IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

Arobain wrote: »

have you thought that maybe its because its a fabric robe, not a skin tight elastic suit, to the reason it doesn't comepletely bend to your body, if you wear a coat, does it hang over your body, or does it stick to your skin like a wet suit, when you wear a night gown or whatever type of robe like clothing, surgical robes are a good example, are they skin tight like wet suits, or do they hang like fabric from your shoulders like its supposed to?

I didnt know fabric was supposed to give me hunchback and and stick out from my chest like if I put 2 pillows on my back and chest.
In real life, tailor that makes such costumes would be fired very soon.
And sugical robes, astronaut suits etc are bad examples, because clothes we are talking about are actually (ancestor) silken ornate robes.

Wreuntzylla · April 2016

Misogyny. Why not stop making male models???

Abeille · April 2016

helediron wrote: »

Ebonheart seems to have mesh (more):

This is interesting, and i could take a closer look. I'll make some alliance light armors to check them on few different alts. I might test also few males, because i have both athletes and dinner table heros.

This is Altmer medium. I can tell for the ugly, big stitches that do not match a race that is obsessed with perfection and aesthetics (and perfect aesthetics).

Here is Ebonheart medium, from the ESO-Fashion site:

Eshelmen · April 2016

lol nice man pecks

helediron · April 2016

Abeille wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Ebonheart seems to have mesh (more):

This is interesting, and i could take a closer look. I'll make some alliance light armors to check them on few different alts. I might test also few males, because i have both athletes and dinner table heros.

This is Altmer medium. I can tell for the ugly, big stitches that do not match a race that is obsessed with perfection and aesthetics (and perfect aesthetics).
...snip...

Whoops, yes, i looked maybe too quickly. I DID make the ebonheart, but where did i put it???
Thank you! I placed a warning to that picture. I'll make tomorrow a new set and fix the post.

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

And that's how it looks like if you happened to have a hourglass-shaped character:

It doesnt look like drapes on real clothes, it doesnt look like armor because of hunchback, its just a low quality mesh that distorts on female chars.
And its a shame, because I love the design of this motf.

Abeille · April 2016

helediron wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Ebonheart seems to have mesh (more):

This is interesting, and i could take a closer look. I'll make some alliance light armors to check them on few different alts. I might test also few males, because i have both athletes and dinner table heros.

This is Altmer medium. I can tell for the ugly, big stitches that do not match a race that is obsessed with perfection and aesthetics (and perfect aesthetics).
...snip...

Whoops, yes, i looked maybe too quickly. I DID make the ebonheart, but where did i put it???
Thank you! I placed a warning to that picture. I'll make tomorrow a new set and fix the post.

It's okay, I could take my chance to complain about the Altmer style again :P

Annalyse · April 2016

I absolutely hate this new trend. And, having no armor preview, I have made two different sets thus far that turned out looking this way and led to me having to count the materials as a loss and trash them. I tried running around in Mercenary for awhile on my templar but eventually the inflated chest and partial hunchback drove me crazy. It just looks awful.

I don't care about the so-called "boobplates" but at least make things look realistic. Even in heavy armor, nobody would wear a shape that sticks out so far from the chest because it would inhibit proper movement. And in light armor it just makes no sense altogether.

Slurg · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

This was all done in response to the numerous feminists who posted about how "skimpy" the female model armor was. And I suppose ZOS decided that their original armor models for female characters was too sexist. Thus the change. Once again, we have the feminists and forum complainers to blame.

If that was actually true they wouldn't have created and announced the new skin-baring halter top and miniskirt outfits at the same time they were mangling the female character model for the new armor motifs.

No, there's something else going on here, and using history as our guide, they must think this is good for company profit.

MornaBaine · April 2016

Slurg wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

This was all done in response to the numerous feminists who posted about how "skimpy" the female model armor was. And I suppose ZOS decided that their original armor models for female characters was too sexist. Thus the change. Once again, we have the feminists and forum complainers to blame.

If that was actually true they wouldn't have created and announced the new skin-baring halter top and miniskirt outfits at the same time they were mangling the female character model for the new armor motifs.

No, there's something else going on here, and using history as our guide, they must think this is good for company profit.

I tend to agree. I'm just trying to figure out what makes them think this was a good idea for that. Obviously it's cheaper and faster for them and most people won't quit the game over it. But it DOES make a lot of players deeply unhappy and they'll certainly talk about it. And that can't be great for the bottom line either.

