Why haven't they nerfed NBs yet?

Xeniph

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

NB got nerfed a lot more than most people realize in this update.

NB benefitted from nirn more than any other class because they don't have a class shield and shields don't benefit from mitigation.

Dodge roll, mobility and penetration nerfs also hit NBs particularly hard because they synergized well with the class.

The overall damage nerf also devalues their burst potential, and their weak healing options are weaker than ever, especially with the increased cost on rally.

Changes to blocking and siphoning attacks have also hurt them in tanking and healing roles, where DK and Templar are even farther ahead than they were before.

Overall I think class balance is likely to be better next update than it is currently if they can work the bugs out well enough to make a fine pass. I still think they need to find a way to make sorc effective in PVE without being OP in PVP. I think nirn was a poorly implemented attempt at that, and there are some adjustments in that direction in this update (particularly in gear) but I can't tell if they've struck the right balance yet.

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

"I win Button" LOL

These NB's aren't defeating you with or because of Cloak. They are however pissing people off because they get away before you kill them.

That's why people are complaining, they refuse to slot the counters because they are situational and get frustrated when a NB gets away with his AP.

Zanen

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

I don't agree with that characterization of cloak at all.

Any AOE trumps cloak, there are abilities and pots specifically to nullify it.

I've never had any trouble countering cloak just with tornado, and that hasn't changed.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Zanen wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

I don't agree with that characterization of cloak at all.

Any AOE trumps cloak, there are abilities and pots specifically to nullify it.

I've never had any trouble countering cloak just with tornado, and that hasn't changed.

Haven't you heard detect pots are near useless now.

Xael

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

I don't agree with that characterization of cloak at all.

Any AOE trumps cloak, there are abilities and pots specifically to nullify it.

I've never had any trouble countering cloak just with tornado, and that hasn't changed.

Haven't you heard detect pots are near useless now.

But yet Radiant Magelight still works and not one NB got away from me tonight.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Soulac

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

NB got nerfed a lot more than most people realize in this update.

NB benefitted from nirn more than any other class because they don't have a class shield and shields don't benefit from mitigation.

Dodge roll, mobility and penetration nerfs also hit NBs particularly hard because they synergized well with the class.

The overall damage nerf also devalues their burst potential, and their weak healing options are weaker than ever, especially with the increased cost on rally.

Changes to blocking and siphoning attacks have also hurt them in tanking and healing roles, where DK and Templar are even farther ahead than they were before.

Overall I think class balance is likely to be better next update than it is currently if they can work the bugs out well enough to make a fine pass. I still think they need to find a way to make sorc effective in PVE without being OP in PVP. I think nirn was a poorly implemented attempt at that, and there are some adjustments in that direction in this update (particularly in gear) but I can't tell if they've struck the right balance yet.

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

AoEs, potions, Mage light, flare

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

I don't agree with that characterization of cloak at all.

Any AOE trumps cloak, there are abilities and pots specifically to nullify it.

I've never had any trouble countering cloak just with tornado, and that hasn't changed.

Haven't you heard detect pots are near useless now.

Potion which let you negate the only class defense of a whole class for around 13 seconds.
How would you like a potion to remove all your heal, shields or don't let you block?

You want to counter cloak? Slot something for it.

Zanen

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

I don't agree with that characterization of cloak at all.

Any AOE trumps cloak, there are abilities and pots specifically to nullify it.

I've never had any trouble countering cloak just with tornado, and that hasn't changed.

Haven't you heard detect pots are near useless now.

Kinda my point they were near useless before outside a zerg where the opportunity cost was distributed, I've never had any trouble countering cloak without them.
Breaking cloak for the entire potion cooldown, for everybody nearby, was broken. NB relies too much on cloak without a class shield or burst heal, more so now with the nerfs to block and dodge.

There aren't pots to continuously nullify core mechanics of other classes. I actually think the change was spot on, making cloak immune to detect pots entirely like they proposed a while ago would have been too much.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

Xeniph wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

NB got nerfed a lot more than most people realize in this update.

NB benefitted from nirn more than any other class because they don't have a class shield and shields don't benefit from mitigation.

