Champion Points - 300 point cap in Dec?

TequilaFire

Funkopotamus wrote: »

I will ask you this.. Would YOU buy this game 8 months from now if the runaway CP system was allowed to stay as it is now?

Yes, and I would not expect to get a fully leveled character either just like every other non pay to win game.
This argument is hogwash, like buying a jigsaw puzzle already put together, why bother?

I enjoy beating or trying to beat a stronger character than mine, it is how to learn.

Minnesinger

300 is a bit low. There are a lot players who would be happy if it was 300. Maybe some of my guildies come back. I have way over 300 but for the healthy of the game I can do it. Still I think it will be higher.

Shadesofkin

360 or 500, both suck and shouldn't really be the way they try to fix it, but c'est la vie and if we're going there we should be thinking in terms of what high end players have amassed to avoid alienating them while giving space for low end players to earn a large total.

timidobserver

I need the cap to be 6.

kevlarto_ESO

Since ZOS has not thrown out any numbers, other than telling us of some over achiever folks it is just a guessing game, I would think it will be s little above what the average player has, and since I am not ZOS have no idea how many that is.

Waffennacht

I think the diminishing returns idea is best.

Still gives you CP, still gives you a reason to play, still makes it where new players can catch up.

Now you could even mix in reasons for higher Cps.

Like dungeon difficulty selection based on CP levels, missions that are redo able or new ones that are accessible at certain CP levels. Or perks such as a new pet, new mounts available.

Maybe make the CP points spendable, like a currency.

A straight up Cap is boring, obvious, and a turn off. You can achieve the exact same results with a more thought provoking idea.

OrphanHelgen

why dont make pvp areas with champion points requirements?
Some campaigns only allowed to enter if you have 400 cp or above for example..

Yaewinn

Next time in ESO Live:

We`re going to cap veteran levels to 10, otherwise new players will never have a chance to catch up.
You can still gain XP and stuff, it will not be lost, really....just trust us.


Question from a fellow player:
But what about MMORPG, what about charakter-advancement, progress...etcetc?


Thanks 4 watching and cya soon

Xeven

@Waffennacht I just saw your post in another thread.

You started after console launch, you have 50cp and not one single vr14, let alone vr16.

I'm going to be straight with you, friend. You don't know WTF you want. You don't have any experience facing people with 2000cp or the slightest clue about the mind numbing time investment you will have to endure to even begin to catch up to these people, and the problem is getting worse every day. We are defending people like you.

Xeven wrote: »

Let me just tell you what 600cp buys a typical magicka build.

16% reduced spell cost
25% magicka regeneration
12% max stamina

Thats just 200 cp, lets keep going...

24% increased shields
16% reduced elemental damage taken (including shields)
16% reduced magic damage taken (including shields)
12% max health

Thats 400 cp... Were not done yet.

25% increased magic damage
25% increased crit damage
12% max magicka

Thats 600. Imagine 1600. With 200 CP you cant even max out one single star.

ArrerBoy

Why not just 450 CP? 9 constellations, 50 CP each for the most balanced player. Also gives ZoS some time to think about more content before the first player maxes out their CP.

Funkopotamus

Waffennacht you seem like a nice guy so I am not going to bash you, but I will say I am one of the ones that actually has the time to "Grind" CP. I am out of work due to a Workers Comp ordeal. [Multiple Surgeries].

However I think that the CP system will only be a death sentence for this game. I played Never Winter on pc and Xbox, same with ESO. I have the time to be in that 2%, but man....... The game will not be here a year from now if the number of new players does not equal the players that leave. No new players are going to buy this game and invest in the CS to keep the devs paid if the game keeps this runaway CP system.

Honestly a cap is the only way to keep this game from shutting down 1-2 years from now. I love this game I like the CP system, BUT in the end the system is flawed. I know some will get mad about spending the money. How would they feel if the game just shuts down? What then?

