2.1.1 Stamina Sorcerers?

GreyRanger

What happened to the the announced buffs to begin to make stamina sorcerers viable?

dsalter

apparently we only need thundering presence... wish i was in charge of this crap, i'd actually implement alot of the main idea's from the 2.1 thread, mainly the passives

Xael

None of the passives were added this pts.
The only thing to change was Thundering Presence which is better than last PTS but I don't like spending 2k+ stam every 4 seconds just to maintain a speed boost. The damage is low it's laughable. Here is my screenshot:




@Huggalump @CP5 @kkampaseb17_ESO @FENGRUSH @Erock25

Xael

Patch notes said 300% tooltip is showing 200%. Which is it? rofl

CP5

Xael wrote: »

None of the passives were added this pts.
The only thing to change was Thundering Presence which is better than last PTS but I don't like spending 2k+ stam every 4 seconds just to maintain a speed boost. The damage is low it's laughable. Here is my screenshot:




@Huggalump @CP5 @kkampaseb17_ESO @FENGRUSH @Erock25

I don't use the emoji's often, but this is all I have for that...

dsalter

Xael wrote: »

None of the passives were added this pts.
The only thing to change was Thundering Presence which is better than last PTS but I don't like spending 2k+ stam every 4 seconds just to maintain a speed boost. The damage is low it's laughable. Here is my screenshot:




@Huggalump @CP5 @kkampaseb17_ESO @FENGRUSH @Erock25

ugh makes me sick, even at a duration of 8 seconds the cost makes it a joke

dsalter

dsalter wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

None of the passives were added this pts.
The only thing to change was Thundering Presence which is better than last PTS but I don't like spending 2k+ stam every 4 seconds just to maintain a speed boost. The damage is low it's laughable. Here is my screenshot:




@Huggalump @CP5 @kkampaseb17_ESO @FENGRUSH @Erock25

ugh makes me sick, even if it was at a duration of 8 seconds the cost makes it a joke

woops, this one forgot to edit not quote, oh well sticking my guns on this one

Dracane

Xael wrote: »

None of the passives were added this pts.
The only thing to change was Thundering Presence which is better than last PTS but I don't like spending 2k+ stam every 4 seconds just to maintain a speed boost. The damage is low it's laughable. Here is my screenshot:




@Huggalump @CP5 @kkampaseb17_ESO @FENGRUSH @Erock25

Well since you excepted them to add critabe shields, even though they announced they're not going to do that many days ago....

Huggalump

dsalter wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

None of the passives were added this pts.
The only thing to change was Thundering Presence which is better than last PTS but I don't like spending 2k+ stam every 4 seconds just to maintain a speed boost. The damage is low it's laughable. Here is my screenshot:




@Huggalump @CP5 @kkampaseb17_ESO @FENGRUSH @Erock25

ugh makes me sick, even at a duration of 8 seconds the cost makes it a joke

I agree that it's a strange change and I definitely agree that stam sorcs need more.... but I don't think the cost is really a problem. It's not like the skill only lasts for 4 seconds, it's just much stronger for 4 seconds. It's still giving huge armor and resistance plus doing damage for 15 seconds. You can spam it every 4 seconds if you want, but it's not required for the skill to have an affect.

But ya, I wish the move speed lasted longer, but it's better than nothing, right? Here's to hoping that the rest of the promised stam sorc changes coming within the next few weeks.


@Xael thanks for the tag and for the screenshot

sadownik

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

CP5

Huggalump wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

None of the passives were added this pts.
The only thing to change was Thundering Presence which is better than last PTS but I don't like spending 2k+ stam every 4 seconds just to maintain a speed boost. The damage is low it's laughable. Here is my screenshot:




@Huggalump @CP5 @kkampaseb17_ESO @FENGRUSH @Erock25

ugh makes me sick, even at a duration of 8 seconds the cost makes it a joke

I agree that it's a strange change and I definitely agree that stam sorcs need more.... but I don't think the cost is really a problem. It's not like the skill only lasts for 4 seconds, it's just much stronger for 4 seconds. It's still giving huge armor and resistance plus doing damage for 15 seconds. You can spam it every 4 seconds if you want, but it's not required for the skill to have an affect.

But ya, I wish the move speed lasted longer, but it's better than nothing, right? Here's to hoping that the rest of the promised stam sorc changes coming within the next few weeks.


