March 18, 2016 PCPowerPlay interview with Rich Lambert

Lysette

Masstershake wrote: »

Its funny, no matter what mmo i am playing the forums are always the same.

People bashing devs for not listening, and saying the game is going to die. Then someone comes in blindly saying the devs can do no wrong.

Then you get the pvpers crying foul for class imbalance...

Seriously its just a game...the devs cant fix everything with a snap of the finger...otherwise the 5 other mmo games with forums exactly the same as this one claiming devs dont listen wouldn't exist.

Also no mmo can be perfect and anyone blindly following the devs saying they can do no wrong are fools...otherwise there would be no gamebreaking bugs..

And pvp balance is not possible if you want any diversity in a game. If it upsets you find a workaround or just join the FOTM

There will always be bitter vets, that is true, even if a game works nearly to 100% - like EVE online for example - it dies since 13 years - lol - and is pretty much alive. Does it have bugs - yes, it happens - but .... those get fixed in a timely manner. I have never to worry that they will stay for long - not that I would come across a lot of them at all - to me that is a perfect game, nearly bug free and bugs are addressed in a timely manner - I expect that from a subscription game.

Edit: if you think balance is not possible, try EVE - there is no best ship - it is balance and that is an ongoing process, with very subtle changes made by the devs - they are very good at this - and this with high complex stuff, not just a handful of skills like in ESO - there are skills for 22 years to come - and thousands of modules for ship fittings - they keep this in balance - that is what makes pvp in EVE so great.

WalkingLegacy

Lysette wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

Its funny, no matter what mmo i am playing the forums are always the same.

People bashing devs for not listening, and saying the game is going to die. Then someone comes in blindly saying the devs can do no wrong.

Then you get the pvpers crying foul for class imbalance...

Seriously its just a game...the devs cant fix everything with a snap of the finger...otherwise the 5 other mmo games with forums exactly the same as this one claiming devs dont listen wouldn't exist.

Also no mmo can be perfect and anyone blindly following the devs saying they can do no wrong are fools...otherwise there would be no gamebreaking bugs..

And pvp balance is not possible if you want any diversity in a game. If it upsets you find a workaround or just join the FOTM

There will always be bitter vets, that is true, even if a game works nearly to 100% - like EVE online for example - it dies since 13 years - lol - and is pretty much alive. Does it have bugs - yes, it happens - but .... those get fixed in a timely manner. I have never to worry that they will stay for long - not that I would come across a lot of them at all - to me that is a perfect game, nearly bug free and bugs are addressed in a timely manner - I expect that from a subscription game.

Nearly bug free?

Seriously?

Nah you can't be that disillusioned.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

Its funny, no matter what mmo i am playing the forums are always the same.

People bashing devs for not listening, and saying the game is going to die. Then someone comes in blindly saying the devs can do no wrong.

Then you get the pvpers crying foul for class imbalance...

Seriously its just a game...the devs cant fix everything with a snap of the finger...otherwise the 5 other mmo games with forums exactly the same as this one claiming devs dont listen wouldn't exist.

Also no mmo can be perfect and anyone blindly following the devs saying they can do no wrong are fools...otherwise there would be no gamebreaking bugs..

And pvp balance is not possible if you want any diversity in a game. If it upsets you find a workaround or just join the FOTM

There will always be bitter vets, that is true, even if a game works nearly to 100% - like EVE online for example - it dies since 13 years - lol - and is pretty much alive. Does it have bugs - yes, it happens - but .... those get fixed in a timely manner. I have never to worry that they will stay for long - not that I would come across a lot of them at all - to me that is a perfect game, nearly bug free and bugs are addressed in a timely manner - I expect that from a subscription game.

Nearly bug free?

Seriously?

Nah you can't be that disillusioned.

Well the level 1-50 and VR1-14 content isnt very bugged. I have four characters now who have completed cadwells silver/gold. At the beginning yes there was some game stopping issues. These days its mainly people complaining about TG or PVP balance etc. Or people using the 64 bit client which is in beta expecting it to be 100% bug free.

Lysette

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

Its funny, no matter what mmo i am playing the forums are always the same.

People bashing devs for not listening, and saying the game is going to die. Then someone comes in blindly saying the devs can do no wrong.

Then you get the pvpers crying foul for class imbalance...

Seriously its just a game...the devs cant fix everything with a snap of the finger...otherwise the 5 other mmo games with forums exactly the same as this one claiming devs dont listen wouldn't exist.

