Console text chat discussion II

AaronLannister

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hey man...the direction you guys are taking isn't working. I've tried to help you all understand this as well as inform others of what has occurred from similar methods and the feedback from ZOs on ESO Live to those methods.

You're not the developer and you don't speak for ZoS

Do as you please but it's not that I don't understand.
Let go of the thought that you're compromising with me because to be honest I have no desires to see the feature at all.

...

As a forum member I'm only helping other forum member communicate to Zenimax in a better way. It's clear that you and many others in this topic do not want nor are open to the feedback of others even if they too want the feature added.

you really aren't.

Best of luck on your endeavors...but this isn't progress it's just stubbornness and threads full of complaints and insults towards me and even ZOS

They aren't insults, they're criticisms.

TequilaFire

Lost cause.

Observation:

On one hand we have PC with text chat that has to use third party for voice and on the other hand we have console that has voice chat that could use a third party for text chat.

AaronLannister

TequilaFire wrote: »

Lost cause.

nah.

On one hand we have PC with text chat that has to use third party for voice and on the other hand we have console that has voice chat that could use a third party for text chat.

The problem being on PC there's easy access to even Third Party chat on the PC without ever leaving the game.

The Third Party Voice Chat is similar to PS4 anyways but handled better on PC.

Dahkoht

Aaron just ignore the troll and advise everyone else to. It's his goal to bait you and everyone else. He nothing more than another poster who tries to act important.

NewBlacksmurf

AaronLannister wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Lost cause.

nah.

On one hand we have PC with text chat that has to use third party for voice and on the other hand we have console that has voice chat that could use a third party for text chat.

The problem being on PC there's easy access to even Third Party chat on the PC without ever leaving the game.

The Third Party Voice Chat is similar to PS4 anyways but handled better on PC.

So where this is going is...it doesn't make sense for console.
That's what everyone has been saying to you and others all along.

If Zenimax doesn't want it on the console screen in a text chat box then...that's that.
If those who want text chat do not want it any other way than what's on PC.... (Directed at you only)
And there are those who are open to different options...(but you've shunned them by saying so it the way I want or else)

The topic tends to go to...what are you expecting to gain from this discussion?
There is no need for a company to respond to a topic they've already responded to....

Are you sure you're following all of this?
Don't take it personal, look at it objectively...does your plan make a reasonable cause for a corporation to draft and later present another response?

AaronLannister

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So where this is going is...it doesn't make sense for console.
That's what everyone has been saying to you and others all along.

A complete lie, we've proven time and time again that it does make sense on consoles.

If Zenimax doesn't want it on the console screen in a text chat box then...that's that.
If those who want text chat do not want it any other way than what's on PC.... (Directed at you only)
And there are those who are open to different options...(but you've shunned them by saying so it the way I want or else)

Different options = compromise which isn't the point.

The topic tends to go to...what are you expecting to gain from this discussion?
There is no need for a company to respond to a topic they've already responded to....

They haven't responded to it at all just ignored it.

NewBlacksmurf

AaronLannister wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So where this is going is...it doesn't make sense for console.
That's what everyone has been saying to you and others all along.

A complete lie, we've proven time and time again that it does make sense on consoles.

If Zenimax doesn't want it on the console screen in a text chat box then...that's that.
If those who want text chat do not want it any other way than what's on PC.... (Directed at you only)
And there are those who are open to different options...(but you've shunned them by saying so it the way I want or else)

Different options = compromise which isn't the point.

The topic tends to go to...what are you expecting to gain from this discussion?
There is no need for a company to respond to a topic they've already responded to....

They haven't responded to it at all just ignored it.

Good luck man...you're not being ignored...

AaronLannister

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

AaronLannister wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So where this is going is...it doesn't make sense for console.
That's what everyone has been saying to you and others all along.

A complete lie, we've proven time and time again that it does make sense on consoles.

If Zenimax doesn't want it on the console screen in a text chat box then...that's that.
If those who want text chat do not want it any other way than what's on PC.... (Directed at you only)
And there are those who are open to different options...(but you've shunned them by saying so it the way I want or else)

Different options = compromise which isn't the point.

