The way these Tel Var Stones are going to work sounds terrible...

Elitetownie

Psychobunni wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

This is going to be so much fun for the wolves! I can almost taste the tears. The most fun part of all this is going to be when pvers start calling in friends for back up and then they too get owned by smaller more organized groups of pvp players.

"Why did i just get killed? You mean the enemy doesnt do the exact same thing every time i fight them? They have a brain? IM QUITING!

Do you really believe many PVE'ers are even going to buy it if the loss % is too high? With some stating right off they won't just because of loot. I don't think the "wolves" are going to have as much easy pickings as you are thinking PTS will tell the tale

They will buy it and then complain. Or maybe they wont buy it and complain. Either way they will complain and if they do the former it will be a lot of fun for folks who embrace pvp and competitive interaction. Who knows some pvers might even learn to embrace pvp and enjoy it. Everyone starts off as a pver and many eventually remove the training wheels.

Rinmaethodain

Elitetownie wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

This is going to be so much fun for the wolves! I can almost taste the tears. The most fun part of all this is going to be when pvers start calling in friends for back up and then they too get owned by smaller more organized groups of pvp players.

"Why did i just get killed? You mean the enemy doesnt do the exact same thing every time i fight them? They have a brain? IM QUITING!

Do you really believe many PVE'ers are even going to buy it if the loss % is too high? With some stating right off they won't just because of loot. I don't think the "wolves" are going to have as much easy pickings as you are thinking PTS will tell the tale

They will buy it and then complain. Or maybe they wont buy it and complain. Either way they will complain and if they do the former it will be a lot of fun for folks who embrace pvp and competitive interaction. Who knows some pvers might even learn to embrace pvp and enjoy it. Everyone starts off as a pver and many eventually remove the training wheels.

Remove training wheels? Rather wear up "***" hat and start gaining joy in others misfortune

Elitetownie

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

This is going to be so much fun for the wolves! I can almost taste the tears. The most fun part of all this is going to be when pvers start calling in friends for back up and then they too get owned by smaller more organized groups of pvp players.

"Why did i just get killed? You mean the enemy doesnt do the exact same thing every time i fight them? They have a brain? IM QUITING!

Do you really believe many PVE'ers are even going to buy it if the loss % is too high? With some stating right off they won't just because of loot. I don't think the "wolves" are going to have as much easy pickings as you are thinking PTS will tell the tale

They will buy it and then complain. Or maybe they wont buy it and complain. Either way they will complain and if they do the former it will be a lot of fun for folks who embrace pvp and competitive interaction. Who knows some pvers might even learn to embrace pvp and enjoy it. Everyone starts off as a pver and many eventually remove the training wheels.

Remove training wheels? Rather wear up "***" hat and start gaining joy in others misfortune

The world is a scary place. Just sit inside and avoid all diversity.

Paulhewhewria

I hate to be that guy,but all this crap started just because they mixed pvp and pve. While I feel the pvpers' are deserved their due since pve players got craglorn I think the lack a content has hurt both sides. Let me clearly say I'm both pve and pvp,but lean pve most of the time. I think the tel var stone is of a gray area personally I don't like the idea.

TheBull

Look you whiners have already delayed the PvP portion of the justice system. LEAVE Cyrodiil alone!

Paulhewhewria

Eh I'm all the way with you on the PvP portion of the justice system.,but calling people whiners wins nothing there are whiners on both sides I've seen them all.Hell I've been both LOL

SeptimusDova

This thread has gone sideways post haste. When it arrives on PTS, I encourage everyone to download the PTS set up a VR14 toon of your favorite flavor. Dump all 3600 champion points into the wheel and give it a spin. At least on the PTS everyone will be equal in terms of CP.

Haderus has openings on the PTS right now . Get in there and get involved. That way when the IC DLC does launch you know the terrain the grounds around it and the interior layout. Forewarned is forearmed.

Not only will this help zenimax. It will help you make an informed decision on the DLC to try or not. To buy or Not.

Psychobunni

Elitetownie wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

Elitetownie wrote: »

This is going to be so much fun for the wolves! I can almost taste the tears. The most fun part of all this is going to be when pvers start calling in friends for back up and then they too get owned by smaller more organized groups of pvp players.

"Why did i just get killed? You mean the enemy doesnt do the exact same thing every time i fight them? They have a brain? IM QUITING!

Do you really believe many PVE'ers are even going to buy it if the loss % is too high? With some stating right off they won't just because of loot. I don't think the "wolves" are going to have as much easy pickings as you are thinking PTS will tell the tale

They will buy it and then complain. Or maybe they wont buy it and complain. Either way they will complain and if they do the former it will be a lot of fun for folks who embrace pvp and competitive interaction. Who knows some pvers might even learn to embrace pvp and enjoy it. Everyone starts off as a pver and many eventually remove the training wheels.

