Why do sorcs refuse to think outside the box?

ToRelax

rokrdt05 wrote: »

I play a sorc and let's be fair... Shield Breaker is a pretty cheesy set. Light Attack and you win type deal? No skill required... just gather TV and go buy the set and boom... shield killer set (to any class).

HOWEVER, since the set DOES exist and since ZOS does not intend to change the set I'VE had to make some changes to my play style. I still run my class shield, I stopped using Harness/Dampen, I still use Healing Ward, and now I also use Boundless Storm. I have found that excessive shield stacking is not needed this patch (specially now that I'm running 2 Heavy, 5 Light), as it was previous patches with the damage reduction where it's at. When I DO run into someone who is using shieldbreaker (which makes them weaker), I stop refreshing shields, pop boundless storm, use Blessing of Restoration (which is a decent heal), and go on the offensive. People depending on this set forget to defend because they think I have the "I win set on" and therefor die easily. Once they stop LA'ing I can restack a shield to tempt them into that weak 2k attack and go back on the offensive.

Araxleon I agree that sorcs are crying waaaay to much for this set when there are simple counters to it. I understand that it is a cheesy set and thinks it needs to be reworked and can affect other classes as well. Honestly this set encourages bad play style and makes the player WEAKER not stronger.

I like your approach, but I don't worry that much about bad players who overestimate themselves/underestimate me and let me burst them down while they try to kill me with shieldbreaker. I do worry about players who have some PvP experience and basic understanding of game mechanics, those I can not kill quickly, not heal through their damage, not shield it, and only sometimes escape. Maybe there are many Sorcs who are not able to adapt so far and cry without trying new builds, but that's to be expected. You have to look at the good players if you want to find balance for a game or some of them will be OP and the rest of the playerbase complains again.

Xeven

Araxleon wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Seriously since this patch came out all they have done is complain about shield breaker, Just use another method to avoid damage? With the new target system pets must be amazing + Slot a proper heal....

If you dare say I dont wanna use pets... I dont wanna use sap essence but its the only AOE I got.

And if you want to focus on shields atleast use your head.

Slot a heal and dont build for really big shields focus more on smaller but more casts.
(Someone I know changed stuff around and its great for him
Smaller shield means less time in lethal zone if someone using shield breaker shows up)

Play Sorc then. Show us how. You can't, you're just spewing BS.

None of that works.

Make LA = to MA mitigation. Give us Vigor morph. Now that works.

I could play magicka NB without cloak and preform better than you, Hell I Have already proven that to enough people
You on the other hand act like a fly without wings if you cant use your class damage shield.

And you have to realize if you use shield breaker and fight a fellow stam build, your basically fighting without a 5 piece bonus.

Seriously sounds like you have a L2P issue.

Phew...Guess that rumor that all magicka sorcs play the same build is true.

Youre EXACTLY right, except for the L2P jab.

Magicka Sorcs are flys without wings without shields and that is exactly why we all play similar builds.

We must use LA, and we must use shields.That is all we have.

If you have a valid suggestion that is not stamina or heavy armor, Im all ears.

Xeven

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I think the set is a bit much. 5 set piece to kill shield users... you really have a lot of hate to dedicate 5 armor pieces, but whatever.

The name is a bit deceiving though isnt it? Its not breaking the shield, it bypassing the shield and doing unresistable damage. Shouldnt it like break shields in someway? Autocrit or x% damage to shields with a 5% chance to drop the shield completely?

You really dont. Its got max stamina, stamina regen, and weapon damage for the 2, 3, and 4 piece bonus. Stamina users are wearing that anyway, and it costs far fewer stones than a crafted set. Who wouldnt wear this set for PvP? Seriously.

ArgoCye

I just got spammed with velocious curse. Hilarious and sad at the same time. With the exception of a couple of players, those who play sorcs are the most lazy and useless players in the eso universe. Be happy to see the whole class die just because of idiots that play that class - exceptions crushing shock and miss charm and zanti and zane and that sonofabitch whose name cant be spoken.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Rook_Master wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Let's be honest. This is about getting "payback" on all the sorcs who abused the hell out of damage shields when they were OP.

Rook_Master wrote: »

In all seriousness though, this is just your comeuppance for shieldstacking 30k+ shields since March, and then arguing against nerfing Hardened Ward and Shieldstacking.

The nerfhammer has been swung at shields, HARD. You will now have to adapt.

Point proven.

