Visualization of the Pantheon of the Elder Scrolls - FINAL VERSION UPLOADED! :D

Gidorick · July 2015

Awesome @Rosveen! Pelinal Whitestrake is an interesting character.

So we have this info about him and the Ada,

They are physically ON Nirn.
They are mortal, for they die.
They have the power to shape Mundus.

Those are all qualities of Ehlnofey. I think I'll add the descriptor of Ada next to the Earth Bones.

I think I'm going to add a list of the Ehlnofey under them like I have the Aedra and Daedra... since they ARE considered gods. That would allow me to account for gods that aren't Aedra or Daedra.

Snowstrider · July 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Snowstrider wrote: »

This is pretty but a bit inaccurate

That's why I posted it. To get opinions on how it should be grown and changed. How is it inaccurate @Snowstrider?

Should be more like this, http://i.imgur.com/EkWIc3w.jpg And dont get me wrong the picture is beautiful

Gidorick · July 2015

New question. It seems

Snowstrider wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Snowstrider wrote: »

This is pretty but a bit inaccurate

That's why I posted it. To get opinions on how it should be grown and changed. How is it inaccurate @Snowstrider?

Should be more like this, http://i.imgur.com/EkWIc3w.jpg And dont get me wrong the picture is beautiful

Awesome! Thanks @Snowstrider. That looks like a later version of the one posted by @Throren.

I disagree that the Bosmer and Khakiit came from the et`Ada. I don't agree that the Wanderers were homogeneous enough to be consisted their own people but I do need to add the Nedes. And I'm not including dead lineages or those we have NO origin of.

I'm thinking I need to add the Falmer and Dwemer because the Dwemer were the reason the Falmer became what they are today.

Snowstrider · July 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

New question. It seems

Snowstrider wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Snowstrider wrote: »

This is pretty but a bit inaccurate

That's why I posted it. To get opinions on how it should be grown and changed. How is it inaccurate @Snowstrider?

Should be more like this, http://i.imgur.com/EkWIc3w.jpg And dont get me wrong the picture is beautiful

Awesome! Thanks @Snowstrider. That looks like a later version of the one posted by @Throren.

I disagree that the Bosmer and Khakiit came from the et`Ada. I don't agree that the Wanderers were homogeneous enough to be consisted their own people but I do need to add the Nedes. And I'm not including dead lineages or those we have NO origin of.

I'm thinking I need to add the Falmer and Dwemer because Ryde Dwemer were the reason the Falmer became what they are today.

Well,Men arent descendend from aldmer,At least what i know of.
And i guess this is about peoples different opinions

Do whatever you want

Gidorick · July 2015

Snowstrider wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

New question. It seems

Snowstrider wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Snowstrider wrote: »

This is pretty but a bit inaccurate

That's why I posted it. To get opinions on how it should be grown and changed. How is it inaccurate @Snowstrider?

Should be more like this, http://i.imgur.com/EkWIc3w.jpg And dont get me wrong the picture is beautiful

Awesome! Thanks @Snowstrider. That looks like a later version of the one posted by @Throren.

I disagree that the Bosmer and Khakiit came from the et`Ada. I don't agree that the Wanderers were homogeneous enough to be consisted their own people but I do need to add the Nedes. And I'm not including dead lineages or those we have NO origin of.

I'm thinking I need to add the Falmer and Dwemer because Ryde Dwemer were the reason the Falmer became what they are today.

Well,Men arent descendend from aldmer,At least what i know of.
And i guess this is about peoples different opinions Do whatever you want

Yea. My first version had men from aldmer. The newest revision that's displayed has men from Ehlnofey.

Throren · July 2015

Ya, while the chart Snowstrider posted has some updated info and more stuff on it, some I disagree with or I personally believe to be wrong

Llike the bosmer having no connection with the other mer and magically made from the Et'ada. I take the whole "Y'ffre made the wood elves out of green ooze" as just a bosmer legend/creation myth (like how Nords think Kyne created them by breathing onto the throat of the world)

At least in my opinion, I'm pretty confident that the bosmer came from Aldmer or early Altmer themselves. There are some writings that says some of the Aldmer/Altmer of the time wanted to be free of the main-stream way of life on Alinor (or the Summerset Isles) and instead wanted to live a life of simplicity in the forest and, because of this, left their home of their own accord. But there are also lore articles and in-game tomes that describe the Aldmer/Altmer landing on the shores of the province in ancient times and leaving some of their own people behind so that they would have ties to the Tamrielic mainland when in a time of need (this would explain the supposed pact of old that they made which gave the Thalmor the right to annex Valenwood at the beginning of the Aldmeri Dominion's revival). Regardless, in both theories, the aldmer/altmer left on the continent would, over time become bosmer (perhaps with Y'ffre involved? But I doubt they were made purely from green ooze. this ain;t teh ninja turtles)

Gidorick · July 2015

I agree @Throren. That's pretty much in line with how I think. I used to believe that the Khajiit were purely a product of Azura, a daedric evolution of cats... but I find it hard to refute the lore about the changing of the aldmer line that became Bosmer... especially considering the Ohmes furstock.

