Asking for gold to leave someone alone when they are grinding in IC

Lysette

A normal gameplay way to deal with that would be - get some friends, create a bait situation, prey on the ganker - repeat until the ganker has enough of it or brings some friends of his - then you have some pvp - and all can be happy in a PvP zone.

If you don't have friends, get some.

Edit: and never ever pay protection money - who is weak once will be exploited forever. Never negotiate with this kind of people. They are not honorable people and they might just give a damn about what they promised.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

You were in a group...so why didn't u just kill him?

ElderBugOffline

Railroad crossing without any cars. Can you spell that without any R's?

Imperial City is a PVP zome with PVE content. Can you grind there without being ganked?

LegacyDM

Kaibeth wrote: »

If you can't see how stalking and killing someone repeatedly, and then asking for a ridiculous amount of gold to stop violates 2.5, and interferes with OP's enjoyment of the game, there's no hope for you.

Pvp is not for everyone. If op has an issue he can stick with pve or get some friends to help. Claiming pvp ownership over an area and asking for money violates no rule. This is not cyber stalking. this is a video game where the in game mechanics allows for such activity.

What about the gankers in game enjoyment? What if he wants to play an evil character? Should he not have a right to claim ownership to a contested area?

Junkogen

Is it just me or does it seem like OP is the "prick" for reporting the ganker for legitimate PvP behavior?

It's Imperial City. You're supposed to kill other players. It's not extortion, either. You get TV stones for grinding. He gets TV stones for killing you. If he just leaves you alone, he loses out on income. From your POV, you want to grind IC for mats. He wants to gank. So by asking him to leave, you're ruining his experience. He might have a legitimate case for reporting you.

DRXHarbinger

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

So I was in IC grinding on mobs when I found this 1 player constantly killing me over and over again. I asked for him to please stop killing me and to let us grind. He proceeded to tell me to send him 20K gold for each member in my group and only then he would leave us alone. Does this sound like a part of the game that should be allowed to happen? Has this ever happened to anyone else?

Next time go back to base and pay someone who knows what thier doing 20k to be your bodyguard and keep ganking him instead. I've been hired before when someone kept getting wrecked by a sorc and my gold shiled breaker rekd him time and time again. Kept coming back like 12 times before he gave up but they were able to grind in "peace"

RaXZon

Track down his IP address.

Stalk him for a couple of years, make him fear you.

Then when the time is ripe, find his home address. Ring the doorbell and say:

lol jk

swirve

Eiagra wrote: »

I think an official ruling on this may be more valuable.

1.) Is paying "protection money" (and I use that term loosely, since it only protects you from one player) considered exploitation in PvP areas?

2.) If it is considered acceptable, what happens if the other party reneges on their agreement? They have the player's gold, after all, they could take it and laugh to the bank after stabbing them in the eye. Would reneging on the agreement then constitute harassment, griefing, or some other form of ToS violation?

3.) If it is not considered acceptable, what actions can a player take when confronted with someone attempting to exploit their grief in a PvP area in such a manner?

The main problem is that there is NO system in place to offer protection against a dishonorable lout taking a player's money and refusing to honor the bargain. As well, there's nothing saying the offending party can't take the coin, then tell their friend or guild-mate that there is a party of saps with more gold than sense and start the cycle again with a new face. That's just the problem you face in a PvP area, especially trying to do PvE in a PvP area.

I'm hazarding a guess here, but the most pragmatic thing is probably the following:

-- Do not pay money to a player in another faction for protection or to have them "leave you alone" in a PvP area. There is nothing to protect you if the transaction goes sideways, including the Terms of Service, as you're in a zone with active player conflict.

-- Do not attempt to exploit players and squeeze gold out of them because you and/or your group is consistently pounding another player or group in a PvP area. If not an outright violation of some rule, it is not in the best spirit of the game, and a rising trend of this form of behavior may ultimately end up in some form of punishment if there is enough complaints. (After all, you're not exactly helping your alliance by taking money from the opposition when it's convenient to look away, it's supposed to be your duty to use your sword to advance your alliance's agenda. You may find yourself suddenly without the rewards you've earned from your alliance's leaders...)

The main protection is join a guild, inv your guildies, stomp said player.

Let them go and get extortion friends and it then becomes a battle... i.e the point of cyrodil.

Alternatively go grind elsewhere.

Vangy

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

So I was in IC grinding on mobs when I found this 1 player constantly killing me over and over again. I asked for him to please stop killing me and to let us grind. He proceeded to tell me to send him 20K gold for each member in my group and only then he would leave us alone. Does this sound like a part of the game that should be allowed to happen? Has this ever happened to anyone else?