Yep, and I'm totally unashamed to say that I get a sense of satisfaction seeing sorcs get trashed by Shieldbreaker builds.

There are plenty of respectable stam sorcs like FENGRUSH that didn't abuse mechanics and exploits for months asfter 1.6 dropped.

The vast majority of sorcs can just go get boned by Shieldbreaker and I sincerely dont' care.

This is the attitude that is piece by piece destroying the game and PvP in general.

These same sorcs are going to be the first who join the "Nerf cloak" club for the same reasons you espouse and instead of trying to *balance* the game, people are more interested in getting "even" which is absurd.

I haven't fought Fengrush on my NB since I can't but every Stam sorc I've seen to date is a weaker version of my NB for obvious reasons. Most people rolled a sorc because they preferred playing a ranged caster not a 2-hander spamming ball of lightning.

I didn't even want something as extreme as Shieldbreaker but Zenimax refuses to nerf Hardened Ward of shield-stacking for some reason, so I'll take what I can get.

Sorc shields were super OP for ~6 months since March. If they are useless for another half a year until Wrothgar or 1.8 drops, then that's really only fair.

You don't see 50% reduction as a nerf? What would satisfy you, 10% effectiveness in PvP?

ArgoCye

Oh, didn't include Dirty because he is still some sorta beast stam build that, after all the patches, is still frightening

apostate9

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Let's be honest. This is about getting "payback" on all the sorcs who abused the hell out of damage shields when they were OP.

Rook_Master wrote: »

In all seriousness though, this is just your comeuppance for shieldstacking 30k+ shields since March, and then arguing against nerfing Hardened Ward and Shieldstacking.

The nerfhammer has been swung at shields, HARD. You will now have to adapt.

Point proven.

Yep, and I'm totally unashamed to say that I get a sense of satisfaction seeing sorcs get trashed by Shieldbreaker builds.

There are plenty of respectable stam sorcs like FENGRUSH that didn't abuse mechanics and exploits for months asfter 1.6 dropped.

The vast majority of sorcs can just go get boned by Shieldbreaker and I sincerely dont' care.

This is the attitude that is piece by piece destroying the game and PvP in general.

These same sorcs are going to be the first who join the "Nerf cloak" club for the same reasons you espouse and instead of trying to *balance* the game, people are more interested in getting "even" which is absurd.

I haven't fought Fengrush on my NB since I can't but every Stam sorc I've seen to date is a weaker version of my NB for obvious reasons. Most people rolled a sorc because they preferred playing a ranged caster not a 2-hander spamming ball of lightning.

I didn't even want something as extreme as Shieldbreaker but Zenimax refuses to nerf Hardened Ward of shield-stacking for some reason, so I'll take what I can get.

Sorc shields were super OP for ~6 months since March. If they are useless for another half a year until Wrothgar or 1.8 drops, then that's really only fair.

Hardened Ward really doesn't need a nerf, it's only 9.6k with 77cp in bastion and 33k magicka. Lots of skills can 1 or 2-shot it.

Edit: on top of that any overflow damage is unmitigated. So say you did an 8k wrecking blow to my 9.6k ward and left me with 1.6k then hit me with another 8k WB the remaining 6.4k damage would hit me ignoring any physical resistance.

Guys...overflow damage IS NOT unmitigated. It hasn't been since 1.7. This is an urban legend.

Ezareth

ArgoCye wrote: »

I just got spammed with velocious curse. Hilarious and sad at the same time. With the exception of a couple of players, those who play sorcs are the most lazy and useless players in the eso universe. Be happy to see the whole class die just because of idiots that play that class - exceptions crushing shock and miss charm and zanti and zane and that sonofabitch whose name cant be spoken.

How exactly does one "spam" an ability that can only explode every 3.5 seconds?

Also...you must not know many nightblades do you?

_adhyffbjjjf12

just got spammed with velocious curse. Hilarious and sad at the same time. With the exception of a couple of players, those who play sorcs are the most lazy and useless players in the eso universe. Be happy to see the whole class die just because of idiots that play that class - exceptions crushing shock and miss charm and zanti and zane and that sonofabitch whose name cant be spoken.

let me translate for you. you sneer at a player who has a lot to learn. all human beings who play sorcerer apart from a few people are qualified as 'lazy' you are by implication great and ofc would be part of the 'few' if you played sorcerer - right?

stop sneering and maybe think how fun it would be if the game was balanced so skill mattered, not op sets or exploits.

