PTS Patch Notes v2.3.0

Erraln

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]White-Gold Tower

• You can no longer remove Molag Kena’s Shock Spear by using the Spear Shards Synergy near it.

Assuming it wouldn't mess with anything, can we get a game-wide reset on this achievement as a result of this fix? It'd be nice to have it exclusive to those who have earned it.

olsborg

Magicka Detonation:
Reduced the damage from this ability and its morphs by 15%.
Increased the amount of additional damage per hit to 10% additional damage per target hit from 5%
Increased the cap for the bonus damage to a total of 100% more damage done, from 25% more damage done.

This needs to change. Its still gonna be used to 1target ganking. Increase the dmg per target hit above 2 targets by 10%. So if it only hit one target, no increase, if it hits 2 targets = 10% incr etc etc

Valve

Nice updates and fixes coming!

Nifty2g

Erraln wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]White-Gold Tower

• You can no longer remove Molag Kena’s Shock Spear by using the Spear Shards Synergy near it.

Assuming it wouldn't mess with anything, can we get a game-wide reset on this achievement as a result of this fix? It'd be nice to have it exclusive to those who have earned it.

That achievement isn't hard to get at all though, kena hardmode is very easy

Erraln

The difficulty of earning it is irrelevant. Many have that achievement based on exploiting the mechanic which rewards it. If the achievement is not reset, only players with clear dates after Thieves Guild launch will be able to say "I did this" without their peers questioning their truthfulness. That doesn't quite match the spirit of it, right?

Nifty2g

Erraln wrote: »

The difficulty of earning it is irrelevant. Many have that achievement based on exploiting the mechanic which rewards it. If the achievement is not reset, only players with clear dates after Thieves Guild launch will be able to say "I did this" without their peers questioning their truthfulness. That doesn't quite match the spirit of it, right?

Well I mean I don't see what's wrong with it? Most people just do it to quickly do the weekly, everyone who got it either did it at launch when it was unknown, I was in Deltias group when we did hardmode for the first time and we thought it was caused by DPSing the boss really fast and skipped a phase lol.
Took like 2 hours to finally beat that

Most people who get that achievement is scaling the dungeons down anyway getting no death and their pets. Resetting it isn't going to prove its worth.

CALiiGeDDon

I see that Dark Flare is getting a damage buff of 12% buy why not make it more like Crystal Frag and give a chance to have it have a 0 second cast time when using another skill and make the cast time 1 second instead of 1.1. Or just remove the proc chance Crystal Frag.

bowmanz607

CALiiGeDDon wrote: »

I see that Dark Flare is getting a damage buff of 12% buy why not make it more like Crystal Frag and give a chance to have it have a 0 second cast time when using another skill and make the cast time 1 second instead of 1.1. Or just remove the proc chance Crystal Frag.

no. stop trying to make all skills similar.

Solariken

"Igneous Weapons (Molten Weapons morph): This morph will now grant you and your allies the Major Brutality buff for 30 seconds, in addition to the Major Sorcery buff."

Whatcha doin' ZOS? I thought you were going to strip some of these "all allies in range" buffs back so that they affect group or self only to help with the lag.

WHATCHA DOIN' ZOS? @ZOS_BrianWheeler @Wrobel

Husan

Solariken wrote: »

"Igneous Weapons (Molten Weapons morph): This morph will now grant you and your allies the Major Brutality buff for 30 seconds, in addition to the Major Sorcery buff."

Whatcha doin' ZOS? I thought you were going to strip some of these "all allies in range" buffs back so that they affect group or self only to help with the lag.

WHATCHA DOIN' ZOS? @ZOS_BrianWheeler @Wrobel

Nice catch. Obviously it only counts for templars, don't wanna homogenize the classes too much kappa

LadyNalcarya

Erraln wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]White-Gold Tower

• You can no longer remove Molag Kena’s Shock Spear by using the Spear Shards Synergy near it.

Assuming it wouldn't mess with anything, can we get a game-wide reset on this achievement as a result of this fix? It'd be nice to have it exclusive to those who have earned it.

Actually in this case they should stop giving out this achievement whatsoever and remove it from every char that obtained it after the nerf
No-death and hard-mode used to be somewhat tricky at the start, but these days even casual groups can easily farm this dungeon.

