NA PC BWB second attempt

kit_sune

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

That's exactly why I keep you on payroll.

I mean, deep, deep off-the-record payroll, obviously.

I have to keep my Flame Atronach Erotica supply going somehow

Stridig

It got quiet in here the last couple hours. I need some entertainment while I'm at work.

W0lf_z13

@Stridig , @DeadlyRecluse , @Adenoma ... apparently... just noticed that that kid left the wolfpack ... gonna delete my posts from it

Lumsdenml

Stridig wrote: »

Somebody did push-ups on my face last night. And I'd was not face to face push-ups. And it was not a 1v1. Seems I have a new enemy. Lol. Can't wait to find them alone.

Chicka Chicka Bow wowwwwwww....

Lumsdenml

vamp_emily wrote: »

skepticalfox wrote: »

during the ash siege and he pst me saying "you better run"

hmmm.. sounds like something I would say

Someone from AD killed me and Wolf, yesterday at Glade, then whispered me "Emily, why can't we just be friends?".

I replied, "Sure we can.. come see me". I was planning his death when I said that.

Glad you clarified in the end, wasn't sure where that one was going!

Stridig

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

Somebody did push-ups on my face last night. And I'd was not face to face push-ups. And it was not a 1v1. Seems I have a new enemy. Lol. Can't wait to find them alone.

Chicka Chicka Bow wowwwwwww....

Haha. I know! For some reason I felt like a Prince song should have been playing in the background.

ŞσƦѦ

Adenoma wrote: »

Do you ever just enjoy the game?

Yes but only if there are multiple zergs to hold my hand and play the game for me.

Lumsdenml

I know that a lot of people throw the Z word around (zerg), but does anyone else love large scale battles? At times on the forum (not just this thread, but across the entire community) there seems to be an elitist mindset that says, "large groups are for bad players, I only run in 4 man groups." I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, don't get me wrong (Sora, this isn't about you, your post just got me thinking! ), it just seems to be prevalent. And I appreciate that this game is flexible enough to be enjoyed however you want to enjoy it, but I just never see people come out and say they love the 24 v 24 (or more) group fights...

basement_ghost

I don't get how everyone seems to acknowledge EP is currently the worst faction and talk about campaign etiquette and yet some folks don't seem to think twice about camping our trikeep, while we're already ~200 points behind both factions one day into the campaign.

ŞσƦѦ

The thing with zergs is individual "skill", competence, knowledge, etc is nullified by pure numbers. It isn't fun to me to try my hardest to get a hit on someone before they die to a massive zerg & I don't feel any gratification or enjoyment out of steam rolling people with pure numbers. Sure if the numbers are somewhat even and both factions are zerging then it can be somewhat enjoyable, but even then I just don't find it very fun... goes back to the first statement; it doesn't matter how good you are, pure numbers will eventually prevail.

W0lf_z13

THAT was AMAZING battle at ales... that was fun as HELL!!!!

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W0lf_z13 wrote: »

THAT was AMAZING battle at ales... that was fun as HELL!!!!

Heck yeah man, crashed their party from behind. Pretty insane that on a Tuesday night AD is population locked in BwB lol.

vamp_emily

Apparently EP can't do anything ( even with 3 bars ) unless DC has Emp.

They might as well just change it to AvA.

Adenoma

AD is pop locked and both other factions are at high pop. Also, if we're talking numbers vs. skill, I think that there are some big reality checks that need be said - both in regard to this particular game's design and the real world. First off, the developers have elected to market the game about large scale combat. To a lot of people, being in a large group crashing into another large group feels pretty epic. In that context, it being a literal numbers game makes quite a bit of sense.

And the reality check is that in most warfare, Napoleonic and prior, the prevailing strategy was to amass superior numbers than the other army at a single point. We remember things like Thermopylae as extraordinary because it's the exception to historical rule where numbers were somewhat neutralized (albeit, numbers won that in the end).

So I get that it's a video game and people are salty for whatever reason because opposing alliances amassed greater numbers at X or Y time, but I really hate to hear people disparage zergs or say that it neutralizes skill. I mean, tonight we rolled 12 deep and pretty casually backdoored DC at Aleswell before dying in double negates, then flipped Glademist, then Warden. Larger groups get things done - and when they're organized like we are they get even more done. I think that it doesn't eliminate skill, it just shows a different type of skill.

