Fragment Ratio from provisioning discovery thread

Tectonaut

Iluvrien wrote: »

I can, and will join, but only have 2 max-level provisioners. I will still submit my results...

...just a thought but shouldn't this be in the Crafting section?

This is the crafting section.

Austacker

I'm currently on a Level 50 Provisioner on my main V5 console character.

I need to ask before I consider levelling alts (and this thread didn't really nail down the answer I'm after)

1 - What's the minimum CHARACTER level requirement to get a chance at frag drops?
2 - What's the minimum PROVISIONING level requirement to get a chance at frag drops?
3 - What level writs can purple mats for provisioning be rewarded?

I am only looking to prep myself for Frag farming and purple mat provision farming when these go to console and need to know if my time is better spent levelling say 2 extra characters to V1 for just provisioning or levelling 10 characters to level 20 for provisioning.

Thanks for anyone who can answer those questions!

Dru1076

Austacker wrote: »

I'm currently on a Level 50 Provisioner on my main V5 console character.

I need to ask before I consider levelling alts (and this thread didn't really nail down the answer I'm after)

1 - What's the minimum CHARACTER level requirement to get a chance at frag drops?
2 - What's the minimum PROVISIONING level requirement to get a chance at frag drops?
3 - What level writs can purple mats for provisioning be rewarded?

I am only looking to prep myself for Frag farming and purple mat provision farming when these go to console and need to know if my time is better spent levelling say 2 extra characters to V1 for just provisioning or levelling 10 characters to level 20 for provisioning.

Thanks for anyone who can answer those questions!

You don't want to be relying on one character.

UrQuan

Hmm, I took a couple of weeks off from the forums, and I'm afraid that in that time I completely lost track of the number of writs I've done (although it's been 1 per day per character, so if I really tried I could figure that number out), and more importantly I've completely lost track of the number of fragments I've received. Since my last post in this thread I feel like I've been getting them with about the same frequency as I did before, but as I'm currently just funneling any fragments I get to my guild it's much less memorable when I get one these days.

I feel like I've let everyone in this thread down

SirAndy

After all this time, 1 freaking fragment. ONE!


@ZOS, really?

I_killed_Vivec

SirAndy wrote: »

After all this time, 1 freaking fragment. ONE!


@ZOS, really?

Still none! Not one. Not a single one. Not even a glimpse. Not a hint.

Got a purple recipe today though - already knew it

helediron

Austacker wrote: »

I'm currently on a Level 50 Provisioner on my main V5 console character.

I need to ask before I consider levelling alts (and this thread didn't really nail down the answer I'm after)

1 - What's the minimum CHARACTER level requirement to get a chance at frag drops?
2 - What's the minimum PROVISIONING level requirement to get a chance at frag drops?
3 - What level writs can purple mats for provisioning be rewarded?

I am only looking to prep myself for Frag farming and purple mat provision farming when these go to console and need to know if my time is better spent levelling say 2 extra characters to V1 for just provisioning or levelling 10 characters to level 20 for provisioning.

Thanks for anyone who can answer those questions!

I think better to level few veteran level, maxed provision. At least that worked for me. I am sure ypu need provision to level 50, but not necessarily character level.

So maybe a question to those who have max level provisioning and BAD luck with frags: what is your character level?

Woolenthreads

Austacker wrote: »

I'm currently on a Level 50 Provisioner on my main V5 console character.

I need to ask before I consider levelling alts (and this thread didn't really nail down the answer I'm after)

1 - What's the minimum CHARACTER level requirement to get a chance at frag drops?
2 - What's the minimum PROVISIONING level requirement to get a chance at frag drops?
3 - What level writs can purple mats for provisioning be rewarded?

I am only looking to prep myself for Frag farming and purple mat provision farming when these go to console and need to know if my time is better spent levelling say 2 extra characters to V1 for just provisioning or levelling 10 characters to level 20 for provisioning.

Thanks for anyone who can answer those questions!

The simplistic answer to 1) and 2) are that we assume that L6 and L1 are the levels at which fragments drop respectively. The drop is random but the lower the level of Recipe Improvement the lower the chance of the fragments being generated.

It may be, however, that the chance doesn't come up unless purple recipes and mats will drop which means you need L20 in Provisioning because purple recipes don't drop until you do Recipe Improvement 2 Writs, or search containers, in Region two.

Iluvrien

Tectonaut wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

I can, and will join, but only have 2 max-level provisioners. I will still submit my results...

...just a thought but shouldn't this be in the Crafting section?