TRoclodyte

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]White-Gold Tower

• You can no longer remove Molag Kena’s Shock Spear by using the Spear Shards Synergy near it.

Assuming it wouldn't mess with anything, can we get a game-wide reset on this achievement as a result of this fix? It'd be nice to have it exclusive to those who have earned it.

Actually in this case they should stop giving out this achievement whatsoever and remove it from every char that obtained it after the nerf
No-death and hard-mode used to be somewhat tricky at the start, but these days even casual groups can easily farm this dungeon.

Na. I'm still not able to.

hamgatan

Erraln wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*]White-Gold Tower

• You can no longer remove Molag Kena’s Shock Spear by using the Spear Shards Synergy near it.

Assuming it wouldn't mess with anything, can we get a game-wide reset on this achievement as a result of this fix? It'd be nice to have it exclusive to those who have earned it.

yeah just no.

achievement means exactly that.. you achieved something. the achievement is defeat Molag Kena after reading the Tome. The Shards 'exploit' is merely an unintended mechanic of that. personally I think it was actually a decent mechanic. worked your healer just that little bit more having to throw one more thing into the mix of their rotation.

Erraln

Imagine if it were Sanctum Ophidia, and the Serpent could be forced to not perform World Shapers after his banners were burnt. Since the trigger is burning the banners and not dodging the mechanic that activates, that would be an a-ok way to get the Hard Mode cleared achievement, right?

Does that illustrate the problem clearly? If you guys disagree with my request, that's fine, I don't believe it would be popular. But throwing random justifications like 'it's easy' or 'everyone does it' does not remove the fact that it has been possible to cheat in that bossfight for six months, and most everyone with the achievement has done it at one point or another, whether for convenience or ineptitude. Since it's being made fair coming up, this is the best time for a reset. Whether ZoS chooses to is up to them.

hamgatan

Erraln wrote: »

Imagine if it were Sanctum Ophidia, and the Serpent could be forced to not perform World Shapers after his banners were burnt. Since the trigger is burning the banners and not dodging the mechanic that activates, that would be an a-ok way to get the Hard Mode cleared achievement, right?

Does that illustrate the problem clearly?

Not everybody is at HODOR's level.

does that illustrate it clearly?

Erraln

hamgatan wrote: »

Not everybody is at HODOR's level.

does that illustrate it clearly?

Achievements are to be achieved, not given.

hamgatan

Erraln wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

Not everybody is at HODOR's level.

does that illustrate it clearly?

Achievements are to be achieved, not given.

okay put it this way. if you sat your drivers licence test in 1995 for example under laws at the time and passed... then the government decided 20 years later to change the requirements on the practical assessment because they felt they should introduce separate classes for Manual and Auto cars.... and subsequently cancelled everyone's drivers licences sat prior to that and made them resit the test for the category of car they drive.. do you think the general consensus would be one of 'hey, this government is awesome, lets reelect them!'? Or a lynch mob baying for blood?

Erraln

hamgatan wrote: »

okay put it this way. if you sat your drivers licence test in 1995 for example under laws at the time and passed... then the government decided 20 years later to change the requirements on the practical assessment because they felt they should introduce separate classes for Manual and Auto cars.... and subsequently cancelled everyone's drivers licences sat prior to that and made them resit the test for the category of car they drive.. do you think the general consensus would be one of 'hey, this government is awesome, lets reelect them!'? Or a lynch mob baying for blood?

That's a good image, but the setup would be more akin to having a particular light in the driving route that happened to always be green when a prospective driver went through, because their buddies always tampered with it as they were taking the test. If there were no other checks for a driver's ability to stop at a red light (dodge counter-rotating lightning walls) during the course and the test administrator didn't think to revise the route, why then, people who couldn't brake could get their license, couldn't they? Do those people deserve to be driving?

