Crating Bag Exclusivity is Unfair

ADarklore

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It's the whole big topic on Xbox One and why are they trying to go digital when a large customer base plans to buy...play and trade later. They aren't looking to sub. That's the whole big issue with Xbox live, psn and this games subs.
The whole point subs were removed from all three literally is because of this.

It's not opinion not my word against yours. It's the market we are in right now. It's a matter of fact and not opinion.

So ppl want bags and just read the threads here and the comments within. There is a clear sperately of those saying...if I can't just buy it I won't have it. Then you have those saying I might sub again if they add the bag. You also have a group who will sub for doc and buy lots of crown items and buy more crown items.

We can talk theory and we can discuss what this companies says or another but bottom
Line. This game dropped a sub for a reason. Ppl complained about ESO plus for a reason and ppl complained about more bank slots for over 2 years. Folks who buy crowns and folks who sub both want the bag. There is absolutely no logic or reason for either customer to be excluded.

I always love it how people create 'facts' with no actual 'facts' to back them up. Please post actual facts- as in direct quotes from ZOS stating the reason they dropped subs- otherwise it is all speculation, assumption and rumor-mongering.

DaveMoeDee

"I enjoy ESO"

ZOS adds a great feature to ESO that I do not have access to unless I sub.

"I no longer enjoy ESO"
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I'm glad my mind doesn't work that way.

hammayolettuce

Hurry for me! More bank and bag space finally!!

Jesh

This is ridiculous.
ZOS are incentivising people to subscribe. One of those incentives is crafting bags. This is one of the perks for premium subscription membership, which is what ESO Plus is. If you want the perks related to being a premium member, become a member and subscribe. If you don't want it enough to subscribe, then you don't want it enough. Some people will want it enough to subscribe, some people will like it enough not to unsubscribe. Those are the target market, and you are not it.
I was very much thinking about unsubscribing and just purchasing DLC (with crowns my subscription gave me), now I will probably stay subscribed for a good while longer, because this I think makes ESO Plus premium membership more worthwhile (other perks were only ok). Well played ZOS, well played...

Jimbullbee85

I don't understand why sub holders are being so defensive! No one wants to take anything from us. Players just want to pay for the extra content we get for "free". If it was something less valuable then I don't think anyone would be making a fuss about it but the crafting bag is going to be a huge benefit which should be available to everyone. Free for subscribers and on sale for everyone else. Sounds to me like my fellow subs are being very bitter. Maybe we don't get enough for what we pay for but that's our problem. As a guild master I know many of my non sub guild mates (who spend alot of time and money on this game) will be furious enough to move onto another game.

DaveMoeDee

If you choose to sub, there is risk. If you choose buy DLC outright there is risk. Deal with it when the option you chose has negatives.

For example, since I bought DLC outright, I can come and go as I will from the game and I will always have access to that content without paying for it again. The risk of this approach is that a useful feature would be added to the sub and I would end up subbing and the money I spent on the DLC would have been wasted. This is actually not a bit deal to me since crowns regularly go on sale 5500 for $25 which means I have been able to access all the DLC since the first one of those sales for waaaaay less than I would have spend on a sub.

People who sub get access to everything and some perks, but if they want to take a break for a month, they will at the very least end up wasting a few weeks of paid time. When they come back, despite all the money they sank into the game, they will have only the base game. If they saved their crowns, they could always buy their favorite DLC or any new DLC, but paying $16 for 1500 crowns is a horrible price compared to 5500 for $24.

People who don't sub like to talk about all the money they have spent on crowns but anything apart from DLC that you spend crowns on doesn't matter in this discussion since people with subs had to also spend crowns to get that.

So this is the real math:

If you subbed for the last quarter, you spent $48 for 3 x 1500 + 2500 (value of DLC) crowns or 7000 crowns. Of course, if you end your sub, you essentially lose the 2500 crowns. To simplify, we can just assume that this person will sub indefinitely.