Training wheels? lol. Maybe because I'm female I've never felt like I needed to go kill other players to feel ....special. I can't really explain what I'm lacking on this* forum

I've been dipping into PVP lately for lack of anything new to do, but it's just for something "different". Glory for the pact, or swelling from pwnage, or any of the rest of it doesn't cross into my reasons to PVP.

Rinmaethodain

ZOS just confirmed in eso live that you will lose 100% OF STONES , all your stones when you get ganked by some *** pvper.

Not to mention the map of IC looked so small that it will take like 3 mins for a zerg train to run around spamming all IC entrances and killing anyone who want to exit it or enter it.

Ackwalan

Tal Var stones = griefers candy.

technohic

MaximusDargus wrote: »

ZOS just confirmed in eso live that you will lose 100% OF STONES , all your stones when you get ganked by some *** pvper.

Not to mention the map of IC looked so small that it will take like 3 mins for a zerg train to run around spamming all IC entrances and killing anyone who want to exit it or enter it.

They also just said there will be daily quest rewards where you get a box of TV stones that cannot be looted off you until you open them and you can open them in the safe zones (which is anywhere other than in the sewers and city. )

drzycki_ESO

It's Darkness Falls! I am super excited about it!

DDuke

Let's all keep in mind that this is a PvP area and this is a unique new mechanic bringing something new to the game.

If you do not want to participate in PvP content, then you can do the group dungeons coming with the patch, or wait for another PvE centric patch.

Besides, you can still earn those stones in a safe way by doing dailies.

Alphashado

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

I appreciate and understand all the concern. But why don't we just wait till the PTS launches and check it out for ourselves before we pull the fire alarm?

I remember when the patch notes for 1.6 hit. People were freaking out about various things like DPS nerfs and changes to set bonus's. All that hysteria seems a little foolish now.

I suggest we hold off on the panic button until we actually see for ourselves what its like.

How likely is ZOS to pull the Looting of TV Stones by the time its in PTS? They more then likely wont at that point since its so close release.

This doesnt need testing to know that its been done before and its failed before. There is no room for a harassment mechanism in this game.

Harassment mechanism? Really? If you step into a PvP zone and *gasp* end up doing PvP, that would be outlandish, brutish behavior! The way you describe it is like suggesting a boxer file personal assault charges on the other boxer.

Really you guys are absolutely freaking out about something that hasn't even hit the PTS yet. This is exactly like the mass hysteria and the rage stampede that happened right before 1.6 and that all ended up just fine. up until that point I had never seen so many angry threads on every forum. People swore they were done with ESO because their characters were ruined. They swore the game was doomed because of the bigger numbers. They swore the game would be a wasteland because crit was removed from set pieces.

...... Yet here we are and everything worked out just fine. In hindsight, all that rage, doom and gloom turned out to be silly..

There is absolutely no reasonable point in going into a mob frenzy like a bunch of blood sniffing rabid wolves over something that is still based on a lot of speculation. How hard is it to get to the bank with stones in your pocket? Is it easy? Where exactly can you be ganked? Where exactly are the safe zones and how easy are they to get to? Lets get some answers to these basic questions before we pick up the red phone.

SLy_Kyti

Lot's of angst for a mechanic we haven't even tried yet.
Let's get in the PTS when available and check it out before complaining. Or speculating on complaining.

Tankqull

Sithisvoid wrote: »

It sounds awesome as an optional PVP mode maybe with increased stone gains, but there really needs to be a choice where you can farm them safely.

no, but depending on loss limits the amount of lost stones can be restricted because in the end it is not a PVE zone only a PvP zone that offers additional PvE.

F7sus4

Wizzo91 wrote: »

I hate how people want everything handed to them, without working for it...

This is exactly what will gankers do. PvEs work, gankers take.
Earned ≠ robbed.

(not a complaint really, just pointing a logical issue)

Endenium

Tel Var Stones are going to ruin the damn game. Cancelling my sub and buying FF14 immediately.

Endenium

Gold is useless now. V14 gear is useless now. PVE outside of Cyrodildo is useless now. So what the hell is the point again?

Endenium

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Why not make it a toggle? If you turn it on you can loot others and be looted, if you turn it off you cannot loot others and cannot be looted.

That way everyone can be happy.

If you argue that you want to be able to loot people who are not interested in that kind of risk vs reward gameplay then it just show that you are the kind of gamer that get your kick from annoying other players....

Because people will toggle on to gank and toggle off to run to the bank. It would need to be a more permanent toggle switch, something that has to be decided upon porting to Cyrodildo or something. Or inbetween campaigns.

Aeladiir

It actually sounds friggin' great. I love the idea behind TVS.

Etharian

QueenAyrenn wrote: »

Sounds interesting for top-tier PvPers... but like a game-breaker for the lower levels. Maybe when it's released, the majority of people will love it, but it sure doesn't sound like that's going to be the case. It'd be nice for some more detailed information on this.

umm m ore information? go watch eso live 22 , it explains EVERYTHING in detail. dont be lazy

Etharian

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Why not make it a toggle? If you turn it on you can loot others and be looted, if you turn it off you cannot loot others and cannot be looted.

