in a meta where you are forced into allocating all your points into magicka, and dots are not nearly as powerful in a meta that favors instant damage burst. I feel that magicka dk doesnt have a competitive form of class based self healing in tune with the current meta of the game and falls short greatly in pvp due to this.

@Wrobel

@Attackopsn hey bb how YOU doin? definitely a difference between 1.6 dk that could go back and forth with you on pretty much every class vs. current DK and how I can hardly get your Magplar below 30ish%. DK is getting there, it needs to be balanced and not OP; I believe the developers can do it.

The reason why mDK's in 1.6 were balanced was because they had good healing and good damage and also good sustain as everyone in Cyrodiil ran 3 reduce cost glyphs (while still being able to maintain damage)

Ishammael

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Alright, this might be an ineffective way to express my opinion here but I'll try. Many people here have given plenty of pvp oriented examples to try and give perspective to why this class is the weakest of the four magicka builds. I believe that vma is a pretty decent way to explain this in addition to these comments since it is solo content, requires some level of survivability and sustain, and makes use of a wider variety of class utilities. Right now when I run VMA, I can comfortably reach 569k on nb but only around 560k on dragonknight. My nb has the high passive healing that allows me to stay offensive more consistently without butchering my bars with abilities outside my normal dps rotation, same with sorc but more in the form of shielding and burst healing. The mag dk is forced into using a resto for vma becaue they do not have a reliable method of passive or burst healing comparable to sorc or nb. This means I have to take off two extremely important DoTs and molten whip to compensate for the lack of class based reliable healing. Thats where I believe the major issue is in pvp for mag dk. Coagulating is not viable in a meta where you are forced into allocating all your points into magicka, and dots are not nearly as powerful in a meta that favors instant damage burst. I feel that magicka dk doesnt have a competitive form of class based self healing in tune with the current meta of the game and falls short greatly in pvp due to this.

@Wrobel

@Attackopsn hey bb how YOU doin? definitely a difference between 1.6 dk that could go back and forth with you on pretty much every class vs. current DK and how I can hardly get your Magplar below 30ish%. DK is getting there, it needs to be balanced and not OP; I believe the developers can do it.

The reason why mDK's in 1.6 were balanced was because they had good healing and good damage and also good sustain as everyone in Cyrodiil ran 3 reduce cost glyphs (while still being able to maintain damage)

Bracing plus Dragon Blood --> cost redux --> Drinks (Stam regen while blocking). That was DK 1.6
Simply not do-able now, unfortunately.

Bashev

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Alright, this might be an ineffective way to express my opinion here but I'll try. Many people here have given plenty of pvp oriented examples to try and give perspective to why this class is the weakest of the four magicka builds. I believe that vma is a pretty decent way to explain this in addition to these comments since it is solo content, requires some level of survivability and sustain, and makes use of a wider variety of class utilities. Right now when I run VMA, I can comfortably reach 569k on nb but only around 560k on dragonknight. My nb has the high passive healing that allows me to stay offensive more consistently without butchering my bars with abilities outside my normal dps rotation, same with sorc but more in the form of shielding and burst healing. The mag dk is forced into using a resto for vma becaue they do not have a reliable method of passive or burst healing comparable to sorc or nb. This means I have to take off two extremely important DoTs and molten whip to compensate for the lack of class based reliable healing. Thats where I believe the major issue is in pvp for mag dk. Coagulating is not viable in a meta where you are forced into allocating all your points into magicka, and dots are not nearly as powerful in a meta that favors instant damage burst. I feel that magicka dk doesnt have a competitive form of class based self healing in tune with the current meta of the game and falls short greatly in pvp due to this.

@Wrobel

@Attackopsn hey bb how YOU doin? definitely a difference between 1.6 dk that could go back and forth with you on pretty much every class vs. current DK and how I can hardly get your Magplar below 30ish%. DK is getting there, it needs to be balanced and not OP; I believe the developers can do it.

The reason why mDK's in 1.6 were balanced was because they had good healing and good damage and also good sustain as everyone in Cyrodiil ran 3 reduce cost glyphs (while still being able to maintain damage)

You can add that whip wasn't dodgable.

