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Jhunn

Tors wrote: »

Then again, if you keep telling yourself rubbish like this over and over and I guess it makes you feel better for getting your backsides handed to you by groups of half your number.

Haha! Yeah. No one from Decimation replied to my duel proposal, by the way?

Nafirian

Tors wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

You notice lag less when you're running with 23 x 'several raids', spamming one button and not having to weaponswap

Several = 1.5 (ish)

We get swamped by blues and yellows constantly, massively outnumbering us.


Honestly @Jhunn , you are starting to sound a lot like a




Then again, if you keep telling yourself rubbish like this over and over and I guess it makes you feel better for getting your backsides handed to you by groups of half your number.

HAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Says the guy who runs in massive groups constantly xD

Lava_Croft

I'm not zerging, they are!!!

MLRPZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgP0CIO_V8Y

i'll just leave that here
**blink blink**

Etaniel

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm not zerging, they are!!!

You hide behind those very words as well though

Lava_Croft

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm not zerging, they are!!!

You hide behind those very words as well though

I don't run in zergs on purpose. I accept the fact that ESO PvP is mostly stupid zergs.

However, I'm not a 16 year old child going to the forums pretending like it's the others that zerg.

Speaking of hiding, how's the slaughtering of PvE zombies going?

Etaniel

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm not zerging, they are!!!

You hide behind those very words as well though

I don't run in zergs on purpose. I accept the fact that ESO PvP is mostly stupid zergs.

However, I'm not a 16 year old child going to the forums pretending like it's the others that zerg.

Speaking of hiding, how's the slaughtering of PvE zombies going?

This sort of mentality is a problem though, and it's spreading. A lot of small scalers are going " oh well, every one is zerging, I might as well accept i and do the same so that the situation gets even worse". Cyro used to be a place where both large scale/small scale could coexist, I don't see why people are so eager to get rid of small scale.

The PvE zombies are doing fine don't worry, they don't need to put in much effort to pull ridiculous dmg numbers, and they always outnumber me, because I choose not to be a d*** and I don't grab 15 friends to go clear the sewers (not saying you necessarily do)

Lava_Croft

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm not zerging, they are!!!

You hide behind those very words as well though

I don't run in zergs on purpose. I accept the fact that ESO PvP is mostly stupid zergs.

However, I'm not a 16 year old child going to the forums pretending like it's the others that zerg.

Speaking of hiding, how's the slaughtering of PvE zombies going?

This sort of mentality is a problem though, and it's spreading. A lot of small scalers are going " oh well, every one is zerging, I might as well accept i and do the same so that the situation gets even worse". Cyro used to be a place where both large scale/small scale could coexist, I don't see why people are so eager to get rid of small scale.

The PvE zombies are doing fine don't worry, they don't need to put in much effort to pull ridiculous dmg numbers, and they always outnumber me, because I choose not to be a d*** and I don't grab 15 friends to go clear the sewers (not saying you necessarily do)

Assumptions, assumptions!

I can't really help it that nearly every single fight I have in ESO ends with either me being overrun by 20+ enemies or my own faction 'saving' me by running over my enemy with 20+ fellow soldiers. It doesn't matter if you go to the forums pretending like you are small scale, because there is no more small scale in ESO PvP. There's just endless zergs on all factions and loners and small-scalers just trying not to drown.

But a change when it comes to my mentality? No, sorry. I've always surfed the zerg, but I miss different ways of playing in Cyrodiil that do not involve hanging around some zerg and picking off the fat kids.

In short: We both miss and want the same thing. Let's find a Banana to hate on!

Tors

Some of you are really sounding stupid now.

Its basic maths.

There is a single battle ground. All 3 factions are allowed a roughly similar number of players. There are a number of objectives.


There is a limited area in which player can actually go and get a fight. A player must therefore be at once of the keeps/resources, at a crossed sword or on the way to a keep or crossed sword.


With me so far?


The maths is not hard to understand.


Taking to someone in the blue side the other day, they are in a 12 man raid, but they totally discount the two raids from Honour also at the objective. So that’s 3 raids, not a 12 man group. (sorry, we are back to maths, which most of the crying kids have problems with)

Basically, instead of QQ because someone is playing the game going for the objectives as a coordinated team, and not standing in the open land waiting for poor solo people to gank

Either


1) ....Buy a new PC, having seem some of the videos produced by people here, maybe less time playing and more time actually earning so you can get more than 2 FPS. Even in the worst Zerg I rarely go below 20 FPS on a old i7 laptop with a nasty intel/NVidia video chip. On a real machine when I am at home, its 100 FPS. Your "lag" is generally your *** PC. Not the fault of Decimation Elite (don’t be poor)

Really, I cant understand how some people actually post this stuff online, it’s terrible. Its 2016, you should be able to configure the game or your PC to actually work. Windows isn’t new


2) ....Work out that (300 people x 3) / (number of possible objectives) = (very rough number of players in one place).

Therefore if this number is too much for you, then leave Azuras and go elsewhere. There are 4 other battlegrounds with the same rule set, all of the other ones are generally empty and would love the infux of new blood.

If there is lag here (server side, not due to your crappy PC), then you are contributing to it, and if you are bitching about it, then you are not wanted. Move along.