Next time go back to base and pay someone who knows what thier doing 20k to be your bodyguard and keep ganking him instead. I've been hired before when someone kept getting wrecked by a sorc and my gold shiled breaker rekd him time and time again. Kept coming back like 12 times before he gave up but they were able to grind in "peace"

hmmmm.. I like this idea. Here goes;

Want to grind in peace? Nasty gankers keep pwnzoring your bee-hind? Fear not! Vangy & Co. is here for you. No discrimination, no hassle, ez payement. Offering protection services for anyone with enough coin in their pockets. Choose from a repertoire of competent PvP players. Have a group of gank buddies gank those nasty gankers! Call 1800-wahmbulance-save-me today!

*Note: prices are not fixed and may change w.r.t to certain conditions such as grind location/number of gankers who want you dead etc etc.

babylon

Jaronking wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

So I was in IC grinding on mobs when I found this 1 player constantly killing me over and over again. I asked for him to please stop killing me and to let us grind. He proceeded to tell me to send him 20K gold for each member in my group and only then he would leave us alone. Does this sound like a part of the game that should be allowed to happen? Has this ever happened to anyone else?

This is when you call your guild in to destroy the ***. Repeatedly. I would imagine this greedy ass bully is just the sort of guy who would cry after being killed once and /ragequit as your entire guild danced on his corpse.

Yea if you have to call in a zerg to kill one person it shows that you suck when it takes more then 6 people to kill me and more then half that group consist of people I killed,it makes my day and gives me a good laugh.

Side note:I love when people do that because then they push the center and that's when I call in a guildmate or two and bomb them when they fighting a boss or just finished up a portal.

I think you overestimate your abilities, and underestimate my ability to hold a grudge.

See I'd follow you around all the time with my backup team until you found yourself being the one to require all the people you can get, just so you have a chance to play between when your mother tells you its dinner time, and before your mother tells you it's bedtime.

And I take screenshots and videos for all the world to see you having a bad day.





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L2Pissue

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billybailey1982ub17_ESO

Ok The reason why I kept going back to the same district is due to the fact that this time to Noble district is broken. It will allow mobs to spawn with in one second after death which allowing you to get 1.5 million XP per hour end results of this. If asking for money to leave somebody alone was ok and I just wanted to know if this Behavior was acceptable and if zos will do anything about it. If not. what's stoping people from doing the same thing yet on a bigger scale and now holding his zone hostage now this is something people want to tolerate.

And nobody has answered the real question that I've been asked do you want this to happen to you?

Vangy

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok The reason why I kept going back to the same district is due to the fact that this time to Noble district is broken. It will allow mobs to spawn with in one second after death which allowing you to get 1.5 million XP per hour end results of this. If asking for money to leave somebody alone was ok and I just wanted to know if this Behavior was acceptable and if zos will do anything about it. If not. what's stoping people from doing the same thing yet on a bigger scale and now holding his zone hostage now this is something people want to tolerate.

And nobody has answered the real question that I've been asked do you want this to happen to you?

People have answered. You are not hearing them for some reason. Refer to;

babylon wrote: »

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

...I understand that I could have called my Guild in to help kill him...

Well it's PVP - the only way to beat PVP is to bring in a better team. Call in your guild...and make sure it's in steamroll numbers. You will have a ball destroying this assclown. And remember to take screenshots and/or videos

MattT1988 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with him killing you over and over. It's PvP, he's PvPing (this coming from someone who loathes pvp because of the cheap ganking tactics people use and who hates the idea of mixing pve and pvp). But really, if he's killing you and your just going back to same spot expecting things to change, then your insane. Gankers are maggots but there's nothing in the rules against it

The extortion thing is an issue, it's a very grubby thing to do but it's not very effective, it's not like he can forcefully take it from you. Best way to deal with it? Find a way to kill him. Or back out and switch campaigns. Pretty much all you can do.

Egonieser wrote: »

Not really a bannable offence - the person didn't use bugs or hacks to kill you, neither did they harass you or insulted you. (And no, killing/ganking in a PvP map is NOT harassment, despite what people on forums seem to claim regarding this issue).
They are allowed to kill you (hey, it's a pvp zone) and if he can make money that way - not really anything against ToS there either, all you have to do is ignore him or say NO. It's not anymore of a violation than buying or selling Vamp/WW bites is. (Paying for quicker or easier way to get features, in this case the feature is keeping your stones and "buy" a safe passage)
Only case ZoS might step in if the said person insulted you or used rude and offensive language OR used hacks/exploits/bugs to kill you and your group, but if neither of them applies in this case - just carry on.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

SO THE QUESTION IS WOULD YOU LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN TO YOU?

