Why do sorcs refuse to think outside the box?

Araxleon

Seriously since this patch came out all they have done is complain about shield breaker, Just use another method to avoid damage? With the new target system pets must be amazing + Slot a proper heal....

If you dare say I dont wanna use pets... I dont wanna use sap essence but its the only AOE I got.

And if you want to focus on shields atleast use your head.

Slot a heal and dont build for really big shields focus more on smaller but more casts.
(Someone I know changed stuff around and its great for him
Smaller shield means less time in lethal zone if someone using shield breaker shows up)

ToRelax

I tried a few different builds already. Against shielbreaker, you still need a shield, pets aren't really useful and, sorry to say, but there is no other main defensive mechanic a magicka Sorc could use often. Block and dodge aren't enough with the nerfs to them.

Btw, wtt streak for cloak /w me.

Araxleon

ToRelax wrote: »

I tried a few different builds already. Against shielbreaker, you still need a shield, pets aren't really useful and, sorry to say, but there is no other main defensive mechanic a magicka Sorc could use often. Block and dodge aren't enough with the nerfs to them.

Btw, wtt streak for cloak /w me.

Im a NB, your a sorc. So what? We are useless outside cloak and shields?
Lets say NB didnt have cloak and sorc couldnt use shields what then?
At one point NB cloak wasnt working and we endured and wrecked face and cloak was never slotted,
Seeing the pets, Bolt and resto heals you guys can still be powerful I have seen it, Most people are rerolling instead of changing there spec.
It seems that most sorcs only learned one way to play

Ghostbane

I tried pets, but they kept complaining to me their shields were getting broken.

Rook_Master

They just need time to adjust. They will learn to put points into health and mitigate damage just like the rest of the classes eventually.

It has been about six months since 1.6, and that's a long time to have 30k+ shieldstacking and super OP BE.

They need some time to relearn how to play, and not mash a few buttons to win.

ToRelax

Araxleon wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

I tried a few different builds already. Against shielbreaker, you still need a shield, pets aren't really useful and, sorry to say, but there is no other main defensive mechanic a magicka Sorc could use often. Block and dodge aren't enough with the nerfs to them.

Btw, wtt streak for cloak /w me.

Im a NB, your a sorc. So what? We are useless outside cloak and shields?
Lets say NB didnt have cloak and sorc couldnt use shields what then?
At one point NB cloak wasnt working and we endured and wrecked face and cloak was never slotted,
Seeing the pets, Bolt and resto heals you guys can still be powerful I have seen it, Most people are rerolling instead of changing there spec.
It seems that most sorcs only learned one way to play

I played with Healing Ward as my only shield for the entirety of 1.5. I am also still "wrecking face", but that doesn't mean I could win against a cometent player utilizing shield breaker in an effective way.
That Cloak wasn't working as well as it does now does not mean it would be balanced if shields didn't work now at all.

thelordoffelines

Arax. If i ever see you fighting someone with shield breaker im going to spam healing ward on you till the fight is over.

Ghostbane

Araxleon wrote: »

Lets say NB didnt have cloak and sorc couldnt use shields what then?

Slot Flame Lash and lawl.

Soulac

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

ToRelax

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

Shieldbreaker is countering my main defensive mechanic and my burst heal from range though...

BTW: I should add, I also use mistform now, wich is useless against shieldbreaker as well if i have a shield up, and if i don't use healing ward before going into it and am low hp, i am as good as dead as well.

Erock25

I don't even play my sorc as magicka anymore and even I think shield breaker hits too hard.

myrrrorb14_ESO

I have been thinking about changing my build.

Big stam / health dps. Use the shield, which will be tiny, to draw out the shield breakers.

Crit rush and spam wrecking ball. Just for giggles. I imagine the cursing as they expect an easy kill turn into a rout.

Ezareth

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

I think an entire playstyle being completely neutered by a single *extremely easy to acquire* set is not fine.

Damage shields were already nerfed pretty damn hard this patch relative to everything else with the battle spirit buff fixes. Having the easiest set in the game to acquire that will allow anyone to steps into cyrodiil with a bow the ability to light attack players to death is pretty stupid IMO.

I remember playing my sorc without damage shields....and we all know just how easy it is to kill a sorc who isn't using a damage shield so who are you guys trying to kid here? Let's be honest. This is about getting "payback" on all the sorcs who abused the hell out of damage shields when they were OP.

