IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

Loralai_907

Having a master crafter all I can say is sweet I won't have to worry about getting the new motifs until after they fix this mess. For reals, the new stuff looks atrocious.

Gargath

MornaBaine wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks this looks absolutely TERRIBLE????

It's all about personal taste. For me any of the robes you put here aren't bad with those females, their beauty is hidden and can be revealed by using proper dye. Try with shiny gold, most armors love shiny gold with coldharbour black .

GaldorP

It's pretty obvious that they are trying to push more crafting styles/new armor styles for a fast release and thought nobody would notice if they skipped half the work by not designing a separate version of those new armor styles for female characters.

So thanks to all who posted in this thread.
Don't let ZOS get away with this, make sure they know we've noticed and aren't happy with it.

Shader_Shibes

MornaBaine wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

The other half is wanting some new armour made, and i, nor she has no clue which won't make her char look frumpy. She thought of Trinimac, Xivkyn or Dominion. I guess Trinimac is out of the question after seeing the pics in the op, are all the new styles like this? Have some of the older styles been affected. Really disappointing and just looks plain wrong.

Everything made after Ancient Orc is this same "male morphed" crap. So yes, ANY of the new styles will look like this. Which is tragic because otherwise they are absolutely beautiful and have a far higher level of drtail and ornament than the older styles. Outlaw, Ancient Orc, Glass and Xivkyn all have female models and so don't look awful. Ancient Orc is my first pic, here's Glass heavy chest:


And here's Xivkyn Light Robe:


And this is the Outlaw Light:




So those are safe from among the newer sets. All of the original racial armors were done with a female mesh as well and Redguard Heavy Chest is still one of my favorite "battle mage" looks with the Daedric Legs which are a skirt. Oh how I wish we had MORE skirt options as well!

Thanks for that. It's between glass and xivkyn now. Another thing, we sorely need a preview option.

Rosveen

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I always wondered what some video game developers have against the female physique. As in why they dislike portraying wider hips, and or "proper breasts". And it seems like the trend now transpiring even in ESO is making things androgynous, and or unisex. No. Men are men. Women are women. The bodies are different. It's 2016, and we have game developers iffy on showing female character models with proper busts!? C'mon son.

I know what you mean, but why not just call them "bigger busts"? Small breasts are perfectly proper and feminine too.

Egonieser

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And that's how it looks like if you happened to have a hourglass-shaped character:

It doesnt look like drapes on real clothes, it doesnt look like armor because of hunchback, its just a low quality mesh that distorts on female chars.
And its a shame, because I love the design of this motf.

Holy Cow! (sorry)

That... abomination of a chest O.o

Tryxus

Egonieser wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And that's how it looks like if you happened to have a hourglass-shaped character:

It doesnt look like drapes on real clothes, it doesnt look like armor because of hunchback, its just a low quality mesh that distorts on female chars.
And its a shame, because I love the design of this motf.

Holy Cow! (sorry)

That... abomination of a chest O.o

Well in a way...

That abomination does look lore-friendly for armor

Tonnopesce

In really hig settings the trinimarc is not so bad still is like wearing a curtain and is not good , but if you see the outlaw ( from the same dlc) is shaped around the body so maybe is something in the NPC related motifs.

Aimora

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Aimora wrote: »

It's a shame that in such a beautiful game things like this are overlooked

It's not overlooked. It is laziness. To churn the items out quicker and get them on the crown store. They've already confirmed that the costumes do not meld to the body types we make when we make our characters.

It's all premade bodies when you equip them. So show your dislike for it and quit buying the costumes. Spread the word and when no one buys them maybe they'll actually put some effort back into it.

Don't buy the costumes - they are ugly I made a thread about it previously.

LadyNalcarya

Malnutrition wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And that's how it looks like if you happened to have a hourglass-shaped character:

It doesnt look like drapes on real clothes, it doesnt look like armor because of hunchback, its just a low quality mesh that distorts on female chars.
And its a shame, because I love the design of this motf.

That is atrocious. Lazy, ZoS. Just bleepin' lazy.

Not just lazy actually. I crafted this robe right after TG dlc and it looked more or less normally at the start (despite still using male model)

Now this char looks like this:

So it looks like the way meshes distort to match character's shape was screwed up somehow.

tinythinker

Possible solution: re-roll a very short, wide, plus-sized female or a male in the upcoming barbershop?