That leaves the Argonians as the only intelligent race that didn't evolve from The Ehlnofey... well, that we know of. I suspect the Sload didn't evolve from The Ehlnofey...

I_killed_Vivec · July 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

OK. Revision 2 is up... I think all I have left is to add the tribunal...

Tribunal?

False, dead gods

Gidorick · July 2015

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

OK. Revision 2 is up... I think all I have left is to add the tribunal...

Tribunal?

False, dead gods

Oh I agree but influential enough to be included I think. Many of Tamriel's people worship dead gods.

Rosveen · July 2015

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

OK. Revision 2 is up... I think all I have left is to add the tribunal...

Tribunal?

False, dead gods

They are very much alive at the time of ESO.

ShedsHisTail · July 2015

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

OK. Revision 2 is up... I think all I have left is to add the tribunal...

Tribunal?

False, dead gods

Yeah, they should break off of the Dunmer line.

Gidorick · July 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

OK. Revision 2 is up... I think all I have left is to add the tribunal...

Tribunal?

False, dead gods

They are very much alive at the time of ESO.

But they're still false.

mitpeSrebiT · July 2015

@ Gidorick
Great work, bro! Could you PLEASE provide it in the same high resolution as your first one.

Gidorick · July 2015

mitpeSrebiT wrote: »

@ Gidorick
Great work, bro! Could you PLEASE provide it in the same high resolution as your first one.

The link is an even higher rez than the first version. In revision 3, I'll just have the one image. I thought having a smaller image would be better or something. I dunno. I was tired. Lol.

mitpeSrebiT · July 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

mitpeSrebiT wrote: »

@ Gidorick
Great work, bro! Could you PLEASE provide it in the same high resolution as your first one.

The link is an even higher rez than the first version. In revision 3, I'll just have the one image. I thought having a smaller image would be better or something. I dunno. I was tired. Lol.

Which link?

Not meaning to contradict you, but your first one was a PNG (2880x2880, 19,2 MB) and this one is a JPG (800x1000, 206 KB). Maybe I'm overlooking something here

Gidorick · July 2015

Here ya go @mitpeSrebiT .

Gidorick wrote: »

Here is a large readable version: http://orig10.deviantart.net/4a5c/f/2015/196/a/c/tes_panteon_rev_3_by_gidorick-d91hrf5.png

This one is 3840X4800

all other revisions will be that size too.

mitpeSrebiT · July 2015

YEAH ! Awesome ! That's exactly what I wanted. Thanks a lot, bro!

Gidorick · July 2015

I was playing around with the idea of adding the destinations of the souls of mortals. This includes the Aetherial realms and the Oblivion Planes, I'm just not sure about the visuals or their inclusion. I'd like to get some opinions while I finish up the next revision?

I have placed them at the very bottom of the image, below Nirn.

Thanks!

Rosveen · July 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

OK. Revision 2 is up... I think all I have left is to add the tribunal...

Tribunal?

False, dead gods

They are very much alive at the time of ESO.

But they're still false.

As a CHIMster, Vivec is true in a way.

Gidorick · July 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

OK. Revision 2 is up... I think all I have left is to add the tribunal...

Tribunal?

False, dead gods

They are very much alive at the time of ESO.

But they're still false.

As a CHIMster, Vivec is true in a way.

It's my view that Vivec did NOT achieve CHIM, he only thought he did. I kind of view it as how the Buddha achieved Enlightenment and thousands of Gurus have claimed to have achieved enlightenment... but probably haven't. Talos showed his mastery of the CHIM by changing Cyrodiil, not only in his present, but in the past as well, he rewrote the events of time. Vivec was simply a student of CHIM.

Rosveen · July 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

OK. Revision 2 is up... I think all I have left is to add the tribunal...

Tribunal?

False, dead gods

They are very much alive at the time of ESO.

But they're still false.

As a CHIMster, Vivec is true in a way.

It's my view that Vivec did NOT achieve CHIM, he only thought he did. I kind of view it as how the Buddha achieved Enlightenment and thousands of Gurus have claimed to have achieved enlightenment... but probably haven't. Talos showed his mastery of the CHIM by changing Cyrodiil, not only in his present, but in the past as well, he rewrote the events of time. Vivec was simply a student of CHIM.

That's like, your opinion, man.

He understood CHIM very well, at least. Still, CHIM isn't necessarily godhood.

Gidorick · July 2015

LOL. Epic @Rosveen! Simply Epic.

We need an epic button.