If you didn't sub but bought the DLC, you spent 2500 crowns. If you are smart, you bought your crowns on sale $24 for 5500 crowns. To get the same access to DLC for 1 quarter, you essentially paid less that $12. If you would have spent the same $48 that the subber spent, you would have 11000 crowns, enough for a full year of DLC.

I think my future with this game will be subbing 1 month when DLC comes out and then not spending much time with the game in between DLC. The crafting bags appeal to me too much and I probably should to cut down my time in the game in-between content drops.

clayandaudrey_ESO

This thread reminds me of another one.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/145474/this-game-is-not-going-free-to-play

Acrolas

Taisynn wrote: »

Seriously. What about this being a nice incentive for people who lose their investment once they stop
paying?

You are all paying cheaper something you keep forever.

Subscribers are paying more for something temporary.

It is NOT equal.

Except it is.

One day, let's say for argument's sake November 31, 2026, the servers will go offline, and no matter how much anyone spent on this game, nobody will have anything to show for it. It's all temporary. Nobody in this game gets something forever.

Everyone exits the game, forcibly or not, with empty hands. Some will call it an investment in subjective terms of fun, enjoyment, or memories. But I call recurring payments with zero return a sunk cost. That's a fact you can record on a ledger. You'll never recover any of the time or money you spent on a game and that deep down frightens people. And it should. It's a powerful concept.

But I think the non-existential point people are trying to make is that the crafting bags do not solve inventory problems as a whole and should not for a moment be considered a long-term solution.

Gidorick

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

"I enjoy ESO"

ZOS adds a great feature to ESO that I do not have access to unless I sub.

"I no longer enjoy ESO"
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I'm glad my mind doesn't work that way.

It's a little more complicated than you're making it. Inventory has been a source of fun-ruining annoyance for a long time @DaveMoeDee . Many threads have been made about it. Some of them have been from me.

For me it's more like...

"I would enjoy ESO a lot more if I didn't have to worry about inventory so much"

• My thread about wanting more inventory options in ESO and suggesting some solutions (April 2015): http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162693/limited-bags-crafting-bags-encumbrance-concepts/p1

"Man, I want to stay subscribed but ESO isn't really worth it."

• My thread offering ZOS a handful of suggestions that would better incentivize ESO+ and make ESO+ members feel "special" (February 2015 ): http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150450/eso-subscription-benefits-suggestions/p1
• My last ditch thread before I dropped ESO+ (I really didn't want to unsub but couldn't justify staying an ESO+ member-April 2015): http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166473/so-my-subscription-has-2-weeks-left-last-plea-for-a-better-eso/p1

ZOS announces a feature called "Crafting Bags"

• My thread suggesting how Crafting Bags could be implemented so that they remain exclusive to ESO+ members but aren't "forcing" players to remain subscribed less they loose access to their Crafting Bags (August 2015): http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212349/an-idea-for-how-crafting-bags-could-be-implemented-for-eso-members/p1

ZOS releases details on the Crafting Bags and places them on the PTS (April 2016)

"Man... I feel like the only way I can get relief from my inventory problems is by subbing again. That's not so much a reward as it is a punishment for not being subbed. That kind of makes me feel like they are taking advantage of the fact that their inventory system is cumbersome. I have already bought all the DLC with cash and really like the collectors editions they release with the mount and extra goodies. Gee... It's not a good feeling when it seems like someone is trying to take advantage of you."

And I end on:

"So now my inventory sucks (as it always has) and the only way to help that is to commit to give ZOS money every month for as long as I want to play ESO and just write off the money I spent buying Imperial City, Orsinium, and Thieves Guild DLC."

So no, we're not making up an issue in light of the Crafting Bags. We're upset that an issue that ZOS created, one that has been complained about on the forums since just about day one of ESO, is being capitalized upon in such a way that gives players only ONE option on how they want to consume ESO... if they don't want to deal with the cumbersome inventory, that is.