Dodge roll, mobility and penetration nerfs also hit NBs particularly hard because they synergized well with the class.

The overall damage nerf also devalues their burst potential, and their weak healing options are weaker than ever, especially with the increased cost on rally.

Changes to blocking and siphoning attacks have also hurt them in tanking and healing roles, where DK and Templar are even farther ahead than they were before.

Overall I think class balance is likely to be better next update than it is currently if they can work the bugs out well enough to make a fine pass. I still think they need to find a way to make sorc effective in PVE without being OP in PVP. I think nirn was a poorly implemented attempt at that, and there are some adjustments in that direction in this update (particularly in gear) but I can't tell if they've struck the right balance yet.

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

"I win Button" LOL

These Sorc's aren't defeating you with or because of Bolt Escape. They are however pissing people off because they get away before you kill them.

That's why people are complaining, they refuse to slot the counters because they are situational and get frustrated when a Sorc gets away with his AP.

Yet that same argument first got a +50% cost increase and 0 magicka regen for 4 secs, which went live with +50% cost increase only a 50% penalty to magicka regen, the regen penalty was then removed, and now 6 months later, the 50% cost increase stacks.

Over a years worth of ZoS 'balancing' tells me you guys better figure out some new talking points or cloak will get nerfed, hard.

Derra

Zanen wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

I don't agree with that characterization of cloak at all.

Any AOE trumps cloak, there are abilities and pots specifically to nullify it.

I've never had any trouble countering cloak just with tornado, and that hasn't changed.

Give me a magica equivalent to tornado and you will never hear a word from me again on this topic.

Soulac

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

NB got nerfed a lot more than most people realize in this update.

NB benefitted from nirn more than any other class because they don't have a class shield and shields don't benefit from mitigation.

Dodge roll, mobility and penetration nerfs also hit NBs particularly hard because they synergized well with the class.

The overall damage nerf also devalues their burst potential, and their weak healing options are weaker than ever, especially with the increased cost on rally.

Changes to blocking and siphoning attacks have also hurt them in tanking and healing roles, where DK and Templar are even farther ahead than they were before.

Overall I think class balance is likely to be better next update than it is currently if they can work the bugs out well enough to make a fine pass. I still think they need to find a way to make sorc effective in PVE without being OP in PVP. I think nirn was a poorly implemented attempt at that, and there are some adjustments in that direction in this update (particularly in gear) but I can't tell if they've struck the right balance yet.

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

"I win Button" LOL

These Sorc's aren't defeating you with or because of Bolt Escape. They are however pissing people off because they get away before you kill them.

That's why people are complaining, they refuse to slot the counters because they are situational and get frustrated when a Sorc gets away with his AP.

Yet that same argument first got a +50% cost increase and 0 magicka regen for 4 secs, which went live with +50% cost increase only a 50% penalty to magicka regen, the regen penalty was then removed, and now 6 months later, the 50% cost increase stacks.

Over a years worth of ZoS 'balancing' tells me you guys better figure out some new talking points or cloak will get nerfed, hard.

Bolt Escape doesn't get useless when someone uses a potion or is removed by AoEs or some light.
The only real counter to Bolt escapes are Gap Closers and if you don't react with it in a second, the sorc is gone.

Don't compare two completely different skills from two completely different classes with completely different skills to defend themselves.
Your main defense is your Shield, mine is cloak.

Arjun

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Best pve dps and unkillable on the pts with the cloak fixes atm

lol NB's are not best PvE dps . . . dps is very situational . . . sometimes NB will do sick dps, but more of the time Iv'e seen sorcs and DK's do sick dps . NB's are certainly not unkillable in pvp . . .there are always counters for each class pvp build. You just need to know what skill(s) to use and how to approach them . . . I would say to you that you need to L2P.

Dracane

Soulac wrote: »

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

NB got nerfed a lot more than most people realize in this update.

NB benefitted from nirn more than any other class because they don't have a class shield and shields don't benefit from mitigation.

Dodge roll, mobility and penetration nerfs also hit NBs particularly hard because they synergized well with the class.

The overall damage nerf also devalues their burst potential, and their weak healing options are weaker than ever, especially with the increased cost on rally.

