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TipsyDrow

Adenoma wrote: »

So what's with DC these days capping Fare, holding onto it with all its spite, and then never really pushing anything? Plus, EP is cracking me up with constantly coming across the bridge and the cute Alessia mine farms.

The point of taking faregyl is to cut transit to other keeps, however the group that takes faregyl can't very well also assault the other keeps, they must hold it while other groups assault. All you're seeing is no other groups doing diddley or sqaut once the faregyl group takes and holds or the other groups assaults are halted by AD elsewhere or God forbid EP actually hits something just then, we must respond. PVP is a fluid thing. Also, your dress shows a bit to much ankle, you should let the hem out and be a respectful Bridesmaid. SHAME...... SHAME.... SHAME.

vamp_emily

you don't get to dance on me if you didn't kill me

O-oooh no. This is where I draw the line. I will respect MOST rules or so called "unspoken rules" of the game. But this is a rule i will break.

There is a few reasons why I dance above the bodies.

1. If someone tries to gank me and dies.
2. If a group of players attacks us and fails.

Me dancing above you doesn't mean I did damage, killed you or showed up on your death recap. It means you failed and need to rez. Sometimes, I really think you guys like me dancing above you, why else would you die so easy and just lay there for 5 minutes and not rez?

It is funny how I get messages from the dead like:

1. You are no good.
2. You don't even do any damamge.
3. You didn't kill me.
4. 1v1 Me.

I'm not sure if you guys ever watch basketball, I know I don't but I do know a little about it. You have some players that are good shooters and some that are good assists. Think of me as the dancing assist-er, I think my assists are very high compared to my damage dealing. I will tap you with my jabs while my partner does the damage.

Not pointing anyone out, but you guys can say I am no good, I don't do any damage, or I need to L2P. That is ok, but I must tell you my kill counter has some pretty good numbers. Just last night it was something like 210/14. Regardless if that is good or bad, the thing is I only died 14 times. So my survival rate is pretty good, and that would also say that the people I fought had not so good damage. Oh I know what you are thinking "Zerg". Nope, all last night we traveled in a 2/4/6 person team.

Well i better go make some new gear, I got some dancing to do! If you see me dancing, maybe it is because you are not as good as you think you are, even if I am not on your death cap.



Oh ya, I do have to apologize . Some PvE players have said my character looks like a cracked out Wh___". Sorry she is not a pretty dancer. Maybe next time I will make my character look like Paris Hilton.

Valen_Byte

"Nope, all last night we traveled in a 2/4/6 person team."

Strange...I was on for 14 hrs yesterday..(I know i have a problem) lol

In all that time, I only saw you once. You were in the middle of 50+ DC...all good though. Im sure you were in a group of 4..within a group of 50 so that doesn't count right?...not a zerg... ; ))

I must say, I have never said any of those nasty things to you so please don't imply that I have. Also, anyone who knows me, knows that I very much do not consider myself a good player. I have also never said that you are not a good player. I know you are just speaking in generalities here, but the fact that you are replying to me, suggests that you think that I am one of the players you are referring to. That is not the case. I respect you as a player. That's why you get a bow when I take you down. Sometimes I just lay down beside your corps because you look so peaceful. : ))

It maybe time to post my 'ode to Emily' video hee hee

Adenoma

It's not a zerg if we're all soloing.

vamp_emily

Last night I was kind of upset. Maybe it was just because I stayed up passed my bedtime but it was kind of depressing.

Someone was advertising "Need a good healer for small group play". I did not respond because I didn't want to let anyone down. Well they found me and said, "Emily, we need you. We need a healer". So I joined their group.

The 3 other people in the group were really good. I was impressed with everything they did. I was watching every move they made, and was thinking. Gosh I wish I was that good.

We were out numbered in every fight, some times by large numbers. We would fight enemy off and then they would bring more players back with them. There was a few times It was like 20 against us 4.

The group didn't directly tell me I sucked but I kind of got the vibe that they expected more from me. They wanted me to spam BOL, which I tried but no matter what I did it was not good enough.

How the heck am i supposed to spam BOL, fight off 2 or 3 people attacking me, and fire a siege while the other 3 are jumping into a group of 20 players? I don't understand why healers get blamed because someone thinks they are a gift from cyro, and they should not die. And if they do die, the first thing they want to do is blame the healer.

When I play, I try to be the best I can. I will fight my hardest, I will revive everyone I see, I have dropped 4 FCs just to keep a keep ( if I have them ). I always drop 4 sieges when i try to break a wall. I don't *** if someone uses my sieges, i will drop more for myself to use. I will travel across the entire map just to distract our enemy even if i know the trip will result in me dying. I try my best, I really do.