Jimbullbee85

Jesh wrote: »

This is ridiculous.
ZOS are incentivising people to subscribe. One of those incentives is crafting bags. This is one of the perks for premium subscription membership, which is what ESO Plus is. If you want the perks related to being a premium member, become a member and subscribe. If you don't want it enough to subscribe, then you don't want it enough. Some people will want it enough to subscribe, some people will like it enough not to unsubscribe. Those are the target market, and you are not it.
I was very much thinking about unsubscribing and just purchasing DLC (with crowns my subscription gave me), now I will probably stay subscribed for a good while longer, because this I think makes ESO Plus premium membership more worthwhile (other perks were only ok). Well played ZOS, well played...

It's too late in the game for ZOS to be "playing games" like this when non sub holders have already paid out for DLC content. It's a cheap and quite frank a nasty tactic to hold non subscribers to ransom. They should be making subscription more advantageous in other ways than this. I think they've realised that sub holders (like me) have realised that we simply don't get enough value for our money. I mean... 5000 crowns for Ancient orc motif (which I've been farming for far too long for) it's a rip off anyway for something aesthetic but would be nice if subs got at least a decent discount. They've probably reduced the drop rate for stuff like this too.

me_ming

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

If it was something less valuable then I don't think anyone would be making a fuss about it but the crafting bag is going to be a huge benefit which should be available to everyone

I think the main reason why the crafting bags are sub only is because it IS a valuable feature. No one would sub if it was anything of less value. The concept is to get people to sub, and sustain that subscription, not for people to buy it for crowns one-time and be done with it. That's why you loose the bag if you don't renew your subscription. Or else, everyone will just sub for a month or two (maybe save up some crowns), buy them and then unsubscribe. The free DLC access and the crafting bags are features that will make people want to subscribe and sustain that subscription.

Riggsy

Does anyone know what happens to the loot you stash in the crafting bag if your subscription lapses?

Vulsahdaal

Riggsy wrote: »

Does anyone know what happens to the loot you stash in the crafting bag if your subscription lapses?

You can still access the loot that remains in the bag, but you cant add any more into the bag..

me_ming

me_ming wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

If it was something less valuable then I don't think anyone would be making a fuss about it but the crafting bag is going to be a huge benefit which should be available to everyone

I think the main reason why the crafting bags are sub only is because it IS a valuable feature. No one would sub if it was anything of less value. The concept is to get people to sub, and sustain that subscription, not for people to buy it for crowns one-time and be done with it. That's why you loose the bag if you don't renew your subscription. Or else, everyone will just sub for a month or two (maybe save up some crowns), buy them and then unsubscribe. The free DLC access and the crafting bags are features that will make people want to subscribe and sustain that subscription.

Volkodav

Xundiin wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Crafting Material Bags: These bags have enough spaces to hold one stack of every type of material for the specific craft. Only the specific craft’s materials can be placed within the corresponding bag.

1. Alchemist Satchel (1500 Crowns)
2. Blacksmith’s Haversack (1500 Crowns)
3. Clothier’s Tote (1500 Crowns)
4. Enchanter’s Purse (1500 Crowns)
5. Provisioner’s Knapsack (1500 Crowns)
6. Woodworker’s Duffel (1500 Crowns)

This isn't a bad Idea. It's low enough that it doesn't devalue the sub bag, but gives something to people who do not want to Sub. This would still promote the incentive to Sub.

Either this or 1 bag with 100 slots. for 5000 crowns.

Not for 5000 crowns.If the bag was infinite,then yes. You agreed that GIidorick's idea was sound,with it's low pricing.But then you say 1 bag with only 100 slots for far bigger proce than what Gidorick was offering as a solution.
I am with Gidorick on those prices. One can easily purchase enough for some of them.I would buy three.The Blacksmith,the Clothier,and the Woodworker bags,as those are what I gather my mats for.
However,since I sub,it is of no issue for me regarding pricing.I was thinking of other people,like those who arent able to just shell out $40.00 for 5000 crowns.