@Xael thanks for the tag and for the screenshot

Soon*

Dracane

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

Xael

Dracane wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

None of the passives were added this pts.
The only thing to change was Thundering Presence which is better than last PTS but I don't like spending 2k+ stam every 4 seconds just to maintain a speed boost. The damage is low it's laughable. Here is my screenshot:




@Huggalump @CP5 @kkampaseb17_ESO @FENGRUSH @Erock25

Well since you excepted them to add critabe shields, even though they announced they're not going to do that many days ago....

What does this even mean? Why are you here? Because I did not know they allegedly said they changed their mind about nerfing shields? Where is your source? Again, why are you here?

Xael

Dracane wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with you in the room is like trying to clap with one hand.

Huggalump

Dracane wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

templars summon heavenly javelins from the sky with stamina. This is the state of the game. Deal with it. Given the state of the game since they killed softcaps, every class needs a viable stamina and a viable magic based option

Teiji

1680 every second for the first four seconds, so 6720?

No idea on the base stats for Thundering Presence so we can start theorycrafting medium armor passives, jewellery and so on.

Xael

Teiji wrote: »

1680 every second for the first four seconds, so 6720?

No idea on the base stats for Thundering Presence so we can start theorycrafting medium armor passives, jewellery and so on.

Did you manage to look at the screenshot?

Dracane

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with you in the room is like trying to clap with one hand.

Have you tried it ? I don't think so. So don't even try judging.

I am here to tell you, that Sorcerer will never be as good as other classes for stamina. Zenimax gave you tools, I'm sure this weapon damage thing will follow soon and 10% stamina regneration. And then ? What else do you want ? A spamable instant stamina class damage ability ?

dsalter

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with you in the room is like trying to clap with one hand.

doable but very awkward?

Ahzek

dsalter wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with you in the room is like trying to clap with one hand.

doable but very awkward?

Oh i just found out i can actually do it !

also:

Dracane wrote: »

What else do you want ? A spamable instant stamina class damage ability ?

yes please

Dracane

dsalter wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with you in the room is like trying to clap with one hand.

doable but very awkward?

Nooo it's easy. But people have different opinions. You don't try to understand me or have insight for my opinions, so yea, it's impossible but that's your fault as well then.

I would gladly have a nice talk with you guys. It's just that this whole stamina Sorcerer thing is really exhausting at times.

OrphanHelgen

Sorc passive: 5% reduce cost.
Sorc passive: x% weapon dmg of each sorc ability slotted.
Sorc passive: Reduce costs of ultimates (Flawless dawnbreaker 85 ult)
Bound aegis: 8% max stamina, I repeat EIGHT % MAX STAMINA !!!!!! + minor buff.
Thundering Precence: Major resolve and ward. Every buff stack with champion points and medium armor general buff 3/4th of heavy armor. Now that you cant blockcast as effective, you need to be more tanky anyway.
Crit surge: Making Sorc the only class that can go double bow for example without using pots.
Overload ult: scales with weapon dmg, combine with new items.
That pet ult thing, press x, get 25% increase dmg, new standard of might??

A different playstyle then a boring NB maybe, but common stop the raging before you actually have tried it, and if it dont suite your playstyle *** meta players then dont play it.

You are welcome, and ZOS offer me a job pls free win , Predicting the future! You are all welcome, who look at tooltip and have no idea, you just read and think omg I cant be OP with this, need buff PLOX. Tunnel vision noobs.

I would say stam sorc better then magicka. force pulse , crystal proc. overload? yeah you can overload as stamina too, did you know that ?

Dracane

Ahzek wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with you in the room is like trying to clap with one hand.

doable but very awkward?

Oh i just found out i can actually do it !

also:

Dracane wrote: »

What else do you want ? A spamable instant stamina class damage ability ?

yes please

Khalidor, you're interested in being a stamina Sorcerer ? Naughty cat
Magicka Sorcerer doesn't have an instant ability as well, that is on par with other spammable class or weapon abilities. How about that ? I'm sure we could arrange something with Crystal Blast. But first we have to fix Mage's Fury and make it become our desired ability.

Dracane

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Sorc passive: 5% reduce cost.
Sorc passive: x% weapon dmg of each sorc ability slotted.
Sorc passive: Reduce costs of ultimates (Flawless dawnbreaker 85 ult)
Bound aegis: 8% max stamina, I repeat EIGHT % MAX STAMINA !!!!!! + minor buff.
Thundering Precence: Major resolve and ward. Every buff stack with champion points and medium armor general buff 3/4th of heavy armor. Now that you cant blockcast as effective, you need to be more tanky anyway.
Crit surge: Making Sorc the only class that can go double bow for example without using pots.
Overload ult: scales with weapon dmg, combine with new items.
That pet ult thing, press x, get 25% increase dmg, new standard of might??

