IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Aimora wrote: »

It's a shame that in such a beautiful game things like this are overlooked

It wasn't just overlooked. It was a conscious design choice to no longer make female character model armor. @ZOS_GinaBruno actually mentioned it on an ESO Live. WHY they decided to cut corners here is a mystery to me. Is the game REALLY doing that poorly financially? Regardless of the reasons, it is a terrible decision and one that was made ON PURPOSE.

Maybe if theyd stop practicing questionable business tactics as the Merchants they might actually make some serious money. Personally all of this, including a lot of whats coming out of the Crown Store of late is sub par and down right lazy craftmanship.

Unfortunately with these things there needs to be a very big impact on sales for them to take notice.

I guess that's why they made the next to useless glorified bankers and merchants cost the same as an entire DLC, making up for the lack of sales with how much money they get with each sale. Ah well, Zenimax is just losing whatever trust they got left by the second, just kinda waiting for them to go P2W, which doesn't look too unlikely with all the promises they keep breaking, questionable decisions etc.

And also, hope they fix this issue, OP.

Thevampirenight

They need to make the crown store costumes where they fit to your character model if they have to make them items that you can basically equip then that what they need to do, but seriously we want them to fit with the character model and we want you to start either only making female models and then changing them to male models or just make both come on.
I do agree with morna, they do need to focus on models better. I want my costumes to fit with my characters body. As does a lot of other people.

Thing is, they could make them have there own inventory that does not take inventory space, when you go to costume menu you click on the costume, it gives you the costume transferring a copy to the inventory, now you can equip it, and then it will fit to model because then they can make it where it does fit your character model and thats what they need to do.

Kirameku

Agreed. I was really excited about Pact style light armor. But when I saw the result I was like "Okay... I threw money on this so Ithink I have to wear it"

Shader_Shibes

The other half is wanting some new armour made, and i, nor she has no clue which won't make her char look frumpy. She thought of Trinimac, Xivkyn or Dominion. I guess Trinimac is out of the question after seeing the pics in the op, are all the new styles like this? Have some of the older styles been affected. Really disappointing and just looks plain wrong.

Moonscythe

I guess I will stick to my ancient elf which looks fantastic on my two lady mages but only adequate on the male dunmer mage, go fig. I do have to wonder about all the guys picking on the women who want their clothes to fit. Maybe they just don't know how to ask for a prominent codpiece to prove they really do have dangly bits.

MornaBaine

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

The other half is wanting some new armour made, and i, nor she has no clue which won't make her char look frumpy. She thought of Trinimac, Xivkyn or Dominion. I guess Trinimac is out of the question after seeing the pics in the op, are all the new styles like this? Have some of the older styles been affected. Really disappointing and just looks plain wrong.

Everything made after Ancient Orc is this same "male morphed" crap. So yes, ANY of the new styles will look like this. Which is tragic because otherwise they are absolutely beautiful and have a far higher level of drtail and ornament than the older styles. Outlaw, Ancient Orc, Glass and Xivkyn all have female models and so don't look awful. Ancient Orc is my first pic, here's Glass heavy chest:


And here's Xivkyn Light Robe:


And this is the Outlaw Light:




So those are safe from among the newer sets. All of the original racial armors were done with a female mesh as well and Redguard Heavy Chest is still one of my favorite "battle mage" looks with the Daedric Legs which are a skirt. Oh how I wish we had MORE skirt options as well!

Ch4mpTW

This was all done in response to the numerous feminists who posted about how "skimpy" the female model armor was. And I suppose ZOS decided that their original armor models for female characters was too sexist. Thus the change. Once again, we have the feminists and forum complainers to blame.

MornaBaine

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

This was all done in response to the numerous feminists who posted about how "skimpy" the female model armor was. And I suppose ZOS decided that their original armor models for female characters was too sexist. Thus the change. Once again, we have the feminists and forum complainers to blame.

I remember seeing no such posts. Please feel free to link them here for proof. I DO remember seeing MANY posts by women totally ticked off when they took away the old "sexy" Redguard Light.

[Edited to remove naming/shaming]

Abeille

MornaBaine wrote: »

So those are safe from among the newer sets. All of the original racial armors were done with a female mesh as well and Redguard Heavy Chest is still one of my favorite "battle mage" looks with the Daedric Legs which are a skirt. Oh how I wish we had MORE skirt options as well!

When they let us craft shirts instead of robes for light armor, I hoped they would give us the option to craft the long skirts (robes' bottom half) instead of legs too (and add legs to the Daedric motif). It is a shame it never happened. I love to combine the Daedric Legs with heavy chests for a battle mage look too!