Gidorick

Gidorick wrote: »

Crafting Material Bags: These bags have enough spaces to hold one stack of every type of material for the specific craft. Only the specific craft’s materials can be placed within the corresponding bag.

1. Alchemist Satchel (1500 Crowns)
2. Blacksmith’s Haversack (1500 Crowns)
3. Clothier’s Tote (1500 Crowns)
4. Enchanter’s Purse (1500 Crowns)
5. Provisioner’s Knapsack (1500 Crowns)
6. Woodworker’s Duffel (1500 Crowns)

Xundiin wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Crafting Material Bags: These bags have enough spaces to hold one stack of every type of material for the specific craft. Only the specific craft’s materials can be placed within the corresponding bag.

1. Alchemist Satchel (1500 Crowns)
2. Blacksmith’s Haversack (1500 Crowns)
3. Clothier’s Tote (1500 Crowns)
4. Enchanter’s Purse (1500 Crowns)
5. Provisioner’s Knapsack (1500 Crowns)
6. Woodworker’s Duffel (1500 Crowns)

This isn't a bad Idea. It's low enough that it doesn't devalue the sub bag, but gives something to people who do not want to Sub. This would still promote the incentive to Sub.

Either this or 1 bag with 100 slots. for 5000 crowns.

Thanks @Xundiin , I really wish ZOS would pay attention to some of us "Armchair Developers". There is always a solution to any problem that exists. Non-subs feel ESO+ Crafting Bags being exclusive is unfair yet ESO+ members want the bags to remain exclusive? Fine! Give non-ESO+ players a way to purchase SIMILAR benefits but not exactly the same benefits.

If these bags were implemented exactly as I have outlined in my thread suggesting bags HERE they would function VERY differently than the ESO+ bag. They would be inventory items themselves, so a player could throw all their crafting mats in the bag, move that bag to their bank and pick it up with another character. They could also theoretically buy a bag for each character and the bank so ZOS could see a lot of sales from that.

They wouldn't be shared across all characters automatically like the ESO+ bags. They would function more like an actual bag than a portable crafting material bank.

Jesh

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

It's too late in the game for ZOS to be "playing games" like this when non sub holders have already paid out for DLC content. It's a cheap and quite frank a nasty tactic to hold non subscribers to ransom. They should be making subscription more advantageous in other ways than this. I think they've realised that sub holders (like me) have realised that we simply don't get enough value for our money. I mean... 5000 crowns for Ancient orc motif (which I've been farming for far too long for) it's a rip off anyway for something aesthetic but would be nice if subs got at least a decent discount. They've probably reduced the drop rate for stuff like this too.

How are they 'playing games'? We are playing their game. They are offering us different ways, at different price points to play their game. Prices are always going to be evolving, how can they not? And no one has forced anyone to buy anything.
Ancient Orc is available in game in 3 ways to you: 1. grind that SoB!, 2. buy that bad boy in a guild store, 3. bite the bullet and fla$h that ca$h for the motif book. Its up to you to choose the way you want to acquire this content (or not, if it doesn't interest you). You spend your time, virtual money, and real money as you see fit.
No one is holding anyone to ransom! We are all here because we want to and have chosen to be here. What kind of way is that of approaching this issue?
If you personally are not getting enough value, for YOU, out of the sub, then you should really unsubscribe. If you are not unsubscribing its either because you don't care about $15 a month (fair enough) OR you are finding enough value in the sub, on some level. Either way, no one is forcing your hand or a non-subscribers' hands. There are different ways to play this game that make it accessible to lots of people, and I think that's great.

NewBlacksmurf

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ADarklore wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It's the whole big topic on Xbox One and why are they trying to go digital when a large customer base plans to buy...play and trade later. They aren't looking to sub. That's the whole big issue with Xbox live, psn and this games subs.
The whole point subs were removed from all three literally is because of this.