Changes to blocking and siphoning attacks have also hurt them in tanking and healing roles, where DK and Templar are even farther ahead than they were before.

Overall I think class balance is likely to be better next update than it is currently if they can work the bugs out well enough to make a fine pass. I still think they need to find a way to make sorc effective in PVE without being OP in PVP. I think nirn was a poorly implemented attempt at that, and there are some adjustments in that direction in this update (particularly in gear) but I can't tell if they've struck the right balance yet.

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

"I win Button" LOL

These Sorc's aren't defeating you with or because of Bolt Escape. They are however pissing people off because they get away before you kill them.

That's why people are complaining, they refuse to slot the counters because they are situational and get frustrated when a Sorc gets away with his AP.

Yet that same argument first got a +50% cost increase and 0 magicka regen for 4 secs, which went live with +50% cost increase only a 50% penalty to magicka regen, the regen penalty was then removed, and now 6 months later, the 50% cost increase stacks.

Over a years worth of ZoS 'balancing' tells me you guys better figure out some new talking points or cloak will get nerfed, hard.

Bolt Escape doesn't get useless when someone uses a potion or is removed by AoEs or some light.
The only real counter to Bolt escapes are Gap Closers and if you don't react with it in a second, the sorc is gone.

Don't compare two completely different skills from two completely different classes with completely different skills to defend themselves.
Your main defense is your Shield, mine is cloak.

The Sorc is not gone. You realize that Bolt Escape got nerfed to death and you can barely move 90 meters with it and guess what ? Then you're out of Magicka. Everyone can travel this distance in a few seconds and then the Sorcerer is dead, because he can't defend himself anymore.

Soulac

Dracane wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

NB got nerfed a lot more than most people realize in this update.

NB benefitted from nirn more than any other class because they don't have a class shield and shields don't benefit from mitigation.

Dodge roll, mobility and penetration nerfs also hit NBs particularly hard because they synergized well with the class.

The overall damage nerf also devalues their burst potential, and their weak healing options are weaker than ever, especially with the increased cost on rally.

Changes to blocking and siphoning attacks have also hurt them in tanking and healing roles, where DK and Templar are even farther ahead than they were before.

Overall I think class balance is likely to be better next update than it is currently if they can work the bugs out well enough to make a fine pass. I still think they need to find a way to make sorc effective in PVE without being OP in PVP. I think nirn was a poorly implemented attempt at that, and there are some adjustments in that direction in this update (particularly in gear) but I can't tell if they've struck the right balance yet.

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

"I win Button" LOL

These Sorc's aren't defeating you with or because of Bolt Escape. They are however pissing people off because they get away before you kill them.

That's why people are complaining, they refuse to slot the counters because they are situational and get frustrated when a Sorc gets away with his AP.

Yet that same argument first got a +50% cost increase and 0 magicka regen for 4 secs, which went live with +50% cost increase only a 50% penalty to magicka regen, the regen penalty was then removed, and now 6 months later, the 50% cost increase stacks.

Over a years worth of ZoS 'balancing' tells me you guys better figure out some new talking points or cloak will get nerfed, hard.

Bolt Escape doesn't get useless when someone uses a potion or is removed by AoEs or some light.
The only real counter to Bolt escapes are Gap Closers and if you don't react with it in a second, the sorc is gone.

Don't compare two completely different skills from two completely different classes with completely different skills to defend themselves.
Your main defense is your Shield, mine is cloak.

The Sorc is not gone. You realize that Bolt Escape got nerfed to death and you can barely move 90 meters with it and guess what ? Then you're out of Magicka. Everyone can travel this distance in a few seconds and then the Sorcerer is dead, because he can't defend himself anymore.

Doesn't change the fact that you can't compare cloak with bolt escape.
Bolt Escape is based on mobility and cloak is not.
Cloak makes you invisible and bolt escape doesn't.
Cloak dodges attacks and bolt escape doesn't.
Cloak is easily made useless and bolt escape will work every single time you want it to.
Bolt Escape doesn't break or fail. Of course someone can charge you, but the skill did exactly what you expect from it.
If someone places a Caltrops below me I could use cloak as often as I want to - it won't work.