Not everyone gets off on 1vX, not everyone gets off on XvX. It's weird to me that people think that others should have to enjoy the game the same way that they do or otherwise that person is lesser.

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Adenoma wrote: »

I mean, tonight we rolled 12 deep and pretty casually backdoored DC at Aleswell before dying in double negates, then flipped Glademist, then Warden. Larger groups get things done - and when they're organized like we are they get even more done. I think that it doesn't eliminate skill, it just shows a different type of skill.

Not everyone gets off on 1vX, not everyone gets off on XvX. It's weird to me that people think that others should have to enjoy the game the same way that they do or otherwise that person is lesser.

Glade and Warden as well as Aleswell both fell to multiple zegs, I recorded every fight and can give YOU the reality check that YOU need if you so desire.

Sorry to break it to you but your little crew makes little to no impact on the outcome of any fight; most of the time all you guys do is take a resource, hide in tower, have a sorc mine the door and run 3 balistas (2 on door 1 on stairs), caltrops, and tower farm people as they have very little chance of fighting back stepping into such a clusterfk (though you don't have much success with that either as the more competent players just dodge roll to the top then crash your tower farm from above).

Comparing a video game to real war is silly to say the least. People want to have fun in PvP and fight battles that they at least have a chance of winning.

Try actually playing the game without being spoon-fed kills by the banana sea of AD and you might find a new appreciation for the game, perhaps then you will no longer be so jaded that you feel you must make passive-aggressive posts in response to everything I type on the forums.

Silky

https://youtu.be/-Ns14hRqwY8?t=3

Lumsdenml

Can't we all just get along?

Celestial_Rift

Hmm.... I worked on DLC content and got a few perfect roes today... forgot how much I actually enjoyed playing the game itself and not just the constant PVP antics.

As for the PVP, I think people should play the game however they want to... whether it be them and 23 other players running through the fields together to take a keep, a single player waiting at a bridge for someone unsuspecting to come by, a small group taking a resource to see how long they can hold it, or fishing by the Daedric titan and getting a perfect roe.

People should stop complaining that one person's way is better than the other... just play the frickin' game and if you win, you win, and if you don't, you don't. And if you don't enjoy it... there's plenty of PVE or other video games to take your time.

If you don't like the station, change the channel.

ŞσƦѦ

ZoS just needs to do a better job of discouraging zerging. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with ones play style, it's the fact that there needs to be balance for players to enjoy the game. It would be nice to see ZoS do what EverQuest 2 did and disallow players to receive pvp rewards if in a group of more than 6. That goes a long way in discouraging the plague that is zerging.

When players cannot even stand a chance in pvp because the other side refuses to play without massive zergs to back them up, players get bored and log out. You can only ram your head into a yellow brick wall for so long. That's not good for pvp...

When no amount of planning, tactics, coordination, "skill", etc can counter the amount of sheer numbers people hide in to overwhelm any chance of anyone else really even playing the game, that's an issue.

Sreja_Bone

And suddenly, I feel like I'm back playing shooters again.... sturm und drang.

Adenoma

For the record, that isn't how we run tower farms. And it does seem like you think it's wrong for us to set up an advantageous scenario so that we can gain AP or distract the map.

This may sound crazy, but I think besides the enormous number of roots and snares, the game is pretty balanced.

If you want to see zerging, BwB is not the place for it. Go to Trueflame or Haderus and you'll see some disturbingly large and well-organized zergs.

Also, @basement_ghost , we had wanted to push for EP scrolls and pull pressure off of a Chalman take because DC kept sending a 30 man group to root us out earlier. Once AD pugs started showing up we pulled out of Farragut - I am 100% sorry that it went a little longer than intended. AD wiped at Arrius twice and we got sad.

kit_sune

Try running solo in Azura's Star before Thieves Guild patch dropped. It was nothing but EP zergs using bombard spam, proxy, and steel tornadoes. Most of the ad groups in bwb would stand no chance. Let's be honest about something: there aren't that many amazing players in Bwb. I'm a scrub. Also on the subject of tower farming: you should have knocked the tower down instead of capping the resource, so if you get farmed blame your alliance not the farmers

kit_sune

@Silky best response. Pls teach us

W0lf_z13

@skepticalfox i've lost track of how many times in z-chat that i have read "GET OFF THE FLAG" ... i don't know if it's that the people capping the resource aren't reading the chat or if they dont care or what... but it happens CONSTANTLY where we will be in the middle of seiging the tower and 1 or 2 members will be standing on the flag... hell... i've even seen someone drop a seige right ON the flag... personally i dont mind the tower farming...

vamp_emily

Adenoma wrote: »

If you want to see zerging, BwB is not the place for it. Go to Trueflame or Haderus and you'll see some disturbingly large and well-organized zergs.