MornaBaine

Abeille wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

So those are safe from among the newer sets. All of the original racial armors were done with a female mesh as well and Redguard Heavy Chest is still one of my favorite "battle mage" looks with the Daedric Legs which are a skirt. Oh how I wish we had MORE skirt options as well!

When they let us craft shirts instead of robes for light armor, I hoped they would give us the option to craft the long skirts (robes' bottom half) instead of legs too (and add legs to the Daedric motif). It is a shame it never happened. I love to combine the Daedric Legs with heavy chests for a battle mage look too!

I dream of a Khajiit skirt with all those luscious patterns and the silky shiny look the khajiit robes have. Le sigh...

AddictionX

so how does it feel to have your "feminism" taken away by what you wear .... I would be mad if my male toon was forced into wearing a skirt but thats just me.

MornaBaine

AddictionX wrote: »

so how does it feel to have your "feminism" taken away by what you wear .... I would be mad if my male toon was forced into wearing a skirt but thats just me.

I'm not really sure what you even mean by the first part of your comment. But no one has ever asked that the legs of armor be REPLACED by skirts, merely that there be skirt OPTIONS. Wouldn't be that hard to do and would make a lot of people very happy.

AddictionX

MornaBaine wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

so how does it feel to have your "feminism" taken away by what you wear .... I would be mad if my male toon was forced into wearing a skirt but thats just me.

I'm not really sure what you even mean by the first part of your comment. But no one has ever asked that the legs of armor be REPLACED by skirts, merely that there be skirt OPTIONS. Wouldn't be that hard to do and would make a lot of people very happy.

Well if you replace the word with "manhood" its something some one might see from the other perspective. I'm suggesting that i can understand the op if armor all looked the same.

Taking away boob plates is like forcing male toons to run around with skirts with out an option. Its a double standard when people are not given the option to have unrealistic armor. Its a damn game with magic and fire breathing frogs and they want to push the "its more realistic look" argument its annoying to read some peoples mentality.

Reapor

Im male i play a female character, its bs because its just plain lazy.

Honestly every day im finding a new reason to not like this game any more its sad.

edit: tho it could have just been that one patch seen as outlaw fits form.

Emma_Overload

I agree with the OP and other commenters... ZOS is treading on VERY dangerous ground here!

The devs are probably used to hearing and ignoring complaints every day, but they had better pay attention to this issue if the care about the future of ESO. This is not some random gameplay or "balance" controversy, this is about the core role-playing experience of the game. This is an MMORPG, remember? Players care much more about this stuff than the devs seem to think, and that's going to be a huge problem if they don't turn this thing around.

Personally, when I roll a female character like my Sorc main - in which I have invested TWO YEARS of my life, by the way - I expect her to have a FEMININE appearance, regardless of what armor or costume she is wearing. If I keep running into motifs and gear sets my toon can't wear because they are butt ugly, I'm going to tire quickly of investing my time (and money) into this character and eventually, ESO itself. If enough players feel this way, ESO will die a slow, painful death.

ZOS, please don't let this happen. @ZOS_GinaBruno, can you please bring this thread to the attention of the devs and higher-ups? This isn't just a garden variety forum grievance, and this controversy is only to going to grow and fester with time as old gear and motifs become outdated.

MornaBaine

AddictionX wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

so how does it feel to have your "feminism" taken away by what you wear .... I would be mad if my male toon was forced into wearing a skirt but thats just me.

I'm not really sure what you even mean by the first part of your comment. But no one has ever asked that the legs of armor be REPLACED by skirts, merely that there be skirt OPTIONS. Wouldn't be that hard to do and would make a lot of people very happy.

Well if you replace the word with "manhood" its something some one might see from the other perspective. I'm suggesting that i can understand the op if armor all looked the same.

Taking away boob plates is like forcing male toons to run around with skirts with out an option. Its a double standard when people are not given the option to have unrealistic armor. Its a damn game with magic and fire breathing frogs and they want to push the "its more realistic look" argument its annoying to read some peoples mentality.

Ah gotcha. I misunderstood. Thank you for clarifying.

IrishGirlGamer

What is this? Since when? There is NOTHING realistic about this. If anyone asked for realistic armor, this is NOT what they were asking for. One body type. Just one? Unisex? Egghhh.

Rosveen wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

But it's more "realistic"... ppptth. This is what so many of you whined and cried about... now you have it. Happy now?