It's not opinion not my word against yours. It's the market we are in right now. It's a matter of fact and not opinion.

So ppl want bags and just read the threads here and the comments within. There is a clear sperately of those saying...if I can't just buy it I won't have it. Then you have those saying I might sub again if they add the bag. You also have a group who will sub for doc and buy lots of crown items and buy more crown items.

We can talk theory and we can discuss what this companies says or another but bottom
Line. This game dropped a sub for a reason. Ppl complained about ESO plus for a reason and ppl complained about more bank slots for over 2 years. Folks who buy crowns and folks who sub both want the bag. There is absolutely no logic or reason for either customer to be excluded.

I always love it how people create 'facts' with no actual 'facts' to back them up. Please post actual facts- as in direct quotes from ZOS stating the reason they dropped subs- otherwise it is all speculation, assumption and rumor-mongering.

"Our fans are our biggest inspiration, and we’ve listened to their feedback on the entertainment experience they want," Game Director Matt Firor says. "We know that Elder Scrolls fans want choice when it comes to how they play and how they pay, and that is what they will get. We have made numerous changes to the game over the past year, and are confident this is a game that Elder Scrolls fans will love to play."

“New MMOs need time to grow, adapt to their audience, balance gameplay, etc., and they just don’t get that amount of time before their subscriber base plummets to return to a different game. ESO was already not very fun to begin with, and we noticed a dip in population within the first month of playing, so it was only a matter of time before it went free-to-play”, explains Bradley from What’s Your Tag.

It is hard to track the numbers to display this decline in player interest, but we can piece together disparate data to show the drop in subscribers.

Being a private company, Bethesda is not beholden to anyone to release revenue data, but analyst firm SuperData says that subscribers as of June 2014 – or two months after release – numbered around 772,000.

This is woefully low compared to the 5 million players that registered for The Elder Scrolls Online beta, or the estimated 1.2 million players that may have bought both digital and physical copies.

Have you been around long to just read and watch ESO live? They say on there Yes consoles are why we dropped the sub. http://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/3711373

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/04/26/elder-scrolls-online-subscription-removal-response/


http://www.killerguides.net/blog/mmorpg/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-subscriptions-tanked


http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2015/01/21/elder-scrolls-online-goes-free-to-play-surprising-no-one/#602cb2b528d2

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-drops-subscription/

Volkodav

Jesh wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

It's too late in the game for ZOS to be "playing games" like this when non sub holders have already paid out for DLC content. It's a cheap and quite frank a nasty tactic to hold non subscribers to ransom. They should be making subscription more advantageous in other ways than this. I think they've realised that sub holders (like me) have realised that we simply don't get enough value for our money. I mean... 5000 crowns for Ancient orc motif (which I've been farming for far too long for) it's a rip off anyway for something aesthetic but would be nice if subs got at least a decent discount. They've probably reduced the drop rate for stuff like this too.

How are they 'playing games'? We are playing their game. They are offering us different ways, at different price points to play their game. Prices are always going to be evolving, how can they not? And no one has forced anyone to buy anything.
Ancient Orc is available in game in 3 ways to you: 1. grind that SoB!, 2. buy that bad boy in a guild store, 3. bite the bullet and fla$h that ca$h for the motif book. Its up to you to choose the way you want to acquire this content (or not, if it doesn't interest you). You spend your time, virtual money, and real money as you see fit.
No one is holding anyone to ransom! We are all here because we want to and have chosen to be here. What kind of way is that of approaching this issue?
If you personally are not getting enough value, for YOU, out of the sub, then you should really unsubscribe. If you are not unsubscribing its either because you don't care about $15 a month (fair enough) OR you are finding enough value in the sub, on some level. Either way, no one is forcing your hand or a non-subscribers' hands. There are different ways to play this game that make it accessible to lots of people, and I think that's great.

I like this.
Too many people go on about being forced into something ingame.This just is not true,as stated above perfectly.It is our choice as to what we pay for,what is worth purchasing.

