Are people starting to give up on ZOS?

Preyfar

ChaosWotan wrote: »

It is now primetime Saturday and no activity from the War Council at Axe, our home campaign. The map is all red. It's dead. Wow, ESO has really destroyed PvP so far. Hope things will change when other campaigns end.

There's just no incentives to PVP anymore. AP isn't really worth much (you can't buy VR16 loot with it) which also means there's nothing for PVPers to sell. When I was doing major runs with my guild, I'd easily go through 20K a night on siege, potions and wall repair kits. Yeah, you can buy them with AP for free, but it's NOT cost effective long term to get walls up.

AP has been rendered near worthless and I can't sell anything from the PVP vendor bags (where most PVPers I know made their war money). Rewards for the Worthy do contain SOME interesting sets, but it's so hit or miss that it's not really worthwhile to sell for gold. Why? Everyone is so obsessed with grinding for trophies to get their jewelry sets that pretty much every other set in game has been greatly devalued.

IC, as an expansion, was amazing. But it also wrecked the in-game economy and disrupted PVP for a lot of people.

Mighty_oakk

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

I have a feeling Orsinium release will be put back for months, if not years. And who's going to play it? A lot of people bought the dlc and hate it. Lots of subs have been cancelled. If anyone is left are they gonna risk their money on another dlc that could make the game even worse than it is now?

I get the feeling Orsinium will be released on time. Xmas releases always do better just because and in b2p money is everything.

I'd bet it will be full of bugs and the last on time quarterly dlc

Lightninvash

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

I have a feeling Orsinium release will be put back for months, if not years. And who's going to play it? A lot of people bought the dlc and hate it. Lots of subs have been cancelled. If anyone is left are they gonna risk their money on another dlc that could make the game even worse than it is now?

I get the feeling Orsinium will be released on time. Xmas releases always do better just because and in b2p money is everything.

I'd bet it will be full of bugs and the last on time quarterly dlc

with how this dlc was idk if anyone will even attempt to try it...

Sithisvoid

New fallout looks pointless IMO. Sure you can do all these things but you do them alone so who cares? Build a complex and defend it from ads? No thanks. If it were pvp sure sounds absolutely amazing, but ads? No thanks.

Wycks

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

Must be the only game that releases New content and gets rid of half its users. Orsinium sales are going to be poor unless ZOS can do something amazing to pull it back.

yep

BabeestorGor

JD2013 wrote: »

And yet another negativity filled post. Love this community so hard.

Also, I definitely would not buy Fallout IV upon release. Bethesda's games are always super glitchy upon release. I am waiting at least 6 months to get it.

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

I have a feeling Orsinium release will be put back for months, if not years. And who's going to play it? A lot of people bought the dlc and hate it. Lots of subs have been cancelled. If anyone is left are they gonna risk their money on another dlc that could make the game even worse than it is now?

I get the feeling Orsinium will be released on time. Xmas releases always do better just because and in b2p money is everything.

I'd bet it will be full of bugs and the last on time quarterly dlc

Not sure if this post wins the prize for most optimistic or most cynical. Whichever, its an unusual combo.
Don't know about it being the last on time quarterly dlc (ZoS must realise they need regular new content) but otherwise reckon you are dead on.

firstdecan

ChaosWotan wrote: »

It is now primetime Saturday and no activity from the War Council at Axe, our home campaign. The map is all red. It's dead. Wow, ESO has really destroyed PvP so far. Hope things will change when other campaigns end.

Lol, I was helping change the map red. We were taking keeps with 10-12 people. It was DEAD. I got bored with it.

Avonna

i have not logged on in 4 weeks, and it seems like everything is the same crap show.

I always hoped this would be my go to game for a long time...but ......you screwed that up too. I do not miss this game. i have played many other games, some older and some newer, and this one DOES NOT MEET MY GAMING STANDARDS.. i dont care how pretty they make their game look, its whats inside that prettiness that matters. i feel this game has ALOT of fluff.....but that fluff can not even work properly ...you fail. you dont even have the basic MMO stuff in ...chat , numbers, a buff bar....BUILDS....LFG ....

the more i played this game, the more it frustrated me... i personally feel like if you really thought about what YOU ( the players) wanted in a game, is this the one that delivers? this is the best out there? really?? not for me it doesnt. and i refuse to play/support a game that i dont like .

the LFG tool( fail) sucking up space and code, put something useful there, like a auction house. people would use that! , that was a waste of a paycheck! what the hell did those guys do with all that free time?

lag/ loading screens.....secret way to give your servers some breathing room? your last DLC made a mess of your product. seriously......A MESS.... i know you read the forums....well at least the baby sitters do, come talk to us about your mess and how pretty it is...maybe we can discuss how things can progress for the better, maybe shoot some great ideas from the community that plays / cares...... then you can go back , and do the complete opposite and screw it up even more, while pissing off MORE customers....maybe there will be cookies.... and maybe a LURK...