Also keep in mind that you with your build runs out of Magicka that fast, that doesn't apply on everyone.
A player can surely keep up with a bolting sorc, but it drains a hell lot of stamina which you also need to consider.
If you bolt in the same direction over and over without making use of environment it's your own fault to get captured tho.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

NERF CAT PICTURES !!! For the win

Bfish22090

They keep buffing nightblades while they nerf all the other classes

Robbmrp

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Best pve dps and unkillable on the pts with the cloak fixes atm

NB's have no life...."How do you kill, that which has no life"..... O.o

Garion

I think the biggest problem and the cause of all these nerf threads is that for the majority of other classes / playstyles primary defensive mechanisms were nerfed heavily. By comparison, cloak has been made stronger and that riles people considering the fact all of the other nerfs were excessive. They see cloaked untouched and it makes people angry - and rightly so, I'd say.

Vanzen

Nb hit like a truck, its insane. Fear/hit/dead. If you are enough a nuisance not to die asap, they will deign to cloak and do it again to show you how to behave.
Nb are ruining my game since 1.6.
They can cloak and escape : ok.
They can hit like a truck : ok
BOTH ?!
No sir! Thats enough...

Dracane

Soulac wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

NB got nerfed a lot more than most people realize in this update.

NB benefitted from nirn more than any other class because they don't have a class shield and shields don't benefit from mitigation.

Dodge roll, mobility and penetration nerfs also hit NBs particularly hard because they synergized well with the class.

The overall damage nerf also devalues their burst potential, and their weak healing options are weaker than ever, especially with the increased cost on rally.

Changes to blocking and siphoning attacks have also hurt them in tanking and healing roles, where DK and Templar are even farther ahead than they were before.

Overall I think class balance is likely to be better next update than it is currently if they can work the bugs out well enough to make a fine pass. I still think they need to find a way to make sorc effective in PVE without being OP in PVP. I think nirn was a poorly implemented attempt at that, and there are some adjustments in that direction in this update (particularly in gear) but I can't tell if they've struck the right balance yet.

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

"I win Button" LOL

These Sorc's aren't defeating you with or because of Bolt Escape. They are however pissing people off because they get away before you kill them.

That's why people are complaining, they refuse to slot the counters because they are situational and get frustrated when a Sorc gets away with his AP.

Yet that same argument first got a +50% cost increase and 0 magicka regen for 4 secs, which went live with +50% cost increase only a 50% penalty to magicka regen, the regen penalty was then removed, and now 6 months later, the 50% cost increase stacks.

Over a years worth of ZoS 'balancing' tells me you guys better figure out some new talking points or cloak will get nerfed, hard.

Bolt Escape doesn't get useless when someone uses a potion or is removed by AoEs or some light.
The only real counter to Bolt escapes are Gap Closers and if you don't react with it in a second, the sorc is gone.

Don't compare two completely different skills from two completely different classes with completely different skills to defend themselves.
Your main defense is your Shield, mine is cloak.

The Sorc is not gone. You realize that Bolt Escape got nerfed to death and you can barely move 90 meters with it and guess what ? Then you're out of Magicka. Everyone can travel this distance in a few seconds and then the Sorcerer is dead, because he can't defend himself anymore.

Doesn't change the fact that you can't compare cloak with bolt escape.
Bolt Escape is based on mobility and cloak is not.
Cloak makes you invisible and bolt escape doesn't.
Cloak dodges attacks and bolt escape doesn't.
Cloak is easily made useless and bolt escape will work every single time you want it to.
Bolt Escape doesn't break or fail. Of course someone can charge you, but the skill did exactly what you expect from it.
If someone places a Caltrops below me I could use cloak as often as I want to - it won't work.

Also keep in mind that you with your build runs out of Magicka that fast, that doesn't apply on everyone.
A player can surely keep up with a bolting sorc, but it drains a hell lot of stamina which you also need to consider.
If you bolt in the same direction over and over without making use of environment it's your own fault to get captured tho.

Cloak is the only survial mechanic getting buffed in this update. Detection potions only have a base duration of 10 seconds now, that's nothing.