This is the crafting section.

It started out on General and got moved.

Anything else you want to add @Tectonaut?

Nestor

I have to say that after completing my Recipe I have not seen a Fragment since. So, one week, no fragments.

I have gotten some Blue and Purple recipes that I have never seen before, so that is something.

Nestor

Woolenthreads wrote: »

The simplistic answer to 1) and 2) are that we assume that L6 and L1 are the levels at which fragments drop respectively. The drop is random but the lower the level of Recipe Improvement the lower the chance of the fragments being generated.

It may be, however, that the chance doesn't come up unless purple recipes and mats will drop which means you need L20 in Provisioning because purple recipes don't drop until you do Recipe Improvement 2 Writs, or search containers, in Region two.

You can get them at any level provisioner doing Writs. You just get a higher chance at L6 Provisioning Containers to see the Fragment. None of my L1, L2 or L3 Provisioners have gotten one.

Woolenthreads

Nestor wrote: »

Woolenthreads wrote: »

The simplistic answer to 1) and 2) are that we assume that L6 and L1 are the levels at which fragments drop respectively. The drop is random but the lower the level of Recipe Improvement the lower the chance of the fragments being generated.

It may be, however, that the chance doesn't come up unless purple recipes and mats will drop which means you need L20 in Provisioning because purple recipes don't drop until you do Recipe Improvement 2 Writs, or search containers, in Region two.

You can get them at any level provisioner doing Writs. You just get a higher chance at L6 Provisioning Containers to see the Fragment. None of my L1, L2 or L3 Provisioners have gotten one.

You can't qualify to do writs until L6 so you won't be able to get a fragment until then.

I wasn't saying that there isn't a chance that fragments will drop for L1 provisioning writs I was saying that we assume that they do but until someone pipes up and shows they have with say a screenshot, or a ZoS representative makes that statement, we might be assuming incorrectly. I haven't gone searching for such a statement though so for all I know it might already have been made or the proof shown.

Nebthet78

Since release. Of 3 V14 characters doing L6 writs, I have received only 3 frags, 1 of which was a double. RNG sucks monkey balls.

I_killed_Vivec

Still none

Woolenthreads

It is the 52nd day. I have 2 fragments from 91 Recipe Improvement Writs.

Brrrofski

Me and two of my guild started doing them 4 days ago.

Out of the 12 there was on fragment

Lokustreign

The fragments are considered epic (purple) quality trophy drops. If you are a low-level character with maxed provisioning you won't be seeing top-tier caches from turning in writs because you can't turn in to all locations. For example, the last tier writ (vi) has to be turned in to the Belkarth quartermaster area in Craglorn. If you actually think about it, it makes sense. What level do you need to be to get into Craglorn? VR1. Therefore, the level of your character directly affects your rewards from doing provisioning writs.

I have a level 32 Nightblade that I maxed out provisioning with to test this theory. Because of his level, the writs I cap out at are tier iv, and I turn those in at the Sentinel (Alik'r Desert) quartermaster. Even though his skills are maxed out at 4/4 and 6/6 he usually only gets standard cooking mats upon completion. There is a very small chance of him getting epic materials, and (I assume) the Psijic fragments.

While I'm sure there are random players out there who will swear up and down they've gotten that one Bervez Juice/Frost Mirriam from a level 40 cache that one time...the truth of the matter is that epic materials will only drop CONSISTENTLY from the highest level caches. So unless every single person in this thread is using a VR1 minimum level toon to sample this ratio from, your information is skewed.

On my VR7 character I've done 6 Craglorn writs and gotten 1 page. Obviously RNG has a large part to play in this.

To efficiently get the fragments you will want to be a minimum level of VR1 in order to turn in the highest level writ (in Belkarth), with maxed 4/4 and 6/6 level 50 provisioning. Key word: efficiently.

CidxLucy

nick59349b14_ESO wrote: »

With these ratio's how are people getting all of them and selling the potions in the guild stores? Crazy.

I myself started saving each day long before the update came out 1/16.
Like with the fish people had a ton the day the updated happening because they farm the fish before the updated and cut then after the update.

Woolenthreads

Lokustreign wrote: »

The fragments are considered epic (purple) quality trophy drops. If you are a low-level character with maxed provisioning you won't be seeing top-tier caches from turning in writs because you can't turn in to all locations.

I have a level 32 Nightblade <snip> Even though his skills are maxed out at 4/4 and 6/6 he only gets standard cooking mats upon completion. No epic mats!