That way everyone can be happy.

If you argue that you want to be able to loot people who are not interested in that kind of risk vs reward gameplay then it just show that you are the kind of gamer that get your kick from annoying other players....

LMAO ?? what.. so what risk would there be when everyone turns it off? cause thats what would happen. Sorry but that is a horrible suggestion

Etharian

KerinKor wrote: »

Dionysusjones wrote: »

This community is way too carebear for this to actually stay implemented. The tears will be at flood levels within the first week and a full reversal will be at hand. I think the idea sounds fantastic as it means more reasons to pvp and makes death meaningful. However those of us that see the good in this mechanic are seemingly the minority and we will be outforumed.

There's a reason no new MMO in years has had such a mechanic and why this will utterly fail at what ZOS seem to be inflicting on the game to achieve.

nah we are pretty safe, and i honeslt think it should and will go through since ERIC wrobel and the other PVP guy really like it. Will there be tears? yes.... but what game does not have tears over a release of something they do not particularly like?

Etharian

Rosveen wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

I think the system sound awesome and interesting. Finally a real consequence for deaths in PVP. Battles and fights will get more tense and exiting.

I hate how people want everything handed to them, without working for it...

Ha. So sitting on top of a rock twiddling your thumbs for an hour, bursting down an unsuspecting passerby in a couple seconds is "working for it" - but doing quests and fighting monsters for five hours is "wanting to have everything handed to me"? You're funny.

He spent an hour stalking his opponent.. so yes he did EARN it by using his time wisely. Stop trying to scew situations with your opinion cause thats what it is. You're Funny

Rinmaethodain

Etharian wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

I think the system sound awesome and interesting. Finally a real consequence for deaths in PVP. Battles and fights will get more tense and exiting.

I hate how people want everything handed to them, without working for it...

Ha. So sitting on top of a rock twiddling your thumbs for an hour, bursting down an unsuspecting passerby in a couple seconds is "working for it" - but doing quests and fighting monsters for five hours is "wanting to have everything handed to me"? You're funny.

He spent an hour stalking his opponent.. so yes he did EARN it by using his time wisely. Stop trying to scew situations with your opinion cause thats what it is. You're Funny

Disagree

Etharian

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

I think the system sound awesome and interesting. Finally a real consequence for deaths in PVP. Battles and fights will get more tense and exiting.

I hate how people want everything handed to them, without working for it...

Wow. handed to them without working for it?

How does spending 3 hours in dungeon farming stones is "not working for it at all".

And then tell me, how is ganking someone to kill him from hidden position in 3 seconds and stealing all his work "working" at all?

Exciting? This will encourage gankers to leech and be parasites to other peoples work. On the contrary, it will discourage hard work because why bother farming dungeons if you can just hide somewhere, dont do ANY WORK and just wait for passer by, kill him and take his stones?

Unless you plan on soloing Bosses wich you probably cant, you will have multiple ppl with you to help defend, that makes for exciting PVP .. Thats why its called RISK vs REWARD, you want free stuff? go do your PLEDGES.

Remember fellas PVP DLC, there needs to be RISK!

Merlin13KAGL

Etharian wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Why not make it a toggle? If you turn it on you can loot others and be looted, if you turn it off you cannot loot others and cannot be looted.

That way everyone can be happy.

If you argue that you want to be able to loot people who are not interested in that kind of risk vs reward gameplay then it just show that you are the kind of gamer that get your kick from annoying other players....

LMAO ?? what.. so what risk point would there be when everyone turns it off? cause thats what would happen. Sorry but that is a horrible suggestion

Minor correction...

People speak of this as if there is only one entrance and one exit to the place the stones reside.

They speak as if there is no bank access in IC ( the stones never need to leave IC, as that's the only place they can be used.)

They speak as if there is no safe way to get the stones to a safe place - no PvPer's on your alliance side will be attacking the gankers on the enemy side for AP, of course.

It's gonna be on the PTS for a month. Download it. Play it. Give feedback.

You lose nothing in (live) game. You don't even burn your (live) crowns. (or possibly any crowns, as it may be automatically unlocked on PTS)

Beyond that, worst case scenario is that anti PvP people stay anti PvP people.

There's an incredible amount of *Holy **** before the thing has even been implemented.

Some people are not going to like the mechanic, whatever it is.

Will there be ways to make it work? Of course there will!

Will it necessarily be the "Play the way you want" method? Probably not.

Cously

My only concern was because they avoided disclosing the price in Stones...for stuff. They looked really uncomfortable at the question too...why is that? I have a bad feeling...

SeptimusDova

What about the Lag and unresponsiveness to Cyrodiil.? whens that going to get fixed?