Minno

Erock25 wrote: »

I don't even play my sorc as magicka anymore and even I think shield breaker hits too hard.

Rise of the stam builds for pvp.
My Templar hits like a wet noodle now. But at least I can heal and slot support skills for groups.

Joy_Division

Araxleon wrote: »

Seriously since this patch came out all they have done is complain about shield breaker, Just use another method to avoid damage? With the new target system pets must be amazing + Slot a proper heal....

If you dare say I dont wanna use pets... I dont wanna use sap essence but its the only AOE I got.

And if you want to focus on shields atleast use your head.

Slot a heal and dont build for really big shields focus more on smaller but more casts.
(Someone I know changed stuff around and its great for him
Smaller shield means less time in lethal zone if someone using shield breaker shows up)

Well, it's not so much that I have complained about this set.

I'm more annoyed at my sorc bretheren who selfishly insisted that we "needed" OP shields, which the more resources were dedicated t, gave us even more OP burst damage, that forced Zenimax's hand and thus was the genesis of this set.

My biggest issue with the set is that it (to me at least) is not clear at all if my opponent is using it. What exactly is the in-game tell that informs me which opponent has used this set against me?

AhPook_Is_Here

I've been thinking about making a heavy armor very low magicka DK build to just run around though friendly raids mashing fragmented shield like mad and chugging magicka regen pots with magicka regen food. What good trollin that will be!

Erondil

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

Undodgeable concelead weapon and whipe werent hitting harder than shieldbreaker+la spam (around 3-4k dps unmitigated and unblockable) on your nirhorned armour... also petrify and fear works once every 6 sec and you can most of the time block the following attack so its not a hardcounter to block agaisnt a decent player. Soulac stop bullshiting ppl!

OdinForge

Erondil wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

Undodgeable concelead weapon and whipe werent hitting harder than shieldbreaker+la spam (around 3-4k dps unmitigated and unblockable) on your nirhorned armour... also petrify and fear works once every 6 sec and you can most of the time block the following attack so its not a hardcounter to block agaisnt a decent player. Soulac stop bullshiting ppl!

I used to see 8K concealed weapon in my recap on the daily. Not every stamina build had nirn on their armor.

Soulac

ToRelax wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

Shieldbreaker is countering my main defensive mechanic and my burst heal from range though...

BTW: I should add, I also use mistform now, wich is useless against shieldbreaker as well if i have a shield up, and if i don't use healing ward before going into it and am low hp, i am as good as dead as well.

You know how it was to fight a DK or magicka NB as stamina build in the last patch?
Dodge, my main defense gets countered by their spam abilities. Of course it´s fixed now, but stamina builds found ways to adapt and fight this.
Keep in mind that heavy resto/destro, magicka aoes and soul strike don´t give a damn about dodge either.
Now i can dodge stuff like this, but unlike shields, dodge isn´t spammable anymore and you will run out of stamina quite quick - so you kinda have to use other stuff, meaning i use cloak mostly.
Best thing at it? It get´s countered by all aoes and a fkin potion.

Now there is ONE Set, ONE counter to shields and i think if someone wastes other possible set combinations just to counter your shields, it should be worth it.

Ezareth

Erondil wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

Undodgeable concelead weapon and whipe werent hitting harder than shieldbreaker+la spam (around 3-4k dps unmitigated and unblockable) on your nirhorned armour... also petrify and fear works once every 6 sec and you can most of the time block the following attack so its not a hardcounter to block agaisnt a decent player. Soulac stop bullshiting ppl!

3-4K dps is not a problem for the stamina players who had access to vigor, but without that it was brutal. And in 1 v 1s it wasn't a big deal but when you get several people on you as a stamblade and one of them is a DK who does nothing but spam whip from 10 feet away and petrify while everyone else piles on it was a death sentence to pretty much any stamblade.

Soulac

Ezareth wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

I think an entire playstyle being completely neutered by a single *extremely easy to acquire* set is not fine.

Damage shields were already nerfed pretty damn hard this patch relative to everything else with the battle spirit buff fixes. Having the easiest set in the game to acquire that will allow anyone to steps into cyrodiil with a bow the ability to light attack players to death is pretty stupid IMO.