Also no mmo can be perfect and anyone blindly following the devs saying they can do no wrong are fools...otherwise there would be no gamebreaking bugs..

And pvp balance is not possible if you want any diversity in a game. If it upsets you find a workaround or just join the FOTM

There will always be bitter vets, that is true, even if a game works nearly to 100% - like EVE online for example - it dies since 13 years - lol - and is pretty much alive. Does it have bugs - yes, it happens - but .... those get fixed in a timely manner. I have never to worry that they will stay for long - not that I would come across a lot of them at all - to me that is a perfect game, nearly bug free and bugs are addressed in a timely manner - I expect that from a subscription game.

Nearly bug free?

Seriously?

Nah you can't be that disillusioned.

Well the level 1-50 and VR1-14 content isnt very bugged. I have four characters now who have completed cadwells silver/gold. At the beginning yes there was some game stopping issues. These days its mainly people complaining about TG or PVP balance etc. Or people using the 64 bit client which is in beta expecting it to be 100% bug free.

I use the 32-bit client and have issues - that is why I am NOW in EVE and not in ESO - play a working game for a change.

Edit: it is the patch and its bugs what is putting me off - once that is fixed, I will play ESO again, but as long as it is crap, I rather play something where I have fun and do not have to put up with bugs all the time. That client even crashed my whole system - not just a CTD or a freeze, it brought my whole system down. that is not fun.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Lysette wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

Its funny, no matter what mmo i am playing the forums are always the same.

People bashing devs for not listening, and saying the game is going to die. Then someone comes in blindly saying the devs can do no wrong.

Then you get the pvpers crying foul for class imbalance...

Seriously its just a game...the devs cant fix everything with a snap of the finger...otherwise the 5 other mmo games with forums exactly the same as this one claiming devs dont listen wouldn't exist.

Also no mmo can be perfect and anyone blindly following the devs saying they can do no wrong are fools...otherwise there would be no gamebreaking bugs..

And pvp balance is not possible if you want any diversity in a game. If it upsets you find a workaround or just join the FOTM

There will always be bitter vets, that is true, even if a game works nearly to 100% - like EVE online for example - it dies since 13 years - lol - and is pretty much alive. Does it have bugs - yes, it happens - but .... those get fixed in a timely manner. I have never to worry that they will stay for long - not that I would come across a lot of them at all - to me that is a perfect game, nearly bug free and bugs are addressed in a timely manner - I expect that from a subscription game.

Nearly bug free?

Seriously?

Nah you can't be that disillusioned.

Well the level 1-50 and VR1-14 content isnt very bugged. I have four characters now who have completed cadwells silver/gold. At the beginning yes there was some game stopping issues. These days its mainly people complaining about TG or PVP balance etc. Or people using the 64 bit client which is in beta expecting it to be 100% bug free.

I use the 32-bit client and have issues - that is why I am NOW in EVE and not in ESO - play a working game for a change.

What problems? When I use the 32 bit client I havent had any problems. I only crash and see pink textures stuff like that with the 64 bit client.

WalkingLegacy

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

Its funny, no matter what mmo i am playing the forums are always the same.

People bashing devs for not listening, and saying the game is going to die. Then someone comes in blindly saying the devs can do no wrong.

Then you get the pvpers crying foul for class imbalance...

Seriously its just a game...the devs cant fix everything with a snap of the finger...otherwise the 5 other mmo games with forums exactly the same as this one claiming devs dont listen wouldn't exist.

Also no mmo can be perfect and anyone blindly following the devs saying they can do no wrong are fools...otherwise there would be no gamebreaking bugs..

And pvp balance is not possible if you want any diversity in a game. If it upsets you find a workaround or just join the FOTM

There will always be bitter vets, that is true, even if a game works nearly to 100% - like EVE online for example - it dies since 13 years - lol - and is pretty much alive. Does it have bugs - yes, it happens - but .... those get fixed in a timely manner. I have never to worry that they will stay for long - not that I would come across a lot of them at all - to me that is a perfect game, nearly bug free and bugs are addressed in a timely manner - I expect that from a subscription game.

Nearly bug free?

Seriously?

Nah you can't be that disillusioned.

Well the level 1-50 and VR1-14 content isnt very bugged. I have four characters now who have completed cadwells silver/gold. At the beginning yes there was some game stopping issues. These days its mainly people complaining about TG or PVP balance etc. Or people using the 64 bit client which is in beta expecting it to be 100% bug free.

