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Lava_Croft

Massive zergers posting screenshots of massive enemy zergs.

They zerg! OMG!

Erondil

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Massive zergers posting screenshots of massive enemy zergs.

They zerg! OMG!

Did any of those posting screenshots said their faction don't zerg/zerg less? Did they also say they never are with their whole faction zerg from time time? I guess if its not repeated every post, it's too subtle for you.

Etaniel

Tors wrote: »

The map is divided into logical squares, all of which have some autonomous processing control. It is not a single map, but overlapping maps with their own resources assigned.

This can be seen when you get those random loading screens running across open land. From what I can see the majority of these are to flush some sort of cache serverside (no activity on your local machine)

Squares next to each other seem to share some resources, which makes sense, you must be able to see people on both sides of a demarcation line, thus each overlay must talk to those adjacent to them, but a square ajacent to that one wont.

So a big group of players will affect you locally, but they will have no affect on your from a medium distance from yourself.

Just thought I'd pop in with a quote from Zos :

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

For Cyrodiil the answer is simply that it's one zone and if anything floods the server with requests from that zone, regardless of where it occurred in the zone, will effect the entire zone. There may have been a battle at Alessia bridge, but it could effect what happens at Fort Warden.

Direct counter proof of what you said. Now, will you please admit that a raid like yours has a crap effect on the whole server? Or are you going to stay in denial

LegendaryChef

@Baragorath bad bald was wondering if you would care for a duel?

Tors

Etaniel wrote: »

Just thought I'd pop in with a quote from Zos :

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

For Cyrodiil the answer is simply that it's one zone and if anything floods the server with requests from that zone, regardless of where it occurred in the zone, will effect the entire zone. There may have been a battle at Alessia bridge, but it could effect what happens at Fort Warden.

Direct counter proof of what you said. Now, will you please admit that a raid like yours has a crap effect on the whole server? Or are you going to stay in denial

Cheers, never seen that quote. What an utter crap system to implement.


And no, 1 raid is not a large number of people to expect to bring to a fight. The game should be able to handle it.

You are knocking people for playing the game as intended. Aside from the obvious zerg spots (bridges and choke points) Its generally 1 raid vs 1 raid.

I think you are just repeating the same things someone told you over and over without acutally reading what you are asking for.

Tors

LegendaryChef wrote: »

@Baragorath bad bald was wondering if you would care for a duel?

Don't do it @Baragorath


@LegendaryChef one shot me for over 33k AND I was ready for his hit |(was blocking with my big ole pink sheild up)

Jhunn

Tors wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

@Baragorath bad bald was wondering if you would care for a duel?

Don't do it @Baragorath


@LegendaryChef one shot me for over 33k AND I was ready for his hit |(was blocking with my big ole pink sheild up)

A one shot for 33k is pretty impressive even for @LegendaryChef.

Tors wrote: »

And no, 1 raid is not a large number of people to expect to bring to a fight. The game should be able to handle it.

You are knocking people for playing the game as intended. Aside from the obvious zerg spots (bridges and choke points) Its generally 1 raid vs 1 raid.

It should be able to, but it isn't. It's intended to be that way, but it isn't. You're surprised he's knocking people for making the game unplayable?

Corzz

33k? do you even Impen bro?

Tors

SmuddgeR wrote: »

33k? do you even Impen bro?

Pfft I can stand in the middle of the zerg and keep my tanks up while purging, swearing at Tigor on TS, smoking a ciggerte and generally be one of the last to fall.


Im not wearing crap armour. (not massivly mini-maxed either so a generic "PvP survival build, 33k Hitpoints should tell you that)

Sad thing is he asked me if he could try first. I got a screen shot of it somewhere. It was a single shot, not even a camo-hunter in the mix.

I tried to be brave and pretended that I wanted a blood port anyway, but I dont htink he believed me....

His only response was something about where my kids go to school and a correct guess of the wall paper in my room and what car I drive.

The guys just scary is all I am saying.

Tors

Jhunn wrote: »

It should be able to, but it isn't. It's intended to be that way, but it isn't. You're surprised he's knocking people for making the game unplayable?[/quote]


If the numbers allowed by the games crappy code are that low, then the game is not fit for purpose.