I'd like to see someone try. And if they did succeed, I'd just go do something else instead of coming to forums and crying.

There's definitely a l2p issue here. Excuses are the nails in the house of failure, keep making excuses and you'll keep failing.

Also, I don't see how you think you're getting 1.5m xp an hour with 3 people grinding in a group, you get reduced experience that way. It seems your story is full of holes and lies.

DeanTheCat

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok The reason why I kept going back to the same district is due to the fact that this time to Noble district is broken. It will allow mobs to spawn with in one second after death which allowing you to get 1.5 million XP per hour end results of this. If asking for money to leave somebody alone was ok and I just wanted to know if this Behavior was acceptable and if zos will do anything about it. If not. what's stoping people from doing the same thing yet on a bigger scale and now holding his zone hostage now this is something people want to tolerate.

And nobody has answered the real question that I've been asked do you want this to happen to you?

@billybailey1982ub17_ESO

Your use of an exploit aside, my answer to that question is yes. If that happens, I'll gank the ganker and make him regret ever deciding to mess with me. And there is the fact that I have my guilds on call, which means that I can get assassins to kill the ganker within a few minutes no matter the campaign.

There is literally no issue, but rather, you were lodging a complaint that was non-existent against the ganker. You sent him a rage tell demanding he bugger off. He politely offered to leave you alone if you gave compensation. He didn't need to do that. You are nothing more then a target in a PvP area for the opposing side.

Besides, did you expect the outcome to magically change just because you suicidally decided to go back against better judgement of common sense? That is the very definition of insanity.

https://youtu.be/F_C5hdndk40

MattT1988

It's alright @Vangy I'll answer his question more directly.

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

And nobody has answered the real question that I've been asked do you want this to happen to you?

I wouldn't care. You know why? Because there would be no chance under any circumstances that I'd pay the grub. He can send me extortion messages all he wants, I'd ignore them and either find a way to kill him or switch to my guest campaign. It's a grubby thing to do, but an easily ignored issue. Not something I'd get worked up about.

Does that answer your question?

Strider_Roshin

This same scenario happened to a buddy of mine in cracked wood cave. Some sorc was killing him over and over, and then messaged my buddy saying "give me 10k and I'll leave you alone". So I went there, murdered the sorc, and then messaged him saying "give me 10k and I'll leave you alone ;-)"

LegacyDM

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok The reason why I kept going back to the same district is due to the fact that this time to Noble district is broken. It will allow mobs to spawn with in one second after death which allowing you to get 1.5 million XP per hour end results of this. If asking for money to leave somebody alone was ok and I just wanted to know if this Behavior was acceptable and if zos will do anything about it. If not. what's stoping people from doing the same thing yet on a bigger scale and now holding his zone hostage now this is something people want to tolerate.

And nobody has answered the real question that I've been asked do you want this to happen to you?

Why didn't you change servers if you want to grind nobles so bad?
Why didn't you go grind somewhere else if nobles was owned? You don't need instant re spawn to grind a place like vamps. Just run the circuit.

Holding zones hostage would never happen. All that would occur would be Zerg fighting until everyon goes to bed. Guess you weren't around for the early days of IC in memorial district.

This would never happen to me. I've L2P. Either I kill or it ends in a stalemate and I cloak away. Worst case scenerio, if a group took over the area I would have gone to grind elsewhere, minded my own business, and ignored the guy. I certsinly would not have reported him.

billybailey1982ub17_ESO

1) we did change zones after he asked for 20k gold.
2) i was more appalled at the request.
3) wanted to know is this what eso has become.
4) i toke to the forums to shine light on this, and to see is this acceptable behavior.

Cherryblossom

newtinmpls wrote: »

JadeNaria wrote: »

To be specific for those who don't get it..........

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct?q=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&p=fce92e19-9893-469b-89b8-f994d19f90d1&ts=1460423058&c=zenimaxonline&e=live&rt=AfterEvent&h=666bb92f2d51c4a81b66555d135ab2ba

Go to #2 B e h a v i o r

Then #2.5

Thank you and have a good day, bye bye now

Just in case it's too difficult for some:

2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience.

Again... if you really can't tell that a behavior is bullying....probably means you have some social problems.

and yes.. I work in psych.

This is a PVP zone, the reward for PVP in this zone is collecting Stones of other Players.