I don't understand why people expect so much from you when this is BwB, and you have no CP and have limited skills. It just makes me feel upset sometimes.

vamp_emily

Valen_Byte wrote: »

"Nope, all last night we traveled in a 2/4/6 person team."

Strange...I was on for 14 hrs yesterday..(I know i have a problem) lol

In all that time, I only saw you once. You were in the middle of 50+ DC...all good though. Im sure you were in a group of 4..within a group of 50 so that doesn't count right?...not a zerg... ; ))

I must say, I have never said any of those nasty things to you so please don't imply that I have. Also, anyone who knows me, knows that I very much do not consider myself a good player. I have also never said that you are not a good player. I know you are just speaking in generalities here, but the fact that you are replying to me, suggests that you think that I am one of the players you are referring to. That is not the case. I respect you as a player. That's why you get a bow when I take you down. Sometimes I just lay down beside your corps because you look so peaceful. : ))

It maybe time to post my 'ode to Emily' video hee hee

I know you have not said anything about me, that is why I did not leave your name in the quote. I just wanted to comment on "dancing".

Hmm.. you seen me once, does that not tell you I was not zerging people down? Of course you will see me defending a keep with my alliance. You will see me in the middle of 50, and you will see me dead because I like to fight. But that does not mean last night I was not attacking in a group of 4 , and not zerging people down.

Yesterday was crazy all alliances had 3 bars and allot of that time we were being attacked by both fronts. I think someone can back me up on this but after our group defended keeps ( with or without the zerg). I would always suggest stuff like.

You guys want to goto nikel while they all goto bleakers?
Lets flag Nikel and Roe so they can try and get Ash.
Lets stop re-inforcement.
Lets try and take Brindle.
Lets try and take Sej.

All my suggestions are small group play, but yay you will see me in a large group. Sometimes we need everyone to stop AD from getting Emp or to help defend our keeps. Also you might see me run with the Pugz.

Reverb

vamp_emily wrote: »

Last night I was kind of upset. Maybe it was just because I stayed up passed my bedtime but it was kind of depressing.

Someone was advertising "Need a good healer for small group play". I did not respond because I didn't want to let anyone down. Well they found me and said, "Emily, we need you. We need a healer". So I joined their group.

The 3 other people in the group were really good. I was impressed with everything they did. I was watching every move they made, and was thinking. Gosh I wish I was that good.

We were out numbered in every fight, some times by large numbers. We would fight enemy off and then they would bring more players back with them. There was a few times It was like 20 against us 4.

The group didn't directly tell me I sucked but I kind of got the vibe that they expected more from me. They wanted me to spam BOL, which I tried but no matter what I did it was not good enough.

How the heck am i supposed to spam BOL, fight off 2 or 3 people attacking me, and fire a siege while the other 3 are jumping into a group of 20 players? I don't understand why healers get blamed because someone thinks they are a gift from cyro, and they should not die. And if they do die, the first thing they want to do is blame the healer.

When I play, I try to be the best I can. I will fight my hardest, I will revive everyone I see, I have dropped 4 FCs just to keep a keep ( if I have them ). I always drop 4 sieges when i try to break a wall. I don't *** if someone uses my sieges, i will drop more for myself to use. I will travel across the entire map just to distract our enemy even if i know the trip will result in me dying. I try my best, I really do.

I don't understand why people expect so much from you when this is BwB, and you have no CP and have limited skills. It just makes me feel upset sometimes.

Bol is too expensive to spam I'm PvP. For effective small group heals you need to focus on hots (ritual of retribution , springs, mutagen, even lingering ritual), and save bol for those "oh s**t" moments. Even then, I prefer combat prayer because it hits the whole group and provides an armor buff. I use BoL very rarely in cyrodiil these days, in both bwb and vet campaigns.

Mjollo

The problem with kill counter is that it's inaccurate. If you see 300/14 it doesnt mean you have 300 kills. It just means that you've been involved in 300 people's deaths. If a person resses near you without you even touching them, it still counts it as a kill. An accurate way of measuring your skill statistically is keeping track of your solo kills.

Valen_Byte

Defialed wrote: »

The problem with kill counter is that it's inaccurate. If you see 300/14 it doesnt mean you have 300 kills. It just means that you've been involved in 300 people's deaths. If a person resses near you without you even touching them, it still counts it as a kill. An accurate way of measuring your skill statistically is keeping track of your solo kills.