The original content is just as buggy, and still quite a bit of quests that bug out with you're in a group. AD faction, my BFF and I had to reset a total of 7-8 quests because of them bugging out, and some of them were the really long quests.

Also, ability bugs and client bugs carry over to vanilla obviously.

The pink textures effect, Templar charge/2H charge still broke, sound issues, etc all effect the entire game. The 64 bit issues carried over to the 32bit client from what I have been reading.

These days you have a handful of forum white knights acting like nothing is wrong.

Lysette

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

Its funny, no matter what mmo i am playing the forums are always the same.

People bashing devs for not listening, and saying the game is going to die. Then someone comes in blindly saying the devs can do no wrong.

Then you get the pvpers crying foul for class imbalance...

Seriously its just a game...the devs cant fix everything with a snap of the finger...otherwise the 5 other mmo games with forums exactly the same as this one claiming devs dont listen wouldn't exist.

Also no mmo can be perfect and anyone blindly following the devs saying they can do no wrong are fools...otherwise there would be no gamebreaking bugs..

And pvp balance is not possible if you want any diversity in a game. If it upsets you find a workaround or just join the FOTM

There will always be bitter vets, that is true, even if a game works nearly to 100% - like EVE online for example - it dies since 13 years - lol - and is pretty much alive. Does it have bugs - yes, it happens - but .... those get fixed in a timely manner. I have never to worry that they will stay for long - not that I would come across a lot of them at all - to me that is a perfect game, nearly bug free and bugs are addressed in a timely manner - I expect that from a subscription game.

Nearly bug free?

Seriously?

Nah you can't be that disillusioned.

Well the level 1-50 and VR1-14 content isnt very bugged. I have four characters now who have completed cadwells silver/gold. At the beginning yes there was some game stopping issues. These days its mainly people complaining about TG or PVP balance etc. Or people using the 64 bit client which is in beta expecting it to be 100% bug free.

I use the 32-bit client and have issues - that is why I am NOW in EVE and not in ESO - play a working game for a change.

What problems? When I use the 32 bit client I havent had any problems. I only crash and see pink textures stuff like that with the 64 bit client.

I described it - freezes randomly - fps drops - stuff like that - was not that way before the patch, there it was very stable and fun to play with 45-75 fps - but now it is sometimes like 10 fps and a 999+ latency - that is not fun at all.

nimander99

Lysette wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

Its funny, no matter what mmo i am playing the forums are always the same.

People bashing devs for not listening, and saying the game is going to die. Then someone comes in blindly saying the devs can do no wrong.

Then you get the pvpers crying foul for class imbalance...

Seriously its just a game...the devs cant fix everything with a snap of the finger...otherwise the 5 other mmo games with forums exactly the same as this one claiming devs dont listen wouldn't exist.

Also no mmo can be perfect and anyone blindly following the devs saying they can do no wrong are fools...otherwise there would be no gamebreaking bugs..

And pvp balance is not possible if you want any diversity in a game. If it upsets you find a workaround or just join the FOTM

There will always be bitter vets, that is true, even if a game works nearly to 100% - like EVE online for example - it dies since 13 years - lol - and is pretty much alive. Does it have bugs - yes, it happens - but .... those get fixed in a timely manner. I have never to worry that they will stay for long - not that I would come across a lot of them at all - to me that is a perfect game, nearly bug free and bugs are addressed in a timely manner - I expect that from a subscription game.

Nearly bug free?

Seriously?

Nah you can't be that disillusioned.

Well the level 1-50 and VR1-14 content isnt very bugged. I have four characters now who have completed cadwells silver/gold. At the beginning yes there was some game stopping issues. These days its mainly people complaining about TG or PVP balance etc. Or people using the 64 bit client which is in beta expecting it to be 100% bug free.

I use the 32-bit client and have issues - that is why I am NOW in EVE and not in ESO - play a working game for a change.

What problems? When I use the 32 bit client I havent had any problems. I only crash and see pink textures stuff like that with the 64 bit client.

I described it - freezes randomly - fps drops - stuff like that - was not that way before the patch, there it was very stable and fun to play with 45-75 fps - but now it is sometimes like 10 fps and a 999+ latency - that is not fun at all.

I have found that disabling certain addons eliminates the +999 latecy, just fyi it might be worth a try.

Lysette

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

Its funny, no matter what mmo i am playing the forums are always the same.