The OP in this case contacted the individual playing the game as intended, he asked the other player, who was playing as intended to stop playing as intended and not be able to gather the stones he required. He asked for compensation at a price which was extremely low.

This is not Bullying, the area is a PVP zone, at what point is PVP in a PVP zone bullying. On this basis I doubt you know anything about Psych!

Whilst I understand it may be upseting for the OP not being able to play a PVE game in a PVP zone, but this is a PVP zone, he is well aware of this so must deal with the probability that he will be killed by another Player whilst in a PVP zone.

There are counters especially if you are in a group, to one ganker. Especially if he's running a one shot willy Proxy build, which mean low defense and low resource management. May be run detect pots, caltrops and destroy him.

Omg_Pwned

Just saying

Buffler

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok The reason why I kept going back to the same district is due to the fact that this time to Noble district is broken. It will allow mobs to spawn with in one second after death which allowing you to get 1.5 million XP per hour end results of this. If asking for money to leave somebody alone was ok and I just wanted to know if this Behavior was acceptable and if zos will do anything about it. If not. what's stoping people from doing the same thing yet on a bigger scale and now holding his zone hostage now this is something people want to tolerate.

And nobody has answered the real question that I've been asked do you want this to happen to you?

I hope you reported the broken spawn rate as fast as you did the pvp player for pvping. Knowing there is a broken mechanic and using it for gain is called exploiting and could result in you being banned. I refer the gentleman to the pig farming exploit from the past.

Back on point. If 3 of you kept getting reckt by 1 ganker over and over then im afraid that pvp is not for you. There are many many more zones for you to grind in without ruining a pvp players experiance. Grinding can be done anywhere.....pvp has 1 zone. You engaged the pvper in chat and told him not to pvp in a pvp zone because you wanted to pve in a pvp zone. He asked you for gold to compensate himself. You do not have to comply. You can move on or keep dying or even go pve in a pve zone.

I have a question.

1) Who do you think you are to demand a pvper to stop pvping in a pvp zone?

billybailey1982ub17_ESO

Buffler wrote: »

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok The reason why I kept going back to the same district is due to the fact that this time to Noble district is broken. It will allow mobs to spawn with in one second after death which allowing you to get 1.5 million XP per hour end results of this. If asking for money to leave somebody alone was ok and I just wanted to know if this Behavior was acceptable and if zos will do anything about it. If not. what's stoping people from doing the same thing yet on a bigger scale and now holding his zone hostage now this is something people want to tolerate.

And nobody has answered the real question that I've been asked do you want this to happen to you?

I hope you reported the broken spawn rate as fast as you did the pvp player for pvping. Knowing there is a broken mechanic and using it for gain is called exploiting and could result in you being banned. I refer the gentleman to the pig farming exploit from the past.

Back on point. If 3 of you kept getting reckt by 1 ganker over and over then im afraid that pvp is not for you. There are many many more zones for you to grind in without ruining a pvp players experiance. Grinding can be done anywhere.....pvp has 1 zone. You engaged the pvper in chat and told him not to pvp in a pvp zone because you wanted to pve in a pvp zone. He asked you for gold to compensate himself. You do not have to comply. You can move on or keep dying or even go pve in a pve zone.

I have a question.

1) Who do you think you are to demand a pvper to stop pvping in a pvp zone?

I didnt demand anything i asked nicely if i could post pics i would show you. And yes we did and should be fix today.

Buffler

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok The reason why I kept going back to the same district is due to the fact that this time to Noble district is broken. It will allow mobs to spawn with in one second after death which allowing you to get 1.5 million XP per hour end results of this. If asking for money to leave somebody alone was ok and I just wanted to know if this Behavior was acceptable and if zos will do anything about it. If not. what's stoping people from doing the same thing yet on a bigger scale and now holding his zone hostage now this is something people want to tolerate.

And nobody has answered the real question that I've been asked do you want this to happen to you?

I hope you reported the broken spawn rate as fast as you did the pvp player for pvping. Knowing there is a broken mechanic and using it for gain is called exploiting and could result in you being banned. I refer the gentleman to the pig farming exploit from the past.

Back on point. If 3 of you kept getting reckt by 1 ganker over and over then im afraid that pvp is not for you. There are many many more zones for you to grind in without ruining a pvp players experiance. Grinding can be done anywhere.....pvp has 1 zone. You engaged the pvper in chat and told him not to pvp in a pvp zone because you wanted to pve in a pvp zone. He asked you for gold to compensate himself. You do not have to comply. You can move on or keep dying or even go pve in a pve zone.