I remember playing my sorc without damage shields....and we all know just how easy it is to kill a sorc who isn't using a damage shield so who are you guys trying to kid here? Let's be honest. This is about getting "payback" on all the sorcs who abused the hell out of damage shields when they were OP.

If i play a magicka nightblade, not wanting to run fotm healing ward, my only real defense is Cloak.
Cloak gets hard countered by:
Any AoE
Boss Mobs
Mobs in general sometimes
Mark
Flare
Potions

Making me visible for every enemy, not only for the one who uses the counter.
But that´s okay, right?
Slot a potion and counter an entire playstyle is fine, right?

So the nightblade has to adapt and use something else against these counters, same applies to you as a sorc.
You want to rely on a single defense ability? Do it, but live with the counter.

Maulkin

Araxleon wrote: »

Seriously since this patch came out all they have done is complain about shield breaker, Just use another method to avoid damage? With the new target system pets must be amazing + Slot a proper heal....

If you dare say I dont wanna use pets... I dont wanna use sap essence but its the only AOE I got.

And if you want to focus on shields atleast use your head.

Slot a heal and dont build for really big shields focus more on smaller but more casts.
(Someone I know changed stuff around and its great for him
Smaller shield means less time in lethal zone if someone using shield breaker shows up)

Some of the advice here is not sound, beyond perhaps turtling behind pets. The "slot a heal" advice in particular is taking the mickey. Please point me towards that proper heal and I will happily use it. There is no proper heal on the resto line.

I have tried both Rapid Regen and Blessing of Restoration and they are both pretty rubbish. BoR is like a 2.6k heal for me with 30 CPs into Quick Recovery. A light attack with v16 Shield Breaker is 2.3k damage. Rapid Regen ticks for ~600 so it takes like 4" to offset the damage done to you almost every second.

I keep saying it. My Crushing Shock has 1.6k x 3 tooltip. That is 800 x 3 in PVP or about the same damage as one SB hit on me. You just can't keep up with the damage.

If you go without shields the higher mitigation of the medium build, on top of to their dodging and compounded with the Champion System that gives more mitigation against magicka attacks, puts you at a huge disadvantage.

Basically if I meet a shield breaker build I have found two options:
1) Flee
2) Throw caution to the wind, go all out attack and hope to kill before you get killed.

Option 2 works against lesser players, but not against a player of decent skill who can sustain in combat. Option 1, well I guess you can still try to do what on the districts.

Erondil

OdinForge wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

Undodgeable concelead weapon and whipe werent hitting harder than shieldbreaker+la spam (around 3-4k dps unmitigated and unblockable) on your nirhorned armour... also petrify and fear works once every 6 sec and you can most of the time block the following attack so its not a hardcounter to block agaisnt a decent player. Soulac stop bullshiting ppl!

I used to see 8K concealed weapon in my recap on the daily. Not every stamina build had nirn on their armor.

But you still had an easy way to counter those 8k concelead weapon.

Ezareth wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

Undodgeable concelead weapon and whipe werent hitting harder than shieldbreaker+la spam (around 3-4k dps unmitigated and unblockable) on your nirhorned armour... also petrify and fear works once every 6 sec and you can most of the time block the following attack so its not a hardcounter to block agaisnt a decent player. Soulac stop bullshiting ppl!

3-4K dps is not a problem for the stamina players who had access to vigor, but without that it was brutal. And in 1 v 1s it wasn't a big deal but when you get several people on you as a stamblade and one of them is a DK who does nothing but spam whip from 10 feet away and petrify while everyone else piles on it was a death sentence to pretty much any stamblade.

Agaisnt a nirn medium user in 1.6, my concelead weapon wasn't hitting for more than 4-5k (and even less on scrubs with 7 nirn) which correspond to ~3k after the battle spirit change. And this with a high damage setup, squishy and some ressources issues. Now compare with it Shiebreaker+bow la spam, 3-4k dps (with the new batle spirit),not sharing the skill GCD, not blockable nor mitigeable, ranged and that doesnt require to specc into damages much.
I do think concelead weapon and whip undodgeable were an issue, but saying that shieldbreaker is fine as @Soulac does is total BS.

Edit : Also seems to me that the principal argument you use @Soulac is that some stuff was broken in 1.6, defavorising stam builds, so now as pay back some stuff should be broken and defavor magicka build. Makes me sad to see that even you got such childish behaviour sometimes...

