IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

MornaBaine

Slurg wrote: »

They are doing this on purpose now? Is the intention of this to encourage people with female characters to buy more costumes from the crown store??

Perhaps. But we all know THOSE wildly distort the body shapes of our characters as well. I really don't know why they do this kind of thing. It's not like we don't NOTICE.

Elsonso

While I dislike this change, it certainly reduces my need to be in the Crown Store!

I think the reason is technical, not financial or laziness. This is probably to reduce the number of meshes that have to be rendered by reusing them across male and female bodies.

Ampnode

What? Don't like your women with a little man in 'em?

But really, the amount of effs these modelers gave is baffling. Can somebody tell me why the costumes don't follow what your character's true body form is like the armors do? Would save them the embarrassment.

Slurg

MornaBaine wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

They are doing this on purpose now? Is the intention of this to encourage people with female characters to buy more costumes from the crown store??

Perhaps. But we all know THOSE wildly distort the body shapes of our characters as well. I really don't know why they do this kind of thing. It's not like we don't NOTICE.

I don't buy those things; I prefer armor. But if costumes do the same thing....

Are we supposed to buy a sex change when those are finally offered in the crown store just so we don't look misshapen?

AddictionX

this is bad...

tinythinker

Sorry Morna. I know how much your character's appearance means to you. I'll throw my support behind you on this, for whatever that's worth.

Gidorick

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

Abeille

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

There is a difference between offering more realistic options and making mashes that does not adapt to your character's body.

ZOS didn't do this to make anything more realistic, it was to cut corners. Same mesh for male and female does not equal "realistic".

Gidorick

Abeille wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

There is a difference between offering more realistic options and making mashes that does not adapt to your character's body.

ZOS didn't do this to make anything more realistic, it was to cut corners. Same mesh for male and female does not equal "realistic".

Oh, I think we all agree that this was done to cut corners @Abeille , but I'm pretty sure the "Excuse" was that they are doing this to appease the small handful off people that found boob armor and femininity in ESO offensive.

Elsonso

Gidorick wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

There is a difference between offering more realistic options and making mashes that does not adapt to your character's body.

ZOS didn't do this to make anything more realistic, it was to cut corners. Same mesh for male and female does not equal "realistic".

Oh, I think we all agree that this was done to cut corners @Abeille , but I'm pretty sure the "Excuse" was that they are doing this to appease the small handful off people that found boob armor and femininity in ESO offensive.

I highly doubt this.

MornaBaine

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

But it's NOT realistic Gid! THAT is the problem! If they want to make metal chestpieces that look like this:



I am actually FINE with that! But when it's a garment made from, supposedly, CLOTH? No, just no. It doesn't look at all like an attempt at "realism" anyway. It looks like exactly what it is, a way to cut corners, terribly shoddy workmanship. It doesn't look like a woman wearing realistic armor. it looks deformed and cheap. And it is.

MornaBaine

lordrichter wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

There is a difference between offering more realistic options and making mashes that does not adapt to your character's body.

ZOS didn't do this to make anything more realistic, it was to cut corners. Same mesh for male and female does not equal "realistic".

Oh, I think we all agree that this was done to cut corners @Abeille , but I'm pretty sure the "Excuse" was that they are doing this to appease the small handful off people that found boob armor and femininity in ESO offensive.

I highly doubt this.

I'm curious. Do you doubt that's the excuse they will use? Or do you doubt that's really why it was done? Can you please expand?

Elsonso

MornaBaine wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

There is a difference between offering more realistic options and making mashes that does not adapt to your character's body.

ZOS didn't do this to make anything more realistic, it was to cut corners. Same mesh for male and female does not equal "realistic".

Oh, I think we all agree that this was done to cut corners @Abeille , but I'm pretty sure the "Excuse" was that they are doing this to appease the small handful off people that found boob armor and femininity in ESO offensive.

I highly doubt this.

I'm curious. Do you doubt that's the excuse they will use? Or do you doubt that's really why it was done? Can you please expand?

Sure. I think they are doing this for technical and performance reasons on the client, and it is nothing more than that. It could be a way to save development time and resources, but I really think it is technical and performance. They are going to eventually hit a wall regarding how many different costumes and armor types that they can show on the screen at the same time. There is only so much that you can put onto a video card to be rendered on the screen. Recolors can help, but people have been demanding new looks, not just recolors. I think they have foreseen this and are taking steps, ones that I do not agree with, to push this wall further out. Do I know this for a fact? No, I do not.

Gidorick

lordrichter wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

There is a difference between offering more realistic options and making mashes that does not adapt to your character's body.

ZOS didn't do this to make anything more realistic, it was to cut corners. Same mesh for male and female does not equal "realistic".

Oh, I think we all agree that this was done to cut corners @Abeille , but I'm pretty sure the "Excuse" was that they are doing this to appease the small handful off people that found boob armor and femininity in ESO offensive.

I highly doubt this.

Have they given a reason @lordrichter ?

MornaBaine

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

There is a difference between offering more realistic options and making mashes that does not adapt to your character's body.

ZOS didn't do this to make anything more realistic, it was to cut corners. Same mesh for male and female does not equal "realistic".

Oh, I think we all agree that this was done to cut corners @Abeille , but I'm pretty sure the "Excuse" was that they are doing this to appease the small handful off people that found boob armor and femininity in ESO offensive.

I highly doubt this.

I'm curious. Do you doubt that's the excuse they will use? Or do you doubt that's really why it was done? Can you please expand?