Ishammael

Bashev wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Alright, this might be an ineffective way to express my opinion here but I'll try. Many people here have given plenty of pvp oriented examples to try and give perspective to why this class is the weakest of the four magicka builds. I believe that vma is a pretty decent way to explain this in addition to these comments since it is solo content, requires some level of survivability and sustain, and makes use of a wider variety of class utilities. Right now when I run VMA, I can comfortably reach 569k on nb but only around 560k on dragonknight. My nb has the high passive healing that allows me to stay offensive more consistently without butchering my bars with abilities outside my normal dps rotation, same with sorc but more in the form of shielding and burst healing. The mag dk is forced into using a resto for vma becaue they do not have a reliable method of passive or burst healing comparable to sorc or nb. This means I have to take off two extremely important DoTs and molten whip to compensate for the lack of class based reliable healing. Thats where I believe the major issue is in pvp for mag dk. Coagulating is not viable in a meta where you are forced into allocating all your points into magicka, and dots are not nearly as powerful in a meta that favors instant damage burst. I feel that magicka dk doesnt have a competitive form of class based self healing in tune with the current meta of the game and falls short greatly in pvp due to this.

@Wrobel

@Attackopsn hey bb how YOU doin? definitely a difference between 1.6 dk that could go back and forth with you on pretty much every class vs. current DK and how I can hardly get your Magplar below 30ish%. DK is getting there, it needs to be balanced and not OP; I believe the developers can do it.

The reason why mDK's in 1.6 were balanced was because they had good healing and good damage and also good sustain as everyone in Cyrodiil ran 3 reduce cost glyphs (while still being able to maintain damage)

You can add that whip wasn't dodgable.

Oh yeah! I forgot about that.
Wish it had stayed that way.

The only skill that is undodgeable now is a 40m range execute... oh wait, this isn't a radiant thread.

Yoyuyi999

Ishammael wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Alright, this might be an ineffective way to express my opinion here but I'll try. Many people here have given plenty of pvp oriented examples to try and give perspective to why this class is the weakest of the four magicka builds. I believe that vma is a pretty decent way to explain this in addition to these comments since it is solo content, requires some level of survivability and sustain, and makes use of a wider variety of class utilities. Right now when I run VMA, I can comfortably reach 569k on nb but only around 560k on dragonknight. My nb has the high passive healing that allows me to stay offensive more consistently without butchering my bars with abilities outside my normal dps rotation, same with sorc but more in the form of shielding and burst healing. The mag dk is forced into using a resto for vma becaue they do not have a reliable method of passive or burst healing comparable to sorc or nb. This means I have to take off two extremely important DoTs and molten whip to compensate for the lack of class based reliable healing. Thats where I believe the major issue is in pvp for mag dk. Coagulating is not viable in a meta where you are forced into allocating all your points into magicka, and dots are not nearly as powerful in a meta that favors instant damage burst. I feel that magicka dk doesnt have a competitive form of class based self healing in tune with the current meta of the game and falls short greatly in pvp due to this.

@Wrobel

@Attackopsn hey bb how YOU doin? definitely a difference between 1.6 dk that could go back and forth with you on pretty much every class vs. current DK and how I can hardly get your Magplar below 30ish%. DK is getting there, it needs to be balanced and not OP; I believe the developers can do it.

The reason why mDK's in 1.6 were balanced was because they had good healing and good damage and also good sustain as everyone in Cyrodiil ran 3 reduce cost glyphs (while still being able to maintain damage)

Bracing plus Dragon Blood --> cost redux --> Drinks (Stam regen while blocking). That was DK 1.6
Simply not do-able now, unfortunately.

You can still easily permablock on Mag DK, or damn near it. Mag DK is tanky as *** right now, and most Mag DKs i know ran food in 1.6. Including me too

xEcthelionx

Ishammael wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Alright, this might be an ineffective way to express my opinion here but I'll try. Many people here have given plenty of pvp oriented examples to try and give perspective to why this class is the weakest of the four magicka builds. I believe that vma is a pretty decent way to explain this in addition to these comments since it is solo content, requires some level of survivability and sustain, and makes use of a wider variety of class utilities. Right now when I run VMA, I can comfortably reach 569k on nb but only around 560k on dragonknight. My nb has the high passive healing that allows me to stay offensive more consistently without butchering my bars with abilities outside my normal dps rotation, same with sorc but more in the form of shielding and burst healing. The mag dk is forced into using a resto for vma becaue they do not have a reliable method of passive or burst healing comparable to sorc or nb. This means I have to take off two extremely important DoTs and molten whip to compensate for the lack of class based reliable healing. Thats where I believe the major issue is in pvp for mag dk. Coagulating is not viable in a meta where you are forced into allocating all your points into magicka, and dots are not nearly as powerful in a meta that favors instant damage burst. I feel that magicka dk doesnt have a competitive form of class based self healing in tune with the current meta of the game and falls short greatly in pvp due to this.

