Multiple Mundus Stones

OGLezard

this comment will get me banned LOLOLOLOL but it is official, ZoS does NOT ban anyone for exploiting! They LOVE to ban people on the forums though for speaking out. If this game dies it isnt because of lack of fun, it will be because lack of HARSH punishment for those exploiting and abusing broke mechanics.

GG ZoS, my time away from you has saved me some headache I can see.

Whatzituyah

OGLezard wrote: »

this comment will get me banned LOLOLOLOL but it is official, ZoS does NOT ban anyone for exploiting! They LOVE to ban people on the forums though for speaking out. If this game dies it isnt because of lack of fun, it will be because lack of HARSH punishment for those exploiting and abusing broke mechanics.

GG ZoS, my time away from you has saved me some headache I can see.

Before you get banned can I haz ure stuff!

OGLezard

sekhem wrote: »

Kippesnikke wrote: »

sekhem wrote: »

What am I missing? How is this an exploit? I change my mundus stone all the time. If I were on PC I imagine this would benefit me but still it's not like you have a button to click to say hey I see I have all the mundus stones cuz of a glitch, I'm turning myself in because I can't make up my mind! It's Zos problem to fix their game not your job to avoid changing your mundus just so you don't have extra mundus benefits.
Is there a reset to wipe all the mundus choices and start over? If not it's not the players fault.

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I would like some elaboration on that. My only point was no one should be banned or punished for having multiple mundus if it's Zos game that is causing the problem. To me an exploit is finding out about a certain way to set up armor sets weapons etc that gets you overpowered. Not simply changing your mundus stone which is a common part of gameplay.

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ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gear combos is NOT an exploit lol thats what this game is about. Abusing mechanics that get you ALL mundus stones IS an exploit...... google what an exploit is please

Destruent

I tested it with some newer characters (created after orsinium-dlc, vetchar/nonvetchar) and it doesn't work at all
Maybe it only works for specific characters and is random?

OGLezard

Whatzituyah wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

this comment will get me banned LOLOLOLOL but it is official, ZoS does NOT ban anyone for exploiting! They LOVE to ban people on the forums though for speaking out. If this game dies it isnt because of lack of fun, it will be because lack of HARSH punishment for those exploiting and abusing broke mechanics.

GG ZoS, my time away from you has saved me some headache I can see.

Before you get banned can I haz ure stuff!

Forum Banned :P Not game banned

Whatzituyah

OGLezard wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

this comment will get me banned LOLOLOLOL but it is official, ZoS does NOT ban anyone for exploiting! They LOVE to ban people on the forums though for speaking out. If this game dies it isnt because of lack of fun, it will be because lack of HARSH punishment for those exploiting and abusing broke mechanics.

GG ZoS, my time away from you has saved me some headache I can see.

Before you get banned can I haz ure stuff!

Forum Banned :P Not game banned

Well than thats some tight tinfoil hat you got.

Casdha

If I had to guess, it could be tied to remapping of inputs where the activate, accept and decline keys are different. The action could be performed but the system code doesn't see the requirement for dropping it (or vice versa) so you get both results.

Just something to play with and try to keep you busy for a while

Edit: and example of this bug is in fishing where you set your activate to the same hold key as the bait select (which can not be changed) when that is done you can not cast a line, you will always pull up bait select.

Grabmoore

This bug is as old as it can be and STILL present! I personally know of one, who has 4 mundus and after his words (i believe him) he couldn't remove them by himself. On top, the non existent customer support answered his very own report in broken german. It was worse than google translate!

Here is a screenshot, a bit old, but still relevant...

BEZDNA

Xantaria wrote: »

BEZDNA wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

BEZDNA wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Is there any way for the player with more than 1 (2) mundusstones to reset them and only have one again?

Anyways: @ZOS Fix this sh**!

As what Xantaria sudgested. Eqiping and uneqiping 5 parts of Twice Born star will remove 1 mundoes stone from you if you have more then 1. If you have 5 mundoes stones on you, repeat that combo 4 times. That works, tested by myself.

Kippesnikke wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno any information from zenimax side about plans to fix this?

i got a pm from Gina asking if i can share any information about that exploit so they can adres that bug asap. That means ZOS is avare of these bug, or at list Gina does and it will be adressed soon. Howeawer don't expect that bug to be fixed soon, it is one of the bugs which is very hard to reproduce so it will take some time for veds to find out what actualy cous it.