And don't tell me about revealing flare. Yes, Cloak has quite a few counters. But all of them are EASY to evade if you want to escape. Bolt Escape got nerfed to death, there is no need to argue about that. That's the difference between cloak and blink.... I can try as hard as I want to escape with bolt escape. If my enemy wants to caught me, he can do it. But if a Nightblade really wants to escape, nothing can stop him. No 20 meter, 10 sec detect potion, no slow revealing flare, no AoE and especially no Magelight.

Cloak is way too strong and too easy to use, no penalty. All these counters might work as a protection against a Nightblade, who wants to use cloak to harm you and who stays next to you. But the point here is using it as an Escape and survival mechanics and hands down, it's waaay stronger than any other mechanic in the game now.

Dracane

I am against a regeneration penalty for cloak, stamina Nightblades would suffer too much.
But come one, Cloak needs to be turned down considering the recent changes. No survivial skill in the game can be spammed without thinking anymore, why Cloak ? Cloak deserves the same penalty as Bolt Escape, 50% more cost within 4 seconds and it stacks.

That's not too much to ask for. Cloak will fullfill it's roll, and cloaking 2 times in a row will not cost the world. But more than that makes it ridiculous and OP.

Kupoking

I have a secret:
NB arent OP

OGLezard

Soulac wrote: »

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

NB got nerfed a lot more than most people realize in this update.

NB benefitted from nirn more than any other class because they don't have a class shield and shields don't benefit from mitigation.

Dodge roll, mobility and penetration nerfs also hit NBs particularly hard because they synergized well with the class.

The overall damage nerf also devalues their burst potential, and their weak healing options are weaker than ever, especially with the increased cost on rally.

Changes to blocking and siphoning attacks have also hurt them in tanking and healing roles, where DK and Templar are even farther ahead than they were before.

Overall I think class balance is likely to be better next update than it is currently if they can work the bugs out well enough to make a fine pass. I still think they need to find a way to make sorc effective in PVE without being OP in PVP. I think nirn was a poorly implemented attempt at that, and there are some adjustments in that direction in this update (particularly in gear) but I can't tell if they've struck the right balance yet.

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

"I win Button" LOL

These Sorc's aren't defeating you with or because of Bolt Escape. They are however pissing people off because they get away before you kill them.

That's why people are complaining, they refuse to slot the counters because they are situational and get frustrated when a Sorc gets away with his AP.

Yet that same argument first got a +50% cost increase and 0 magicka regen for 4 secs, which went live with +50% cost increase only a 50% penalty to magicka regen, the regen penalty was then removed, and now 6 months later, the 50% cost increase stacks.

Over a years worth of ZoS 'balancing' tells me you guys better figure out some new talking points or cloak will get nerfed, hard.

Bolt Escape doesn't get useless when someone uses a potion or is removed by AoEs or some light.
The only real counter to Bolt escapes are Gap Closers and if you don't react with it in a second, the sorc is gone.

Don't compare two completely different skills from two completely different classes with completely different skills to defend themselves.
Your main defense is your Shield, mine is cloak.

@soulac apparently you never heard of speed potions? I get caught a lot by people who use movement speed to their advantage...so yea...bolt escape CAN be countered by a potion, most just refuse to use them/ dont even know they exist

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Dracane wrote: »

I am against a regeneration penalty for cloak, stamina Nightblades would suffer too much.
But come one, Cloak needs to be turned down considering the recent changes. No survivial skill in the game can be spammed without thinking anymore, why Cloak ? Cloak deserves the same penalty as Bolt Escape, 50% more cost within 4 seconds and it stacks.

That's not too much to ask for. Cloak will fullfill it's roll, and cloaking 2 times in a row will not cost the world. But more than that makes it ridiculous and OP.

Wait, Sooo after a year plus and Shadow Cloak is about to be finally fixed and now its OP, are you on Skooma or something..