IrishGirlGamer · April 2016

Arobain wrote: »

have you thought that maybe its because its a fabric robe, not a skin tight elastic suit, to the reason it doesn't comepletely bend to your body, if you wear a coat, does it hang over your body, or does it stick to your skin like a wet suit, when you wear a night gown or whatever type of robe like clothing, surgical robes are a good example, are they skin tight like wet suits, or do they hang like fabric from your shoulders like its supposed to?

I actually agree with this. The drape of clothing/armor on a female body will generally depend, not on the female's body, but on the material that it is made of.

Heavy plate will not be an elastic body suit, and it will hide breasts. But it will still be formed to the size and shape of a female body (which is DIFFERENT than a man's).

Mail armor will still lay heavy on a human body, but it will shape to the body, both on men and on women. Not tight like a bodysuit, but mail will still curve to hips and breasts on females.

And clothing? I don't even know what to say. A cursory review of historic clothing will clearly show that women's clothing and how that clothing was cut and fitted, clearly differed from how men's clothing was cut and fitted.

The problem is NOT that Zenimax Online Studios attempted to make female armor more realistic. It's that they made the conscious decision to shape all future female armor and clothing the same as a man's. Okay? Read that again:

They made the decision that the models for all new armor and clothing (models being the digital shape upon which armor textures are attached to make an in-game item of armor) would be those used for MALE armor and clothing. The only female shaped armor and clothing are the ones that are already in the game.

I don't know why they would do this. It's not realistic. Even if plate armor hides breasts, it will still be shaped for a woman. Egghhhhh!!! How you can not understand this, Zenimax!!!! We are not asking you to make boob plate or revealing armors. We simply want armors and clothing made for women. Females. The other gender.

And it's ugly. It does not look better. It looks ... weird. Egggghhh!! Do you really think your fans wouldn't notice?

The only reason for doing this is to so that they do not have to make a second, female model. To tell your entire fan base that this is more realistic is, frankly, to assume your fans are idiots.

But you're not going to fix it, are you? It will be like the Redguard armor you changed awhile back. People will tell you they hate it and you will ignore them completely. Ignore them. Completely.

I am not just disappointed, Zenimax. I'm angry. The message you're sending to me is that if I want to play your game, and wear these armors, I have to choose to look like a man. And when I ask you why I have to do this, your answer is:

It is realistic that your female gender does not matter.

That is so wrong. It's just wrong.

Snowstrider · April 2016

Well the armor design is really lazy in this game

some are good looking but most are like these

MornaBaine · April 2016

Snowstrider wrote: »

Well the armor design is really lazy in this game some are good looking but most are like these

Most of the newer armor, yes. But none of the original armor suffers from this blasphemy.

Malnutrition · April 2016

Lenikus wrote: »

Sooo...
you want skimpy armor ?

Your reply is in no way related to the subject of the thread.

Malnutrition · April 2016

Rat-King wrote: »

What the hell are you all talking about?? To you a skin tight clothing is better than more realistic one?? Maybe i'm missing something here

Try actually looking at the female body, and then look at the male form. Compare. Then come back and re-read the original post, re-look over the images posted. Then you'll no longer be missing anything.

ArchMikem · April 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And that's how it looks like if you happened to have a hourglass-shaped character:

It doesnt look like drapes on real clothes, it doesnt look like armor because of hunchback, its just a low quality mesh that distorts on female chars.
And its a shame, because I love the design of this motf.

Wow, the left one really does look pretty horrid. It's like her whole torso is just one large bulge under her neck.

Malnutrition · April 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And that's how it looks like if you happened to have a hourglass-shaped character:

It doesnt look like drapes on real clothes, it doesnt look like armor because of hunchback, its just a low quality mesh that distorts on female chars.
And its a shame, because I love the design of this motf.

That is atrocious. Lazy, ZoS. Just bleepin' lazy.

Nova Sky · April 2016

Well. It looks like ZOS has made a calculated financial decision here, so it appears the only way they will be made aware of the miscalculation is when their accountants report a decline in profits from ESO.

You know what you have to do, gamers, if this is a something near and dear to your heart.

Wolfchild07 · April 2016

I definitely will not be trying to acquire the newer armour styles. Those pictures actually make me wanna unsub.

