Champion Points - 300 point cap in Dec?

Syntse

I'm casual gamer and I have about 320cp so capping to 300 would be too low.

This is yet another thing caused by PvP players effecting everyone. Please for the love of god just disable the whole CP system in PvP, that's it. People who PvP wants even playing field where once you're maxed you're maxed. PvE people want progression. If I cannot progress or advance my character it's like reaching the end of the game in PvE.

Knootewoot

They should make cap of 900 and make 900 the max amount of CP you can get. That will make more different varieties of builds. Also with 900 as maximum, newer players can catch up more easily.

Caps are useless for new players. In 5 years, the cap will be maybe 3600. If a new player comes and gets to V16, he will get wrecked by the "loyal fanbase" (ie the players who played 5 years) and will stand no chance.

Yes, CP do matter. I have 290 CP. Someone with same build but has 600 CP will have more weapon damage and regeneration. while I still have to choose... will I do WD or regeneration since I can't have both (or both much lower)

hrothbern

I think the cap should be moving over time.
This is more natural and if the cap is well chosen, the bulk of the enthousiast players are not hindered by an artificial treshold and get their immediate reward every time they achieve another CP.

The CP system started begin March, assumed at 235 days ago, with 70 CP upfront when you had 1 Vet 14 character.
If introduced today, at a rate of 1 CP per day, the cap is something like 70+235*1=305, tomorrow 306 and 1th of Dec 367.
If introduced today, at a rate of 2 CP per day, the cap is something like 70+235*2=540, tomorrow 542 and 1th of Dec 664.

The latest CP frequency, thanks @F7sus4 for your poll, is:
0 -100 : 14%
101-200 : 25%
201-300 : 20%
301-400 : 20%
401-500 : 8%
501-600 : 6%
601-700 : 1%
701-800 : 1%
801-900 : 0%
901+ : 1%
A nice Poisson distribution, based on 412 votes of this forum, with the median around 200 and 80% below 400 CP. I think it is probable that the bulk of the player base, NOT represented in this forum poll, has lower values.

Here the poll:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/220315/champion-point-cap-how-much-cp-do-you-have-now-september-october-2015/p1

Vangy

Knootewoot wrote: »

They should make cap of 900 and make 900 the max amount of CP you can get. That will make more different varieties of builds. Also with 900 as maximum, newer players can catch up more easily.

Caps are useless for new players. In 5 years, the cap will be maybe 3600. If a new player comes and gets to V16, he will get wrecked by the "loyal fanbase" (ie the players who played 5 years) and will stand no chance.

Yes, CP do matter. I have 290 CP. Someone with same build but has 600 CP will have more weapon damage and regeneration. while I still have to choose... will I do WD or regeneration since I can't have both (or both much lower)

Yes exactly. But there are some "pros" who love to beat their chests and say oh cp doesn't matter all it takes is skill. Just going from 0-90 gets u 10 % crit from the blue tree not to mention 2 other 30 point bonuses. The diminishing returns don't mean anything at low cp levels ie(100-500). You could only compare players at maybe 500-1000 where cp has vastly diminshing returns.

baddabumb16_ESO

cap is no good idea.... all time comes new player to eso. ok end of the year comes a cap. we say 300. all the guys "in moment" with lower cp as the cap was happy. all with more cry. what is in 1 year.... in this year comes lot of new player to eso. zeni make next year another cap. we say 400. all the guys who say we need a cap (in moment the low cp player) have next year 400 and the guys with more cry again. but what is with all the new players with begin next year. they start with 0 cp and the guys who want now a cap have 400+ cp next year...... !!! same problem year for year.......... pls no cap.

i'm a player with normal cp but a cap brings no real solution, but only for the players now at the moment play a compulsory purchase for players who have already more developed. Players who now want a cap, the players are the next year have more than cp players who have just started new, then the player who cry then .... please do not cap set even further down.

sorry for my bad english

Turelus

They have stated there will be a cap, and you can still own/earn points past the cap just not use them until the next increase in the cap.