True. I only count Killing Blows/deaths. That's about as accurate as it can be.

Adenoma

I just don't worry about it and live my scrubby little life

W0lf_z13

awwwww @Adenoma .... where'd u go??? ... i wanted to keel u

W0lf_z13

first hate messages from ad... calling me a zerger... yet there were only maybe FIVE of us there.... 2 of which were in my group.... funny coming from someone who has been zerging ALL day ... first time ive seen this many rude players in BwB in a while

Sreja_Bone

Hehehe, I got a long hate whisper from a DC (I'm AD btw) after killing with a fire ballista. Took up my whole chat box. Admittedly, they didn't have siege up, and we're just mixing it up below the walls at ales. First advice I was ever given, though, was not to get sucked into siege range, seemed fair kill to me, I'd just got back to keep after helping chase them off the mine.

And honestly,I am just a nub scrub, take ap where I can find it. Some folks just get waaay serious about this stuff.

W0lf_z13

lol @Sreja_Bone ... i dont mind dying from siege... if im dumb enough to stand in the red thats on me.... pretty dumb that they hate whispered u for doing something as a part of pvp as being on a siege ... ive notice a lot of hostile and new DC running around ( can tell in zone chat ) i think they are either a.) grumpy old men ... or b.) pre-pubescent teens ... so far today... ive been t-bagged and whispered that im a zerger ... will be glad once summer is over and all the little kiddies are back in school thats for sure ... leaving the mature ( to a point ) adults to have a good time

W0lf_z13

OH... and to all the fathers of each faction... Happy Father's Day ... hope u all had a good day

basement_ghost

These DC must be the summer kiddies cause they don't seem to know campaign etiquette. EP at one bar, no scrolls, and lowest camp score and the DC Zerg shows up to cap arrius and kings. I appreciate that DB brought in new players and I'm glad I'll have a chance to help them enjoy eso as much as I do, I just wish there was a crash course in how to not be a *** on the map.

Celestial_Rift

I will say that I am glad that AD followed my expectations of not taking tri-keeps when there was no scroll to take even when they suggested to do so... Unfortunately, I can't say the same about DC.

W0lf_z13

@Celestial_Rift if ur talking about this weekend there were scrolls at ur tri-keeps the whole time... any time DC would attempt to go for them we would be getting hit by a full raid or more and would have to pull back to defend ... although... there were a bunch of idiots talking in dc z-chat ( and i use the word idiots cause they were belittling other dc members verbally calling them names and such )

W0lf_z13

@basement_ghost yeah i noticed that with AD as well (at least the summer kiddies and lack of don't be a *** part ) .... always nice to see new blood though ( esp on my boots ) ... got to the point yesterday though that i was fed up with the lack of etiquette from some of them so i went on a dizzying swing spam fest

Celestial_Rift

No, @Wolf_z13, I would expect that a team would defend scrolls and large groups would attempt to grab them from any side, and I'm not going to complain about "Blue zerged us because we had their scroll. Wah." What I'm specifically talking about is when someone has nothing to offer, why do we need to beat them down more. Last night (around midnight Central time), I had multiple people from EP complain to me about Blues pushing their gates when they had low pop and no scrolls. I am not addressing you in particular within that fight, but rather, we all have discussed on multiple occasions how pushing back to gates when there are no scrolls to grab is a frowned upon practice. It's easy to say "Well this has happened to us before," but it doesn't mean that we should condone that behavior. When one of the larger groups attempted to grab the last remaining blue scroll (they had 16 people in their group), they had their leader ask me if they could flag Arrius in order to give some breathing room, I said no, and if they did that I would not be a part of it nor help them, so they didn't do it. We can't just get on the forum and say one thing and complain about particular behavior, whether it's t-bagging, rude whispers, gate camping, etc... and not follow those complaints with action and accountability in our game play. Yes there will be a few people who don't listen, granted we can't influence everyone, but for the most part, many of us on this forum are leaders in our factions in some way, shape, or form, and we should hold ourselves to a higher standard as I would expect all of you to hold me to the same.