While I'm sure there are random players out there who will swear up and down they've gotten that one Bervez Juice/Frost Mirriam from a level 40 cache that one time...the truth of the matter is that epic materials will only drop consistently from the highest level caches. <snip>

To get the fragments you will want to be a minimum level of VR1 in order to turn in the highest level writ (in Belkarth), with maxed 4/4 and 6/6 level 50 provisioning.

Not Random Players, Experienced Players like Nestor, Urquan and Myself. We have all gotten Corinthe Corn Beef Recipes, Bervez Juice and Frost Mirriam from characters doing Recipe Improvement 2 Writs. That means you just need a character with Provisioning L20 and to get to te Capital in the second Region.

The kicker on this is RNG chance. At the moment a VR character with RI6 doing writs in Craglorn seems to have a chance of 1 in 100 of getting a writ. It has been stated in a developers thread that the lower the Recipe Improvement the lower the chance. So lets say that it increases two-fold, at RI5 it is therefore 1 in 200, RI4 1 in 400, RI3 1 in 800 and RI2 1 in 1600. Put another way, it is statistically unlikely that low level characters with low Recipe Improvement will pick a fragment.Using the numbers I have stated, doing a writ every day on RI2 characters a fragment is likely to drop, on average, once every 7 or so years.

CidxLucy wrote: »

nick59349b14_ESO wrote: »

With these ratio's how are people getting all of them and selling the potions in the guild stores? Crazy.

I myself started saving each day long before the update came out 1/16.
Like with the fish people had a ton the day the updated happening because they farm the fish before the updated and cut then after the update.

Once you get to a certain point as a player you make money and have nothing to use it on, there are plenty of players claiming they have gold in the millions. So if you don't care about "wasting" time collecting fragments you sell them and people who have lots of money buy the fragments.

# Edit: The chance I noted per RI drop is a geometric progression, I think it's far more likely that it's a linear progrssion ie RI4 is times 3, RI3 is times 4 and RI2 is times 5. That still means that a character of RI2 is likely to get a fragment only once every 20 months (or longer than you're likely to play them ).

SpAEkus

Well just got my first Frag this AM.

Using one Writ VI char, 2 Writ I, 1 Writ II, 1 Writ III, 2 Writ IV, per day.

54 Days - 1 Frag. Received on Writ VI character.

Casdha

I still think RNG is tied to a population control type thing for any thing rare in this game. What I mean, The server keeps count of how many items it gives out in a given time frame with a minimum and maximum number it has to maintain and adjusts the percentage accordingly.

Example - I've gotten 7 nirn stones in an hour and I've also gotten zero in three hours. There have also been times that I got one on the exact same minute every hour.

So with that theory said, The folks that seem to be really lucky are exactly that lucky, they did their writs at exactly the right time. Also the more folks try to figure out this time slot the more the time slot moves because it will be maxed out on pay outs. In other words it is programed like video gambling machines or the magnetic claw games but its currency is counting writ attempts rather than money taken in.

Rosveen

I haven't received any fragments since I completed my recipe. It was weeks ago. It also coincided with receiving 7 fragments (I sold duplicates, bought the missing two and learned the recipe that way). I don't know what exactly was the trigger, but I'm beginning to believe the drop rate is programmed to drop down eventually.

syzmic

Have 4 lvl 50 provisioner's done the daily for 9 days (36) now and zero fragments from any char.

It seems they are rarer than Rocking Horse ***.

Woolenthreads

syzmic wrote: »

Have 4 lvl 50 provisioner's done the daily for 9 days (36) now and zero fragments from any char.

It seems they are rarer than Rocking Horse ***.

Having L50 is not exactly the key requirement, it's the level of writ that you can do. Are all of those 4 characters doing the Craglorn RI6 Writs?

syzmic

Woolenthreads wrote: »

syzmic wrote: »

Have 4 lvl 50 provisioner's done the daily for 9 days (36) now and zero fragments from any char.

It seems they are rarer than Rocking Horse ***.

Having L50 is not exactly the key requirement, it's the level of writ that you can do. Are all of those 4 characters doing the Craglorn RI6 Writs?

Yes they are, All are maxed out in provisioning + all the points into it and all chars are at Vet+ level.

i've got to the point tbh not to bother doing them anymore.

Dekkameron

I haven't been doing the provisioning writs that long really and so i have got 20 writs and 3 fragments.

Not as bad ratio compared to what i have seen others have in this thread.

I_killed_Vivec

Still none

whyB

Just got my first fragment piece last night (fragment # 2).

I do the writ daily. Am level 42 in provisioning. Only one character.