EDIT: This discussion is pointless. Revoking the achievement would also reduce progress to Imperial City Challenger/ the Necrotic Hoarvor unlock, something that I had forgotten. I'm not one to ask for people's pets to be removed until they go clear a dungeon again. My request was based on the idea that the achievement would affect nothing else, which wouldn't be true.

hamgatan

Erraln wrote: »

That's a good image, but the setup would be more akin to having a particular light in the driving route that happened to always be green when a prospective driver went through, because their buddies always tampered with it as they were taking the test. If there were no other checks for a driver's ability to stop at a red light (dodge counter-rotating lightning walls) during the course and the test administrator didn't think to revise the route, why then, people who couldn't brake could get their license, couldn't they? Do those people deserve to be driving?

god no, but is it right to punish the majority for the few who have rorted the system?

Erraln

Read my edit, I had forgotten that there were any unlocks tied to the thing. Revoking it would mess with that, I assume, and that's too much trouble just to make it a fair challenge.

LadyNalcarya

Erraln wrote: »

Imagine if it were Sanctum Ophidia, and the Serpent could be forced to not perform World Shapers after his banners were burnt. Since the trigger is burning the banners and not dodging the mechanic that activates, that would be an a-ok way to get the Hard Mode cleared achievement, right?

Does that illustrate the problem clearly? If you guys disagree with my request, that's fine, I don't believe it would be popular. But throwing random justifications like 'it's easy' or 'everyone does it' does not remove the fact that it has been possible to cheat in that bossfight for six months, and most everyone with the achievement has done it at one point or another, whether for convenience or ineptitude. Since it's being made fair coming up, this is the best time for a reset. Whether ZoS chooses to is up to them.

Actually Kena throws her lightning thingies in normal mode as well so your comparison is incorrect.
Also I dont think its that big of a deal. I cleared this dungeon without any templars, a couple of times even without a healer (my nb mage+2 sorc dds+dk tank) and didnt have much issues with the last boss. And I still dont care if someone cheesed their farming runs. Tbh I dont believe that even people from top guilds didnt use this trick to make farming a bit faster or out of sheer laziness.

Birdovic

BuggeX wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno btw does empowering chain now work like a regular gap closer or still like a Projektil?

Like a Projectile (Dodgeable)

LocoAztec

Can we be in a group to get that XP bonus for the daily random dungeon or do we have to queue up as individual using group finder?

Groove74

Was the bounties updated to where even after the bounty times out if you still have stolen items that the guards will still stop you?

Enodoc

Groove74 wrote: »

Was the bounties updated to where even after the bounty times out if you still have stolen items that the guards will still stop you?

@Groove74 That's a bug. The displayed bounty on the UI decays slightly faster than your actual bounty according to the server. So the UI is saying you don't have a bounty, when you actually still do.

Shadowshire

pogopwns_ESO wrote: »

Lawl! cry more baddies! "Omg I'm a khajjit and still don't have enough crit somehow. Omg ... . Omg ... . Omg ... ." Get. Friggin. GOOD! Stop the QQ and just L2P the game the way they made it for goodness sake!

Unfortunately, Bethesda and/or Zenimax Online continue to change the abilities which a player's character can use, along with numerous other changes to armor, weapons, potions, etc. Too many of these "improvements" have rendered every assumption that most of us made -- while choosing the race and class for a character and developing it -- subsequently invalid. Our choices which were once the best are now, all too often, nullified by game designer fiat, and we are not given any suitable alternatives.

For example, they have repeatedly "nerfed" Sorcerer abilities to the point that there is no compelling reason to play that class any longer. Yet they have also increased the power and utility of the abilities of other classes in ways that make them a cariacature of what the characters in those classes once were. Eventually, of course, they will probably begin nerfing those too.

What do you think of the "elimination" of Veteran ranks, transmogrified to "Level 50 Champion Points xxx"??? It seems to have never occurred to any game designer(s) -- never mind the players -- that any game which has character "levels" must eventually have a maximum level which cannot be increased. Even in a fantasy game, no character can continue to grow in power and ability infinitely. Contrary to the illusions and preferences of some players, doing so is not the goal of the game.

Often I have the impression that Bethesda simply has no clue and is searching in the dark for solutions to non-existent problems. Every change they make is far more likely to make matters worse and render the game less desirable to play than likely to actually improve anything and make the game more desirable.

About the only exception so far is the Crafting Bag. But it is only a matter of time before they decide that it introduces some problems for them, for which the solutions will be half-baked changes that cripple the feature, thus compromise its benefits.