Derra

Araxleon wrote: »

Seriously since this patch came out all they have done is complain about shield breaker, Just use another method to avoid damage? With the new target system pets must be amazing + Slot a proper heal....

If you dare say I dont wanna use pets... I dont wanna use sap essence but its the only AOE I got.

And if you want to focus on shields atleast use your head.

Slot a heal and dont build for really big shields focus more on smaller but more casts.
(Someone I know changed stuff around and its great for him
Smaller shield means less time in lethal zone if someone using shield breaker shows up)

Using pets is horrible. They are not vaible in grp play at all. Maybe you should try it yourself instead of giving good advice. The class is horribly designed - that's why everyone uses the same builds. There is no variety like with your class. You should give it a try.

LegendaryChef

At the moment to me I don't care who the person using the set is, bad or good, I INSTANTLY lose respect for them if they use it. I will stay with my sorc through these "tough times" because I refuse to give in just because ZoS have decided to give every player in the game a "poop on sorc button" that they can press whenever they feel like it. Hopefully in time they will realise that it's a terrible idea (more chance of ground oils coming back) and either nerf it or remove it but either way, if you can't see that it's ridiculous then you have either not played a magicka build or you are blind.

And yes, before anyone replies, I am another sorc QQr but someone has to say it.

#bringbackduelmundus
#bringbackmagelightbug

LegendaryChef

ArgoCye wrote: »

I just got spammed with velocious curse. Hilarious and sad at the same time. With the exception of a couple of players, those who play sorcs are the most lazy and useless players in the eso universe. Be happy to see the whole class die just because of idiots that play that class - exceptions crushing shock and miss charm and zanti and zane and that sonofabitch whose name cant be spoken.

You sound a little stressed, come to the right thread to blow off steam about sorcs though! Maybe try and think outside the box to counter this?

Darnathian

Ezareth wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

Sooooo. Can my Magicka DK join the conversation and support the sorcs? Shield breaker is a bit much, especially when you've only got a 6k damage shield.

Why can't it do something like "X Percentage of remaining damage shield in unresistable damage" to basically reward sorc who wait for their shield to deplete rather than spamming it so you never see their health, while at the same time, not destroying any non-sorcs that would like to use damage shields.

I think it should be something like consecutive light attacks will proc "Shield Breaker" buff which adds 5K bonus damage to all of your attacks *against damage shields only* for the next 6 seconds.

This would make the set extremely powerful against shield spammers without completely invalidating the playstyle and players.

It's too late. Not Zos's fault on this one. If the players had agreed about a fix then they would have done it. But most sorcs defended any suggestion to fix the problem claiming it would break their class. So instead of fixing that class with a simple fix like no more shield stacking, they nerf everyone the same.

DezIsDead

Dbl post

DezIsDead

TBf no one can call arable on out, he is a hell of a player. My .02 is the damage on the set is a little much but I'm not gonna rage about it because I haven't even had the set used against me. I really don't see people running it except gankers. Basically what that means to me is nothing's really changed from 1.6 if I get hit from stealth I better pop a pot and get on the attack. All I'm worried about is when real PvP starts back up and it procs on barrier in group play. That will f**king suck.

AhPook_Is_Here

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

just got spammed with velocious curse. Hilarious and sad at the same time. With the exception of a couple of players, those who play sorcs are the most lazy and useless players in the eso universe. Be happy to see the whole class die just because of idiots that play that class - exceptions crushing shock and miss charm and zanti and zane and that sonofabitch whose name cant be spoken.

let me translate for you. you sneer at a player who has a lot to learn. all human beings who play sorcerer apart from a few people are qualified as 'lazy' you are by implication great and ofc would be part of the 'few' if you played sorcerer - right?

stop sneering and maybe think how fun it would be if the game was balanced so skill mattered, not op sets or exploits.

Welcome to Lake Wobegon, where all the children are above average.

FriedEggSandwich

Rook_Master wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Let's be honest. This is about getting "payback" on all the sorcs who abused the hell out of damage shields when they were OP.

Rook_Master wrote: »

In all seriousness though, this is just your comeuppance for shieldstacking 30k+ shields since March, and then arguing against nerfing Hardened Ward and Shieldstacking.

The nerfhammer has been swung at shields, HARD. You will now have to adapt.

Point proven.

Yep, and I'm totally unashamed to say that I get a sense of satisfaction seeing sorcs get trashed by Shieldbreaker builds.

