Refined 860 Rubedire Ore and reaped 1 Tempering Alloy

Talemire

Um... ZOS... Address this? RNG is good and all, but I don't enjoy wasting my time... Make it so we net a base value of 1 Tempering Alloy per stack of 200 refined ore... Please and thank you.

DRXHarbinger

How many temp alloys do you have in your bank / on toon?

Vangy

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

How many temp alloys do you have in your bank / on toon?

Funny you should ask this. Ive always noticed my RNG is far better when I move all my gold mats to a mule vs keeping them on my farming toon/bank...... Don't know if there is any truth behind this or if its just rng...

Acrolas

It's a small chance per 10 items. More sets of 10 items give you more chances, but do not inherently increase your chances overall. Because luck is a cruel master.

But we weather the odds for that which we want. If you're wasting time, it's exactly that. You wasting time. One must learn to realize when to put down the hammer, take a break, and try again tomorrow. It's not ZOS's responsibility to make nature predictable. It's yours to learn that it is not.

Curragraigue

Vangy wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

How many temp alloys do you have in your bank / on toon?

Funny you should ask this. Ive always noticed my RNG is far better when I move all my gold mats to a mule vs keeping them on my farming toon/bank...... Don't know if there is any truth behind this or if its just rng...

I keep mine in a bank and used up all of my dreugh wax on making gold sets for a few characters and my RNG for golds still stinks. I refine as soon as I'm getting to 200 now. Used to get 2-3 per 200 now usually getting 1 per 200.

Take pity on me RNGeebus I have many more alts to fit out in gear

TX12001rwb17_ESO

You do have the perks?

DRXHarbinger

Vangy wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

How many temp alloys do you have in your bank / on toon?

Funny you should ask this. Ive always noticed my RNG is far better when I move all my gold mats to a mule vs keeping them on my farming toon/bank...... Don't know if there is any truth behind this or if its just rng...

There was with monstrous teeth. You could only ever get 120 a time and then.... you had to give them to someone and have them mail them to you and keep them in your mail. Try this with temp alloys and wax and see what happens. Seems to refresh the drop rate once you've got over about 15 of them.

Talemire

Acrolas wrote: »

It's a small chance per 10 items. More sets of 10 items give you more chances, but do not inherently increase your chances overall. Because luck is a cruel master.

But we weather the odds for that which we want. If you're wasting time, it's exactly that. You wasting time. One must learn to realize when to put down the hammer, take a break, and try again tomorrow. It's not ZOS's responsibility to make nature predictable. It's yours to learn that it is not.

You aren't, by chance, the individual who wrote the book on how to become good at rock/paper/scissors, are you?

Talemire

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

You do have the perks?

Yes. 3/3.

Talemire

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

How many temp alloys do you have in your bank / on toon?

I have 32 in my bank so far. 800+ reaped me two yesterday and one today. I am used to getting anywhere from 5-7 per 800+ ore.

Acrolas

Talemire wrote: »

You aren't, by chance, the individual who wrote the book on how to become good at rock/paper/scissors, are you?

No. In my case, the rock kept bleeding.

DRXHarbinger

Talemire wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

How many temp alloys do you have in your bank / on toon?

I have 32 in my bank so far. 800+ reaped me two yesterday and one today. I am used to getting anywhere from 5-7 per 800+ ore.

Give them to a trusted friend and have him mail them to you and keep them in your mail next time. May be a myth but I stopped getting Kuta altogether so tried this which refreshed monstrous tooth drop rates and writs started giving them to me again.

DRXHarbinger

Most likely cause though is zos have been spiteful to all of us due to the previous exploit.

Ch4mpTW

I noticed this too, but with all gold materials. Alloys, kutas, rosen, etc. I've recently went over a few stacks of fish (approximately 7 or 8) yesterday, and only received 2 or 3 perfect roe. I definitely believe the previous exploit that happened has something to do with this. Before typing this, I refined 2 stacks of ingots and received nothing. Not a single yellow. There's a definitely bug or nerf happening, and ZOS is keeping quiet on it. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Mind commenting on this, please?

Eiagra

Hrm. My understanding was that it was a dynamic droprate with a base chance. If the server has fewer in circulation, the chances increase slightly. If the server has many, the chances decrease slightly. I could be wrong, though.

Either way, I just refine as I get the materials to do so, and I've seen just enough gold tempers for them to be pleasant surprises, but not be frustrated at their lack.