The topic tends to go to...what are you expecting to gain from this discussion?
There is no need for a company to respond to a topic they've already responded to....

They haven't responded to it at all just ignored it.

Good luck man...you're not being ignored...

lol the sarcasm.

NewBlacksmurf

AaronLannister wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

AaronLannister wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So where this is going is...it doesn't make sense for console.
That's what everyone has been saying to you and others all along.

A complete lie, we've proven time and time again that it does make sense on consoles.

If Zenimax doesn't want it on the console screen in a text chat box then...that's that.
If those who want text chat do not want it any other way than what's on PC.... (Directed at you only)
And there are those who are open to different options...(but you've shunned them by saying so it the way I want or else)

Different options = compromise which isn't the point.

The topic tends to go to...what are you expecting to gain from this discussion?
There is no need for a company to respond to a topic they've already responded to....

They haven't responded to it at all just ignored it.

Good luck man...you're not being ignored...

lol the sarcasm.

It's not sarcasm and these discussion threads for some aren't a place to joke around but to actually have meaningful discussions. I don't know where you stand but make sure Zenimax can take your comments as intended whether it's joking or being serious.

Hostyle34

Needs it plain and simple.

Eriquito3

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

AaronLannister wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I thought by trying to ask a broad question but as anyone can provide one or two examples of anything the comments go back to arguments and ppl trying to defend their position and opinions.

because you're obviously not understanding them.

On the other side I could show you where each time I go to major cities there are seemingly 50-100 people talking using voice chat to trade, LFG, meet ppl, role play but none of that helps the discussion.

Cool you're point? Text Chat + Voice Chat is still better.

It's not about why any person wants it or a need for anyone to provide examples of why it should or should not be added.

yes it is.

It's all about coming up with ideas that allow Zenimax to give you the feature without compromising what's been decided upon already. How can this be added in a way that fits the current mold without taking away or disrupting anything that already exists.

Compromising? The game is already compromised because they felt Console Gamers were lazy.

It won't disrupt anything, again PC users don't feel this way. Imagine if they took Text chat and Mods away in the PC version Deltia and all the pro gamers will have a field day.

Hey man...the direction you guys are taking isn't working. I've tried to help you all understand this as well as inform others of what has occurred from similar methods and the feedback from ZOs on ESO Live to those methods.

Do as you please but it's not that I don't understand.
Let go of the thought that you're compromising with me because to be honest I have no desires to see the feature at all.

As a forum member I'm only helping other forum member communicate to Zenimax in a better way. It's clear that you and many others in this topic do not want nor are open to the feedback of others even if they too want the feature added.

Best of luck on your endeavors...but this isn't progress it's just stubbornness and threads full of complaints and insults towards me and even ZOS

Everyone needs to stop replying to this guy. He is the main reason the other thread got closed and I guarantee if you guys keep responding to him this one will close too.

He will ignore all your valid points and always tr

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

AaronLannister wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I thought by trying to ask a broad question but as anyone can provide one or two examples of anything the comments go back to arguments and ppl trying to defend their position and opinions.

because you're obviously not understanding them.

On the other side I could show you where each time I go to major cities there are seemingly 50-100 people talking using voice chat to trade, LFG, meet ppl, role play but none of that helps the discussion.

Cool you're point? Text Chat + Voice Chat is still better.

It's not about why any person wants it or a need for anyone to provide examples of why it should or should not be added.

yes it is.

It's all about coming up with ideas that allow Zenimax to give you the feature without compromising what's been decided upon already. How can this be added in a way that fits the current mold without taking away or disrupting anything that already exists.

Compromising? The game is already compromised because they felt Console Gamers were lazy.

It won't disrupt anything, again PC users don't feel this way. Imagine if they took Text chat and Mods away in the PC version Deltia and all the pro gamers will have a field day.

Hey man...the direction you guys are taking isn't working. I've tried to help you all understand this as well as inform others of what has occurred from similar methods and the feedback from ZOs on ESO Live to those methods.

Do as you please but it's not that I don't understand.
Let go of the thought that you're compromising with me because to be honest I have no desires to see the feature at all.