Again you seem like a decent guy so really think about it. How will his game attract new players if they would never be able to compete a year from now with you and I? Personally I do not enjoy roflstomping players in PvP if I know that the player had no chance against me. Maybe some get their kicks that way, but not I.

SeptimusDova

This one will trade Cat Points for meow emote !!!

Waffennacht

But I don't want to be defended! I want to face the 2000 CP point guy. Lol

I am ok with losing, doesn't bother me one bit! I understand that those few individuals may always have a higher stat than I can ever achieve (all be it just by a few percentage points)

Im NOT saying there shouldn't be some sort of Cap (my understanding was deminishing returns was the so called cap) what I am saying is now two things.

1. Cap should not be less than maxing at least 3 sets, if you are going to do it that way OR the soft cap

And 2. Is putting a cap on CPs at a point were people have already spent money on xp is a financial screw.

Gameplay screw is ok, it happens, a financial one is not Ok

I already know a cap is coming, of some kind. 300 is way too low. Just from a diversity and useage stand point. With 300 you literally cannot get any constellation maxed out. You at most could have 100 per constellation, and isn't the last earnable thing at 170 cps?

That would imply the lowest cap should be 510.

Xeven

Waffennacht wrote: »

But I don't want to be defended! I want to face the 2000 CP point guy. Lol

No you don't. Now you're just being ignorant. I seem to forget that some people will argue just to hear themselves type.

Good luck with ESO, sir.

iliatha

Will be funny to see what excuses for loosing will come up after CP Cap. (if there are still players in this game)
I think it will be "macro user" again and perhaps something new.. any ideas ? ^

cmorning

There are three (3) achievements in the game for getting 300 Champion points in Each category. So you will have at least 900 Champion Points to deal with right now.

Capping the points at 900 or maybe 1200 would be a good idea. The Champion Point system really makes the game unbalanced.

Minnesinger

I have been thinking of this. It would balance the game. It has never been too hard to play a game with max everything. I kinda think it is a reward of completing something. But I hope the limit will make it more difficult and challenging to everyone. The hardest thing is to make something out of little or nothing. It will make players to think a bit harder where to put their points.

P.S. I haven´t read anything official so I am just assuming it will happen.

Waffennacht

When I was vet 4 I faced emperor dayday, he had WAY More CP than I. Was I able to kill him? Nope, did I have fun testing myself against such a strong opponent? Did I take pride in living so long? I sure did.

I can tell whom has high CP or not, usually based on the degree of effort I have to put in when I face someone.

And according to your post (does some math) from your 200 to 400 CP there was only a change of 1% in spell damage. At 24 to 25%. With my low CP I can get the difference to be only 14%.

That means his CP boost creates a difference of only 15% but had to invest 350 more points in it.... which means the difference between myself and 2000 Cp would make a 19% difference. Which I can catch up by only needing another 100 CP points.

I will gain that 100 cp well before he gains another 600. And once I do gain that amount the percentage difference will be locked in at a very low percentage.

Now if deminishing returns stops at some point (aka at 2001 to 2002 you gain the same as 2000 to 2001) then you have a mathematical problem.

Yaewinn

iliatha wrote: »

Will be funny to see what excuses for loosing will come up after CP Cap. (if there are still players in this game)
I think it will be "macro user" again and perhaps something new.. any ideas ? ^

I think it will be more like this:

***Get off your damn computer and go do something with your life you damn kids.***

SirJesto

I would be cool with a CP cap of 600. This should not affect AT LEAST 90% of the ESO population. I can't think of any better number for it to be at honestly.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Waffennacht wrote: »

To make the most of CP an evenly distributed point layout will give you the best advantage.

Had to chime in, this statement could not be further from the truth. There is a reason people have spent hours and hours with testing and fancy calculations, and virtually every build involves maxing out certain trees before moving on to the next. I believe the intention was for these curves to be highly logarithmic and give diminishing returns, but the reality is that they are almost completely linear in practice.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

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Waffennacht

That's silly. If I want better defense I would be foolish to put all CP in the "prevent 1% magic" thing.