I'm sure many players have been to Vet Campaigns. I also have seen AD pull the same stuff they do. Ball up, run around Nikel, turn back and roll over the guys who were chasing them down. Oh so much skill.. gosh I admire that game play. But how can you compare BwB to Truelfame, I might be mistaken but itsn't that campaign pop locked on all sides most prime time? More balanced if you ask me.

I think a lot of people on here are missing the problem. It isn't about zerging. It is more about Campaign Balance, flip flopping sides, and changing campaigns.

I agree people should be able to play the way they want. But please, players of BwB, don't come here speaking of things like "the unspoken rule" the one where alliances let the enemy have their try keeps to encourage players to come back. Don't come here crying when you see an alliance gate camping. Let people play the way they want.

I'm tired of being opened minded and caring. I am throwing the key to my heart out in the deepest waters of Cyridiil; In the waters that only slaughter fish survive.

#EmilyDoesNotCareAnymore

vamp_emily

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

i've even seen someone drop a seige right ON the flag...

Was it me?

W0lf_z13

vamp_emily wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

i've even seen someone drop a seige right ON the flag...

Was it me?

i dont believe so, it was a few weeks ago

Stridig

I don't often see zergs in IC. Maybe when I become a skilled player that's where I will go to avoid large group battles, tower farms, and all the other things people do for fun in this game. Unless of course other people play there too. Then I guess it will be back to square one.

DeadlyRecluse

ŞσƦѦ wrote: »

It would be nice to see ZoS do what EverQuest 2 did and disallow players to receive pvp rewards if in a group of more than 6. That goes a long way in discouraging the plague that is zerging.

Capping in-game group size at 12 rather than 24 would help some too. Probably not solve it, as often the pugzergs are made up of several loose groups, but it would help.

Zos DID make some changes to AP gain so that you get more RFTW in a smaller group, as you make more AP, but that mechanism is obscure enough I doubt a lot of people factor it into their playstyle/decision process.

Hopefully the city capture mechanic spreads out the pugzergs a bit.

vamp_emily wrote: »

I think a lot of people on here are missing the problem. It isn't about zerging. It is more about Campaign Balance, flip flopping sides, and changing campaigns.

This certainly doesn't help. I will say, for the first time in a while, after AD crowned we just got hammered. It was pretty awesome. Didn't feel like the normal "Faction X emped, time to log on to faction X" nonsense.

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Adenoma wrote: »

For the record, that isn't how we run tower farms. And it does seem like you think it's wrong for us to set up an advantageous scenario so that we can gain AP or distract the map.

This may sound crazy, but I think besides the enormous number of roots and snares, the game is pretty balanced.

If you want to see zerging, BwB is not the place for it. Go to Trueflame or Haderus and you'll see some disturbingly large and well-organized zergs.

Also, @basement_ghost , we had wanted to push for EP scrolls and pull pressure off of a Chalman take because DC kept sending a 30 man group to root us out earlier. Once AD pugs started showing up we pulled out of Farragut - I am 100% sorry that it went a little longer than intended. AD wiped at Arrius twice and we got sad.

I have played on TF and yes it is extremely laggy, zergy, and infested with cheaters. That was my experience at least. BwB isn't as bad but the campaign is kinda irrelevant since we both are primarily BwB players.

I don't particularly find it fun to tower farm since the odds are so immensely stacked in your favor and most random players are dead before they can even fight back so there is absolutely no challenge, but to each his own; at least you guys don't bring a whole zerg into there.

My comment about tower farming was in response to your claim about backdooring DC at the zergfest that was Aleswell last night; your guild really had no significant impact. Gadriir and I alone kept wiping half of you guys out there then having to retreat back & rinse and repeat so if anything us two kept you 12+ busy and kept you guys from adding to the already overwhelming herd of AD.