As someone who hates boobplate and boob windows with a fiery passion, this is not at all what I wanted. I care about functional armor, but I never said a word against form-fitting clothes (and most light armors in ESO are made of soft materials). I also never asked for "one size fits all" costumes that distort our character's body shape and void all the care that went into ESO's great character creation tool. None of this is even remotely realistic.

This. People can blame whoever they want, but the design decision was made by Zenimax Online Systems. You know, like when they changed Redguard armor. Was that to make it more realistic? The metal t-shirt? Because that's so REALISTIC!

Really @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom? Is this what we can expect from Zenimax Online Systems? (And, please, in asking this question, I am NOT blaming you personally. This decision may not have been your decision. You may not have been included at all. But you are, right now, the faces that represent ZOS, so I put the question to you.)

Why? Why do this? Why be so lazy?

Do you want to know something? Bethesda Softworks NEVER did this. Not in Oblivion, not in Skyrim. You know who else didn't do this? Modders. Hundreds of modders who helped build your fan base by creating unique clothing and armor for your games for free. Do you even know who these people are? Do you even care?

These artists designed armor unique armor mods for male and female bodies. Some of them designed armor mods for multiple body types. I doubt it was easy. After all, they weren't professionals.

What does it say about your games when the fans that design armors for free produce better, and often more realistic, armors than those who are getting paid for it? Not only are these new armor designs unrealistic and ugly, they make no logical or realistic sense whatsoever.

The only explanation is Zenimax is trying to save money by reducing the time it takes to make armors. That's it.

Egggghhhh, Zenimax, just eggghhhh!!!

Moonscythe

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

This was all done in response to the numerous feminists who posted about how "skimpy" the female model armor was. And I suppose ZOS decided that their original armor models for female characters was too sexist. Thus the change. Once again, we have the feminists and forum complainers to blame.

The complaint here has absolutely nothing to do with how much or how little flesh is revealed in female armor. Nor does it have anything to do with how "realistic" the armor is as protective gear. It is about negating our character selection choices. We might as well just give everyone a generic guy named Sue. The Ancient Elf I'm using looks exactly the same design-wise on both my male and female characters. With a hood on and no facial hair on the male there is very little to distinguish the gender of the characters if there is no gender based body plan. Zos is just cheaping out by having only one costume mesh and delusional if they think no one would notice or care.

Waffennacht

Boobs or no boobs, the new armor looks horrid compared to the old ones. I thought this game was suppose to be over the top graphics and those look like they're from Turok

AddictionX

MornaBaine wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

so how does it feel to have your "feminism" taken away by what you wear .... I would be mad if my male toon was forced into wearing a skirt but thats just me.

I'm not really sure what you even mean by the first part of your comment. But no one has ever asked that the legs of armor be REPLACED by skirts, merely that there be skirt OPTIONS. Wouldn't be that hard to do and would make a lot of people very happy.

Well if you replace the word with "manhood" its something some one might see from the other perspective. I'm suggesting that i can understand the op if armor all looked the same.

Taking away boob plates is like forcing male toons to run around with skirts with out an option. Its a double standard when people are not given the option to have unrealistic armor. Its a damn game with magic and fire breathing frogs and they want to push the "its more realistic look" argument its annoying to read some peoples mentality.

Ah gotcha. I misunderstood. Thank you for clarifying.

Not a problem. You probably did not misunderstand as it was meant to be provoking in a certain way.

DerAlleinTiger

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Exactly. And imo neglecting female characters like this is kinda sexist. Like its shameful to have breasts.

I agree from a stylistic perspective.

However, having breasts built into actual armor is a death sentence. Armor isn't really designed to stop a blow, but to deflect it away from the midline, making a potentially lethal attack survivable.

For a good example of this, look at Captain Phasma's armor in Star Wars 7: TFA. It's well-designed without making her look like another one of the guys.

However, on light armor I say "Go for it". Boob it up, since you're going to be defending yourself with magic, anyways.



EDIT: I got in a hurry and didn't notice that several posters above me had already addressed what I just repeated. So, "what they said".

Oh, and Gwendolyn Stacey FTW!!!

To be honest, I don't even think this is a great argument against boob plates anyway. Don't get me wrong, I'm not someone for the 'armored bikinis' you'll see in many, many, many... MANY Skyrim mods, but to be honest I think in a fantasy world with talking catpeople and lizardpeople we should be able to have some boob plates. It's about as logical as thick leather armor providing more maneuverability than thin cloth.