As a forum member I'm only helping other forum member communicate to Zenimax in a better way. It's clear that you and many others in this topic do not want nor are open to the feedback of others even if they too want the feature added.

Best of luck on your endeavors...but this isn't progress it's just stubbornness and threads full of complaints and insults towards me and even ZOS

Everyone needs to stop replying to this guy. He derailed the last thread and was the main reason it got closed. If you Conine to respond to him this thread will too be closed.

He will ignore all of your valid points and will not add to the discussions credibility. There is no reason to reply him. We need to continue to bring awareness to the devs of the dire necessity of text chat and the overwhelming support of this notion from the community. Let's stop letting people derail these topics.

Kleptobrainiac

1. Nobody is on voice chat.

2. It's difficult to speak in voice chat because everyone is talking over eachother.

Can these problems coexist? It's as if both of these problems are in direct opposition of the other's existence...

It's almost as if these complaints are being hugely exaggerated to advance an agenda...

Dun dun daaaaaaaaa!

cerrudo33

Here's the biggest issue and why there is a major disjoint between the console community and the PC community...

PC has generally used programs like teamspeak, vent, etc. so the norm for PC developed games is to have a well developed text chat and third party the voice chat...

The problem a lot of the console community is having is the lack of what became for most of us, an integral communication tool which is text chat. Couple of points to raise, text chat reaches unlimited people depending on settings and other restrictions (meaning your entire guild, area chat, trade, etc) but the areas could be ignored and you still have sound and general focus on the game itself.

The current roll out of voice chat is a well functioning equivalent of vent/teamspeak but doesn't allow for much customization, segregation, etc. all the shortcomings of text was offset on PC by addons and third party programs so the community there filled the shortcomings of the game because they CAN and have the OPTION to. Console has no addons, no options, and no broad chat function being text.

Tldr: text has always been used for broad chat, voice for direct/concise communication. We, the console community, can not fix the shortcomings of the game so we are forced to ask the developers to give us the OPTION to use or not use these features. All in all this should and needs to be added in, among other things

Milktray

Eriquito3 wrote: »

jcodbf2b14_ESO wrote: »

The only time I miss text chat on PS4 is when a handful of us are defending a keep and no one shows up to help because people dont know. If we could somehow broadcast over Cyrodil for defense / attack that would fix it.. Other than that I am finding it hard to see how global / zone text chat helps anything more than simple chat bubbles.

Text Chat will help with guild recruitment, selling and buying items, grouping up for delvs, dungeons, and other pve group related content. It will make it easier for making pvp groups as well.

All pretty big issues atm

See thats weird as on xbox i hear ppl in Area helping each other, build advice, selling

Eriquito3

Milktray wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

jcodbf2b14_ESO wrote: »

The only time I miss text chat on PS4 is when a handful of us are defending a keep and no one shows up to help because people dont know. If we could somehow broadcast over Cyrodil for defense / attack that would fix it.. Other than that I am finding it hard to see how global / zone text chat helps anything more than simple chat bubbles.

Text Chat will help with guild recruitment, selling and buying items, grouping up for delvs, dungeons, and other pve group related content. It will make it easier for making pvp groups as well.

All pretty big issues atm

See thats weird as on xbox i hear ppl in Area helping each other, build advice, selling

Never said that grouping, selling and helping isn't happening. What I am saying is that text chat would make those thing much easier to do.

AaronLannister

Milktray wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

jcodbf2b14_ESO wrote: »

The only time I miss text chat on PS4 is when a handful of us are defending a keep and no one shows up to help because people dont know. If we could somehow broadcast over Cyrodil for defense / attack that would fix it.. Other than that I am finding it hard to see how global / zone text chat helps anything more than simple chat bubbles.

Text Chat will help with guild recruitment, selling and buying items, grouping up for delvs, dungeons, and other pve group related content. It will make it easier for making pvp groups as well.

All pretty big issues atm

See thats weird as on xbox i hear ppl in Area helping each other, build advice, selling

missing the point as usual. Text Chat will help, with those, all those are possible with VOIP but Text Chat will also help greatly.