@Wrobel

@Attackopsn hey bb how YOU doin? definitely a difference between 1.6 dk that could go back and forth with you on pretty much every class vs. current DK and how I can hardly get your Magplar below 30ish%. DK is getting there, it needs to be balanced and not OP; I believe the developers can do it.

The reason why mDK's in 1.6 were balanced was because they had good healing and good damage and also good sustain as everyone in Cyrodiil ran 3 reduce cost glyphs (while still being able to maintain damage)

You can add that whip wasn't dodgable.

Oh yeah! I forgot about that.
Wish it had stayed that way.

The only skill that is undodgeable now is a 40m range execute... oh wait, this isn't a radiant thread.

Power lash is not dodgeable unless I am mistaken

Ishammael

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Attackopsn wrote: »

Alright, this might be an ineffective way to express my opinion here but I'll try. Many people here have given plenty of pvp oriented examples to try and give perspective to why this class is the weakest of the four magicka builds. I believe that vma is a pretty decent way to explain this in addition to these comments since it is solo content, requires some level of survivability and sustain, and makes use of a wider variety of class utilities. Right now when I run VMA, I can comfortably reach 569k on nb but only around 560k on dragonknight. My nb has the high passive healing that allows me to stay offensive more consistently without butchering my bars with abilities outside my normal dps rotation, same with sorc but more in the form of shielding and burst healing. The mag dk is forced into using a resto for vma becaue they do not have a reliable method of passive or burst healing comparable to sorc or nb. This means I have to take off two extremely important DoTs and molten whip to compensate for the lack of class based reliable healing. Thats where I believe the major issue is in pvp for mag dk. Coagulating is not viable in a meta where you are forced into allocating all your points into magicka, and dots are not nearly as powerful in a meta that favors instant damage burst. I feel that magicka dk doesnt have a competitive form of class based self healing in tune with the current meta of the game and falls short greatly in pvp due to this.

@Wrobel

@Attackopsn hey bb how YOU doin? definitely a difference between 1.6 dk that could go back and forth with you on pretty much every class vs. current DK and how I can hardly get your Magplar below 30ish%. DK is getting there, it needs to be balanced and not OP; I believe the developers can do it.

The reason why mDK's in 1.6 were balanced was because they had good healing and good damage and also good sustain as everyone in Cyrodiil ran 3 reduce cost glyphs (while still being able to maintain damage)

Bracing plus Dragon Blood --> cost redux --> Drinks (Stam regen while blocking). That was DK 1.6
Simply not do-able now, unfortunately.

You can still easily permablock on Mag DK, or damn near it. Mag DK is tanky as *** right now, and most Mag DKs i know ran food in 1.6. Including me too

You ran food once you had enough CPs in 1.6. but anyway, it's not important.

I think there are some strong mDK builds and players out there right now, agreed.

PeggymoeXD

Dragon Blood needs a buff. Otherwise I think DK's are alright. Of course, I wouldn't mind being able to reflect more than 4 things every 4 seconds again

Ghost-Shot

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Dragon Blood needs a buff. Otherwise I think DK's are alright. Of course, I wouldn't mind being able to reflect more than 4 things every 4 seconds again

@Wrobel

RoamingRiverElk

Basically what has been said in this thread + chains that would actually activate and take you where you are trying to go on flat ground + cheaper blocking cost.

DKsUnite

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Dragon Blood needs a buff. Otherwise I think DK's are alright. Of course, I wouldn't mind being able to reflect more than 4 things every 4 seconds again

@Wrobel

he thinks we are fine @Ghost-Shot since we can duel fine and thats how the balance is being done =.=

Ghost-Shot

DKsUnite wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Dragon Blood needs a buff. Otherwise I think DK's are alright. Of course, I wouldn't mind being able to reflect more than 4 things every 4 seconds again

@Wrobel

he thinks we are fine @Ghost-Shot since we can duel fine and thats how the balance is being done =.=