People bashing devs for not listening, and saying the game is going to die. Then someone comes in blindly saying the devs can do no wrong.

Then you get the pvpers crying foul for class imbalance...

Seriously its just a game...the devs cant fix everything with a snap of the finger...otherwise the 5 other mmo games with forums exactly the same as this one claiming devs dont listen wouldn't exist.

Also no mmo can be perfect and anyone blindly following the devs saying they can do no wrong are fools...otherwise there would be no gamebreaking bugs..

And pvp balance is not possible if you want any diversity in a game. If it upsets you find a workaround or just join the FOTM

There will always be bitter vets, that is true, even if a game works nearly to 100% - like EVE online for example - it dies since 13 years - lol - and is pretty much alive. Does it have bugs - yes, it happens - but .... those get fixed in a timely manner. I have never to worry that they will stay for long - not that I would come across a lot of them at all - to me that is a perfect game, nearly bug free and bugs are addressed in a timely manner - I expect that from a subscription game.

Nearly bug free?

Seriously?

Nah you can't be that disillusioned.

Well the level 1-50 and VR1-14 content isnt very bugged. I have four characters now who have completed cadwells silver/gold. At the beginning yes there was some game stopping issues. These days its mainly people complaining about TG or PVP balance etc. Or people using the 64 bit client which is in beta expecting it to be 100% bug free.

The original content is just as buggy, and still quite a bit of quests that bug out with you're in a group. AD faction, my BFF and I had to reset a total of 7-8 quests because of them bugging out, and some of them were the really long quests.

Also, ability bugs and client bugs carry over to vanilla obviously.

The pink textures effect, Templar charge/2H charge still broke, sound issues, etc all effect the entire game. The 64 bit issues carried over to the 32bit client from what I have been reading.

These days you have a handful of forum white knights acting like nothing is wrong.

yes, and with a latency of 999+ sometimes these abilities do not even work at all sometimes - that is annoying.

Lysette

nimander99 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

Its funny, no matter what mmo i am playing the forums are always the same.

People bashing devs for not listening, and saying the game is going to die. Then someone comes in blindly saying the devs can do no wrong.

Then you get the pvpers crying foul for class imbalance...

Seriously its just a game...the devs cant fix everything with a snap of the finger...otherwise the 5 other mmo games with forums exactly the same as this one claiming devs dont listen wouldn't exist.

Also no mmo can be perfect and anyone blindly following the devs saying they can do no wrong are fools...otherwise there would be no gamebreaking bugs..

And pvp balance is not possible if you want any diversity in a game. If it upsets you find a workaround or just join the FOTM

There will always be bitter vets, that is true, even if a game works nearly to 100% - like EVE online for example - it dies since 13 years - lol - and is pretty much alive. Does it have bugs - yes, it happens - but .... those get fixed in a timely manner. I have never to worry that they will stay for long - not that I would come across a lot of them at all - to me that is a perfect game, nearly bug free and bugs are addressed in a timely manner - I expect that from a subscription game.

Nearly bug free?

Seriously?

Nah you can't be that disillusioned.

Well the level 1-50 and VR1-14 content isnt very bugged. I have four characters now who have completed cadwells silver/gold. At the beginning yes there was some game stopping issues. These days its mainly people complaining about TG or PVP balance etc. Or people using the 64 bit client which is in beta expecting it to be 100% bug free.

I use the 32-bit client and have issues - that is why I am NOW in EVE and not in ESO - play a working game for a change.

What problems? When I use the 32 bit client I havent had any problems. I only crash and see pink textures stuff like that with the 64 bit client.

I described it - freezes randomly - fps drops - stuff like that - was not that way before the patch, there it was very stable and fun to play with 45-75 fps - but now it is sometimes like 10 fps and a 999+ latency - that is not fun at all.

I have found that disabling certain addons eliminates the +999 latecy, just fyi it might be worth a try.

Tried that - it is not my add-ons - it is anyway a wierd issue - I can start freshly and might get the 10 fps right away - already on the character selection screen often - sometimes it is fine, I login to the game world and it is ok, normal fps - another time it is not - am I willing to log in and out and in and out until it might eventually work - no. I am not willing to put up with that crap.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

I dont know really what your problem could be. Ive checked the forums as well as asked around in my guild noone seems to be having those kind of issues. I have high latency on trueflame. Anywhere from 200 to sometimes 600 or 700ms but it clears up right away when I zone out of cyrodill. Get some fps issues in hews bane but thats the only place. I assume once the newness wears off those problems will clear up as people move on to other zones or arent logging in as much.