I LOVE THE ELDER SCROLLS ( before this game ) , fantastic lore, LOTS of fans, been around for a long time.... somehow your interfering with that, your meddling with something , you say you care but i dont think thats true at all.... i am not going to sit around and watch you destroy something that was doing so much better without you messing it up .

might seem a bit drastic, but i really enjoyed elder scrolls games for a very long time....still play Skyrim and mod with it......... until ZOS came along..... i dont think this should have been a MMO ( because its not! ) it should have been single player. that is what elder srolls games are , single player......i dont think you capitalized on this right....you missed the mark.

Wycks

I think one of the reason why people are mad is because the game has so much potential, so many things in it are good but on the other hand so many poor decisions are made by upper management, there seems to be a real lack of leadership amongst the team leads and a general lack of knowledge about how their own game is being played.

They need to make small fun changes that follow agile development, instead of sweeping game breaking changes that effect to many players and break tons of stuff.

technohic

I come and check for changes that might bring me back so I guess I haven't given up entirely. I do know I do it a lot less often and don't bother to watch ESO live any more and what I read generally gives me a worse impression.

Van_0S

Anhedonie wrote: »

Not another doomsday thread. Oh hell, this is getting old.

Well, now they can start Fallout online unlimited(FOU)

Preyfar

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

I think one of the reason why people are mad is because the game has so much potential, so many things in it are good but on the other hand so many poor decisions are made by upper management, there seems to be a real lack of leadership amongst the team leads and a general lack of knowledge about how their own game is being played.

They need to make small fun changes that follow agile development, instead of sweeping game breaking changes that effect to many players and break tons of stuff.

Oddly, Imperial City really highlighted a lot of the potential the game has. The music is better, the environments are more detailed and breathtaking, it feels like there's a sense of urgency. It's really well done. I get the feeling that there's actually a war going on, something Cyrodiil has never really conveyed. Hell, something most of the campaign has never conveyed (e.g. we're marching our army... but, uh, you go on ahead and do all the work, we'll catch up!). It's moody, dark and seriously well done.

Sadly, it's the loot system and the length of actual content that gets in the way. I sometimes think ZOS' quest-building tools are kind of... archaic, because it seems to take them ages to properly implement and/or fix quests in the game. But they've done well with Imperial City, they just have to fix the rest.

A painful loot system and a grind that prevents people from being able to PVP because they're too busy trying to grind out VR16 gear does the ONE THING that goes against PVP. It forces PVPers to stop PVPing, and for content geared towards that community, that's a major negative.

zornyan

Tbh I'm not worried about it being shut down anytime soon, far far inferior games had been shut down but it still took years, and they had far far less sales than this game.

Hell look at eve online, has what? 40 thousand players? Yet it's managed to hang on this long still off the back of a few thousand? Elder scrolls had millions of buyers, that will keep the game going for many years to come.

All this moaning and throwing toys out of the pram etc, it's the same as the labour/conservative debate we get every election in England.

For years people spout out they won't vote for any of them, that the right wing parties will get in blah blah.

We still have a 2 party system, and always will, because people say one thing, and go do another.

Preyfar

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

They need to make small fun changes that follow agile development, instead of sweeping game breaking changes that effect to many players and break tons of stuff.

I think that hits the nail on the head. Leading up to IC, there was a lot of broken items, and ZOS kept going "It'll be fixed come our next content update!". Why are we waiting a month plus to get an exploit fixed? Or a broken skill? Why are we waiting weeks to get bugs fixed that ZOS says they have a fix for, but are holding it back?

I think that contributes a lot to user/player frustration.

pjwb16_ESO

aco5712 wrote: »

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Complaints and rants are dying down compared to one or two weeks ago. And less than 800 people watched ESO Live yesterday while the number were easily over 1000 in the past few months. Is ESO way past the turning point that it can never recover again?

i think its been past it for a long time for alot of people but the lack of another game to go to has kept them here

this

Fenrlr

I think this game need to pull a "realm reborn", if not to late.

b92303008rwb17_ESO

Avonna wrote: »

i have not logged on in 4 weeks, and it seems like everything is the same crap show.