Lord_Eomer

Similar is happening with me

DurzoBlint13

join the club. I have done 1640 ruby ore and got 1 alloy, and 1400 ore and got 2. Before Orsinium if did that I would have gotten at least 6-8 from each of those groups. It feels like they stealth nerf refining with every update. And those numbers are a hell of a lot better than what I have been getting for Dreugh wax lately. Over 2300 silk in the last week and only 1 wax......ONE WAX FROM 2300 raw silk! I know RNG is supposed to be random, but those numbers are a complete kick in the ass

mr1sho

Talemire wrote: »

Um... ZOS... Address this? RNG is good and all, but I don't enjoy wasting my time... Make it so we net a base value of 1 Tempering Alloy per stack of 200 refined ore... Please and thank you.

I'm going share a secret some of us crafters have known for a long time if you want alloys to drop you have to farm in in low area I get 2 to 3 alloys out of a stack of 250 iron just a tip to help

DRXHarbinger

^ that's a myth. Tried that and it's no different

sickboy2808

I have been saving all my raws since that survey bug, as knowing ZOS this is how they will treat the good players by nerfing these golds. Keep saving them for few more weeks is my advice

helediron

OP, that is refining as usual. You just had too small batch. Try with at least 5000. When i refine, it's quite usual to have 500 mats streaks getting nothing, and then several goldens rapidly. even dry spells of 1000 occurs occasionally.

Mythbusting:
- Moving goldens somewhere else is just a myth and superstition.
- All materials drop with same rate. Low levels giving more is a myth. Low levels giving less is a myth.
- Dynamic droprate is a myth.
- <insert rumor here>, i refined 200 and didn't get my golden, is a myth.
- <insert rumor here>, i refined 200 and got three goldens, is a myth.

All these myths fail when refining 10000 mats. Stop being silly.

Personofsecrets

loot generation in this game is seeded

mr1sho

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

^ that's a myth. Tried that and it's no different

It's not a myth I do this every couple days or so I would make a video but I don't want people in my farming area

failkiwib16_ESO

Well this is a year old thread, but I find it pretty useful still. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150087/1-6-1-numbers-for-refining-raw-materials

Last time I refined was before the exploit got fixed, so I don't know if they have changed anything since then. I am at the moment collecting & buying raw materials only, since I dislike refining small amounts.

idk

Talemire wrote: »

Um... ZOS... Address this? RNG is good and all, but I don't enjoy wasting my time... Make it so we net a base value of 1 Tempering Alloy per stack of 200 refined ore... Please and thank you.

It is an RNG issue. As such there is not a guarantee. Refined less than 600 Rub ore and recieved 3 gold matts. Just the luck of the draw.

Hamiltonmath

I agree that it is just RNG being strange. I refined 1200 Ancestor Silk and got 1 Wax and then refined 200 Rubedite and got 9 Temps.

helediron

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Well this is a year old thread, but I find it pretty useful still. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150087/1-6-1-numbers-for-refining-raw-materials

Last time I refined was before the exploit got fixed, so I don't know if they have changed anything since then. I am at the moment collecting & buying raw materials only, since I dislike refining small amounts.

The numbers are still valid. I have not seen any change during the year. I also tested PTS few days ago, and the droprates continue the same in DB. Overall rate from 16700 mats was 5.8% .

BTW, have you heard about Imperial Luck? Supposedly imperials get higher droprates. Guess what, it's a myth. I refined with high elf and sadly it was as lucky as my main crafter, which is imperial.

sekou_trayvond

And I got two alloy from 25 ore the other day.

It's math, people.

Numbers happen.

GreenhaloX

Hamiltonmath wrote: »

I agree that it is just RNG being strange. I refined 1200 Ancestor Silk and got 1 Wax and then refined 200 Rubedite and got 9 Temps.

That is pretty good on your rubedite, given the luck, or lack there of, that myself and Talemire have. So far, only came up with 30 temp alloys for me after refining just about 4000 rubedites. Made some good money selling those ingots thereafter, though. Kinda fun, though, mining those things. You see shining red.. and you're like.. ooooh, there's one. Then, it also good to see others running around trying to do the same.

codybrewer78b14_ESO

I have been refining raw materials of every type since launch and found the rate of getting tannins pretty steady. I had many surveys saved up since before the anniversary celebration and unfortunately only now had time to collect and refine. The rate I received tannins was noticeably lower, but the sample size was still to small to prove anything. However, I think it's reasonable to assume that they have nerfed the chance to get tannins from refining after the exploit flooded the market. It's just unfortunate timing for some of us.

xilfxlegion

it might be superstition but what i do is change locations if i refine 100 or and dont get anything. or i will log out and back in.

seems to work --- i usually average 3 alloys out of every stack of ore this way.