I have waited for more than a year and we are not allowed to escape or use it really how it should have worked since get go and now you want a spam cost, I used to blow through my Magicka before just to make it work, you must be joking... there are plenty of counters to shadow cloak and Nightblades in general, Radiant Magelight is just one of them.. this is rediculous.. go roll a nightblade and bring it to VR14 (atleast) and play in Cyrodiil up until at least rank 5 AvA rank and then tell me how op they are.. I get killed all the time.. you know when I am deadly. I'll tell you when, when your down to half health and fighting someone else (as in preocupied with another enemy) thats when I am lurking in stealth on the side like a shark just waiting to kill you thats when I have the best chance and then to immediately get away...otherwise I cannot stand toe to toe with almighty sorc's or DK's and Templars, damn, I dont even want to get that bounty board quest.. ugh, someone that like DK's can just heal themselves like its going out of style.

I wish I had a potion that could just negate green dragons blood for like 10 secs or a Templars healing or a Sorc's bolt escape, if I did then it would be "welcome to my world..." Kotaro is done and drops the mic... stage left..

pmn100b16_ESO

Make cloak work as reliably as bolt escape and roll dodge. Remove the myriad of counters to it. Slap a AoE stun on it while we're at it, then give it the cost increase. Then give nightblades a spammable class shield that mitigates magicka and stamina attacks.

Lets go...

MmmmTofu

idk how some of NBs find aoe is a hard counter to stealth. I could flee almost every gone-bad zerg-fight with a 14s invis potion(i m no NB so no other goodies), on Live where detection pot still good.

WebBull

To answer the question in the thread title......they haven't nerfed them yet because Zeni reacts way too slow. They will eventually get around to "fixing" them and then it will be a full year of nerfs and over nerfs like the DK received.

Xael

Or you can slot Radiant Magelight like I did and never worry about NBs... game is hard.

Dracane

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I am against a regeneration penalty for cloak, stamina Nightblades would suffer too much.
But come one, Cloak needs to be turned down considering the recent changes. No survivial skill in the game can be spammed without thinking anymore, why Cloak ? Cloak deserves the same penalty as Bolt Escape, 50% more cost within 4 seconds and it stacks.

That's not too much to ask for. Cloak will fullfill it's roll, and cloaking 2 times in a row will not cost the world. But more than that makes it ridiculous and OP.

Wait, Sooo after a year plus and Shadow Cloak is about to be finally fixed and now its OP, are you on Skooma or something..

I have waited for more than a year and we are not allowed to escape or use it really how it should have worked since get go and now you want a spam cost, I used to blow through my Magicka before just to make it work, you must be joking... there are plenty of counters to shadow cloak and Nightblades in general, Radiant Magelight is just one of them.. this is rediculous.. go roll a nightblade and bring it to VR14 (atleast) and play in Cyrodiil up until at least rank 5 AvA rank and then tell me how op they are.. I get killed all the time.. you know when I am deadly. I'll tell you when, when your down to half health and fighting someone else (as in preocupied with another enemy) thats when I am lurking in stealth on the side like a shark just waiting to kill you thats when I have the best chance and then to immediately get away...otherwise I cannot stand toe to toe with almighty sorc's or DK's and Templars, damn, I dont even want to get that bounty board quest.. ugh, someone that like DK's can just heal themselves like its going out of style.

I wish I had a potion that could just negate green dragons blood for like 10 secs or a Templars healing or a Sorc's bolt escape, if I did then it would be "welcome to my world..." Kotaro is done and drops the mic... stage left..

Yes yes yes, counters. Wake up
None of these counters will counter anything, if a Nightblades wants to use Cloak for escaping. I already mentioned it before.
Cloak is the most op survival mechanic in the game if you only use it for this purpose.

Everything else is getting nerfed, cloak is getting buffed. Directly and indirectly.
I'm happy cloak is getting fixed. But you can't deny, that cloak is an OP survival mechanic (okay, you will deny it of course) I won't deny that Bolt Escape used to be a survival mechanic that needed to be brought in line. All survival mechanics got hit, now it's time for cloak to get hit and to be brought in line. That's only fair

Btw, remember our past Kotari.....

Soulac

OGLezard wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zanen wrote: »

NB got nerfed a lot more than most people realize in this update.

NB benefitted from nirn more than any other class because they don't have a class shield and shields don't benefit from mitigation.

Dodge roll, mobility and penetration nerfs also hit NBs particularly hard because they synergized well with the class.