Thanks, would have tested it, but i don't need to bc you already did it

@BEZDNA @Destruent
So you have multiple Mundus and know how to get it? Because I still don't get it. :') I have seen someone getting 6 mundus stones live. But whatever he is doing, I can't reproduce it.

used to have on one char in 1.6 patch - got wiped by that 1.7 patch. and also had in 1.7-1.8 patch, not anymore romeved them a while ago with tbs set. I have no idea how to reproduce it, just got them acsidentaly while lvling new chars.

Yeah that's how it is for most people I spoke to. But at this point I'm prettty sure people have figured out how exactly to trigger this.

I don't think so. These bug seems to be one of those which is super hard to reproduce. I have hundreds of ideas how that could happend and everything requires testing and eaven if you know what exactly you have to do, you may need to do it for hours befor you get luck to trigger bug.

I know what i'm talking about becous i had an experience with such kind of bugs back in the days. About 1,5 year ago a friend of mine found a superhuge game breaking bug, the most game breaking bug in ESO i ever saw and it was extreamly hard to reproduce. That bug allowe you to make you time based abilityes work permamentl and stuck on the top of each other, so you could become Unkillable, bush your damage to unlimited numbers, get superspeed, invisibility and other staff. I spend 2 weeks testing that bug and 2 more days with a game master in game reporting it + few huge report notes with all explanations and it took ZOS more then 2 months since that report to fix that bug, cous it was very hard to determin what couses it. And the main idea here is that eaven when i knew what to do to trigger that bug i could spend 2 min and triager it and somtimes i could spend 2 hours without any sucses. Such kind of exploites are not realyable on easy reproducing and probably depend on some 3'rd side forcece.

Alcast

BEZDNA wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

BEZDNA wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

BEZDNA wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Is there any way for the player with more than 1 (2) mundusstones to reset them and only have one again?

Anyways: @ZOS Fix this sh**!

As what Xantaria sudgested. Eqiping and uneqiping 5 parts of Twice Born star will remove 1 mundoes stone from you if you have more then 1. If you have 5 mundoes stones on you, repeat that combo 4 times. That works, tested by myself.

Kippesnikke wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno any information from zenimax side about plans to fix this?

i got a pm from Gina asking if i can share any information about that exploit so they can adres that bug asap. That means ZOS is avare of these bug, or at list Gina does and it will be adressed soon. Howeawer don't expect that bug to be fixed soon, it is one of the bugs which is very hard to reproduce so it will take some time for veds to find out what actualy cous it.

Thanks, would have tested it, but i don't need to bc you already did it

@BEZDNA @Destruent
So you have multiple Mundus and know how to get it? Because I still don't get it. :') I have seen someone getting 6 mundus stones live. But whatever he is doing, I can't reproduce it.

used to have on one char in 1.6 patch - got wiped by that 1.7 patch. and also had in 1.7-1.8 patch, not anymore romeved them a while ago with tbs set. I have no idea how to reproduce it, just got them acsidentaly while lvling new chars.

Yeah that's how it is for most people I spoke to. But at this point I'm prettty sure people have figured out how exactly to trigger this.

I don't think so. These bug seems to be one of those which is super hard to reproduce. I have hundreds of ideas how that could happend and everything requires testing and eaven if you know what exactly you have to do, you may need to do it for hours befor you get luck to trigger bug.

I know what i'm talking about becous i had an experience with such kind of bugs back in the days. About 1,5 year ago a friend of mine found a superhuge game breaking bug, the most game breaking bug in ESO i ever saw and it was extreamly hard to reproduce. That bug allowe you to make you time based abilityes work permamentl and stuck on the top of each other, so you could become Unkillable, bush your damage to unlimited numbers, get superspeed, invisibility and other staff. I spend 2 weeks testing that bug and 2 more days with a game master in game reporting it + few huge report notes with all explanations and it took ZOS more then 2 months since that report to fix that bug, cous it was very hard to determin what couses it. And the main idea here is that eaven when i knew what to do to trigger that bug i could spend 2 min and triager it and somtimes i could spend 2 hours without any sucses. Such kind of exploites are not realyable on easy reproducing and probably depend on some 3'rd side forcece.