Everything else so far is rumour and speculation.

Alucardo

Brrrofski wrote: »

I actually can't wait to see what people blame for getting owned when CPs are capped.

Lag

Alcast

RinOkumara wrote: »

If they put the cap at 300 they would lose soooo many of their older, loyal fanbase. It should be set for PC upwards of 1k+ at least.

They dont give a fyling f about their hardcore players. They will adjust the CP to the "average". Average players make up 98% of the population. Who cares about the 2% of HC players with 600+ CP

Forestd16b14_ESO

Well it's not really for sure yet that hey are putting the cap in or even what the cap is. Its more a open idea right now that ZOS is throwing around. I just hope they think this through and have a actual idea about it. We don't need another broken system added to the game like block casting or shield stacking.

Moonshadow66

While I do understand, somehow, that a cap is currently needed, it doesn't make much sense in long terms since there will ALWAYS be new players trying to catch up. Now or in 5 years, same thing.

I think ZOS should have thought of a cap BEFORE the Champion System went live. But since this apparently didn't happen, it would be not the wisest decision either to put a cap on CPs NOW, after so many players earned huge amounts of CPs already. What will you tell them? "Your regen and damage will be lowered from now on for no reason"? Or, "Too bad you wasted months grinding for CPs, sh*t happens"?

I have "only" 348 CPs myself right now (I say "only" with quotation marks because it's not like a huge amount over 1000, but still a good amount to play well), so a cap personally wouldn't hurt me, I guess. But players who do have a lot more have them because they've put enough time and effort into it. There will always be players who have less or more CPs than others, or less or more time than others to actually play, we cannot all have the same. In a game as well as in real life.

Scyantific

Vangy wrote: »

Also I don't understand why accomadating the game to better suit casuals/new players is a stupid decision. Most of the time casuals are the ones who have a job and wife and kids ( which means lots of $$). Making a good buisness decision is not stupid it's actually pretty smart. This might be a game but make no mistake it's still a buisness. U lose casuals who pay $$/ fail to attract new players means no $$ to keep making new content/updates which means eso dies and this is bad for all of us. So nth about this is stupid.....yeah losing hardcore loyal fans is painful but catering to maybe 5% of ur potential customer base would be the stupid move. Having said this I would like to point out I play 3 hours a day but I do understand the need to cater to those who can only play maybe an hour or so a day or even less. They are the ones more likely to spend $$ on things to speed up their progress etc so it's natural that the game would cater more to them...

Ok maybe you didn't read my post right, but I gave them credit for thinking in terms of business. Yes it's a smart decision to appeal to casuals, but that's not stopping me from calling it a stupid decision. Just like I can respect your opinion, I'm not obligated to like it or you.

EgoRush

It would make sense to have a different cap for PC versus Xbox/PS4, though the PC transfers may get gimped by such action.

nimander99

Xeven wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

They are making a campaign that removes CP's... why even bother with a cap now? Also if the cap is set to 300 I would be very... not happy.

Dude Haderus is my home. I shouldn't be forced to leave to find a fair fight, or be banned from using any CP at all. Stop trying to force feed your free time to everyone else.

Make a campaign for 1k+ CP. You can call it NeckBeard.

So because Haderus is your home I should now be force fed your lack of free time? Is that your argument? For your information I have 2 jobs, I just take the long view with pve progression. I'm saying if you believe CP's are the reason you (anyone) dies in pvp then move to the non-pvp campaign problem solved... It's a logical argument/solution.

SeptimusDova

Will Khajiit get extra CP ?

Brrrofski

This period of gaming sucks.

What happened to gaming?

Where you'd play and get rewarded?

Now everyone has to be equal. No earning better stats, just let everyone be the same no matter how much time they've spent.

You don't even have to earn rewards anymore. Just buy them as extras.

What went wrong?

efster

Aw, and here I was looking forward to playing well into the next century so I could get that "spend 1000 (1200?) CP in each of the constellations" achievement....