That's all I can think of on the player-end for now. Sorry.

ArchMikem

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I always wondered what some video game developers have against the female physique. As in why they dislike portraying wider hips, and or "proper breasts". And it seems like the trend now transpiring even in ESO is making things androgynous, and or unisex. No. Men are men. Women are women. The bodies are different. It's 2016, and we have game developers iffy on showing female character models with proper busts!? C'mon son.

I'm not sure what kind of figure you're talking about really. If you forgive me for saying like a true "man", my character has proper child-bearing hips and a more chunky frame with breasts more-so on the higher end of the slider. Her chest is quite large, looking probably somewhere between a C and D and she still has an inward waist even though I brought it all the way out. Definitely still looks feminine. Hell you can even give your character big butts if you want to. This is a lot more robust than what Skyrim gave you for body types.

Elsonso

Nova Sky wrote: »

Well. It looks like ZOS has made a calculated financial decision here, so it appears the only way they will be made aware of the miscalculation is when their accountants report a decline in profits from ESO.

You know what you have to do, gamers, if this is a something near and dear to your heart.

While I have stopped buying the Crown Costume sets that are based only on the male models, when I want to use them on the female characters, I still but the male based ones if they are intended for a male.

My fear is that, if this is a financial decision, and I am not convinced of this, I doubt that the finance people will notice me doing this, no matter how many join me. They will see revenue trends and react to that, not to the reason.

But, as I said, I do not think that this is a revenue and finance thing. If it was, there are other ways they could do this. On top of that, people I know who do modeling say that a practiced modeler working from a base model should be able to create a reusable model in a few days to a week, depending on the amount and complexity of changes. New clothing and armor models are often updates to existing ones, not something entirely new from scratch. If this applies to how ZOS does models, they are probably not saving much money.

The lazy excuse holds more weight, since they can make twice as many models this way.

However, I still think technical and performance... FPS and video memory usage... trump both financial and laziness.

helediron

I updated previous post with pictures, and fixed the altmer-EP error.

It looks like Soul Shriven, Malacath and Outlaw have full female mesh, while Trinimac, AD, DC, EP don't. Some of these are clearly a bug.

I don't like at all of those armors or costumes, which essentially throw away character customization. But I DO like that some armors are not skin-tight, and only give a hint of body shape. That increases diversity. But if all new armors hide or distort body shape, it's not a good direction.

Pomaikai

Or the female armor that not only bloats a character's body, but stretches and bloats their faces as well. It's a horrible design choice.

ZOS's artists should be ashamed of their work here. I wouldn't want an artist coming to me with crap like this in their portfolio.

deleted220701-004865

This chest puffiness is also present on male characters, it's a problem with the gear itself

Recremen

helediron wrote: »

I agree with OP. Having some rigid armors were first okay, but now they spit out these "fixed frames" maybe too much.

I quickly scanned through some photos i have. The alts below wear usually light armor but chest is heavy or medium. Let's see...
Aldmeri Dominion style looks fixed frame (more):


This is a curvy alt, first in Xivkyn, then in AD and Daggerfall:
EDIT: new images

AD (more)

Daggerfall (more)


Ebonheart has no mesh (more):
EDIT: fixed wrong picture


Malacth seems to be decent (full light set):




But Trinimac again fixed frame (full light set):


This is interesting, and i could take a closer look. I'll make some alliance light armors to check them on few different alts. I might test also few males, because i have both athletes and dinner table heros.

These actually all look really good to me. The problem I see in OP's is that there's this unnatural force holding a huge section of the clothy-torso up, whereas for the Daggerfall and Dominion style light armor there's a clear breastplate-looking thing and a more form-fitting cloth piece underneath. No weird slope or anything. And the breastplate really should look flat like that, it's quite appropriate in terms of how armor actually fits over your body, irrespective of gender. Oddly, the trinimac also looks fine on your character except for the shoulder piece, which is floating out a bit. Maybe only certain dimensions on models are causing the issue?

Frenkthevile

Greiver wrote: »

Does it really surprise you that much? Not the first corners they've cut.

+1

java34nub18_ESO

While I dislike this change, it certainly reduces my need to be in the Crown Store!

Yeap, I'm really disappointed with ZOS lately; just another reason to consider dropping my sub.