Have you tried posting in the tech support section? Maybe someone else has those same issues and figured out how to work around them.

Lysette

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I dont know really what your problem could be. Ive checked the forums as well as asked around in my guild noone seems to be having those kind of issues. I have high latency on trueflame. Anywhere from 200 to sometimes 600 or 700ms but it clears up right away when I zone out of cyrodill. Get some fps issues in hews bane but thats the only place. I assume once the newness wears off those problems will clear up as people move on to other zones or arent logging in as much.

Have you tried posting in the tech support section? Maybe someone else has those same issues and figured out how to work around them.

I have just 2 states basically - either it is working - then I have around 130 latency and 45-75 fps - what is quite good given that I have a distance of over 10,000 km to the server - or I get into these issues with high latency and 10 fps. Nevertheless, even if it works, I experience random freezes - the game simply stops to work and does not even terminate or so - it is just frozen until I kill that task.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Lysette wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I dont know really what your problem could be. Ive checked the forums as well as asked around in my guild noone seems to be having those kind of issues. I have high latency on trueflame. Anywhere from 200 to sometimes 600 or 700ms but it clears up right away when I zone out of cyrodill. Get some fps issues in hews bane but thats the only place. I assume once the newness wears off those problems will clear up as people move on to other zones or arent logging in as much.

Have you tried posting in the tech support section? Maybe someone else has those same issues and figured out how to work around them.

I have just 2 states basically - either it is working - then I have around 130 latency and 45-75 fps - what is quite good given that I have a distance of over 10,000 km to the server - or I get into these issues with high latency and 10 fps. Nevertheless, even if it works, I experience random freezes - the game simply stops to work and does not even terminate or so - it is just frozen until I kill that task.

I wish I could help more Im sorry.

Lysette

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I dont know really what your problem could be. Ive checked the forums as well as asked around in my guild noone seems to be having those kind of issues. I have high latency on trueflame. Anywhere from 200 to sometimes 600 or 700ms but it clears up right away when I zone out of cyrodill. Get some fps issues in hews bane but thats the only place. I assume once the newness wears off those problems will clear up as people move on to other zones or arent logging in as much.

Have you tried posting in the tech support section? Maybe someone else has those same issues and figured out how to work around them.

I have just 2 states basically - either it is working - then I have around 130 latency and 45-75 fps - what is quite good given that I have a distance of over 10,000 km to the server - or I get into these issues with high latency and 10 fps. Nevertheless, even if it works, I experience random freezes - the game simply stops to work and does not even terminate or so - it is just frozen until I kill that task.

I wish I could help more Im sorry.

Well, I hope the patch will help with it - we will see - eventually it will get fixed and then it will be fine and I will be happy to play again. I love the game, I just hate it's current state.

Edit: but I can now understand the frustration which pvp guys have - when you really want to play, but the issues are so off-putting, that you do not even want to login - that is so frustrating.

Lysette

It is not other people which are causing this - like I said, I can have these issues already on the character selection screen. I tend to rotate my characters to see if the bug is there or not. If not, I try to login - it might be ok, it might be not, nevertheless. Do i want to try and try and try until I finally successfully logged in - but my time to play is gone and wasted on dealing with this issue - I rather play something else - than to waste my time on bugs - and I just post here, that it gets heard, that someone from the Devs might realize, that this is an issue which costs them actual money - because people get pissed and might never log in again.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

I think the difference is everyone has the crashing and latency issues in cyrodill. Your problem is unique.

starkerealm

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

Watch.

This is classic straw-man: attack a single point I was wrong about and ignore all of the rest. The goal here is to make it seem like they have won. That is the only goal from these guys.

It's not to help the thread it's not to discuss anything. Make ppl look dumb and make yourself look smart.

Quit trolling.

No, that's not a straw man. A straw man fallacy is when you invent a position that's easy to destroy for your opponent, then rail on them.

For example, if someone said, "PvP players like to maul kittens in their off time, therefore they're horrible people." That would be a straw man fallacy.

There IS a fallacy that disregards the speaker for an unrelated or trivial error, though I forget what it's called, off hand. So you may need to look it up.

Lysette

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think the difference is everyone has the crashing and latency issues in cyrodill. Your problem is unique.