Gidorick · July 2015

I finished up Revision 3

REV 3 Changes

Added Tribunal
Added the Battle of Red Mountain influence line
Added the rest of the Khajiit Pantheon
Added the Binding of Ja'Kha'Jay influence line
Added the rest of the Redguard Pantheon
Added the Ancient Nord Pantheon
Moved Baan Dar to Padomay (from Lorkhan)
Added the Nedes
Moved the Creation of the Hist to Sithis from Padomay
Added Padomay's influence on Lorkhan
Added a list of worshiped Ehlnofey
Added The Aetherius
Added The Planes of Oblivion
Added the Dreamsleeve
Added the Falmer
Added the Dwemer
Added the Dwemer Betrayal of the Falmer influence line
Moved Tu'Wacca to be another name for Magnus
Reset the Oblivion portals

Looking at the image now, I think I'm going to change "Prophets of the Tribunal Boethiah, Azura, and Mephala" to "Prophets of Boethiah, Azura, and Mephala".

I have a couple of other visual fixes, like Masser & Secunda's title is set a little high. I also think the Dreamsleeve banner is a bit too large. Are there any inaccuracies you see that should also be fixed?

Please, don't just let me know something is "wrong", let me know how you think it should be fixed. If you don't know, but you simply disagree, that's cool too. It'll lead me to do some more research.

Feel free to let me know of any visual problems you see too. Like "The Tribunal" being larger than the scroll.

UTG_Zilla · July 2015

@Gidorick

First of all, really nice job on pic

Secondly, I think you should have Snow Elves on there as their own race and have a dotted line between them and dwermer going to the falmer. The falmer weren't really an original race, they're just the degenerate blind/deaf feral snow elves remnants after centuries of being slaved/poisoned by the dwermer. They're a race all on their own as you meet two of the last remaining ones (so far anyways..) in dawn guard skyrim dlc and it gives a short guide of history.

Edit: I see you don't have races like the left handed elves or liloliith(?, the fox like race), but the snow elves are an actual part of ES lore, especially skyrim lore

Gidorick · July 2015

Thanks @UTG_Zilla. I chose not to include the Left Handed Elves (along with the Ayleids & Kothringi) because they were the end of their respective lines. Of course, seeing that there are only THREE that would be added... it wouldn't make the chart that much more cluttered. lol.

Now, the Lilmothiit, Sload, Imga, Tsaesci, Kamal Snow Demons, Tang Mo, or the Ka'Po'Tun because we really don't know their origins. I have my own speculations, but there's no lore to use to create a lineage.

I thought a bit about having a show-elves race banner. It actually got me thinking about the Mer as a whole. All of the Mer races have the same suffix... so their name is NAME+mer. Aldmer, Altmer, Bosmer... etc.

It actually lead me to a couple questions/thoughts

What were the Orsimer called prior to them being Orsimer since they only became Orsimer when Trinimac became Malakath?
- I like the idea of them being called Ardamer (Faithful Elves)
I would think the Falmer (literally translated Snow Elves) would have been called Falmer PRIOR to their poisoning and deformation and something else after.
- I like the idea of the Falmer being snow elves who turned into Buramer (Slave Elves) or Rotemer (Rotten Elves)
The left handed elves don't have a "Mer" name either. They were pretty much known to be the advisory of the Yokudan people perhaps the Dalkmer (knife elves), Brandmer (Sword Elves), Geilmer (Screaming Elves), Geissirmer (Berserker Elves), or something else a warrior race of Mer would be called.

Thanks for the notes, I'll take them into consideration.

UTG_Zilla · July 2015

@Gidorick

Falmer - fallen mer, 'fallen' from their once great race of snow elves to the blind/deaf feral creatures we saw in skyrim. Can't remember name of it but the first 'quest' for mages guild in skyrim takes you to a snow elf settlement that the atmorans sacked, I wanna say 'night of tears' but could be confusing it with the ww2 'kristalnacht' (probably not spelled right, I'm a bad nerd lol).

And about the lilmothliit, I researched them a few weeks ago. I think on uesp. But what I can remember from it was that they and the khajiit could have once been from the same tribe and just went to different regions, I remember reading about a lilmothliit settlement in blackmarsh. Also, the -iit means 'dweller', or the like, khajiit literally means like desert dweller, I forget what the lilmoth- meant.

But I can see why you didn't add them, they're not in game and not much is known About them. But I think you shouldn't do all that background work for all the other races and just have falmer as 'Falmer', you're missing how they became falmer and I do think that the snow elves were the original settlers of skyrim before the atmorans came.

Also, I don't think redguards are the same as yokudans but I could be wrong. I thought I remembered reading that the redguards and yokudans were always (or more or less always) fighting and the continent yokuda was destroyed (some think by redguards) and redguards fled to alik'r. I could be wrong about this whole paragraph but swear I read that

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO · July 2015

Why Talos/Ebonarm? I know they've both been attributed as gods of war, but I don't think there's much connection there otherwise.