MornaBaine · April 2016

Nova Sky wrote: »

Well. It looks like ZOS has made a calculated financial decision here, so it appears the only way they will be made aware of the miscalculation is when their accountants report a decline in profits from ESO.

You know what you have to do, gamers, if this is a something near and dear to your heart.

The problem is that quitting the game no longer really hurts them. Once they've rung a box sale out of you they have no real interest in retaining you as a customer. Shiny new DLC drives box sales as well as being lucrative in and of itself. "Small" things like making their armor look like garbage because it allows them to cut corners and do things more cheaply tells us pretty clearly that player retention is not all that big a deal to them. What MIGHT get their attention is reviews at gaming sites, publicly talking up and highlighting this kind of shoddy practice and make potential NEW players rethink that decision to buy the box in the first place.

Nova Sky · April 2016

Hmm. So ending a subscription to ESO Plus, at $14.99 per month, wouldn't be much of a bother to the accountants at ZOS?

snoogadooch · April 2016

I just got my first female character to vet16 and now I am outraged! No really thou, they look so much better in the first pic.

DerAlleinTiger · April 2016

Nova Sky wrote: »

Hmm. So ending a subscription to ESO Plus, at $14.99 per month, wouldn't be much of a bother to the accountants at ZOS?

If it did, I don't think they'd have dropped the required subscription model.

Now if everyone all of a sudden dropped their ESO+ subs AND refused to buy crowns I'm pretty sure they'd take notice. But good luck managing that when there are people who've actually dropped money on the new totally useful assistants.

sskaggs89 · April 2016

This looks horrible! I just started playing a few weeks ago and was thinking of making a female sorcerer as my next character, but this kinda changed my mind. It looks just as bulky as my Dragonknight's heavy armor.

Calandrae · April 2016

Yes, it makes me very sad that I can't use the new motifs with my female mage characters. And since I don't have any other characters, I just can't use the motifs at all. Well, for weapons and a few smaller armor pieces to mix and match maybe, but not to their full value.

My templar healer for example is a Breton noblewoman, very proud of her lineage and ancestry, and would love to switch to Covenant robes. But no can do. I will not make her look like The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

I have never asked for skimpy armor. But I'm female myself, my characters are female and proud to be so. I think it's not just lazy but also sexist to ignore females like this. Much more sexist than any bosmer miniskirts could ever be.

WhimsyDragon · April 2016

So what I'm hearing is that you don't like misshapen chests that look like an alien is growing under the surface, awaiting the moment it will burst forth, smiting all enemies, but possibly leaving you dead as well. Fair. I'm not a fan either. It's bad enough that proportions are already questionable (my character's smaller chest doesn't even look normal in the low neckline costumes nowadays... thanks ZoS!), let alone piling on the 'and then it got worse... er...' -_-

Xendyn · April 2016

Adoryn wrote: »

So what I'm hearing is that you don't like misshapen chests that look like an alien is growing under the surface, awaiting the moment it will burst forth, smiting all enemies, but possibly leaving you dead as well. Fair. I'm not a fan either. It's bad enough that proportions are already questionable (my character's smaller chest doesn't even look normal in the low neckline costumes nowadays... thanks ZoS!), let alone piling on the 'and then it got worse... er...' -_-

Yeh this^ This is what I think of looking at that armor.
Guess I should make a Sigourney Weaver character.

Is this what you want your customers thinking when they look at your armor ZOS?
The art and graphics have always been one of the best points of this game, do you really want to cut corners here, too?

I think it's a pretty bad idea, myself.

Lookstowindwards · April 2016

This is just horrible...

The first thing coming to my mind was: "So females in ESO now all have an Alien baby short of bursting inside them?"

Cadbury · April 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And that's how it looks like if you happened to have a hourglass-shaped character:

It doesnt look like drapes on real clothes, it doesnt look like armor because of hunchback, its just a low quality mesh that distorts on female chars.
And its a shame, because I love the design of this motf.

Wow. Not only does it blow up the model, it even clips into the swords XD
And I thought the floating shoulder pads and side flaps on many armor sets were bad.....

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

I always wondered what some video game developers have against the female physique. As in why they dislike portraying wider hips, and or "proper breasts". And it seems like the trend now transpiring even in ESO is making things androgynous, and or unisex. No. Men are men. Women are women. The bodies are different. It's 2016, and we have game developers iffy on showing female character models with proper busts!? C'mon son.