True dat..

But you know a bug is easy reproducible when the stuff spreads like wildfire xD

Cuyler

"ZOS ! I saw someone with 8 mundus'!"

Expected Fix - "Limited mundus's to one per player or two with TBS"

Likely Fix - "Fixed 'spy' addon so now you can't see other ppl mundus'."

Egonieser

Artjuh90 wrote: »

wtf addons tell way to mutch of a different player damn. glad that i'm on console and not know the almost exact setup of the enemy lolz

Well, you can live in blissful ignorance, doesn't mean everybody wants to. Thanks to addons like these - exploits and bugs are discovered and reported much faster.

sekhem

Egonieser wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

wtf addons tell way to mutch of a different player damn. glad that i'm on console and not know the almost exact setup of the enemy lolz

Well, you can live in blissful ignorance, doesn't mean everybody wants to. Thanks to addons like these - exploits and bugs are discovered and reported much faster.

Well that particular benefit of addons had not occurred to me. I also was glad that people could not see my dps etc but now I wonder just how many exploits ( I have been schooled and now understand what that means) console players have to deal with that don't get fixed.

Egonieser

sekhem wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

wtf addons tell way to mutch of a different player damn. glad that i'm on console and not know the almost exact setup of the enemy lolz

Well, you can live in blissful ignorance, doesn't mean everybody wants to. Thanks to addons like these - exploits and bugs are discovered and reported much faster.

Well that particular benefit of addons had not occurred to me. I also was glad that people could not see my dps etc but now I wonder just how many exploits ( I have been schooled and now understand what that means) console players have to deal with that don't get fixed.

Exactly, you don't. Which is both good and bad. Positive may be that everyone is equal in terms of what is accessible to them, but also it's much easier to get away with exploits and bug abuse as long as it's not used blatantly and in the open.

LiquidSchwartz

brb making new toon

Xantaria

Destruent wrote: »

I tested it with some newer characters (created after orsinium-dlc, vetchar/nonvetchar) and it doesn't work at all
Maybe it only works for specific characters and is random?

no you need to do a specific series of things. I have seen it being done.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Cuyler wrote: »

"ZOS ! I saw someone with 8 mundus'!"

Expected Fix - "Limited mundus's to one per player or two with TBS"

Likely Fix - "Fixed 'spy' addon so now you can't see other ppl mundus'."

HAAHAHAH the "likely fix" definitely sounds like ZOS. Do nothing, but hide all traces of people exploiting.

Xantaria

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

"ZOS ! I saw someone with 8 mundus'!"

Expected Fix - "Limited mundus's to one per player or two with TBS"

Likely Fix - "Fixed 'spy' addon so now you can't see other ppl mundus'."

HAAHAHAH the "likely fix" definitely sounds like ZOS. Do nothing, but hide all traces of people exploiting.

:') sad but true

teladoy

LOL TO GET 2 MUNDUS STONES EFECT DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS??????

and 2 mundus stones is alrady a big big buff.

Can't believe this happens, this game is full of bugs and exploits, unbalance and is also terrible boring, with quests without no end.

Thanks god I quit and I'm waiting for black desert.

No factions, open pvp after lvl 34, sieges, pk system, clans war and etc.

***** Cyrodil, stupid 3 factions zone, where only wins the faction that more people has connected in the moment or if a big pvp guild goes in.

and at least also in pve the people will be all together, not all separate... I tell you, the factions idea from wow works only in wow, 2 factions as maximum, no more than that.

zerosingularity

In-game bug reports have been made documenting how to reproduce this bug, from some people who actually experienced having the multiple stone bug. I expect it will be fixed in 21xx, when we all have flying cars, and our robot masters have invented magic.

sirrmattus

@RoyJade

how do we exploit?

RoyJade

I was thinking I know, but finally I can't replicate. Two mundus on one char without TBS, I don't know exactly how.
I know two thing : how to "erase" a stone (for the one who give the solution, thanks for the tip), and that you need to take an another stone. But I don't think it will help, sorry.

Manoekin

A lot of overreaction in here. The player in the OP is my friend. I can confirm that it's a bug only on newly created characters, and that all the stones are working. He didn't realize it until he was at about 6 stones because he had been theorycrafting that character for non-vet pvp, and thus tried out a lot of different stones. The others were picked up to confirm that he kept the previous buffs. A terrible bug, but no harm intended.