Gidorick

Volkodav wrote: »

Jesh wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

It's too late in the game for ZOS to be "playing games" like this when non sub holders have already paid out for DLC content. It's a cheap and quite frank a nasty tactic to hold non subscribers to ransom. They should be making subscription more advantageous in other ways than this. I think they've realised that sub holders (like me) have realised that we simply don't get enough value for our money. I mean... 5000 crowns for Ancient orc motif (which I've been farming for far too long for) it's a rip off anyway for something aesthetic but would be nice if subs got at least a decent discount. They've probably reduced the drop rate for stuff like this too.

How are they 'playing games'? We are playing their game. They are offering us different ways, at different price points to play their game. Prices are always going to be evolving, how can they not? And no one has forced anyone to buy anything.
Ancient Orc is available in game in 3 ways to you: 1. grind that SoB!, 2. buy that bad boy in a guild store, 3. bite the bullet and fla$h that ca$h for the motif book. Its up to you to choose the way you want to acquire this content (or not, if it doesn't interest you). You spend your time, virtual money, and real money as you see fit.
No one is holding anyone to ransom! We are all here because we want to and have chosen to be here. What kind of way is that of approaching this issue?
If you personally are not getting enough value, for YOU, out of the sub, then you should really unsubscribe. If you are not unsubscribing its either because you don't care about $15 a month (fair enough) OR you are finding enough value in the sub, on some level. Either way, no one is forcing your hand or a non-subscribers' hands. There are different ways to play this game that make it accessible to lots of people, and I think that's great.

I like this.
Too many people go on about being forced into something ingame.This just is not true,as stated above perfectly.It is our choice as to what we pay for,what is worth purchasing.

And we would purchase the crafting bag... if it were available for purchase.

Jesh

Gidorick wrote: »

And we would purchase the crafting bag... if it were available for purchase.

And you can! For $15 a month!

Jimbullbee85

Jesh wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

And we would purchase the crafting bag... if it were available for purchase.

And you can! For $15 a month!

Not if you're a youngster and don't have a way of paying monthly. Parents arent going to pay a monthy fee ontop of console membership when their kids could go off onto another game next week. Not everyone has the means or the regular income to pay extra monthly fee.

Volkodav

Gidorick wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Jesh wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

It's too late in the game for ZOS to be "playing games" like this when non sub holders have already paid out for DLC content. It's a cheap and quite frank a nasty tactic to hold non subscribers to ransom. They should be making subscription more advantageous in other ways than this. I think they've realised that sub holders (like me) have realised that we simply don't get enough value for our money. I mean... 5000 crowns for Ancient orc motif (which I've been farming for far too long for) it's a rip off anyway for something aesthetic but would be nice if subs got at least a decent discount. They've probably reduced the drop rate for stuff like this too.

How are they 'playing games'? We are playing their game. They are offering us different ways, at different price points to play their game. Prices are always going to be evolving, how can they not? And no one has forced anyone to buy anything.
Ancient Orc is available in game in 3 ways to you: 1. grind that SoB!, 2. buy that bad boy in a guild store, 3. bite the bullet and fla$h that ca$h for the motif book. Its up to you to choose the way you want to acquire this content (or not, if it doesn't interest you). You spend your time, virtual money, and real money as you see fit.
No one is holding anyone to ransom! We are all here because we want to and have chosen to be here. What kind of way is that of approaching this issue?
If you personally are not getting enough value, for YOU, out of the sub, then you should really unsubscribe. If you are not unsubscribing its either because you don't care about $15 a month (fair enough) OR you are finding enough value in the sub, on some level. Either way, no one is forcing your hand or a non-subscribers' hands. There are different ways to play this game that make it accessible to lots of people, and I think that's great.

I like this.
Too many people go on about being forced into something ingame.This just is not true,as stated above perfectly.It is our choice as to what we pay for,what is worth purchasing.

