Can we talk about PVP rewards?

Jhunn

Like your PVP isn't in a bad enough state, the rewards given for 30 days of PVP'ing and being in the top 2% is just absolutely ridiculous. A bunch of useless sets, useless traits, no vMSA rewards, nothing. I understand you want people to buy Orsinium and do the new arena, but giving PVP zero incentive at all is just sad. Who am I supposed to tag here? @ZOS_BrianWheeler?

Jhunn

I want to add aswell that this isn't just an unlucky round of rewards for me. It's basically everyone I've talked to. At least you could get Master Weapons (which wasn't included in rewards when DSA came out either, as far as I recall) before veteran cap was raised, but now it's just completely uselss.

Turelus

Better rewards for VR14 than VR16.

They need to find a way to get the PvE exclusive sets back into PvP again (and vice versa) we can focus on what we love and get gear that way.

Draxys

They need to just give us yellow mats for a start, don't give us a chore deconstructing junk like that. Also, it would be nice to have some really good sets that come in coffers that you get a certain amount of when you finish in the top percentile. And guaranteed, like buying the IC sets with stones. We all want a token system, but we also all know that zos will live and die by RNG.

oibam

STURDY and WELL-FITTED

Jhunn

oibam wrote: »

STURDY and WELL-FITTED

Ikr. If I do vMSA for a month I'll have 4x weekly rewards and a chance for Maelstrom weapons for every run I do. If I PVP for a month I'll get 5 sh*t sets with 50% sh*t traits and zero chance for a Maelstrom weapon (AFAIK). Really?

RoamingRiverElk

The campaign rewards really are pretty bad sets, and therefore only good for deconstructing. In which case they're not worth much. Traits on rewards really need to make sense, no sturdy, well-fitted... And the repair stones given at the end of a campaign? It just shows how out of touch whoever decided the number was with PvP... 5 repair kits, 10 repair kits - it's worth Nothing.

Jhunn

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

The campaign rewards really are pretty bad sets, and therefore only good for deconstructing. In which case they're not worth much. Traits on rewards really need to make sense, no sturdy, well-fitted... And the repair stones given at the end of a campaign? It just shows how out of touch whoever decided the number was with PvP... 5 repair kits, 10 repair kits - it's worth Nothing.

I think I got 20 actually! Almost enough for a half keep wall. Great

Erondil

Jhunn wrote: »

oibam wrote: »

STURDY and WELL-FITTED

Ikr. If I do vMSA for a month I'll have 4x weekly rewards and a chance for Maelstrom weapons for every run I do. If I PVP for a month I'll get 5 sh*t sets with 50% sh*t traits and zero chance for a Maelstrom weapon (AFAIK). Really?

50% *** traits? No I think its more, I got 5*well fitted I *** you not.

eliisra

Jhunn wrote: »

I want to add aswell that this isn't just an unlucky round of rewards for me. It's basically everyone I've talked to. At least you could get Master Weapons (which wasn't included in rewards when DSA came out either, as far as I recall) before veteran cap was raised, but now it's just completely uselss.

Sadly yes, that's not an unlucky round. Because there's nothing good in the current leaderboard loot table at all. Even if you get nice traits, there's no sets worth wearing(or trying to sell). Same with Rewards of the Worthy. They choose to only scale mediocre to useless sets to VR16.

Not sure who's responsible. Because I dont think Brian Wheeler makes actual itemization, even if it's PvP rewards. Really baffling how they promised to buff PvP rewards, but the complete opposite happened. Now you get absurdly bad sets and 75% with sturdy or well-fitted.

SHADOW2KK

Agreed OP, the traits are horrendous, same with other drops having training on it?

I mean REALLY??

What V16 needs training trait on anything drop related?

Great logic

Brrrofski

The only decent thing you get from pvp is arch mage.

That's only if you don't dual wield and until you get a Molag Kena drop anyway.

Rest is straight up useless

Wollust

No one can beat my 2 sturdy arch mage shoes in one single mail

I got something like 20 items or so, most of them sturdy and well fitted, because why not

SHADOW2KK

Wollust wrote: »

No one can beat my 2 sturdy arch mage shoes in one single mail

I got something like 20 items or so, most of them sturdy and well fitted, because why not

Lol sorry mate, that made me lol, I feel your pain though hehe.

Jhunn

So I guess @ZOS_BrianWheeler isn't the correct person to tag here. Care to enlighten me, @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

Jitterbug

I got one (1) set drop from my first Wrothgar daily and it was an arcane briar-ring. Ain't nobody got time fo dat.

riverdragon72

I got 10 rocks.......10 ****ing rocks.

Jitterbug

riverdragon72 wrote: »

I got 10 rocks.......10 ****ing rocks.

I got 20.