Xeven

nimander99 wrote: »

It's a logical argument/solution.

No it's not. That's why caps are in place in every game. That's why there is a VR cap. If players are allowed to attain Veteran Rank over nine thousand, then new players will never catch up, and leave the game the moment they learn that this is whats required to be competitive. Your ability to chug XP pots and AOE grind NPCs for hours daily should provide you with no advantage when killing other players. You are the minority.

Search the forums. The reasons why every CP matters at the higest level of play have been repeated over and over.

myrrrorb14_ESO

I cant imagine them making the cap less than 360. Enough to just cap 1 in each constellation. If I were a betting man, I would bet on 360 and increasing it 360 every "season," whatever that means.

Not quite fair for PC users imo, but probably adequate for console players. This number won't affect the majority of players, but will make thise affected rather angry (rightfully so).

Forestd16b14_ESO

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I cant imagine them making the cap less than 360. Enough to just cap 1 in each constellation. If I were a betting man, I would bet on 360 and increasing it 360 every "season," whatever that means.

Not quite fair for PC users imo, but probably adequate for console players. This number won't affect the majority of players, but will make thise affected rather angry (rightfully so).

Well the point of why there capping CP to begin with is fause of PC players quite a few players have 1k plus CP and even ststed by zos 2 players have over 2k CP. that is totally unfair to newbi PC players or those PC player who dont have 40+ hours a week to play. So IMO the cap will be makin the game alot more fair and if those no lifes who are gonna be upset can throw there tantrumps no one is gonna listen or feel sorry for them.

Waffennacht

Lord_Wrath wrote: »

Your ability to chug XP pots and AOE grind NPCs for hours daily should provide you with no advantage when killing other players. You are the minority.

Search the forums. The reasons why every CP matters at the higest level of play have been repeated over and over.

You trying to convince me that grinding should not give an advantage in an MMOrpg? What are you thinking?

Of course it does and should. Just because you can't invest the time or effort does not mean other's shouldn't. Omg you aren't equal with all 100% of the player base? OOHHHHH noooo! ONLY on the same level as 90% +?

Too bad, there are power differences. Also if you have 100 points and you put them all in one perk, then you are mathematically making a horrid decision. 10 points can give you a 10% boost total may not all be in the same stat (even though tons over lap) and 100 points can give you 10%.

To make the most of CP an evenly distributed point layout will give you the best advantage.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Xeven

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lord_Wrath wrote: »

Your ability to chug XP pots and AOE grind NPCs for hours daily should provide you with no advantage when killing other players. You are the minority.

Search the forums. The reasons why every CP matters at the higest level of play have been repeated over and over.

You trying to convince me that grinding should not give an advantage in an MMOrpg? What are you thinking.

You're being disingenuous. Of course grinding that shiny piece of Molag Kena or grinding vr16 should give you an advantage over a vr10 with blue gear, but not infinitely so, he can catch up.

With the current system you can grind 24/7 and forcefeed your free time to everyone else, infinitely.


[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

AhPook_Is_Here

Even if they set it to some number like 300 for PC, which might be too low, people who have more won't have to worry about grinding for a while as they will still be earning CPs for future caps and have basically just taken care of the drudgery of farming CPs ahead of schedule. If you are playing daily an hour or two you should have around 400-500 cp by now, which I think a lot of people would be OK with.

I don't think the guys with 1k+ cp will quit over this, the few that they are, those people are seriously hooked, angry maybe, quit, very unlikely.

Moonshadow66

SeptimusDova wrote: »

Will Khajiit get extra CP ?

These would be Cat Points

OrphanHelgen

I can handle the loading screens.
I can handle the crown store items.
I can handle being a underpower DK in pvp.
I can handle others haveing twice my champion points.

But if I lose my well honest earned 500 champion points, I among many others will quit for real, and not coming back.

I have invested time in this game. I have 9 trait researched. 4 characters in veteran 16. All of them every quests and skyshard.