AaronLannister

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

1. Nobody is on voice chat.

in some areas nobody is. VOIP area makes things worst.

2. It's difficult to speak in voice chat because everyone is talking over eachother.

Yes it happens all the time

Can these problems coexist? It's as if both of these problems are in direct opposition of the other's existence...

It's almost as if these complaints are being hugely exaggerated to advance an agenda...

Hugely exaggerated they are not, and logically yes. Those two can exist as some areas are desolate and VOIP is area only therefore you'll feel alone. In popular towns people will be talking over each other.

Enteum

I play on PC. But I know where you guys are coming from. No text chat is seriously hindering me from purchasing the console version, so I can play with my cousin. Between us we could text chat through our phones. But still, I can't imagine why it hasn't been implemented.

What I don't want when coming home from a long day at work is listening to kids screaming, and general racial abuse over headphones, as I read is happening. I'd like to chill and play, and read what people are selling/buying.

I agree that text chat is something every mmo should have.

Eriquito3

Enteum wrote: »

I play on PC. But I know where you guys are coming from. No text chat is seriously hindering me from purchasing the console version, so I can play with my cousin. Between us we could text chat through our phones. But still, I can't imagine why it hasn't been implemented.

What I don't want when coming home from a long day at work is listening to kids screaming, and general racial abuse over headphones, as I read is happening. I'd like to chill and play, and read what people are selling/buying.

I agree that text chat is something every mmo should have.

Yeah its a huge issue, the other day I wentered into a city to sell some items to NPC and work on my crafting. There had to be close to 20 people talking at once , which I can deal with most of the time but then there was one person just screaming "Ni**ers! You all are a bunch of Ni**ers!" And was just repeating that over and over, and I could not figure out who was saying that, so I eventually just muted my TV.

This type of obnoxious crap always happens.

Ace_of_Destiny

Text chat isn't a "PC Thing".
Text chat is an "MMO Thing".

Milktray

AaronLannister wrote: »

Milktray wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

jcodbf2b14_ESO wrote: »

The only time I miss text chat on PS4 is when a handful of us are defending a keep and no one shows up to help because people dont know. If we could somehow broadcast over Cyrodil for defense / attack that would fix it.. Other than that I am finding it hard to see how global / zone text chat helps anything more than simple chat bubbles.

Text Chat will help with guild recruitment, selling and buying items, grouping up for delvs, dungeons, and other pve group related content. It will make it easier for making pvp groups as well.

All pretty big issues atm

See thats weird as on xbox i hear ppl in Area helping each other, build advice, selling

missing the point as usual. Text Chat will help, with those, all those are possible with VOIP but Text Chat will also help greatly.

All i put was that it was odd as I don't get the Area chat issues some do ..

I never even mentioned text, or said yay or nay to it

And I wasn't even answering you, i was replying to Eriquito3

Nergie4242

Eriquito3 wrote: »

Enteum wrote: »

I play on PC. But I know where you guys are coming from. No text chat is seriously hindering me from purchasing the console version, so I can play with my cousin. Between us we could text chat through our phones. But still, I can't imagine why it hasn't been implemented.

What I don't want when coming home from a long day at work is listening to kids screaming, and general racial abuse over headphones, as I read is happening. I'd like to chill and play, and read what people are selling/buying.

I agree that text chat is something every mmo should have.

Yeah its a huge issue, the other day I wentered into a city to sell some items to NPC and work on my crafting. There had to be close to 20 people talking at once , which I can deal with most of the time but then there was one person just screaming "Ni**ers! You all are a bunch of Ni**ers!" And was just repeating that over and over, and I could not figure out who was saying that, so I eventually just muted my TV.

This type of obnoxious crap always happens.

And if that happened on text chat it could be logged, reported and the person(s) banned. Voice only, it just drifts away into the wind and the racists are free to do it again and again and again.

bareheiny

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sees-All-Colors wrote: »

I've been thinking constantly how much this game needs text chat. Next to nobody is willing to voice chat in the game and it makes it pretty much impossible to group up with people in cities or to make new friends.

If they are choosing not to voice chat, why do you feel they would text chat?