Xeven

Araxleon wrote: »

Seriously since this patch came out all they have done is complain about shield breaker, Just use another method to avoid damage? With the new target system pets must be amazing + Slot a proper heal....

If you dare say I dont wanna use pets... I dont wanna use sap essence but its the only AOE I got.

And if you want to focus on shields atleast use your head.

Slot a heal and dont build for really big shields focus more on smaller but more casts.
(Someone I know changed stuff around and its great for him
Smaller shield means less time in lethal zone if someone using shield breaker shows up)

Play Sorc then. Show us how. You can't, you're just spewing BS.

None of that works.

Make LA = to MA mitigation. Give us Vigor morph. Now that works.

Ezareth

Soulac wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

I think an entire playstyle being completely neutered by a single *extremely easy to acquire* set is not fine.

Damage shields were already nerfed pretty damn hard this patch relative to everything else with the battle spirit buff fixes. Having the easiest set in the game to acquire that will allow anyone to steps into cyrodiil with a bow the ability to light attack players to death is pretty stupid IMO.

I remember playing my sorc without damage shields....and we all know just how easy it is to kill a sorc who isn't using a damage shield so who are you guys trying to kid here? Let's be honest. This is about getting "payback" on all the sorcs who abused the hell out of damage shields when they were OP.

If i play a magicka nightblade, not wanting to run fotm healing ward, my only real defense is Cloak.
Cloak gets hard countered by:
Any AoE
Boss Mobs
Mobs in general sometimes
Mark
Flare
Potions

Making me visible for every enemy, not only for the one who uses the counter.
But that´s okay, right?
Slot a potion and counter an entire playstyle is fine, right?

So the nightblade has to adapt and use something else against these counters, same applies to you as a sorc.
You want to rely on a single defense ability? Do it, but live with the counter.

Tell me the last time you were killed because someone detected you with AoE or flare. You and I both know how fast a cloaked NB can move. Sure if you're stuck in a cornered position it may find you but all you need to do is drop a shade and lead the group away, port back to it and you're in the clear.

The biggest difference I'm talking about here is if you strip away your cloak you still have a ton of other defensive options. You can heal spam with vigor, you can still dodge roll and block to more limited degrees and you're not going to have issues against 1 or 2 people unless they're extremely good players. With shield breaker *any* newb can do an absurd amount of damage to any sorc. There is no counter to it for a sorc except to stop using shields which means he is left to rely on a light stamina pool and no magicka heal nearly as good as vigor that he has access to. It's just a stupid scenario that sorc are in right now.

Please someone show me some footage of a sorc being successful without using damage shields that isn't on Xbox or something fighting a group full of mouse clicker equivalents.

Rook_Master

They should rename Shield Breaker, "Sorc Forum QQ Rage Set"

In all seriousness though, this is just your comeuppance for shieldstacking 30k+ shields since March, and then arguing against nerfing Hardened Ward and Shieldstacking.

The nerfhammer has been swung at shields, HARD. You will now have to adapt.

Xeven

Rook_Master wrote: »

The nerfhammer has been swung at shields, HARD. You will now have to adapt.

BRB rerolling NB.

Adaption completed.

Soulac

Ezareth wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dodge got hard counters, block got hard counters, healing got some counters as well - so every defense I got as stamina only build gets countered.
That´s why I go for huge magicka reg and lower stamina reg to use cloak as additional defense.
And even then it got enough counters and I´m not unkillable or something, shields shouldn´t be a difference.

I fought around 6 months against undodgeable concealed weapon and whips, hitting way more than 2k and my only defense was dodge basically. Block? Fear / Petrify - Cloak? Cloak against a DK.. without building range using shadow image it ain´t gonna be useful.
Anyway.. i still survived. These were melee attacks, so i adapted and went on range and using high mobility in melee to avoid getting hitted.

Except the "bug" with harness, meaning that your attacks won´t reduce the harness shield, but you still get the extra damage, the set is totally fine in my opinion.

I think an entire playstyle being completely neutered by a single *extremely easy to acquire* set is not fine.

Damage shields were already nerfed pretty damn hard this patch relative to everything else with the battle spirit buff fixes. Having the easiest set in the game to acquire that will allow anyone to steps into cyrodiil with a bow the ability to light attack players to death is pretty stupid IMO.