The Stendarr/Hoonding connection gives me pause as well, given that The Hoonding is a deity rather exclusive to Redguards. But maybe I'm missing something?

Armann · July 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

I finished up Revision 3

REV 3 Changes
Added Tribunal

Added the Battle of Red Mountain influence line

Added the rest of the Khajiit Pantheon

Added the Binding of Ja'Kha'Jay influence line

Added the rest of the Redguard Pantheon

Added the Ancient Nord Pantheon

Moved Baan Dar to Padomay (from Lorkhan)

Added the Nedes

Moved the Creation of the Hist to Sithis from Padomay

Added Padomay's influence on Lorkhan

Added a list of worshiped Ehlnofey

Added The Aetherius

Added The Planes of Oblivion

Added the Dreamsleeve

Added the Falmer

Added the Dwemer

Added the Dwemer Betrayal of the Falmer influence line

Moved Tu'Wacca to be another name for Magnus

Reset the Oblivion portals

Looking at the image now, I think I'm going to change "Prophets of the Tribunal Boethiah, Azura, and Mephala" to "Prophets of Boethiah, Azura, and Mephala".

I have a couple of other visual fixes, like Masser & Secunda's title is set a little high. I also think the Dreamsleeve banner is a bit too large. Are there any inaccuracies you see that should also be fixed?

Please, don't just let me know something is "wrong", let me know how you think it should be fixed. If you don't know, but you simply disagree, that's cool too. It'll lead me to do some more research.

Feel free to let me know of any visual problems you see too. Like "The Tribunal" being larger than the scroll.

Breton from Atmorans? I'm pretty certain the Breton ancestry is Nede+Aldmer unless I'm reading it wrong where it was Atmorans+Nedes mixed with Aldmer. Some Imperial nobles families actually have some Akaviri blood in them after the Reman empire due to interbreeding, but irrelevant in the in the big picture.

Throren · July 2015

@UTG_Zilla

UTG_Zilla wrote: »

Falmer - fallen mer, 'fallen' from their once great race of snow elves to the blind/deaf feral creatures we saw in skyrim.

The word Falmer literally translates to Snow/Ice elf (just like Altmer and Bosmer = High elf and wood elf) The actual unmutated falmer (like those in the dragonborn DLC) are so few and more or less extinct that people tend to use Falmer in refrence to the twisted blind version. But Falmer is the correct elven name for the snow elves.

UTG_Zilla wrote: »

Can't remember name of it but the first 'quest' for mages guild in skyrim takes you to a snow elf settlement that the atmorans sacked, I wanna say 'night of tears' but could be confusing it with the ww2 'kristalnacht' (probably not spelled right, I'm a bad nerd lol).

No, the quest takes you to an ancient nord settlement that the atmorans built. The snow elves and the nords were actually getting along until the elves decided to try to wipe the humans out. This lead to the Night of tears. The Night of Tears is the night an Elven force attacked and burned the first human city of Skyrim, Saarthal, built by the first Nordic inhabitants. This was the driving event which led Ysgramor to retaliate and hunted down the snow elves with the 500 companions in revenge.

UTG_Zilla wrote: »

But I can see why you didn't add them, they're not in game and not much is known About them. But I think you shouldn't do all that background work for all the other races and just have falmer as 'Falmer', you're missing how they became falmer and I do think that the snow elves were the original settlers of skyrim before the atmorans came.

They always were falmer. The snow elves were called Falmer before they became blind goblinoid monsters. It's probably best to label one as just "Falmer" and the other as "Falmer (mutated)"

And yes the Falmer were the original inhabitants of Skyrim, that is until they attacked teh nords and in revenge, the nords wiped them out and conquered the country.

UTG_Zilla wrote: »

Also, I don't think redguards are the same as yokudans but I could be wrong. I thought I remembered reading that the redguards and yokudans were always (or more or less always) fighting and the continent yokuda was destroyed (some think by redguards) and redguards fled to alik'r. I could be wrong about this whole paragraph but swear I read that

Yes you are wrong, Redguards are very much the same as Yokudans. The Yokudans took on the name Redguard instead after series of seven battles in Yokuda circa 1E 780. By the end, more than three hundred thousand people were killed. In the eyes of the citizenry, their guardians were red with blood. So they left Yokuda, sailing across the Eltheric Ocean, and took on the name "Redguard" to commemorate their final battle

Rosveen · July 2015

Just some details: who is the Bear? Why is Tsun showed twice? Did you ever explain why you associate Tu'whacca with Magnus? And the line betwee Breton and Altmer is unclear, it looks like Altmer are descended from Bretons.