So knocking a small group of people for playing the game as intended is poor show. Basically he is knocking the entire playerbase for playing. Everybody in this thread has been in locations where there are 20+ of their own faction in one place.

I dont actually believe Zenemax would invest as much as they have in this game if the design of the main selling point was so poor.

A single server where calucations from a group of players just outside their base can affect someone from the other side of the map is terrible.


Maybe the Venerable @ZOS_BrianWheeler is not 100% correct? Or maybe he didint reread what he wrote and made a mistake,.

Certainly my personal experiance with general lag/ping counts and FPS drops across the maps dont tell me the same thing.

If it IS this bad, then maybe someone from Bethesda Softworks can come tell us how they sold this to ZeniMax Online Studios and got away with it.........

Etaniel

Tors wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Just thought I'd pop in with a quote from Zos :

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

For Cyrodiil the answer is simply that it's one zone and if anything floods the server with requests from that zone, regardless of where it occurred in the zone, will effect the entire zone. There may have been a battle at Alessia bridge, but it could effect what happens at Fort Warden.

Direct counter proof of what you said. Now, will you please admit that a raid like yours has a crap effect on the whole server? Or are you going to stay in denial

Cheers, never seen that quote. What an utter crap system to implement.


And no, 1 raid is not a large number of people to expect to bring to a fight. The game should be able to handle it.

You are knocking people for playing the game as intended. Aside from the obvious zerg spots (bridges and choke points) Its generally 1 raid vs 1 raid.

I think you are just repeating the same things someone told you over and over without acutally reading what you are asking for.

Yeah, I repeat the same thing over and over again because you still don't seem to understand. You keep talking about "intended gameplay". The intent is there, but the reality is that it doesn't work. How hard of a concept is it to grasp?

Tors

Etaniel wrote: »

Yeah, I repeat the same thing over and over again because you still don't seem to understand. You keep talking about "intended gameplay". The intent is there, but the reality is that it doesn't work. How hard of a concept is it to grasp?

Conversly you cannot grasp that you are asking for the impossible.


The reality is that we are not talking about large numbers of players.


What exactly are you asking people not to do? Dont go to Cryodill and engage in PvP when you want to play?

Check out the other battle grounds and see just how much fun they are.




If a castle is under attack, then people will respond
If a crossed sword apears on the map then the randoms will go there to get a fight.

Yes its possible for a raid to go right over to the other side of the map, Nana squad do this oftern, but they survive by being grouped up and creating their famous prox/blades/BOL squad.

This is becuse the moment they engage, the defenders can respond very fast and will swamp them in seconds.


Really if the whole problem for you is the number of players, then you know what you can do to allievate the issue and give yourself small scale PvP. You wont even have a queue to get there either

Lava_Croft

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Massive zergers posting screenshots of massive enemy zergs.

They zerg! OMG!

Did any of those posting screenshots said their faction don't zerg/zerg less? Did they also say they never are with their whole faction zerg from time time? I guess if its not repeated every post, it's too subtle for you.

What's the point of posting screenshots of the zergs we all see every single *** day? Isn't it bad enough to see them in-game already?

Might as well start posting daily screenshots of your ping or something.

Isbilen

Tors wrote: »

A single server where calucations from a group of players just outside their base can affect someone from the other side of the map is terrible

I am agreeing with someone in Decimation Elite... I'm gonna have to go outside during my break later and see if the sky is still blue.

On-topic though, they really should split Cyrodiil up in to zones you have to load in to. It's not like riding around doesn't give you loading screens already, so they should just cut the map in to three pieces or something so when say the DC area lags you can load through the chalman milegate and be put on a different zone and server.

Jhunn

The problem isn't when there's 50 players in a keep, non-organized, 3-4 man groups etc. The problem is with organized 24-man groups like your own stacking on the d*ck of the crown.

Erondil

Tors wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

It should be able to, but it isn't. It's intended to be that way, but it isn't. You're surprised he's knocking people for making the game unplayable?

If the numbers allowed by the games crappy code are that low, then the game is not fit for purpose.

So knocking a small group of people for playing the game as intended is poor show. Basically he is knocking the entire playerbase for playing. Everybody in this thread has been in locations where there are 20+ of their own faction in one place.