The overall damage nerf also devalues their burst potential, and their weak healing options are weaker than ever, especially with the increased cost on rally.

Changes to blocking and siphoning attacks have also hurt them in tanking and healing roles, where DK and Templar are even farther ahead than they were before.

Overall I think class balance is likely to be better next update than it is currently if they can work the bugs out well enough to make a fine pass. I still think they need to find a way to make sorc effective in PVE without being OP in PVP. I think nirn was a poorly implemented attempt at that, and there are some adjustments in that direction in this update (particularly in gear) but I can't tell if they've struck the right balance yet.

But there new "i win button" cloak un does all that.

"I win Button" LOL

These Sorc's aren't defeating you with or because of Bolt Escape. They are however pissing people off because they get away before you kill them.

That's why people are complaining, they refuse to slot the counters because they are situational and get frustrated when a Sorc gets away with his AP.

Yet that same argument first got a +50% cost increase and 0 magicka regen for 4 secs, which went live with +50% cost increase only a 50% penalty to magicka regen, the regen penalty was then removed, and now 6 months later, the 50% cost increase stacks.

Over a years worth of ZoS 'balancing' tells me you guys better figure out some new talking points or cloak will get nerfed, hard.

Bolt Escape doesn't get useless when someone uses a potion or is removed by AoEs or some light.
The only real counter to Bolt escapes are Gap Closers and if you don't react with it in a second, the sorc is gone.

Don't compare two completely different skills from two completely different classes with completely different skills to defend themselves.
Your main defense is your Shield, mine is cloak.

@soulac apparently you never heard of speed potions? I get caught a lot by people who use movement speed to their advantage...so yea...bolt escape CAN be countered by a potion, most just refuse to use them/ dont even know they exist

And? Of course it´s counterable, but a potion doesn´t make it useless.
If you attack a cloaking nb using a detection potion you hit him out of it, making him visible for everyone.
Also Speedpotions alone are not enough to run after a bolting sorcerer and you still need a gap closer to finally do something.

CP5

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I am against a regeneration penalty for cloak, stamina Nightblades would suffer too much.
But come one, Cloak needs to be turned down considering the recent changes. No survivial skill in the game can be spammed without thinking anymore, why Cloak ? Cloak deserves the same penalty as Bolt Escape, 50% more cost within 4 seconds and it stacks.

That's not too much to ask for. Cloak will fullfill it's roll, and cloaking 2 times in a row will not cost the world. But more than that makes it ridiculous and OP.

Wait, Sooo after a year plus and Shadow Cloak is about to be finally fixed and now its OP, are you on Skooma or something..

I have waited for more than a year and we are not allowed to escape or use it really how it should have worked since get go and now you want a spam cost, I used to blow through my Magicka before just to make it work, you must be joking... there are plenty of counters to shadow cloak and Nightblades in general, Radiant Magelight is just one of them.. this is rediculous.. go roll a nightblade and bring it to VR14 (atleast) and play in Cyrodiil up until at least rank 5 AvA rank and then tell me how op they are.. I get killed all the time.. you know when I am deadly. I'll tell you when, when your down to half health and fighting someone else (as in preocupied with another enemy) thats when I am lurking in stealth on the side like a shark just waiting to kill you thats when I have the best chance and then to immediately get away...otherwise I cannot stand toe to toe with almighty sorc's or DK's and Templars, damn, I dont even want to get that bounty board quest.. ugh, someone that like DK's can just heal themselves like its going out of style.

I wish I had a potion that could just negate green dragons blood for like 10 secs or a Templars healing or a Sorc's bolt escape, if I did then it would be "welcome to my world..." Kotaro is done and drops the mic... stage left..

Healing debuffs, gap closers, movement speed buffs... A nightblade wants to cloak and escape all the time and no one bats an eye, a sorc spams bolt escape and everyone loses their minds. If not for their hard counters nb's would be out of control, and with their 'counters' being easy to work around...

Thalmor-Nordmaster

the Majority of NB are probably cats. Zos has a fascination/perversion for cats. They probably hoard cats in R/L. They may even have secret plushie/furry events. It's all about the cats.