Sure. I think they are doing this for technical and performance reasons on the client, and it is nothing more than that. It could be a way to save development time and resources, but I really think it is technical and performance. They are going to eventually hit a wall regarding how many different costumes and armor types that they can show on the screen at the same time. There is only so much that you can put onto a video card to be rendered on the screen. Recolors can help, but people have been demanding new looks, not just recolors. I think they have foreseen this and are taking steps, ones that I do not agree with, to push this wall further out. Do I know this for a fact? No, I do not.

Okay I'll concede that might be true. But yes, it's absolutely NOT the right thing to do. As many things as are in the game needing to be rendered... you'd think they would understand that the number one MOST important thing to have every bell and whistle on would be the characters. Get rid of some of the useless furniture that litters the world. Remove some rocks and trees. ANYTHING but make our characters look like garbage.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Exactly. And imo neglecting female characters like this is kinda sexist. Like its shameful to have breasts.

I agree from a stylistic perspective.

However, having breasts built into actual armor is a death sentence. Armor isn't really designed to stop a blow, but to deflect it away from the midline, making a potentially lethal attack survivable.

For a good example of this, look at Captain Phasma's armor in Star Wars 7: TFA. It's well-designed without making her look like another one of the guys.

However, on light armor I say "Go for it". Boob it up, since you're going to be defending yourself with magic, anyways.



EDIT: I got in a hurry and didn't notice that several posters above me had already addressed what I just repeated. So, "what they said".

Oh, and Gwendolyn Stacey FTW!!!

KanedaSyndrome

Terrible job from ZOS there.

KanedaSyndrome

How can they expect people to pay real money for costumes if they mess up the costumes and how they fit on characters. It makes no sense from a business perspective.

Rosveen

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

As someone who hates boobplate and boob windows with a fiery passion, this is not at all what I wanted. I care about functional armor, but I never said a word against form-fitting clothes (and most light armors in ESO are made of soft materials). I also never asked for "one size fits all" costumes that distort our character's body shape and void all the care that went into ESO's great character creation tool. None of this is even remotely realistic.

Danikat

I can confirm that the light armour shown in the OP is definitely not realistic.

I have relatively small breasts (somewhere between A and B cup, which makes buying bras far too much hassle) and today I happen to be wearing a baggy, thick cotton "unisex" band t-shirt, which means it's basically a men's shirt they wanted to sell to women too.

Even that has more shape than the tops pictured. Of course it's not cut to be form fitting like the ancient orc one (or some of my other real life clothes) but unless I'm leaning forward so it's hanging down it still follows the shape of my body more closely than the Trinimac one and it's a lot more loose fitting.

The problem with these new armours isn't that they aren't skimpy or form-fitting, it's that they're simply not realistic. As other people have said it looks like it's superimposing another body shape onto your character.

Lyrebon

So all female armor need boob ports?

Artheiron

Adding 2 cylindrical shape to normal bump maps where the boobs are located is too much efford. But feel free to buy our new assistant for 40 bucks. Great logic.

Karminathevamp

Oh I think they want us to buy their new Crown Store's Graht-Climber's Active Wear and Doeskin-and-Chamois Woods Wear. Now those are showing the female's forms.

Abeille

Lyrebon wrote: »

So all female armor need boob ports?

Certainly not. Having options is great. However, this is not what is being discussed.

It is the "one mesh fits all" issue that we are discussing in this thread, and how it seems like this is going to be the norm from now on. It deforms the character's body, and it happens with armor and Crown Store outfits alike. That's not acceptable.

JD2013

I have to agree that they need to have two separate meshes for male and female armour types. If ever I make a female character then the above armour models are rather ugly and don't fit right, and make them look wrong. This does absolutely need looking into.

Lyrebon

Abeille wrote: »

Lyrebon wrote: »

So all female armor need boob ports?

Certainly not. Having options is great. However, this is not what is being discussed.

It is the "one mesh fits all" issue that we are discussing in this thread, and how it seems like this is going to be the norm from now on. It deforms the character's body, and it happens with armor and Crown Store outfits alike. That's not acceptable.

I know, I was joking. The cloth armor does look daft. Way too much bulge to be reasonable.

Korah_Eaglecry

MornaBaine wrote: »

Aimora wrote: »

It's a shame that in such a beautiful game things like this are overlooked

It wasn't just overlooked. It was a conscious design choice to no longer make female character model armor. @ZOS_GinaBruno actually mentioned it on an ESO Live. WHY they decided to cut corners here is a mystery to me. Is the game REALLY doing that poorly financially? Regardless of the reasons, it is a terrible decision and one that was made ON PURPOSE.

Maybe if theyd stop practicing questionable business tactics as the Merchants they might actually make some serious money. Personally all of this, including a lot of whats coming out of the Crown Store of late is sub par and down right lazy craftmanship.

Unfortunately with these things there needs to be a very big impact on sales for them to take notice.

Korah_Eaglecry

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Aimora wrote: »

It's a shame that in such a beautiful game things like this are overlooked

It's not overlooked. It is laziness. To churn the items out quicker and get them on the crown store. They've already confirmed that the costumes do not meld to the body types we make when we make our characters.

It's all premade bodies when you equip them. So show your dislike for it and quit buying the costumes. Spread the word and when no one buys them maybe they'll actually put some effort back into it.

The problem with that is that they wont fix the issue but simply stop making costumes. Theyll see the dip in sales and instead of looking to correct it (which would cost more money that theyre losing there) theyll decide to remove it and opt out of investing in making more.

Brightxdawn

WOW that is pretty damn ugly. What a horrible job they did, I agree those should be fixed the female players!

Brightxdawn

Seriously how much more are they going to ruin the game?