For the people who say ZOS isn't paying attention... you're wrong. We've been in contact with them, submitted several bug reports, and ZOS is investigating the bug. They're doing whatever they can to figure it out and get a fix in.

Refuse2GrowUp

Manoekin wrote: »

A lot of overreaction in here. The player in the OP is my friend. I can confirm that it's a bug only on newly created characters, and that all the stones are working. He didn't realize it until he was at about 6 stones because he had been theorycrafting that character for non-vet pvp, and thus tried out a lot of different stones. The others were picked up to confirm that he kept the previous buffs. A terrible bug, but no harm intended.

For the people who say ZOS isn't paying attention... you're wrong. We've been in contact with them, submitted several bug reports, and ZOS is investigating the bug. They're doing whatever they can to figure it out and get a fix in.

I am sure someone here would be more than willing to hook your buddy up with a low level set of TBS, assuming he can't do it himself, so that he can voluntarily get rid of all those extra mundus buffs vice go PvP with them. Honest intentions and all...

BEZDNA wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Is there any way for the player with more than 1 (2) mundusstones to reset them and only have one again?

As what Xantaria sudgested. Eqiping and uneqiping 5 parts of Twice Born star will remove 1 mundoes stone from you if you have more then 1. If you have 5 mundoes stones on you, repeat that combo 4 times. That works, tested by myself.

Sharkano

Well, if you hit these keys: *#--__4 in sequence in a five-second span you get all active skills and all passives from all classes and races. Now that I have 46 million AP I thought I'd let the rest of you in on it . . . .

Manoekin

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

A lot of overreaction in here. The player in the OP is my friend. I can confirm that it's a bug only on newly created characters, and that all the stones are working. He didn't realize it until he was at about 6 stones because he had been theorycrafting that character for non-vet pvp, and thus tried out a lot of different stones. The others were picked up to confirm that he kept the previous buffs. A terrible bug, but no harm intended.

For the people who say ZOS isn't paying attention... you're wrong. We've been in contact with them, submitted several bug reports, and ZOS is investigating the bug. They're doing whatever they can to figure it out and get a fix in.

I am sure someone here would be more than willing to hook your buddy up with a low level set of TBS, assuming he can't do it himself, so that he can voluntarily get rid of all those extra mundus buffs vice go PvP with them. Honest intentions and all...

BEZDNA wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Is there any way for the player with more than 1 (2) mundusstones to reset them and only have one again?

As what Xantaria sudgested. Eqiping and uneqiping 5 parts of Twice Born star will remove 1 mundoes stone from you if you have more then 1. If you have 5 mundoes stones on you, repeat that combo 4 times. That works, tested by myself.

That's certainly something we're going to try out.

The_Great_Maldini

Sharkano wrote: »

Well, if you hit these keys: *#--__4 in sequence in a five-second span you get all active skills and all passives from all classes and races. Now that I have 46 million AP I thought I'd let the rest of you in on it . . . .

$10 that 100 people try to do this in game today.

Xantaria

Manoekin wrote: »

A lot of overreaction in here. The player in the OP is my friend. I can confirm that it's a bug only on newly created characters, and that all the stones are working. He didn't realize it until he was at about 6 stones because he had been theorycrafting that character for non-vet pvp, and thus tried out a lot of different stones. The others were picked up to confirm that he kept the previous buffs. A terrible bug, but no harm intended.

For the people who say ZOS isn't paying attention... you're wrong. We've been in contact with them, submitted several bug reports, and ZOS is investigating the bug. They're doing whatever they can to figure it out and get a fix in.

you know ... this bug is here for (atleast) 4 month now. It's about time we do react to this. Because at some point it's getting out of hand.

DDemon

Sharkano wrote: »

Well, if you hit these keys: *#--__4 in sequence in a five-second span you get all active skills and all passives from all classes and races. Now that I have 46 million AP I thought I'd let the rest of you in on it . . . .

Holy crap! I thought you were joking and actually tried it. Didn't realize it did anything so I tried it twice, 92 MILLION AP! And it put me as emperor on the campaign I had my home set to, what the hell man. Typing it in twice does remove the skills however.

Jura23

Really no green post in this thread? Really?