There are plenty of respectable stam sorcs like FENGRUSH that didn't abuse mechanics and exploits for months asfter 1.6 dropped.

The vast majority of sorcs can just go get boned by Shieldbreaker and I sincerely dont' care.

This is the attitude that is piece by piece destroying the game and PvP in general.

These same sorcs are going to be the first who join the "Nerf cloak" club for the same reasons you espouse and instead of trying to *balance* the game, people are more interested in getting "even" which is absurd.

I haven't fought Fengrush on my NB since I can't but every Stam sorc I've seen to date is a weaker version of my NB for obvious reasons. Most people rolled a sorc because they preferred playing a ranged caster not a 2-hander spamming ball of lightning.

I didn't even want something as extreme as Shieldbreaker but Zenimax refuses to nerf Hardened Ward of shield-stacking for some reason, so I'll take what I can get.

Sorc shields were super OP for ~6 months since March. If they are useless for another half a year until Wrothgar or 1.8 drops, then that's really only fair.

You realize Hardened Ward was nerfed by over 40% this patch relative to last patch? Healing ward was nerfed by far more.

They are still very strong but even without shield breaker God-mode sorcs are a thing of the past. You wouldn't believe how many old school sorc players such as myself who had no interest in playing late game 1.6 because they were so "Easy mode".

Maybe you were a gentleman about it, but let me tell you there were many many others that were not. There were even idiots posting nostalgia videos about themselves exploiting with their 1.6 sorcs.

I know that you specifically were calling for reasonable changes, but what we got was too little too late, and if the only way Zenimax can deal with it is by imploding all shields with a new set, then I'll take that.

And if all those former 1.6 sorcs that were exploiting and abusing mechanics suffer, forgive me if I don't start crying for them.

Saw NBs posting those vids too. Why do people hate sorcs so much? Witnessed a NB emp telling zone chat that if you didn't have 2 mundus then you should go home. There are sorcs out there who chose not to exploit, myself included. Tarring all sorcs with the same brush makes about as much sense as racial prejudice.

FriedEggSandwich

Rune_Relic wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Let's be honest. This is about getting "payback" on all the sorcs who abused the hell out of damage shields when they were OP.

Rook_Master wrote: »

In all seriousness though, this is just your comeuppance for shieldstacking 30k+ shields since March, and then arguing against nerfing Hardened Ward and Shieldstacking.

The nerfhammer has been swung at shields, HARD. You will now have to adapt.

Point proven.

Yep, and I'm totally unashamed to say that I get a sense of satisfaction seeing sorcs get trashed by Shieldbreaker builds.

There are plenty of respectable stam sorcs like FENGRUSH that didn't abuse mechanics and exploits for months asfter 1.6 dropped.

The vast majority of sorcs can just go get boned by Shieldbreaker and I sincerely dont' care.

This is the attitude that is piece by piece destroying the game and PvP in general.

These same sorcs are going to be the first who join the "Nerf cloak" club for the same reasons you espouse and instead of trying to *balance* the game, people are more interested in getting "even" which is absurd.

I haven't fought Fengrush on my NB since I can't but every Stam sorc I've seen to date is a weaker version of my NB for obvious reasons. Most people rolled a sorc because they preferred playing a ranged caster not a 2-hander spamming ball of lightning.

I didn't even want something as extreme as Shieldbreaker but Zenimax refuses to nerf Hardened Ward of shield-stacking for some reason, so I'll take what I can get.

Sorc shields were super OP for ~6 months since March. If they are useless for another half a year until Wrothgar or 1.8 drops, then that's really only fair.

Hardened Ward really doesn't need a nerf, it's only 9.6k with 77cp in bastion and 33k magicka. Lots of skills can 1 or 2-shot it.

Edit: on top of that any overflow damage is unmitigated. So say you did an 8k wrecking blow to my 9.6k ward and left me with 1.6k then hit me with another 8k WB the remaining 6.4k damage would hit me ignoring any physical resistance.

That's been fixed evidently

Ah ok, good to know thanks. Especially as I've just spec'd into heavy armour.

FriedEggSandwich

HeroOfNone wrote: »

The annoying pet builds I've seen use shield still but use that lightning ball version of streak and 2 pets with a twilight and exploding scamp. The sorc would then proceed to bolt around and let the projectiles and rushes hit their pets or the balls, wasting enemy attacks while the pets , curse, and other things wore down the enemy. After which it was about waiting for low enough health to insta cast fragments and dawn breaker.