And we would purchase the crafting bag... if it were available for purchase.

Which is fine. Purchasing it isnt a problem with me.I keep saying this,but no one listens.

Jesh

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Not if you're a youngster and don't have a way of paying monthly. Not everyone has the means or the regular income to pay monthly.

Absolutely. That's why nothing essential is cut-off to non-subscribers. Everyone must adapt to their means/lifestyle/needs in game (and in life more generally, right?). Craft bags are a luxury in this game, a perk available with premium membership. If you think they are valuable enough to warrant a once a month $15 purchase, then go for it. If, for you, they are not worth that, then don't.

Svalinn

I will say now why this tread has become either completely pointless or even "dangerous":

WHY DANGEROUS?

Because in the remote case that ZOS decides to listen to OP and makes the bag available in the Cash Shop they will totally *** off the great majority of the actual subscribers and they would lose a tons of players/subscribers/money to make some "random income guys" happy.

WHY POINTLESS?

Because if ZOS does not make the bag available in the Cash Shop... they will maybe lose a very few players that are a "non sure form of income" for the company, they will get those "not sure income" money back as a sure income from new subscribers and,, at the same time, the majority of people will completly forget this issue even existed with a little bit of time so... there will be absolutly no change for anyone but a very few number of people; and since it's crystal clear what would be the negative thing happening if they changed their mind now, you should just give up and close this tread because, as i already said, it's totally pointless since it will bring absolutly NO CHANGE in ANY POSSIBLE WAY, and will only keep generating flames because instead of beeing a constructive kind of tread, it's a personal war against ZOS from the very first post.

Give it up: no matter how long this discussion keeps going on you will never win because if you "win" it'll be a "lose-lose" situation for everyone were a few people will get a totally unnecessary item in term of ability to play the game in exchange for a massive decrease in subscribers for zenimax... and this will end up hindering the game even for the people, like the OP, that obtained their petty bag.

IT
WILL
NOT
HAPPEN

exeeter702

Dahkoht wrote: »

Mercymae wrote: »

Psst the whole reason they are doing it for the subs is they want more people to sub. A reliable revenue stream is what you take to your higher ups (ya know those guys in suits who only care that the game is profitable) There should be some sort of option for non subs to get some sort of crafting bag even if its limited to like 100 slots. But since they are basing off of a revenue standpoint it may be awhile before we see that. If subs don't increase due to the bag, we can just about guarantee it will be available in the crown store.

You are trying to introduce logic and sound economic practices to a whining , bratty , I deserve what I want for what I want to pay for it , crowd that just cannot grasp such concepts.

Yep I've tried as well, but my very solid posts are lost in the early pages of this thread, it amazes me how many people here are confused.

Solid_Metal

Zweible wrote: »

People have reasons for not subscribing. No credit card.....

THIS...!

make paying subs possible with steam wallet pls ZoS !

Jimbullbee85

I can't believe how petty everyone sounds. A subscription is about what we get as part of that subscription not what other players don't have access to. If non subs want to fight it let them. At the end of the day it's up to ZOS what they do. That's doesn't mean everyone has to be happy about it. If ZOS make the bag available in the crown store and subs leave the game over a stupid grudge thats their loss.

Justice31st

Buffler wrote: »

Its absolutely fair. ESO + subscribers dont really get any worthwhile perks. We just pay a sub out of blind loyalty. Its about time we got something useful

^This.

Callous2208

A few questions.
1. If they eventually break and offer this bag in the crown store, is it right to assume they will have to offer another sub perk since we will be back to the frankly *** exclusive perks that exist now?
2. What type of items will the b2p non-sub crowd be okay with them adding, if anything?
3. Will the non-sub crowd cry and moan regardless of what new item they add, unless it's some trash incentive they don't want anyway?
4. Will the non-sub crowd cry and moan unless any new incentive that is appealing, is also placed on the crown store, devaluing the sub back to it's current state?