I always hoped this would be my go to game for a long time...but ......you screwed that up too. I do not miss this game. i have played many other games, some older and some newer, and this one DOES NOT MEET MY GAMING STANDARDS.. i dont care how pretty they make their game look, its whats inside that prettiness that matters. i feel this game has ALOT of fluff.....but that fluff can not even work properly ...you fail. you dont even have the basic MMO stuff in ...chat , numbers, a buff bar....BUILDS....LFG ....

the more i played this game, the more it frustrated me... i personally feel like if you really thought about what YOU ( the players) wanted in a game, is this the one that delivers? this is the best out there? really?? not for me it doesnt. and i refuse to play/support a game that i dont like .

the LFG tool( fail) sucking up space and code, put something useful there, like a auction house. people would use that! , that was a waste of a paycheck! what the hell did those guys do with all that free time?

lag/ loading screens.....secret way to give your servers some breathing room? your last DLC made a mess of your product. seriously......A MESS.... i know you read the forums....well at least the baby sitters do, come talk to us about your mess and how pretty it is...maybe we can discuss how things can progress for the better, maybe shoot some great ideas from the community that plays / cares...... then you can go back , and do the complete opposite and screw it up even more, while pissing off MORE customers....maybe there will be cookies.... and maybe a LURK...

I LOVE THE ELDER SCROLLS ( before this game ) , fantastic lore, LOTS of fans, been around for a long time.... somehow your interfering with that, your meddling with something , you say you care but i dont think thats true at all.... i am not going to sit around and watch you destroy something that was doing so much better without you messing it up .

might seem a bit drastic, but i really enjoyed elder scrolls games for a very long time....still play Skyrim and mod with it......... until ZOS came along..... i dont think this should have been a MMO ( because its not! ) it should have been single player. that is what elder srolls games are , single player......i dont think you capitalized on this right....you missed the mark.

I have a feeling that you are going to be warned or perma banned because of this nothing-harmful-but-not-constructive-enough-as-ZOS-demands post. I have learned my lesson from my third and one step to perma ban warning that you have to put on a seemingly constructive mask before you say anything bad but truthful.

Don't agree on the TES has to be a single player game part though.

Alucardo

lol if anyone thought Zeni was bad, I've just recently been permanently banned from my old MMO. I'm not sure why either.. the ban message was a little vague



So I send in a ticket, and get this reply

"The account has been banned and will not be activated again. This measure has been approved by the maximum authority regarding the game, and will not be modified."

Still vague.

Preyfar

Fenrlr wrote: »

I think this game need to pull a "realm reborn", if not to late.

I think the that was the Tamriel Unlimited relaunch (a terrible name for ESO, but...).

The biggest things they need to do is really invest in post-Molag Bal content. The game slams up against a wall when you hit it. More activities, more interesting daily quests, more reason to revisit old content. This is one of the best games I've played, but it's not without flaws.

They've greatly changed how combat is done in this game with 1.6 and 1.7. It's clear ZOS sees a lot of the flaws and are working to fix them (sort of 'rebooting as they go'). So I imagine there's an end-goal to go with it, just not quite sure what it is.

phbell

This my first MMO, so I have nothing to compare against. With that qualifier I can say that I have been a subscriber since the first or second week. I have made friends and had a lot of fun. Group PvE is more enjoyable for me than PvP, but that may be due more to the fact that I generally stink at PvP than anything else.

The tendency by the game developers to resolve customer complaints of fairness by nerfing character roles strikes me as "whichever mouse squeaks the loudest gets the cheese", which is annoying and is not the path I would choose, but I can live with it. My growing dissatisfaction with the game stems from the persistent performance issues (long load screens, lag and dropped FPS, etc) than any other content related issues. I suspect that if I leave the game it will be due to these issues as they rob the game of much of the fun.

ChaosWotan

When will we get a real pvp dlc? In 2018?

If pvp players dont get new content soon, a new map that is integrated with old Cyr, many old-timers will stop PvP. Many has already left.

Valrien

Lightninvash wrote: »

DovresMalven wrote: »

I will never give up on ZOS completely, just because I know there are people working there that really care about what they do and about the Elder Scrolls universe. Also it is free to play making it if nothing else- a beautiful environment to roleplay in. I am pretty disappointed in a lot of recent design and game-play mechanic decisions, however. :^(

free to play is not having o buy dlc or the game like neverwinter that is f2p this is already b2p

Clearly someone doesn't know what free-to-play means. You are right that this isn't f2p though. It's b2p.

Hiero_Glyph

Preyfar wrote: »

Fenrlr wrote: »

I think this game need to pull a "realm reborn", if not to late.