Seems it will still work with out shields but might need a resto on back bar

Ball of lightening only absorbs spell projectiles so wouldn't be any good at absorbing the light attacks from a bow. I recently got attacked by a sorc with 2 pets in cropsford. I just streaked through his pets, tab-targeted him and he was dead in seconds and his pets went with him. Pets are least useful 1v1 imo, it's so easy to kite them, in a group they can cause more annoyance. They're still not worth slotting cos they take 2 skill slots each. When you only have 10 skill slots who wants to waste 4 on 2 pets?

ToRelax

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

The annoying pet builds I've seen use shield still but use that lightning ball version of streak and 2 pets with a twilight and exploding scamp. The sorc would then proceed to bolt around and let the projectiles and rushes hit their pets or the balls, wasting enemy attacks while the pets , curse, and other things wore down the enemy. After which it was about waiting for low enough health to insta cast fragments and dawn breaker.

Seems it will still work with out shields but might need a resto on back bar

Ball of lightening only absorbs spell projectiles so wouldn't be any good at absorbing the light attacks from a bow. I recently got attacked by a sorc with 2 pets in cropsford. I just streaked through his pets, tab-targeted him and he was dead in seconds and his pets went with him. Pets are least useful 1v1 imo, it's so easy to kite them, in a group they can cause more annoyance. They're still not worth slotting cos they take 2 skill slots each. When you only have 10 skill slots who wants to waste 4 on 2 pets?

Actually I find them way more useful in duels, but in groups they suck.

Force-Siphon

Saw NBs posting those vids too. Why do people hate sorcs so much? Witnessed a NB emp telling zone chat that if you didn't have 2 mundus then you should go home. There are sorcs out there who chose not to exploit, myself included. Tarring all sorcs with the same brush makes about as much sense as racial prejudice.

Haters gonna hate

FriedEggSandwich

ToRelax wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

The annoying pet builds I've seen use shield still but use that lightning ball version of streak and 2 pets with a twilight and exploding scamp. The sorc would then proceed to bolt around and let the projectiles and rushes hit their pets or the balls, wasting enemy attacks while the pets , curse, and other things wore down the enemy. After which it was about waiting for low enough health to insta cast fragments and dawn breaker.

Seems it will still work with out shields but might need a resto on back bar

Ball of lightening only absorbs spell projectiles so wouldn't be any good at absorbing the light attacks from a bow. I recently got attacked by a sorc with 2 pets in cropsford. I just streaked through his pets, tab-targeted him and he was dead in seconds and his pets went with him. Pets are least useful 1v1 imo, it's so easy to kite them, in a group they can cause more annoyance. They're still not worth slotting cos they take 2 skill slots each. When you only have 10 skill slots who wants to waste 4 on 2 pets?

Actually I find them way more useful in duels, but in groups they suck.

I guess now that streak has been nerfed they would be of more use. It was too easy to just kite them around with streak before this patch though. The only pet for me is the atro

Huggalump

I use shield breaker. Today after a few hours of pvp, there were two sorcs I kept running into. One I could kill easily using just light attacks. The other dominated me every time and I never seemed to get him below 50%.

I'm not sure what he was doing and I am certain shield breaker will go through multiple balancing adjustments.... but there are ways to survive it.

bosmern_ESO

Magicka builds main defense are shields
Stamina builds main defense are blocking/roll dodging

Don't say "slot a heal!" I'm a templar, and I bet if i had a shield on against someone with shield breaker even I couldn't out heal the damage they do, restoration staff heals are a bit pitiful unless your stacking healing springs on yourself, but thats not ideal for solo builds.

magicka DK and Templars can heal/sustain because their class abilities/passives help provide that, Sorcerers Nightblades on the other hand dont really have much sustain (NB has cloak but they lack in self buffs/heals, sorcs have shields and also lack in self buffs/heals)

Granted I don't have a max level sorc, magicka sorcs main defense is shields. They literally can't live without shields, and now there is a set that renders them useless.

Either Shield breaker needs balancing or sorcs need serious self sustain changes. In my honest opinion I believe all classes should have a good class self heal and the only way to heal others would be with a restoration staff, It would help with sustain for all classes/builds.

Carde

Outside the box = go stam because its more dignified?

Domander

If you use shields as your primary defense, you're going to be countered by this set, and rightfully so... shield stacking is insanely powerful.

If you use heals as your primary defense, you're going to have trouble when hit with a healing debuff.