I don't know how the client is programmed - but I would normally think of a race condition or a dead lock here - where one task on hand is waiting on another to complete and that one is as well waiting on the other one - such a dead lock is normally resolved with a time out, and then it is tried again - if this is a short time out, it could lead to a slow down like this. But of course that is just a guess.

Edit: it is related to initialization tasks in my case - that's for certain, otherwise it would not happen in the character selection screen as well.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

Watch.

This is classic straw-man: attack a single point I was wrong about and ignore all of the rest. The goal here is to make it seem like they have won. That is the only goal from these guys.

It's not to help the thread it's not to discuss anything. Make ppl look dumb and make yourself look smart.

Quit trolling.

No, that's not a straw man. A straw man fallacy is when you invent a position that's easy to destroy for your opponent, then rail on them.

For example, if someone said, "PvP players like to maul kittens in their off time, therefore they're horrible people." That would be a straw man fallacy.

There IS a fallacy that disregards the speaker for an unrelated or trivial error, though I forget what it's called, off hand. So you may need to look it up.

Isnt it called ad hominem? (prob spelled it wrong lol)

starkerealm

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

Btw bro I wonder does that 13% figure include all the players discussed earlier in the thread who quit before before level 10 and couldn't even enter Cyrodiil?

It doesn't matter tho it's not about facts to ya, and what is actually happening. It is about wit and outpacing ppl.

Shutting u down dude no more trolling here

That's cute. Specifically not quoting me, and hoping I'd miss it, so you could "win" via the last man speaking fallacy.

Roughly 18% of players, so almost 1 in 5 (though not quite) make it to level 50. That's... no, wait for it, that's more than the number of people who ever choose to enter Cryodiil. (To be fair, I've seen both 13% and 18% for this statistic, and I don't have the PC completion rate. Nor do I have completion rates for the lvl10, 20, 30, and 40 achievements. You want to know exactly how far people get, you need those numbers.)

Now, I am basing these numbers off people syncing their PS4 and XBone achievement progress to websites, so it's entirely possible there's some vast swarm of PvPers out there on PC that are secretly clogging up all of the campaigns... except, there's fewer campaigns now than ever before.

Again, going from games that actually publish their PvP stats, the normal active, hard core PvP community in an MMO runs at around 5% of the population. Which is kinda a magic turning point. When it dips below that, it starts to become a waste to devote developer resources to support PvP, which can lead to PvP resource freezes and encourages an exodus.

Ironically, the entire point of the IC was to try to get the PvE community involved in PvP. It was literally there as bait, saying, "yeah, no, come in, the water's fine." And, you know what, that would have worked... if the PvP community didn't turn around and gank them, while laughing about how they were carebears. So, then, they left. The IC died. PvP continued to dwindle. And you've got PvPers who would like you to know how "elite," they are, if only they could find someone to fight.

Anytime you go into Cyrodiil and snuff that level 14 that was dumb enough to find you, you're contributing to the problem. Hell, I've contributed to the problem.

But, that approach to PvP alienates players. Then they leave, and they never come back to play with you.

starkerealm

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

Watch.

This is classic straw-man: attack a single point I was wrong about and ignore all of the rest. The goal here is to make it seem like they have won. That is the only goal from these guys.

It's not to help the thread it's not to discuss anything. Make ppl look dumb and make yourself look smart.

Quit trolling.

No, that's not a straw man. A straw man fallacy is when you invent a position that's easy to destroy for your opponent, then rail on them.

For example, if someone said, "PvP players like to maul kittens in their off time, therefore they're horrible people." That would be a straw man fallacy.

There IS a fallacy that disregards the speaker for an unrelated or trivial error, though I forget what it's called, off hand. So you may need to look it up.

Isnt it called ad hominem? (prob spelled it wrong lol)

No, ad hominem is when you turn the debate into personal attacks. Which, you know, "maul kittens" probably qualifies for that as well. Though, I think you did spell it correctly.

WalkingLegacy

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think the difference is everyone has the crashing and latency issues in cyrodill. Your problem is unique.

No, crashing and latency has carried over to the rest of the continent.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think the difference is everyone has the crashing and latency issues in cyrodill. Your problem is unique.

No, crashing and latency has carried over to the rest of the continent.

I have never crashed once outside of cyrodill. Nor had any latency issues. Always around 80-100 at the most.

WalkingLegacy

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think the difference is everyone has the crashing and latency issues in cyrodill. Your problem is unique.