I think the that was the Tamriel Unlimited relaunch (a terrible name for ESO, but...).

The biggest things they need to do is really invest in post-Molag Bal content. The game slams up against a wall when you hit it. More activities, more interesting daily quests, more reason to revisit old content. This is one of the best games I've played, but it's not without flaws.

They've greatly changed how combat is done in this game with 1.6 and 1.7. It's clear ZOS sees a lot of the flaws and are working to fix them (sort of 'rebooting as they go'). So I imagine there's an end-goal to go with it, just not quite sure what it is.

Except this community has been more than patient. I mena a recently necro'ed thread about shield dyes has the first ZOS reply from over a year ago telling us that they will have more information soon. Over a year ago?! And the most recent reply this week still has no new information. Seriously, if you want a good laugh read this thread.

When was the last update we got about the removal of veteran ranks (which CP were added to replace)? Then you have issues like text chat on consoles which ZOS just ignores. Sure, they may be trying but when they continue to avoid major issues, are they really trying? Have you ever heard anyone at ZOS admit to making a mistake or apologizing for something regarding ESO? Respect is a two-way street.

Nivzruo_ESO

Starting?? I gave up on them soon as they became money hungry which happened before the game even came out.

Xendyn

Chieve wrote: »

I would have but it's really the only interesting mmorpg for consoles, I'm on the ps4 otherwise I would of moved to neverwinter by now...but at least that game will be released March 2016 supposedly

Start saving your money now. That one is a serious P2W with a half dozen different currencies to buy.
GL

Riga_Mortis

Over 30 PSN friends were logging on daily in the beginning, now only 4 are active on a daily basis.

Hate the way zenimax are totally ignoring the lack of text chat and a working grouping finder.

andreasv

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Complaints and rants are dying down compared to one or two weeks ago. And less than 800 people watched ESO Live yesterday while the number were easily over 1000 in the past few months. Is ESO way past the turning point that it can never recover again?

I didn't read the 4 pages as I assume it's the usual complainers and players who quit but still visit the forum frequently. So as a reply to the OP. Because people stopped complaining you think / conclude that players gave up? Maybe complainers gave up who were mostly the same people with several threads.

I stopped watching ESO live a few months ago. There is nothing interesting and as a German I felt embarrassed watching that one guy (can't remember his name) with his sad attempts at jokes followed by a terrible forced smile.
I guess a lot of people tune in when something is about to be released or has just released.

If you play the game and are worried about the state, why not playing the actual game and make an educated guess about how players think instead of interpreting numbers and observations that hardly represent anything.

BabeestorGor

Xendyn wrote: »

Chieve wrote: »

I would have but it's really the only interesting mmorpg for consoles, I'm on the ps4 otherwise I would of moved to neverwinter by now...but at least that game will be released March 2016 supposedly

Start saving your money now. That one is a serious P2W with a half dozen different currencies to buy.
GL

Oh, god yes. Want some bagspace. Pay money. Its not just play to win, its pay to play w/o crippling inconvenience.

Van_0S

I am waiting till bless online or black desert comes, till then I will continue to play this game

b92303008rwb17_ESO

andreasv wrote: »

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Complaints and rants are dying down compared to one or two weeks ago. And less than 800 people watched ESO Live yesterday while the number were easily over 1000 in the past few months. Is ESO way past the turning point that it can never recover again?

I didn't read the 4 pages as I assume it's the usual complainers and players who quit but still visit the forum frequently. So as a reply to the OP. Because people stopped complaining you think / conclude that players gave up? Maybe complainers gave up who were mostly the same people with several threads.

I stopped watching ESO live a few months ago. There is nothing interesting and as a German I felt embarrassed watching that one guy (can't remember his name) with his sad attempts at jokes followed by a terrible forced smile.
I guess a lot of people tune in when something is about to be released or has just released.

If you play the game and are worried about the state, why not playing the actual game and make an educated guess about how players think instead of interpreting numbers and observations that hardly represent anything.

Countless legitimate bug reports and complaints have been made since IC launched or even since the game launched and many of them still exists. Somehow you think those were made by the same people with several threads? You've got to be super optimistic.

I did not made the assumption solely based on reducing complaints. There was a dude who I can't recall his name that made several threads and polls making many crazy but indeed interesting suggestions to the game a couple of months ago. I can't recall when posts as constructive and informative as that were made last time. People now are busy complaining or reporting bugs not because they enjoy doing it but they feel desperate.

If you have not come across frustrations in game, good for you. But pretending the game is not in a serious condition is not going to help.