Refined 860 Rubedire Ore and reaped 1 Tempering Alloy

Talemire

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

This is CLEARLY L2P issue !

LOL :-D

Talemire

Well, from what I've read so far, I've gathered this:

1) It doesn't matter what kind of ore you refine
2) Each crafting session (entering crafting mode) is like rolling a DnD die

So I'll just go somewhere with plentiful harvest, regardless of ore level, then refine 2 or 3 times to see if I gain anything right away, then if not, exit crafting mode and try again.

ntheogenic

Talemire wrote: »

Well, from what I've read so far, I've gathered this:

1) It doesn't matter what kind of ore you refine
2) Each crafting session (entering crafting mode) is like rolling a DnD die

So I'll just go somewhere with plentiful harvest, regardless of ore level, then refine 2 or 3 times to see if I gain anything right away, then if not, exit crafting mode and try again.

Yes. Except that 2) is just another myth

Tryxus

I just refined the 10 Rubedite Ore I got from my hireling, and got a Temp Alloy from refining those...

Curtdogg47

Alloy's are always the hardest for me to get.

Nestor

ntheogenic wrote: »

Yes. Except that 2) is just another myth

It may or may not be a myth. But it has happened to me too many times where I have done a 100 Raw and gotten no tempers at all, and other times I get a nice return of Tempers. Too many times I have exited the station and restarted the process to get a higher frequency of tempers back. Now, I have gotten the same or less doing this too. But, the Temper Return rate does change from one session to another.

I think what is happening is the RNG factor is determined when you activate the station, and that factor is applied to the chance to get the temper. It make sense from a programming standpoint to have it work this way, although there is no reason as to why it should.

WillhelmBlack

Same problem, definitely changed since the old days.

Grunim

Personofsecrets wrote: »

loot generation in this game is seeded

Could you explain in layman's terms what seeded loot generation means in this context.

DaveMoeDee

Talemire wrote: »

Um... ZOS... Address this? RNG is good and all, but I don't enjoy wasting my time... Make it so we net a base value of 1 Tempering Alloy per stack of 200 refined ore... Please and thank you.

Then it would not be random.

Either random is okay or it isn't.

DaveMoeDee

xilfxlegion wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

it might be superstition but what i do is change locations if i refine 100 or and dont get anything. or i will log out and back in.

seems to work --- i usually average 3 alloys out of every stack of ore this way.

Haaa.. thanks for the tip. I will have to try this. See if it works as for you. I been dropping 1000 each time at one locale.

another thing i do is if i do 100 ore and dont get anything i will walk away from the anvil to reset it, this seems to work sometimes also.

"Seems to work sometimes" means does absolutely nothing but sometimes afterwards you get a good random number or two and sometimes you don't regardless.

Personofsecrets

Grunim wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

loot generation in this game is seeded

Could you explain in layman's terms what seeded loot generation means in this context.

Basically what @Talemire said.

" 2) Each crafting session (entering crafting mode) is like rolling a DnD die"

This is why some people get the same stuff over and over when opening mass undaunted chests or IC containers too. Some people even used to think that loot was based off of rolls tied to the specific servers that players are connected to. I don't necessarily believe in seeding to that extent, but I still see instanced RNG sessions happening like Talemire says.

Pigment

This has happened to me, and lately they seem to be getting harder and harder to get, however a week or so ago I refined 240-ish ore and got 3 lol

ntheogenic

Nestor wrote: »

ntheogenic wrote: »

Yes. Except that 2) is just another myth

It may or may not be a myth. But it has happened to me too many times where I have done a 100 Raw and gotten no tempers at all, and other times I get a nice return of Tempers. Too many times I have exited the station and restarted the process to get a higher frequency of tempers back. Now, I have gotten the same or less doing this too. But, the Temper Return rate does change from one session to another.

I think what is happening is the RNG factor is determined when you activate the station, and that factor is applied to the chance to get the temper. It make sense from a programming standpoint to have it work this way, although there is no reason as to why it should.

It does not make any sense.

If it was implemented this way, it would be a HUGE vulnerability that could easily be exploited.

Buy 500K raw materials, wait for the "good" session, refine and crash the market.

It does not work that way. I always refine larger numbers and I have very little deviations from the statistical average (which is in line with what some other guys have already posted: 5% per refinement step).

Talemire

The discussion here is healthy and good. I'm glad I'm not the only one having a problem.

OrphanHelgen

Should be 0,5% increase chance of getting temper each refineing, and resets when you get it.

notimetocare

RNG is RNG, why do people always cry like magically they should expect a minimum standard?

Marktoneth3

RNG in my term

It's like I work so hard to fix all the bug in ESO.

But end up get the same salary as those idiot lazy *** who never even want to touch the game.

nimander99

Termpering Alloy is the hardest Legendary mat to get bar none. Everyone know this, including ZoS. For w/e reason they want the metal upgrade yellow to be rarest in game...

Personofsecrets

RNG just doesnt exist. Something has to create the RNG and that is what we should look into.

If a dice is weighted, we don't just call it RNG, but that is how ESO loot works, like a weighted dice.

Conquistador

ROFL; WINNER OF THE CRAPPIEST RNG IN MMO HISTORY.

DisgracefulMind

I just got 5 from 400 ore yesterday. It's complete rng

Duiwel

Ever since mid TG I have found the RNG to be terrible as well...

I now wait until i have over 1,6k mats and then I mass improve the mats, funny thing is I might not get any I might get a ton. One time not too long ago I just had 20 mats I needed the space so I refined them, got 1 D Wax from the first stack I was like... You have got to be kidding me

pod88kk

You can thank RNJesus for that

KaleidoscopeEyz

Honestly, I feel like I get a lot more out of the lower materials vs the rubedite. I refined 200 rubedite hide and got no gold tempers. I refined 200 hide scraps and got 3. It could just be RNG but this type of situation plays out for me rather frequently. It is NEVER the other way around.

failkiwib16_ESO

@Sunver that village you mentioned earlier, I need to get there to chant over the fire for better crops ..just bought raw mats for my last million x_x

Reevster

Just thank the exploiters for having more gold mats then they should have. No doubt , those mules with stacks of golds are affecting the rate during refining.

RocDonald

I generally give all of my mats from leveling my low level characters to my main crafter. It seems having a variety of ores, hide scraps, wood or cloth gives me slightly better luck. If I strike out x amount of times on one ore I switch to another. But most likely it's just luck.

EsoRecon

doubt it

Jimbullbee85

I'm close to calling it a day with the writs as well. I'm hardly getting a thing. Used to get a legendary temper for each writ every other day or so. Now I'm lucky to get one per week. Dropping the rates that we can find them is just one method that zenimax is using to keep us playing the game (which is understandible) but unfortunately for new players, the point where they become competive in pvp is getting further away with every patch. I'm not sure the developers can see that they are making the rich players richer by increasing demand and cost of materials and making it incredibly hard for new vet16's to progress. Players with specific aspirations for their characters will eventually get bored of the bar changing and move onto another game leaving those who are already at that point bored with the lack of competition. This might be however, the early signs of the legendary tempers eventually being available in the crown store.

swirve

Ive not had a gold resin ftom refining since tg launched...thousands refined. I have given up now.