ParaNostram

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Malnutrition wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And that's how it looks like if you happened to have a hourglass-shaped character:

It doesnt look like drapes on real clothes, it doesnt look like armor because of hunchback, its just a low quality mesh that distorts on female chars.
And its a shame, because I love the design of this motf.

That is atrocious. Lazy, ZoS. Just bleepin' lazy.

Not just lazy actually. I crafted this robe right after TG dlc and it looked more or less normally at the start (despite still using male model)

Now this char looks like this:

So it looks like the way meshes distort to match character's shape was screwed up somehow.

Yeah, with characters that lack the massive chests the armor can look pretty decent, and I do like how some armors are gender neutral so to speak, but it should only be for a few armors with metal plating at the front (because boob armor is impractical as ***, but still some people like it because it feels good with their gender).

Ch4mpTW

Rosveen wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I always wondered what some video game developers have against the female physique. As in why they dislike portraying wider hips, and or "proper breasts". And it seems like the trend now transpiring even in ESO is making things androgynous, and or unisex. No. Men are men. Women are women. The bodies are different. It's 2016, and we have game developers iffy on showing female character models with proper busts!? C'mon son.

I know what you mean, but why not just call them "bigger busts"? Small breasts are perfectly proper and feminine too.

I apologize. Small breasted women deserve love too. Small breasts are just as proper as their larger counterparts, and deserve equal respect. Apologies.

PF1901

Must be a bug, let's all be glad ZOS is always fast and good at fixing those. In the mean time...happy soapboxing.

svartorn

No replies from ZOS yet.

Working on new pets for crown store, no doubt.

Chaaya

umm , This is the first time i have seen some of these motifs clearly. Can be difficult to view them clearly with everyone in motion.

All I can say though is:

Bleah! ..

I am a woman.. i play female characters, I LIKE looking feminine. .. Some of these look like you have to go down to the gas station, get an air hose and inflate them . Would not wear them nope nope nope.

Say no to inflatable clothing !

PS. Can i have the old style redguard armor back? Just as an option on the light and maybe medium armor? I can understand heavy armor looking certain ways. Boob plate is a great way to break your sternum if you fall forward. Light and medium armor though need not have that problem .

Arobain

sadownik wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

have you thought that maybe its because its a fabric robe, not a skin tight elastic suit, to the reason it doesn't comepletely bend to your body, if you wear a coat, does it hang over your body, or does it stick to your skin like a wet suit, when you wear a night gown or whatever type of robe like clothing, surgical robes are a good example, are they skin tight like wet suits, or do they hang like fabric from your shoulders like its supposed to?

Are you serious?

Yes.

Lynx7386

God forbid we have anything remotely attractive when it comes to female armor.

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MornaBaine

Gargath wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks this looks absolutely TERRIBLE????

It's all about personal taste. For me any of the robes you put here aren't bad with those females, their beauty is hidden and can be revealed by using proper dye. Try with shiny gold, most armors love shiny gold with coldharbour black .

Oh all of these robes take dyes beautifully. That is the tragedy of this disaster. They look magnificent on my MALE characters. And like freakish deformities on my female characters.

MornaBaine

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Looks like the feminazis got ahold of zenimax's development team. God forbid we have anything remotely attractive when it comes to female armor.

Unless Zeni ever comes out and says this is the reason for this disastrous design choice I'm not buying it.

Elsonso

svartorn wrote: »

No replies from ZOS yet..

They are not going to reply. They are doing what they said they are doing, and they are happy with what they are doing. If they change their mind, that will be the only time they will respond. Until then, silence means that they are not going to change anything and have no interest in discussing it.

LadyNalcarya

MornaBaine wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks this looks absolutely TERRIBLE????

It's all about personal taste. For me any of the robes you put here aren't bad with those females, their beauty is hidden and can be revealed by using proper dye. Try with shiny gold, most armors love shiny gold with coldharbour black .

Oh all of these robes take dyes beautifully. That is the tragedy of this disaster. They look magnificent on my MALE characters. And like freakish deformities on my female characters.

Yeah And I dont even have any male characters.
EP robe looks so awesome with Julianos White... And pretty much any color.
And the design is really cool... Probably my favourite robe design ever. I was so happy when I found a perfect style, but ofc it was ruined.
By the way, heavy EP is much less affected by hunchback effect and makes character's waist slimmer, like a corset. So I dont even think that bloated robes are design decision, more like pure laziness and ignorance.

And even this cuirass is flawed - you cant dye the belt, its always grey.