I remember playing my sorc without damage shields....and we all know just how easy it is to kill a sorc who isn't using a damage shield so who are you guys trying to kid here? Let's be honest. This is about getting "payback" on all the sorcs who abused the hell out of damage shields when they were OP.

If i play a magicka nightblade, not wanting to run fotm healing ward, my only real defense is Cloak.
Cloak gets hard countered by:
Any AoE
Boss Mobs
Mobs in general sometimes
Mark
Flare
Potions

Making me visible for every enemy, not only for the one who uses the counter.
But that´s okay, right?
Slot a potion and counter an entire playstyle is fine, right?

So the nightblade has to adapt and use something else against these counters, same applies to you as a sorc.
You want to rely on a single defense ability? Do it, but live with the counter.

Tell me the last time you were killed because someone detected you with AoE or flare. You and I both know how fast a cloaked NB can move. Sure if you're stuck in a cornered position it may find you but all you need to do is drop a shade and lead the group away, port back to it and you're in the clear.

The biggest difference I'm talking about here is if you strip away your cloak you still have a ton of other defensive options. You can heal spam with vigor, you can still dodge roll and block to more limited degrees and you're not going to have issues against 1 or 2 people unless they're extremely good players. With shield breaker *any* newb can do an absurd amount of damage to any sorc. There is no counter to it for a sorc except to stop using shields which means he is left to rely on a light stamina pool and no magicka heal nearly as good as vigor that he has access to. It's just a stupid scenario that sorc are in right now.

Please someone show me some footage of a sorc being successful without using damage shields that isn't on Xbox or something fighting a group full of mouse clicker equivalents.

Yesterday, since i don´t run any speed buffs.
NBs are laughable easy to catch, especially if you now where they will run to.

I use Vigor, Rally, Shadow Image, Cloak, Shuffle as defense and in addition to that i got dodge which drains my stamina incredible fast.

Streak, Mines, Healing from Resto is not available to you?
If I drop stamina and dmg to get a magicka ability as my main defense since all other will run me out of stamina too quick, then i think you could get some stamina for a few dodges or block as well.

As long as I don´t see any sorc at least trying to do something else I´m not gonna believe that there is nothing you could do against shield breaker.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Xeven wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Seriously since this patch came out all they have done is complain about shield breaker, Just use another method to avoid damage? With the new target system pets must be amazing + Slot a proper heal....

If you dare say I dont wanna use pets... I dont wanna use sap essence but its the only AOE I got.

And if you want to focus on shields atleast use your head.

Slot a heal and dont build for really big shields focus more on smaller but more casts.
(Someone I know changed stuff around and its great for him
Smaller shield means less time in lethal zone if someone using shield breaker shows up)

Play Sorc then. Show us how. You can't, you're just spewing BS.

None of that works.

Make LA = to MA mitigation. Give us Vigor morph. Now that works.

Not to mention pets take up two slots each. Our "defense" should be giving up two slots per pet? The pet's still don't do enough damage to justify that especially with the damage nerf.

Ezareth

Ezareth wrote: »

Let's be honest. This is about getting "payback" on all the sorcs who abused the hell out of damage shields when they were OP.

Rook_Master wrote: »

In all seriousness though, this is just your comeuppance for shieldstacking 30k+ shields since March, and then arguing against nerfing Hardened Ward and Shieldstacking.

The nerfhammer has been swung at shields, HARD. You will now have to adapt.

Point proven.

Xeven wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

The nerfhammer has been swung at shields, HARD. You will now have to adapt.

BRB rerolling NB.

Adaption completed.

Welcome to the club!

OdinForge

Rook_Master wrote: »

They should rename Shield Breaker, "Sorc Forum QQ Rage Set"

In all seriousness though, this is just your comeuppance for shieldstacking 30k+ shields since March, and then arguing against nerfing Hardened Ward and Shieldstacking.

The nerfhammer has been swung at shields, HARD. You will now have to adapt.

The thing with shield-breaker though, it feels like a lazy fix. I don't entirely agree with this set either, from a stamina or a magicka based perspective. Can't they be a little more creative to the shield stacking issue, like introducing a mechanic where you don't get the full value of a recast until it expires completely. At least give people a chance to touch HP, without introducing a set like shield-breaker.

*Just ideas, not throwing out serious suggestions.