W0lf_z13

@Celestial_Rift ... i fully agree with that ... there was an instance a few days ago when Emily and I were training a new Wölfpack member and in z-chat people were saying lets go to arrius ... so naturally the 3 of us start heading in that direction ... i looked at the map and saw there were ZERO scrolls on ep's side ... so in group chat i said " no, I dont want to go their tri-keeps... they have no scrolls " so my group turned around and went elsewhere .... I am fully against going to ANY faction ( other than my own ) tri-keeps if there are no scrolls ... its pointless and sends a bad message... just wish more people felt the same way... Instead when anyone in zchat says to stop going to faction X tri-keeps its responded with EP/AD lover! ... or F EP/AD ... im sure u guys see that type of stuff in z-chat as well ( i hope at least )

Celestial_Rift

@Wolf_z13, We do see that talk at some points, but we are fairly lucky that it's mostly individual members and not full on raid-groups. I, for one, do lead a lot of larger groups and coordinate with them, so a lot of time, I'm able to have more influence than someone who is a soloist, etc. But I'm glad to hear that you are sharing my same sentiment. When there's nothing to do on the map, like the times AD has keeps, scrolls, etc... I will then tell people to work on new builds, do some farming, have a bridge war (because everyone seems to enjoy those), or I'll take folks into Vet PVP. People will get upset, but I'll tell them if you push to gates, you'll have no one to fight and the AP is bad, and next time they will do it to us and you'd have no right to complain. I know that people get bored and they'd love to see the map flooded in their particular color, but at some point you have to say no.

vamp_emily

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

first hate messages from ad... calling me a zerger... yet there were only maybe FIVE of us there.... 2 of which were in my group.... funny coming from someone who has been zerging ALL day ... first time ive seen this many rude players in BwB in a while

Some of the things people whisper are kind of funny. I don't think you were on at the time Wolf, but I was heading to Ales and a group of 5 were ganking DC as they tried to get to ales.

I'm guessing they were thinking they were really cool, or OP. But as soon as 10 DC came rolling in and killed them all. I get a message like, "Oh it takes 10 DC to kill us".

*shakes my head*
Did I miss something? They complained because it was 5v10. Hmmm, let me think about this. It is ok for them to 5v1 DC but they have to complain about 5v10.

W0lf_z13

lol @vamp_emily ... prob the group of ad i was telling u about ... and @Celestial_Rift were u the ad member i was talking to yesterday?

vamp_emily

I was bad this weekend, had to pull out the T-Bagger.

A few AD were gate camping even after the scroll was already gone. As soon as we jumped over the edge near where we train our horses they were ganking. I had no choice but to tbag a spamming sandwich.

One of the guys whispered me and said, " I suck" then I said "I don't care how good you are, if you are going to gate camp, u suck too".

Celestial_Rift

@wolf_z13, Yup... I was the Empress yesterday.

W0lf_z13

i'm hoping.. in time... that there will be more smaller groups running around and less zerging (from each faction .. not just from one ) ... with more groups sharing the same beliefs in etiquette ... i know that Wölfpack will be one of those groups that hold etiquette with high reguard ... since emily and i are training the new member and will continue to do so with any future new members in that fashion ... its the little groups that start a trend ( in my honest opinion )

Celestial_Rift

vamp_emily wrote: »

A few AD were gate camping even after the scroll was already gone. As soon as we jumped over the edge near where we train our horses they were ganking. I had no choice but to tbag a spamming sandwich.

One of the guys whispered me and said, " I suck" then I said "I don't care how good you are, if you are going to gate camp, u suck too".

Well those guys deserved it then. I know sometimes people want to grab the skyshard, but we normally encourage that when we are actively retrieving the scroll. Hopefully if any survived, they died automatically once the gates closed and quickly learned their lesson.

@wolf_z13, Right, we've been working on that. Even when I'm running a larger group of 12+, I give them my expectations prior to us rolling out whatever we are working on. Maybe it's because I am an administrator IRL, I'm good at giving out orders. One major example being when we are in the field, if we see one or two, we let one or two fight them, and someone can call out for assistance if needed (we are normally in TS). This way people can work on their 1vX skills and not just mow down every quester who runs by... I think it's also the difference between more guild-lead groups verse pug groups who may not be able to lay out such expectations because they don't have as established of membership. (Thank you for entertaining me while I'm back at work from my vacation last week)

W0lf_z13

I used to pretty much ONLY run around in a full raid ... but slowly started getting into the smaller groups ... My temp build has been my main build that has allowed me to actually run in small 2-4 man groups and survive mostly ...which i find more enjoyable now a days ... granted on occasion i might run with PUGz or run along side a bigger group because my other group members aren't on ... granted we cant take on keeps in the small man group ... but we have been able to take outposts ( lightly guarded ) ... but small moves could actually be big moves with the right circumstances

Celestial_Rift

@wolf_z13...

1) I want to continue discussing Temp builds with you.

2) You can take a lightly guarded emp keep with about 4-6ish people... if they are the right people. *cough* Nightblader *cough*