I dont actually believe Zenemax would invest as much as they have in this game if the design of the main selling point was so poor.

A single server where calucations from a group of players just outside their base can affect someone from the other side of the map is terrible.


Maybe the Venerable @ZOS_BrianWheeler is not 100% correct? Or maybe he didint reread what he wrote and made a mistake,.

Certainly my personal experiance with general lag/ping counts and FPS drops across the maps dont tell me the same thing.

If it IS this bad, then maybe someone from Bethesda Softworks can come tell us how they sold this to ZeniMax Online Studios and got away with it.........

So you finally got it, the game does not fit its purpose and cant handle a too big amount of players, and they cant fix it anytome soon. Gratz.
Of course everybody has been in location where there were 20+ players, even 20+ of their own faction but thats not the point. The point is, we should try to change our behaviour in order to reduce the lag and make the game playable for everybody because zos is too incompetent to fix it. And having a couple of raids going directly to the next objective, thus always running with his faction' pugs (obviously pugs will follow you if you go siege yellow alessia with seja/brk reds) is all the opposite.

Corzz

Tors wrote: »

Pfft I can stand in the middle of the zerg and keep my tanks up while purging, swearing at Tigor on TS, smoking a ciggerte and generally be one of the last to fall.

I stopped reading here, so much wrong with this game and this is the mentality of majority of cyro "i'm obviously tanky because I can sit in a zerg and not die" no you are being defended by AoE caps.

Despite that fact you probably are still tanky I've lost count of the amount of groups we fight that have about 10 templars in heavy armor spamming BOL doing no damage but impossible to kill, where eventually you just walk away because your bored. Throw AoE caps on top of that and its just stupid for a group of what we run to even bother fighting you unless we have a decent amount of leaps and proxys.

This forces other guilds to play ball groups to even compete. A 12 man ball group can kill 30 man zerg then once this starts happening Elite raid 6-12 gets called in to deal with it.

My issue with DE is that fact yous are always willing to be just a barrier number and part of a zerg pressing 1 button with your resto equipped, no intention of even trying to become a decent player on your own.

Etaniel

Tors wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Yeah, I repeat the same thing over and over again because you still don't seem to understand. You keep talking about "intended gameplay". The intent is there, but the reality is that it doesn't work. How hard of a concept is it to grasp?

Conversly you cannot grasp that you are asking for the impossible.


The reality is that we are not talking about large numbers of players.


What exactly are you asking people not to do? Dont go to Cryodill and engage in PvP when you want to play?

Check out the other battle grounds and see just how much fun they are.




If a castle is under attack, then people will respond
If a crossed sword apears on the map then the randoms will go there to get a fight.

Yes its possible for a raid to go right over to the other side of the map, Nana squad do this oftern, but they survive by being grouped up and creating their famous prox/blades/BOL squad.

This is becuse the moment they engage, the defenders can respond very fast and will swamp them in seconds.


Really if the whole problem for you is the number of players, then you know what you can do to allievate the issue and give yourself small scale PvP. You wont even have a queue to get there either

I'm not asking for the impossible.

I only play on the other campaigns, never Azura, unless sometimes the sewers, and you can bet that I don't have much more than 5 or 6 enjoyable fights per week because of all the large groups with crappy mentality running around.

Example : I'm running in the sewers on my own, I've been there 15 minutes without finding a soul, when suddenly a group of 20 ADs run over me, and turn around to chase me when they realize I passed through them. That pisses me off. I would not have minded getting killed if they were say 5-8, because I suppose if you're a PvEer that doesn't feel comfortable in PvP, you need some friends to be safe, and I can't expect to win vs 5+ people.
But 20 people? when the sewers are empty? I mean you're not even making a stone profit in that kind of group. If there was a large amount of players roaming the sewers, I'd understand. And this stupid mentality of "oh hey there's 20 of us let's systematically chase down the guy who is solo", it happens all the time on the surface as well. When you get chased by 20 people across the distance of 2 keeps, those guys have serious issues.

On empty campaigns too, everyone is low pop except one faction that is medium, I go there expecting reasonable sized fights, but nooooo, you have full raids PvDooring keeps, and who will keep on doing it even if they trigger no reaction.