Lokustreign

Woolenthreads wrote: »

Lokustreign wrote: »

The fragments are considered epic (purple) quality trophy drops. If you are a low-level character with maxed provisioning you won't be seeing top-tier caches from turning in writs because you can't turn in to all locations.

I have a level 32 Nightblade <snip> Even though his skills are maxed out at 4/4 and 6/6 he only gets standard cooking mats upon completion. No epic mats!

While I'm sure there are random players out there who will swear up and down they've gotten that one Bervez Juice/Frost Mirriam from a level 40 cache that one time...the truth of the matter is that epic materials will only drop consistently from the highest level caches. <snip>

To get the fragments you will want to be a minimum level of VR1 in order to turn in the highest level writ (in Belkarth), with maxed 4/4 and 6/6 level 50 provisioning.

Not Random Players, Experienced Players like Nestor, Urquan and Myself. We have all gotten Corinthe Corn Beef Recipes, Bervez Juice and Frost Mirriam from characters doing Recipe Improvement 2 Writs. That means you just need a character with Provisioning L20 and to get to te Capital in the second Region.

The kicker on this is RNG chance. At the moment a VR character with RI6 doing writs in Craglorn seems to have a chance of 1 in 100 of getting a writ. It has been stated in a developers thread that the lower the Recipe Improvement the lower the chance. So lets say that it increases two-fold, at RI5 it is therefore 1 in 200, RI4 1 in 400, RI3 1 in 800 and RI2 1 in 1600. Put another way, it is statistically unlikely that low level characters with low Recipe Improvement will pick a fragment.Using the numbers I have stated, doing a writ every day on RI2 characters a fragment is likely to drop, on average, once every 7 or so years.

CidxLucy wrote: »

nick59349b14_ESO wrote: »

With these ratio's how are people getting all of them and selling the potions in the guild stores? Crazy.

I myself started saving each day long before the update came out 1/16.
Like with the fish people had a ton the day the updated happening because they farm the fish before the updated and cut then after the update.

Once you get to a certain point as a player you make money and have nothing to use it on, there are plenty of players claiming they have gold in the millions. So if you don't care about "wasting" time collecting fragments you sell them and people who have lots of money buy the fragments.

# Edit: The chance I noted per RI drop is a geometric progression, I think it's far more likely that it's a linear progrssion ie RI4 is times 3, RI3 is times 4 and RI2 is times 5. That still means that a character of RI2 is likely to get a fragment only once every 20 months (or longer than you're likely to play them ).

I actually got some epic mats after I posted this on my lowbie provisioner turning in a tier 4 writ in Sentinel, Alik'r Desert. Got some Bervez Juice and Frost Mirriam. Only happened one time out of like 7 turn ins. Hoping this means that there's a chance, albeit small, for me to get that Psijic Ambrosia rec.

Has anyone gotten a fragment other than from turning in the top-tiered writs? From a IV or V cache?

Also, @Woolenthreads I think you're missing my point. It's not that you never get epic mats from doing lower level turn ins, it's that it's much more likely that you will get them, and probably the Psijic recipe fragments from doing the higher level turn ins. Much more likely = more efficient = saves time. I'm not concerned with random occurrences, I want, and most likely the community wants, to know what the most efficient way of farming the fragments is.

Lokustreign

Woolenthreads wrote: »

Austacker wrote: »

I'm currently on a Level 50 Provisioner on my main V5 console character.

I need to ask before I consider levelling alts (and this thread didn't really nail down the answer I'm after)

1 - What's the minimum CHARACTER level requirement to get a chance at frag drops?
2 - What's the minimum PROVISIONING level requirement to get a chance at frag drops?
3 - What level writs can purple mats for provisioning be rewarded?

I am only looking to prep myself for Frag farming and purple mat provision farming when these go to console and need to know if my time is better spent levelling say 2 extra characters to V1 for just provisioning or levelling 10 characters to level 20 for provisioning.

Thanks for anyone who can answer those questions!

The simplistic answer to 1) and 2) are that we assume that L6 and L1 are the levels at which fragments drop respectively. The drop is random but the lower the level of Recipe Improvement the lower the chance of the fragments being generated.

It may be, however, that the chance doesn't come up unless purple recipes and mats will drop which means you need L20 in Provisioning because purple recipes don't drop until you do Recipe Improvement 2 Writs, or search containers, in Region two.

What do you mean by "L20"? I'm still learning all the acronyms for this game. And by "Region two" are you referring to a player's respective Silver area?