Why not let a female character who likes to look sexy in plate armor look sexy in plate armor? One of the great things about the Khajiit heavy armor is how sleek and slim it looks on females. I think the whole 'boob plate' look isn't nearly as bad as 'steel bikinis' and is, what I like to call, authentic rather than realistic. It's not running into battle half-naked. There's still plate armor that would protect you pretty well from slashes under most circumstances. It's not realistic but if you had someone who didn't know anything about armor take a look at it they'd probably shrug and figure it was alright. It's the same idea behind medium armor somehow allowing better use of weapons than cloth. It's not actually realistic, or honestly even logical, but you can suspend your disbelief enough to enjoy it for both its looks and game mechanics.

To be honest, I've found it disappointing that many of the new heavy armor pieces have started going the flat-chested route on everyone. But that's because I'm one of those people who likes stylistic authenticity over pure realism.

Tryxus

Abeille wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

So those are safe from among the newer sets. All of the original racial armors were done with a female mesh as well and Redguard Heavy Chest is still one of my favorite "battle mage" looks with the Daedric Legs which are a skirt. Oh how I wish we had MORE skirt options as well!

When they let us craft shirts instead of robes for light armor, I hoped they would give us the option to craft the long skirts (robes' bottom half) instead of legs too (and add legs to the Daedric motif). It is a shame it never happened. I love to combine the Daedric Legs with heavy chests for a battle mage look too!

Now that would be awesome.

I mean, ZOS did seperate Robes and Shirts in the past for those who didn't like the "dress" look. Maybe they could do something similar for Light Armor: Leggins or Skirt options

But maybe for the other Armors too: Heavy Chainmail Skirts (or plated, like Runescape xD ), Leather Long Coat Chests for Medium (like Light Robes), Medium skirts and "Flapless" Medium Chests,...

Recremen

Why does your character look like they swallowed a tire? I'm all for armor that doesn't look like it has individual boob/pec cups, but that looks downright unsettling.

Gidorick

@IrishGirlGamer very eloquently displays my own personal feelings about the design, direction, current focus and future goals of ESO when she said...

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Egggghhhh, Zenimax, just eggghhhh!!!

Egonieser

MornaBaine wrote: »

Aimora wrote: »

It's a shame that in such a beautiful game things like this are overlooked

It wasn't just overlooked. It was a conscious design choice to no longer make female character model armor. @ZOS_GinaBruno actually mentioned it on an ESO Live. WHY they decided to cut corners here is a mystery to me. Is the game REALLY doing that poorly financially? Regardless of the reasons, it is a terrible decision and one that was made ON PURPOSE.

It's called cutting corners, my dear. Most companies do that when they are:
A: Understaffed
B: Underfunded

Looking at the overall state of the game - both seem plausible as it's not just the visuals that are getting the shaft.

NewBlacksmurf

Sigh....yeah it's bad and I'd enjoy female stuff again and reworks too

Samsayia

Bump for this thread cuz holy *** I didn't even realize they did this. Why would they stop making female light armor? it looks so bad. soooo bad >__>

Arobain

have you thought that maybe its because its a fabric robe, not a skin tight elastic suit, to the reason it doesn't comepletely bend to your body, if you wear a coat, does it hang over your body, or does it stick to your skin like a wet suit, when you wear a night gown or whatever type of robe like clothing, surgical robes are a good example, are they skin tight like wet suits, or do they hang like fabric from your shoulders like its supposed to?

sadownik

Arobain wrote: »

have you thought that maybe its because its a fabric robe, not a skin tight elastic suit, to the reason it doesn't comepletely bend to your body, if you wear a coat, does it hang over your body, or does it stick to your skin like a wet suit, when you wear a night gown or whatever type of robe like clothing, surgical robes are a good example, are they skin tight like wet suits, or do they hang like fabric from your shoulders like its supposed to?

Are you serious?

helediron

I agree with OP. Having some rigid armors were first okay, but now they spit out these "fixed frames" maybe too much.

I quickly scanned through some photos i have. The alts below wear usually light armor but chest is heavy or medium. Let's see...
Aldmeri Dominion style looks fixed frame (more):


This is a curvy alt, first in Xivkyn, then in AD and Daggerfall:
EDIT: new images

AD (more)

Daggerfall (more)


Ebonheart has no mesh (more):
EDIT: fixed wrong picture


Malacth seems to be decent (full light set):




But Trinimac again fixed frame (full light set):


This is interesting, and i could take a closer look. I'll make some alliance light armors to check them on few different alts. I might test also few males, because i have both athletes and dinner table heros.