And then there's your mentality, you assume people are going to follow you anyways, you can't help it, screw the lag it's not my fault, I want to play like this anyways, more people more fun, you are asking for the impossible bla bla bla.
If everyone stopped thinking like that we might move forward

Even though I think B squad's group play doesn't help lag at all, they at least have the common sense to not join their faction's zerg fight, and they will create action somewhere else (unless last emp keep I guess)

You don't need to be like Banana squad to go on the other side of the map, I do it solo, I do with 4 men groups, it's not mission impossible, and it's the best thing to do when there's already a big number of players fighting next to you.

DE doesn't join their faction's zerg fights, you create them by having multiple raids. And yes, a raid of 24 people is a large amount of people. 24 is already too much when they all stack on the crown, and I will never stop complaining about that type of behaviour until it doesn't affect global performance anymore. The day that you don't cause everyone's ping including yours to go red, you will have my full support to play in 24 man raids.

Nermy

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Massive zergers posting screenshots of massive enemy zergs.

They zerg! OMG!

Did any of those posting screenshots said their faction don't zerg/zerg less? Did they also say they never are with their whole faction zerg from time time? I guess if its not repeated every post, it's too subtle for you.

What's the point of posting screenshots of the zergs we all see every single *** day? Isn't it bad enough to see them in-game already?

Might as well start posting daily screenshots of your ping or something.

Might just start a thread for that... >.<

Taresgos

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

^haha nice

DeanTheCat

Taresgos wrote: »

Just... Wut?

I mean, that poor sod actually paid money for that?

Taresgos

yes easiest 100k in my lyf

DeanTheCat

Taresgos wrote: »

yes easiest 100k in my lyf

Now I'm curious what that guy was drinking/smoking. It's definitely not Skooma.

... I mean, that achievement in this context was already so easy to obtain...

/shakehead

Tors

Jhunn wrote: »

The problem is with organized 24-man groups like your own stacking on the d*ck of the crown.

Hypocrisy at its most staggering.

Etaniel wrote: »

I do with 4 men groups, it's not mission impossible

Who wants to play 4 man groups? I Choose to play with multiple people. I choose to play ESO. You want some holy nirvana of small pvp engagements then go play Quake or something. ESO is obvsiously not for you.

Etaniel wrote: »

The day that you don't cause everyone's ping including yours, you will have my full support to play in 24 man raids.

Asinine comments like this make you look like a fool. For a start you dont even play on Azuras Star.....


Giving me your "support" to use a basic function of the game is just absurd.

Etaniel

Tors wrote: »

Who wants to play 4 man groups? I Choose to play with multiple people. I choose to play ESO. You want some holy nirvana of small pvp engagements then go play Quake or something. ESO is obvsiously not for you.

You insinuated that going across the map far from captured keeps was impossible unless being banana squad stacking dets etc, I just said it's not impossible. Don't give me bullsh*t answers like go play something else

Tors wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

The day that you don't cause everyone's ping including yours to go red, you will have my full support to play in 24 man raids.

Asinine comments like this make you look like a fool. For a start you dont even play on Azuras Star.....

Every time I do I have 1000 ping, I see everyone complaining about performance and groups like yours on all sides, and no one is having fun, yeah I'm such a f***ing fool not to play Azura, and I have less rights than you to express my view on a game i've spent 110 days of my life on.

Tors wrote: »

Giving me your "support" to use a basic function of the game is just absurd.

What the hell is the point in arguing with you seriously? You f*** the game up when you play in your sh*t raids how the heck do you expect people not to *** about it? I'm out of this ridiculous argument

LegendaryChef

I want my duel with the raid leader plz

themdogesbite

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DeanTheCat wrote: »

Taresgos wrote: »

Just... Wut?

I mean, that poor sod actually paid money for that?

Someone paid me 500k for grand overlord kill achivment..

Lava_Croft

I want to note that zergs like Elite wreck the game's overall performance only slightly worse than organized AoE blobs.

Dakrana_Thrazvoth

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Massive zergers posting screenshots of massive enemy zergs.

They zerg! OMG!

Just for you, better than one screenshot !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXHlH9MNHKw