I have a question.

1) Who do you think you are to demand a pvper to stop pvping in a pvp zone?

I didnt demand anything i asked nicely if i could post pics i would show you. And yes we did and should be fix today.

Ok, you asked him to stop and he didnt want to. He asked you for gold and you didnt want to pay him. Where is the problem?

You have yet to answer my question above.

Cherryblossom

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

1) we did change zones after he asked for 20k gold.
2) i was more appalled at the request.
3) wanted to know is this what eso has become.
4) i toke to the forums to shine light on this, and to see is this acceptable behavior.

He only replied to your question of him, had you not approached him he would not of spoke to you. Just waited to kill you again, once he thought you had enough stones.

You are only shining a light on your own exploiting.

No it's not acceptable for you to exploit, it is however acceptable for someone to kill you in a PVP zone. Is it ok for him to negotiate when you approached him, why not, you approached him, he's losing out by not killing you.

Eocosa

I see myself as neither a PvP or PvE player as I personally enjoy every facet of the game. Situations like this is why I generally prefer games where cross faction communication (at least in the pvp zone) is not allowed. Granted there are ALWAYS ways around it, but it makes it so people are less inclined to expect things outside the "norm" from other players.

To the OP, yes I can see how you are not happy with the request for gold. Yet, he did not initiate a dialogue with you, you did. You asked him to stop playing the game in a zone that does allow PvP. While it is unfortunate that you had your grinding disrupted, you made the choice to do PvE within a PvP zone and then asked another player to quit playing how the zone was meant to be played.

In terms of "extortion", I guess I do not really see how this was much different to selling vampire/werewolf bites when console started. Was it a jerky thing to do to constantly kill the PvE mobs that infected a player so one can continue to sell bites? You betcha, but I would not truly call it extortion because one could simply pack up and try again later. You made the choice to want to stay in a spot that you knew had PvPers and when you requested they stop they made a rebuttal which may not have been the clasisest, but is no more extortion then requesting 50k for a vampire bite because that player kept killing the mobs.

STEVIL

I try not to comment on pvp threads much since I am pve but...

What strikes me as odd on this division of opinions is the following:
Killing the OP over and over and stopping him from achieving his goal is ok, fine, pvp get getter all that. It really seems like even the psych major does not dispute that point.
But, ONCE OP ASKS the attacker to stop, some feel asking for recompense is a violation of conduct even bullying.

Even the OP says repeated killing is OK.

It's not the repeated attack preventing the player from achieving his goals and having fun that is bullying, but negotiating a cease fire AFTER the defender asks to talk? THAT is the extortion part?

Killing him and taking stuff, that's great. Even if repeated. But negotiate a settlement... how dare you!

I will think never understand pvp-think.

Curtdogg47

The only way this could be considered harassment or extortion is if the ganker had sent OP a message first demanding gold to stop killing them. However OP sent the first message asking to be left alone to grind. Ganker simply responded that in order to stop doing what he is allowed to do it would come at a price. This to me seems like the makings of a negotiation. OP could have counter offered at 5k, And then said ganker could have returned with an offer of 15K and maybe they all would have settled on 10K. That being said it would have been stupid to do since there is nothing in game that would insure the ganker would up hold his side of the deal. But I don't know what OP was expecting? Did you really think he would simply just go a way because you asked him really nicely?

kojou

He or she was playing PvP in a PvP zone. I guess they could have simply said nothing and continued to kill you and your friends, but he/she chose to give you another option.

Personally I would have left you alone to build up more Tel-Var and let the AP timer reset before killing you again.

Xundiin

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

1) we did change zones after he asked for 20k gold.
2) i was more appalled at the request.
3) wanted to know is this what eso has become.
4) i toke to the forums to shine light on this, and to see is this acceptable behavior.

You do realize that his request for gold after YOU asked him to stop ganking you was the equivalent of "fat chance in hell". The fact you felt the need to come here with this crap is just sad and funny at the same time.

Emma_Overload

rokrdt05 wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Ah, sewer politics... so much fun. Honestly, I think you got of easy. If it was me I would keep ganking you over and over...

It's unfortunate OP, but this is the mentality of some of the people in the game. There are other areas where you can grind.

lol if you're going to quote me, use my entire quote not one sentence. He is in a PvP zone, where I will kill anyone that is not the same faction.

Had you finished my sentence there you would realize the reason why I would kill him over and over. Quit making PvP'ers out to be the *** because they actually PvP.

PvCarebear is not real PvP. Go upstairs to Cyrodiil and take over a keep if you want to be a tough guy.