I would put one point in that and one point into resist elemental magic.

That same liquid lightning would be reduced a total of 2% where if I only put the points in resist magic then that same attack is only reduced by 1.6%

If I want more dps I should put one point in magicka damage and one point in elemental damage, that way I gain a 2% increase instead of 1.6%

There are overlapping constellations through out. (More so for defense and magicka though)

I can get a total of 10% with ten points, or get 10% increase with 100 points, all depending where I put the points.

Potenza

I don't think there should be a cap at all. Making everyone the same lvl is just wrong. (communism comes to mind) There should be "high end" players and low end new players - it adds diversity. It gives the new person something to strive for.
There is a "total cap" at about 3k points right? So everyone can work for that. And to be honest - too much is being made of the cp points - just because someone has 300 points more than the other doesn't make them that much more powerful because it depends on how they used them - they could have placed them badly. And no matter how you place them, your going to have a weakness somewhere.

SirJesto

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't think there should be a cap at all. Making everyone the same lvl is just wrong. (communism comes to mind) There should be "high end" players and low end new players - it adds diversity. It gives the new person something to strive for.
There is a "total cap" at about 3k points right? So everyone can work for that. And to be honest - too much is being made of the cp points - just because someone has 300 points more than the other doesn't make them that much more powerful because it depends on how they used them - they could have placed them badly. And no matter how you place them, your going to have a weakness somewhere.

The fact is, depending on the cap number, everyone WON'T be the same level. If the cap is 600 then maybe about 10% of people will have the same points. But even having the same points doesn't make someone "The Same" as another. There are builds and individual skill levels to take into account as well.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Removing CP altogether would be making everyone the same. I don't think most people are suggesting that. There is nothing wrong with working to the cap, but the system as implemented has created a very real power gap. I am mostly a PVE player, and it has a very real effect on DPS. I know most of the people that are sitting atop the NA leaderboards, and for the most part, they have a ton of CP. It's pretty straightforward really, more CP=More DPS=Higher scores.

The issue is that if it becomes impossible for the average player to be competitive without mindless hours of XP pot grinding, the game will fall apart. Casuals will leave and new players wont join. That is not communism, it's working for the greater good. Not the same thing.

AshTal

It will never be as low as 300 - however I suspect a lot of casual players have a lot less than this.

They have said you wont lose any over the cap and will keep on getting them but just wont be able to spend them till the cap is raised.

Personally my belief is that the Cap will be so insanely high that only 5% of the players will even notice and it wont do anything to counter the huge ability gap.

I also suspect that they want to add a CP cap on campaigns for PvP maybe they will have caps of 0 then 300 then 600 then 1000 then unlimited and then watch all the people with over 1001 CP moan like hell that their server is empty and everyone on it is insanely hard to kill.

SirJesto

AshTal wrote: »

I also suspect that they want to add a CP cap on campaigns for PvP maybe they will have caps of 0 then 300 then 600 then 1000 then unlimited and then watch all the people with over 1001 CP moan like hell that their server is empty and everyone on it is insanely hard to kill.

Very cool.

OrphanHelgen

Ok so I just watched the last eso live where they talked about this CP cap subject.



the problem is that there are people that have reached 2000 points.

Thread may be closed, nothing to see here folks..


They also said you won't lose champion points and you can still earn them if you have reached the season cap.

SirJesto

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Ok so I just watched the last eso live where they talked about this CP cap subject.



the problem is that there are people that have reached 2000 points.

Thread may be closed, nothing to see here folks..


They also said you won't lose champion points and you can still earn them if you have reached the season cap.

I'm not understanding why people would care about a cap anyways? Why wouldn't you want competition or a challenge? I guess I'm just different than a lot of the people complaining about it but if there isn't any challenge why would you play? Another argument is "well i grinded my face off for these 1500 cp now I can't use them" Cool man, now you don't have to waste your time grinding for a year and you can do other, way more fun things, like play the game.