A different playstyle then a boring NB maybe, but common stop the raging before you actually have tried it, and if it dont suite your playstyle *** meta players then dont play it.

You are welcome, and ZOS offer me a job pls free win , Predicting the future! You are all welcome, who look at tooltip and have no idea, you just read and think omg I cant be OP with this, need buff PLOX. Tunnel vision noobs.

I would say stam sorc better then magicka. force pulse , crystal proc. overload? yeah you can overload as stamina too, did you know that ?

Great. Okay I can't agree on the Atronach thing. Nobody uses this synergy and it only affects the atronach and the player who activates it. Doesn't count, but the rest sounds legit

OrphanHelgen

Dracane wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Sorc passive: 5% reduce cost.
Sorc passive: x% weapon dmg of each sorc ability slotted.
Sorc passive: Reduce costs of ultimates (Flawless dawnbreaker 85 ult)
Bound aegis: 8% max stamina, I repeat EIGHT % MAX STAMINA !!!!!! + minor buff.
Thundering Precence: Major resolve and ward. Every buff stack with champion points and medium armor general buff 3/4th of heavy armor. Now that you cant blockcast as effective, you need to be more tanky anyway.
Crit surge: Making Sorc the only class that can go double bow for example without using pots.
Overload ult: scales with weapon dmg, combine with new items.
That pet ult thing, press x, get 25% increase dmg, new standard of might??

A different playstyle then a boring NB maybe, but common stop the raging before you actually have tried it, and if it dont suite your playstyle *** meta players then dont play it.

You are welcome, and ZOS offer me a job pls free win , Predicting the future! You are all welcome, who look at tooltip and have no idea, you just read and think omg I cant be OP with this, need buff PLOX. Tunnel vision noobs.

I would say stam sorc better then magicka. force pulse , crystal proc. overload? yeah you can overload as stamina too, did you know that ?

Great. Okay I can't agree on the Atronach thing. Nobody uses this synergy and it only affects the atronach and the player who activates it. Doesn't count, but the rest sounds legit

I agree, just had to put down points while I was at it.. I have to ask them personal to pls press my synergi

kkampaseb17_ESO

This is the first time since the start of the game that I am so disappointed since April 2014.
- No passives that were promised (biggest reason of my disappointment)
- No proper fix for Thundering Presence
- No secret aka stamina sorc spamable ability.

I really cannot express my disappointment

@ZOS_GinaBruno Anything to say on this?

Dracane

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Sorc passive: 5% reduce cost.
Sorc passive: x% weapon dmg of each sorc ability slotted.
Sorc passive: Reduce costs of ultimates (Flawless dawnbreaker 85 ult)
Bound aegis: 8% max stamina, I repeat EIGHT % MAX STAMINA !!!!!! + minor buff.
Thundering Precence: Major resolve and ward. Every buff stack with champion points and medium armor general buff 3/4th of heavy armor. Now that you cant blockcast as effective, you need to be more tanky anyway.
Crit surge: Making Sorc the only class that can go double bow for example without using pots.
Overload ult: scales with weapon dmg, combine with new items.
That pet ult thing, press x, get 25% increase dmg, new standard of might??

A different playstyle then a boring NB maybe, but common stop the raging before you actually have tried it, and if it dont suite your playstyle *** meta players then dont play it.

You are welcome, and ZOS offer me a job pls free win , Predicting the future! You are all welcome, who look at tooltip and have no idea, you just read and think omg I cant be OP with this, need buff PLOX. Tunnel vision noobs.

I would say stam sorc better then magicka. force pulse , crystal proc. overload? yeah you can overload as stamina too, did you know that ?

Great. Okay I can't agree on the Atronach thing. Nobody uses this synergy and it only affects the atronach and the player who activates it. Doesn't count, but the rest sounds legit

I agree, just had to put down points while I was at it.. I have to ask them personal to pls press my synergi

Haha that's how it's done.

And I wouldn't even bother telling my allies to activate it. If the buff would affect the Atronach for his entire duration, it would be worth it and I'd tell them to activate it for me. But it only lasts 8 seconds, that's not usefull in my opinion. Okay, he does 200 more damage per second for 8 seconds: What a killer

kkampaseb17_ESO

Dracane wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with you in the room is like trying to clap with one hand.

doable but very awkward?