No, crashing and latency has carried over to the rest of the continent.

I have never crashed once outside of cyrodill. Nor had any latency issues. Always around 80-100 at the most.

You've never been murdered either so murder doesn't happen too, right?

Edit: Just adding a smiley face to tone it down. Some people think a little self centered. "Never happened to me so it's not happening to you"

Lysette

There is no reason to be hostile, if he had no issues, fine. Issue on PC can be weird sometimes, like so many say the 64-bit client has sound issues - I had all kind of issues, but sound was none of those - what is weird, because so many have them. On the other side, my login fps drop issue seems to be unique to me, no one else seem to have it. Well, I remember a sound issue now with the 64-bit client, but it just happened once - I did not hear thief's troves humming - but that was just once.

GreenGhostMan

Kova wrote: »

They should try putting us on "Ignore" then.


No, I get what you mean, but the community has had valid concerns for something that has become a large part of their lives and the administration as been silent on every major issue because they didn't want to lose sales. Then they come out with interviews like this that completely misappropriate their player base in order to attract more box sales.

Also, NOTHING in this thread is overly hostile, and I have seen some salty attacks before.I understand playing the devil's advocate, but when you want transparency from a thick hide, you must poke some holes.

Everyone has chosen to let ESO become a large part of their lives. ESO isn't a necessity. Those that claim mistreatment or being ignored need to realize that you will live without ESO. This isn't public transportation or running water. The devs don't owe you anything. You give your money to them willingly. You are not stuck playing ESO. The game is not inescapable. You have options, go play something else if this game is so bad.

Lysette

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think the difference is everyone has the crashing and latency issues in cyrodill. Your problem is unique.

No, crashing and latency has carried over to the rest of the continent.

I have never crashed once outside of cyrodill. Nor had any latency issues. Always around 80-100 at the most.

Since the patch I experience latency spikes for example in Davon's watch - even when it is not crowded - it sometimes spikes to 999+ for a couple of seconds and goes back to normal after that. I see no reason what could cause that with pretty much no one around in the early morning hours.

starkerealm

Lysette wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think the difference is everyone has the crashing and latency issues in cyrodill. Your problem is unique.

No, crashing and latency has carried over to the rest of the continent.

I have never crashed once outside of cyrodill. Nor had any latency issues. Always around 80-100 at the most.

Since the patch I experience latency spikes for example in Davon's watch - even when it is not crowded - it sometimes spikes to 999+ for a couple of seconds and goes back to normal after that. I see no reason what could cause that with pretty much no one around in the early morning hours.

That one might not be server side. If your connection flakes out at night because your ISP is messing around, it'll show up as a 999+.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think the difference is everyone has the crashing and latency issues in cyrodill. Your problem is unique.

No, crashing and latency has carried over to the rest of the continent.

I have never crashed once outside of cyrodill. Nor had any latency issues. Always around 80-100 at the most.

You've never been murdered either so murder doesn't happen too, right?

Edit: Just adding a smiley face to tone it down. Some people think a little self centered. "Never happened to me so it's not happening to you"

Well I mean your flawed analogy aside it isnt something thats being spread all over the forums. So its not just it isnt happening to me. It isnt happening to anyone as far as I can tell. Ive searched the forums and noone has the same problems she has. Crashing in dungeons yes but supposedly that was fixed a couple patches ago. Crashing everywhere and having 999+ ms latency everywhere isnt happening to people. If it was wide spread seems like there would be as many posts as the lag posts about cyrodill which number in the 100s.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

GreenGhostMan wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

They should try putting us on "Ignore" then.


No, I get what you mean, but the community has had valid concerns for something that has become a large part of their lives and the administration as been silent on every major issue because they didn't want to lose sales. Then they come out with interviews like this that completely misappropriate their player base in order to attract more box sales.

Also, NOTHING in this thread is overly hostile, and I have seen some salty attacks before.I understand playing the devil's advocate, but when you want transparency from a thick hide, you must poke some holes.

Everyone has chosen to let ESO become a large part of their lives. ESO isn't a necessity. Those that claim mistreatment or being ignored need to realize that you will live without ESO. This isn't public transportation or running water. The devs don't owe you anything. You give your money to them willingly. You are not stuck playing ESO. The game is not inescapable. You have options, go play something else if this game is so bad.

ESO is not a large part of my life. I play it ya but I mean beer and sports Im way more passionate about lol.