L2P.

ku5h

Also, considering Rewards of the Worthy, they sayed they increased gold amount you get by 3x, but forgot to mention that they will come in 5x less then before. It used to be, every 2-3k AP i get a reward, now its like every 10k, and all under premise they are increasing the rewards in PVP.
Do they think we are that stupid?! Its insulting...

Jhunn

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

TheDarkShadow

It'd better if they give the player more gold, and some kind of token so they can barter the set of their choice at a NPC. Maybe next update with the set merchant.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

ku5h wrote: »

Also, considering Rewards of the Worthy, they sayed they increased gold amount you get by 3x, but forgot to mention that they will come in 5x less then before. It used to be, every 2-3k AP i get a reward, now its like every 10k, and all under premise they are increasing the rewards in PVP.
Do they think we are that stupid?! Its insulting...

QFT. Rewards for the Worthy was NERFED and Nerfed hard. No more Potentiates set. No more Vengence Leach set. No more Masters Weapons for top 2%.

Every set piece with jewelry deleted from VR16 Loot tables. Then they had the gall to paint this as a buff. Disgusting.

Jhunn

So apparantly itemization is @Wrobel domain?

jrkhan

A few points:

It's kind of crazy that 2/3rds of traits are widely regarded as useless to begin with.
Buffs to traits that make them more universally desirable should be in order.
e.g. Well-fitted - increase movement speed by X%

I do find the lack of set jewelry annoying.

I might be willing to trade 160 weapon power and one crit bonus for 50% increased stealth detection in some circumstances.
If I'm expecting to have a lot of fights against other gank builds, actually getting the opener is probably more valuable then the weapon power and crit.
It's a niche set, but I don't think it's fair to call it useless.

Cinbri

So is it still possible to get golden cyro light rings from campaign reward?

frozywozy

I think that end campaign gear PvP rewards should not exist. I don't mind the gold and maybe we could add some cool mounts / titles at some point but the gear doesn't give anything special.

I would rather have a ranking system in place and have new sets of PvP gear available everytime a campaign restart. You could buy those sets of gear with AP only and only if you have the ranking required. There could be different brackets of ranking that let you purchase better pieces of the same sets (higher stats on them).

The ranking system would not work with kill/death ratio or any of the sort since it penalizes healers and other types of gameplay. Instead, we could revamp the AP system to give more benefits to objectives as described in this post. Then, we could make the ranking of said player work accordingly to the average amount of medals he completes during a day.

I think that making people pick which pieces to buy with AP and ranking would go along way. No more random tank loots with bad traits when you are a healer. No more random healer piece when you are a dps. Give players the freedom to buy what they really want as long as they work hard for it. With a medals and a ranking system in place to earn APs.

SkylarkAU

For scoring in the top 2% I would want any of - gold, gold mats, masters weapons, gold jewelry (willpower, agility, endurance, etc), akaviri motifs.. that kind of thing. Poorly traited gold sets pieces (I'll never use) that come in rewards for the worthy anyway really amounts to nothing.

Xvorg

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Agreed OP, the traits are horrendous, same with other drops having training on it?

I mean REALLY??

What V16 needs training trait on anything drop related?

Great logic

Noble duelist trait is just an insult. I mean, 3 or 4 pieces bonus are great, but when you look at the trait... training in a set that drops from VR1 till VR 14 in PVP?

It's like, "now that I'm VR, I'm going to train light armor".

I wish they change it. I don't mind if it is not Divines or Infused or Impenetrable, but please, not exploration, sturdy (unless you change the rules of armor degradation in PvP) or Well fitted...

Jhunn

Fact is, the reason neither IC sets (Willpower, agility, etc) or Orsinium sets/Maelstrom weapons aren't a part of end campaign rewards is that they want people to buy and play their new DLCs. Which is fine and all, but that's removing any intencive to try being in top 2% except for a few tempers or dreugh wax. And that's just stupid.

Kartalin

SkylarkAU wrote: »

For scoring in the top 2% I would want any of - gold, gold mats, masters weapons, gold jewelry (willpower, agility, endurance, etc), akaviri motifs.. that kind of thing. Poorly traited gold sets pieces (I'll never use) that come in rewards for the worthy anyway really amounts to nothing.

One of my guildmates got a gold willpower ring as a campaign reward on Axe when she was empress about two months ago. Apparently it is incredibly rare as I've never heard anyone else claim to have gotten it.

KenaPKK

This past week was the first time since early summer that I've not been on an Azura or Trueflame top 10 with the exception of I think 4 one-week campaigns.

I committed this week to leveling a new character, and will continue doing so until v16.

I NEVER got an item that I didn't decon or sell for a couple k on a trader. ZERO master weapons or equipped pieces of ANY kind. PvP rewards are so bad.