Oh i just found out i can actually do it !

also:

Dracane wrote: »

What else do you want ? A spamable instant stamina class damage ability ?

yes please

Khalidor, you're interested in being a stamina Sorcerer ? Naughty cat
Magicka Sorcerer doesn't have an instant ability as well, that is on par with other spammable class or weapon abilities. How about that ? I'm sure we could arrange something with Crystal Blast. But first we have to fix Mage's Fury and make it become our desired ability.

Just a question. Do you want to show me what other class has a ranged high single target damage without casting time that they can spam? As a class ability.

Dyride

Sorc passive: x% weapon dmg of each sorc ability slotted.

They didn't give us this. If they do, 3% per ability would be so OP. Maybe 2% could work.

Sorc passive: Reduce costs of ultimates (Flawless dawnbreaker 85 ult)

Yeah, this is useful actually.

Bound aegis: 8% max stamina, I repeat EIGHT % MAX STAMINA !!!!!! + minor buff.

Minor Ward is so hilariously useless. The Heavy attack damage is ok if running a bow heavy attack build. Otherwise just a PVE DPS skill.

Thundering Precence: Major resolve and ward. Every buff stack with champion points and medium armor general buff 3/4th of heavy armor. Now that you cant blockcast as effective, you need to be more tanky anyway.

Armor is generally worthless in the current meta until they figure out Armor Penetration, which they seem unable to ever do.

Crit surge: Making Sorc the only class that can go double bow for example without using pots.

Double Bow? Crit surge so far is nigh useless for reliable heals since 1.6, and will be when you can't crit on shields or if your target is blocking.

That pet ult thing, press x, get 25% increase dmg, new standard of might??

ONLY WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACTIVATE THE SYNERGY! Lmao. The only thing the Atronach is useful for is LOS since they are easily stunned.

stop the raging before you actually have tried it, and if it dont suite your playstyle *** meta players then dont play it.

LOL you have probably never tried a stamina sorc, unlike most of the other players on this thread who have given multiple rounds of feedback since the start of the game.

Dracane

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with you in the room is like trying to clap with one hand.

doable but very awkward?

Oh i just found out i can actually do it !

also:

Dracane wrote: »

What else do you want ? A spamable instant stamina class damage ability ?

yes please

Khalidor, you're interested in being a stamina Sorcerer ? Naughty cat
Magicka Sorcerer doesn't have an instant ability as well, that is on par with other spammable class or weapon abilities. How about that ? I'm sure we could arrange something with Crystal Blast. But first we have to fix Mage's Fury and make it become our desired ability.

Just a question. Do you want to show me what other class has a ranged high single target damage without casting time that they can spam? As a class ability.

Okay, so you get Crystal Shard procs out of nowhere ? Sounds like cheating
Seriously, there is a chance for crystal shard to become an instant cast. But it's definately not spamable.

kkampaseb17_ESO

Dracane wrote: »

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

I think the whole system is just very poorly designed. You want stam sorc's more vailid? Take away some of possible builds for magica sorc. Thats just freaking weak.

I say, stop this insanity. This whole stamina Sorc thing is afflicting the Sorcerer community like a tumor since 6 months.
I'm so glad, Zenimax managed to keep the damage low so far by making intelligent tweaks. But the limit is pretty much reached and they can barely make changes without causing damage to what Sorcerer is meant to be, A FREAKING MAGE omg.

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with you in the room is like trying to clap with one hand.

doable but very awkward?

Oh i just found out i can actually do it !

also:

Dracane wrote: »

What else do you want ? A spamable instant stamina class damage ability ?

yes please

Khalidor, you're interested in being a stamina Sorcerer ? Naughty cat
Magicka Sorcerer doesn't have an instant ability as well, that is on par with other spammable class or weapon abilities. How about that ? I'm sure we could arrange something with Crystal Blast. But first we have to fix Mage's Fury and make it become our desired ability.

Just a question. Do you want to show me what other class has a ranged high single target damage without casting time that they can spam? As a class ability.

Okay, so you get Crystal Shard procs out of nowhere ? Sounds like cheating
Seriously, there is a chance for crystal shard to become an instant cast. But it's definately not spamable.

That is irrelevant. Have fun spaming Mage's Fury till it procs Crystal frags My question is pretty clear

One more thing. None said that a stamina morph of Crystal Blast should be instant cast AND ranged. If it was an instant cast 10m cone with some serious damage or melee it would benefit people far more.