Why not change the champion points into something completely useless, but still fun for players? For example, having 360 champion points allowes you to have a crafting station in housing. Or a 120 passive being allowe you to have two pets active at the same time. And other useless stuff thats only fun to look at. Ignore money penalty when using wayshrines, idk just something. If a 25% more regen in champion points are so unbelivable gamebreaking, then change it, but dont take my champion points. I speak for many... many,... many players here.. And all of them are the loyals one, not the crybabies that log on from 8pm to 10pm to join a zerg. Common, realize fact for once!

SeptimusDova

Yes Moonshadow Cat Points for the WIn!!!

Waffennacht

One I have a job thank you.

Second... so what? You're saying your playing (or mine) of 1 or 2 hours should be the same as 9 to 10 hours a day? That's just stupid. Not like we have a cap on how much money a person can earn a year (they make more money but infinitely so!)

You want to be equal, well too bad you're not and never will be

starlizard70ub17_ESO

SeptimusDova wrote: »

Will Khajiit get extra CP ?

No, sadly we Khajiit will be left out in the cold once again. Fortunitly we have built-in fur coats unlike those poor Argonians who were left out from day one.

Xeven

Waffennacht wrote: »

One I have a job thank you.

Second... so what? You're saying your playing (or mine) of 1 or 2 hours should be the same as 9 to 10 hours a day? That's just stupid. Not like we have a cap on how much money a person can earn a year (they make more money but infinitely so!)

You want to be equal, well too bad you're not and never will be

I play chess 10 hours a day, so I should get 2 queens. That is your logic. If you play chess 10 hours a day, well you should be better at chess, nobody can take that from you.

The fact is there will be a cap, you are the minority, and u mad bro.

Waffennacht

There will be a cap and have no problem with that. A cap lower than being able to max at least one set of each three is stupid.

If you were to earn one peice of the board per hour.... then after getting a peice per till hour ten, then yes you should have two queens.

In your example it would be as if after I took your rook Im no longer to take any more of your peices until you took a knight. Your example is poor as the basic mechanics of chess are in no way similar to an mmorpg where the whole point is a continuous progression.

phbell

Funkopotamus wrote: »

RinOkumara wrote: »

If they put the cap at 300 they would lose soooo many of their older, loyal fanbase. It should be set for PC upwards of 1k+ at least.

Well they may lose a few players, but those are players that ZOS already has their money... If they leave the CP to high it will drive away any "new player" that might have bought the game this fall. So it is a simple matter of $... If they leave CP so high that a new player will feel like they have no chance at playing this game without getting giggidy giggidy trolled by CP grinders then ZOS will lose money.. If they set it so low players leave... Well ZOS will not be losing much as those players have already made the investment.

I am not sure I agree with the "...ZOS already has their money" statement. Business budgets need a steady stream of reliable income for budgetary purposes. In this case it is subscriptions more than crowns. Crown Purchases by their very nature will be more cyclic and unpredictable. Such revenues must be factored more conservatively. I doubt that ZOS is truly willing to "write off" existing customers at the prospect of MAYBE gaining new customers. That is just poor business. Business marketing 101 teaches that it costs a company 10x more to gain a customer than it does to keep one and I would hope Zenimax has not forgotten this simple fact.

I feel compelled to remind all concerned, especially ZOS (through the Moderators), that one of the benefits of subscription is "Enlightenment" (aka accelerated CP gain). As it appears that CP will be capped soon, not only is Zenimax eliminating one of the main reasons to subscribe, but they risk taking away benefits already PAID FOR in some cases. I see this a sticky complication because it will affect that "steady, reliable, revenue stream" mentioned above. Some will simply cancel their subscriptions (the option I am considering) while others will Rage-Quit. While they have the right to make whatever changes they want at any time (see their Terms of Service) I am hoping that the decision makers are considering some manner of alternate benefit for the subscribers.

I am not saying you are wrong, but if you are right it is a lame business decision.