Just curious

Personally, I find it easier to use type than speech in-game....mostly due to the fact that I play when the family has gone to bed, and I don't want to wake wife or baby.

Plus typing gives me a few more seconds to prevent me from putting my foot in my mouth.

Eriquito3

AaronLannister wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

Enteum wrote: »

I play on PC. But I know where you guys are coming from. No text chat is seriously hindering me from purchasing the console version, so I can play with my cousin. Between us we could text chat through our phones. But still, I can't imagine why it hasn't been implemented.

What I don't want when coming home from a long day at work is listening to kids screaming, and general racial abuse over headphones, as I read is happening. I'd like to chill and play, and read what people are selling/buying.

I agree that text chat is something every mmo should have.

Yeah its a huge issue, the other day I wentered into a city to sell some items to NPC and work on my crafting. There had to be close to 20 people talking at once , which I can deal with most of the time but then there was one person just screaming "Ni**ers! You all are a bunch of Ni**ers!" And was just repeating that over and over, and I could not figure out who was saying that, so I eventually just muted my TV.

This type of obnoxious crap always happens.

And if that happened on text chat it could be logged, reported and the person(s) banned. Voice only, it just drifts away into the wind and the racists are free to do it again and again and again.

Nah we know the real issue ZoS is too cheap to hire moderators in the console versions of the game.

Lol I hope that is not the reason they decided to not add text chat.

Olympios

Even Deltia stated text chat is important for console version, and many ESO console reviewers said the same.

The last poll also indicates the community wants the feature, can we at a least get a official response from Zenimax?

AaronLannister

Olympios wrote: »

Even Deltia stated text chat is important for console version, and many ESO console reviewers said the same.

The last poll also indicates the community wants the feature, can we at a least get a official response from Zenimax?

WellJustSayin

What I wrote in the other discussion, not sure if that thread is dead or not. I had to necro it from 3rd page.


I think guild based text chat window(would serve as a chat room under social within guild tab) chat bubbles and PM system(able to target a player, click message, and have a chat box pop up for instant messaging) would be a sweet compromise for both sides of the argument as none of what I mention would effect another player's screen, except for chat bubbles which isnt a big deal.

Edit: Along with a functional group finder, the ability to add custom phrases to quick chat wheel and I think it would greatly improve the game

AaronLannister

WellJustSayin wrote: »

What I wrote in the other discussion, not sure if that thread is dead or not. I had to necro it from 3rd page.


I think guild based text chat window(would serve as a chat room under social within guild tab) chat bubbles and PM system(able to target a player, click message, and have a chat box pop up for instant messaging) would be a sweet compromise for both sides of the argument as none of what I mention would effect another player's screen, except for chat bubbles which isnt a big deal.

it should be exactly like the PC version, there's no clutter. The people who claim that are just lying.

NewBlacksmurf

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sees-All-Colors wrote: »

I've been thinking constantly how much this game needs text chat. Next to nobody is willing to voice chat in the game and it makes it pretty much impossible to group up with people in cities or to make new friends.

If they are choosing not to voice chat, why do you feel they would text chat?

Just curious

Personally, I find it easier to use type than speech in-game....mostly due to the fact that I play when the family has gone to bed, and I don't want to wake wife or baby.

Plus typing gives me a few more seconds to prevent me from putting my foot in my mouth.

Gotcha...
If I can, my experience differs from yours regarding voice chat on Xbox one.

AaronLannister

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sees-All-Colors wrote: »

I've been thinking constantly how much this game needs text chat. Next to nobody is willing to voice chat in the game and it makes it pretty much impossible to group up with people in cities or to make new friends.

If they are choosing not to voice chat, why do you feel they would text chat?

Just curious

Personally, I find it easier to use type than speech in-game....mostly due to the fact that I play when the family has gone to bed, and I don't want to wake wife or baby.

Plus typing gives me a few more seconds to prevent me from putting my foot in my mouth.

Gotcha...
If I can, my experience differs from yours regarding voice chat on Xbox one.

And that's the problem with this game, Text Chat solves those issues that don't plague other MMO's. Text Chat is important for an MMO especially when it's a game you need to play HOURS a day to progress.