If you use block as your primary defense, you're going to have trouble when feared/disoriented.

etc etc.

If you don't want to be hard countered, be more flexible with your defense. The shield stacking along with the mobility of sorcs is incredibly powerful.

ToRelax

Domander wrote: »

If you use shields as your primary defense, you're going to be countered by this set, and rightfully so... shield stacking is insanely powerful.

If you use heals as your primary defense, you're going to have trouble when hit with a healing debuff.

If you use block as your primary defense, you're going to have trouble when feared/disoriented.

etc etc.

If you don't want to be hard countered, be more flexible with your defense. The shield stacking along with the mobility of sorcs is incredibly powerful.

Then add a debuff that is reducing shields casted or received by 30% and can be purged. THAT would be the equivalent to healing debuffs.

Domander

ToRelax wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

If you use shields as your primary defense, you're going to be countered by this set, and rightfully so... shield stacking is insanely powerful.

If you use heals as your primary defense, you're going to have trouble when hit with a healing debuff.

If you use block as your primary defense, you're going to have trouble when feared/disoriented.

etc etc.

If you don't want to be hard countered, be more flexible with your defense. The shield stacking along with the mobility of sorcs is incredibly powerful.

Then add a debuff that is reducing shields casted or received by 30% and can be purged. THAT would be the equivalent to healing debuffs.

No, it wouldn't. Heals also can't go above 100% health like shields can, and where would you add it?

I'm happy there's something in game now to counter putting everything into magicka and stacking shields. I don't think other damage shield users are having as much of an issue because a couple light attacks and the shield is gone.

bosmern_ESO

Domander wrote: »

If you use shields as your primary defense, you're going to be countered by this set, and rightfully so... shield stacking is insanely powerful.

If you use heals as your primary defense, you're going to have trouble when hit with a healing debuff.

If you use block as your primary defense, you're going to have trouble when feared/disoriented.

etc etc.

If you don't want to be hard countered, be more flexible with your defense. The shield stacking along with the mobility of sorcs is incredibly powerful.

Shields wouldn't be a problem if ZoS knew healthy/balanced pvp in the first place...

rokrdt05

ToRelax wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

I play a sorc and let's be fair... Shield Breaker is a pretty cheesy set. Light Attack and you win type deal? No skill required... just gather TV and go buy the set and boom... shield killer set (to any class).

HOWEVER, since the set DOES exist and since ZOS does not intend to change the set I'VE had to make some changes to my play style. I still run my class shield, I stopped using Harness/Dampen, I still use Healing Ward, and now I also use Boundless Storm. I have found that excessive shield stacking is not needed this patch (specially now that I'm running 2 Heavy, 5 Light), as it was previous patches with the damage reduction where it's at. When I DO run into someone who is using shieldbreaker (which makes them weaker), I stop refreshing shields, pop boundless storm, use Blessing of Restoration (which is a decent heal), and go on the offensive. People depending on this set forget to defend because they think I have the "I win set on" and therefor die easily. Once they stop LA'ing I can restack a shield to tempt them into that weak 2k attack and go back on the offensive.

Araxleon I agree that sorcs are crying waaaay to much for this set when there are simple counters to it. I understand that it is a cheesy set and thinks it needs to be reworked and can affect other classes as well. Honestly this set encourages bad play style and makes the player WEAKER not stronger.

I like your approach, but I don't worry that much about bad players who overestimate themselves/underestimate me and let me burst them down while they try to kill me with shieldbreaker. I do worry about players who have some PvP experience and basic understanding of game mechanics, those I can not kill quickly, not heal through their damage, not shield it, and only sometimes escape. Maybe there are many Sorcs who are not able to adapt so far and cry without trying new builds, but that's to be expected. You have to look at the good players if you want to find balance for a game or some of them will be OP and the rest of the playerbase complains again.

That's the thing. I am always theory crafting and testing myself against other GOOD players. Players who I know are good in PvP and will not make it easy for me and allow me to test builds/rotations to their fullest. I also go run around solo and see how well I do against randoms and if something doesn't work I go back to the drawing board. However, a lot of sorcs are wanting to just have their easy mode with multiple shields, instead of figuring out what works in 1.7.

I am NOT endorsing the Shield Breaker set as I think it's extremely cheesy, BUT Zos has not made any comments regarding the set leading me to believe they do not intend to change it even though their are multiple threads regarding the set. With that said, you have to work around the set and work with your class to see what can and will work.