3) ....There are objectives in this game. I’m sure that the green alliance understand this, no other reason for them to take empty castles at night, if you can understand this, then why on earth would you expect a faction NOT to respond to a threat with what forces they have?
Its ok for blues and yellows to come with 70+ people, but reds are allowed a maximum of a single raid?
You sound stupid, even to yourselves you must sound stupid.

4) ....Don’t play in first person, Press "V" and scroll back. Now count how many people are with you. Maybe go into the game settings and configure the game to add the colour of the various factions above a players head. Now count how many have the same colour as you. Enlightening no?

5) ....This game is neither about small scale combat, nor sad arsed duels with FOTM DPS sniping each other from stealth. If that is what you actually want, Go find a game that is.


Oh yeah, quick one for Juhhn,

Lava_Croft

5) This game is about all styles of play, but currently there is one style of playing that is ruining the fun for everybody except zerglings and no faction is free of guilt.

runningtings

Last night was a new lag low for me, I left my group and just played solo. Much more enjoyable, even though I died more times than normal, I also got more legit kills and far less lag.

Jhunn

The amount of stupid things in your post is quite impressive @Tors.

'Sad arsed duels with FOTM DPS sniping each other from stealth', 'green alliance taking empty keeps at night', '300 people x3', blaming our PCs for the lag when your 48 man zerg passes by. If we sound stupid, what do you sound then?

Corzz

I envy you people that can sit and tolerate the likes or Tors and the garbage that comes out of his mouth,

Truth be told they won't stop zerging and playing in such groups the way this game is going is the way to win campaigns if that's what you care about, which is an issue on zenis behalf, but this makes it unplayable so whats the point in winning if your lagging out the server to a point that someone the other side of the map having a 1v1 gets 700 ping because of your ball group.

If you run in these 24 man trains and you don't think your the issue your delusional.

Baragorath

Live and learn or die and learn - if you prefer.

pjwb16_ESO

Baragorath wrote: »

Live and learn or die and learn - if you prefer.

as soon as zenimax will hopefully give us dynamic ulti and the removal of aoe caps along with the ap gain changes coming soon, you will have to ...

Jhunn

Baragorath wrote: »

Live and zerg or die and zerg - if you prefer.

Better now

VagabondAngel

Tors wrote: »

Some of you are really sounding stupid now.
....Some other nonsense....

Worst attitude EU.

Do you even remember PvP when we had small scale fights all over the map? Before a time when every battle called for all faction members to be present and accounted for? I do; such a time existed.

Speaking from an EP perspective:
Too many good players left, too many guilds with potential dissolved.
Campaign zone chat lost some of its (questionable ) celebrities that, like or not, were good for faction morale and direction.
PvP became more obviously neglected in favour of PvE.
PvE players became more powerful in PvP than long-time PvPers (cp grind + PvE loot gear)
IC happened - exodus maximus.

Now we have an altogether different kind of PvPer thanks to changes, mechanics and game changing skill orientations. For the most part this seems to be self entitled and maniacal fotm build PvE heroes who want to gain AP by any means necessary and dress it up as a strategic necessity. It isn't, you know, to those who know who they are in every faction... It is in fact every bit as destructive as the broken mechanics that some mentalities have exploited since the game's launch. You are part of the problem no matter how you try and dress it up, blame others, or laugh it off.

Things continue to slide into the abyss from what I can see and I have not yet decided if I am prepared to "adapt and change" to this new sterile and unskilled meta. I'm sure most, if not all, the real PvP players still out there feel the same as things stand now.

Etaniel

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

Some of you are really sounding stupid now.
....Some other nonsense....

Worst attitude EU.

Do you even remember PvP when we had small scale fights all over the map? Before a time when every battle called for all faction members to be present and accounted for? I do; such a time existed.

Speaking from an EP perspective:
Too many good players left, too many guilds with potential dissolved.
Campaign zone chat lost some of its (questionable ) celebrities that, like or not, were good for faction morale and direction.
PvP became more obviously neglected in favour of PvE.
PvE players became more powerful in PvP than long-time PvPers (cp grind + PvE loot gear)
IC happened - exodus maximus.

Now we have an altogether different kind of PvPer thanks to changes, mechanics and game changing skill orientations. For the most part this seems to be self entitled and maniacal fotm build PvE heroes who want to gain AP by any means necessary and dress it up as a strategic necessity. It isn't, you know, to those who know who they are in every faction... It is in fact every bit as destructive as the broken mechanics that some mentalities have exploited since the game's launch. You are part of the problem no matter how you try and dress it up, blame others, or laugh it off.

Things continue to slide into the abyss from what I can see and I have not yet decided if I am prepared to "adapt and change" to this new sterile and unskilled meta. I'm sure most, if not all, the real PvP players still out there feel the same as things stand now.

Words of truth right there

Jhunn

/signed Niamh

Tors

Bad attitude? No just not stupid nor a hypocrite. (its a big word so take the time to google it)

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Do you even remember PvP when we had small scale fights all over the map? Before a time when every battle called for all faction members to be present and accounted for? I do; such a time existed.
.

This a case of Rose tinted glasses. Small fights were not the norm.


I DO remember MASSIVE battles, hundreds a side till the exploiters took hold and they crippled the game with code designed to stop them.

Who do we have to blame for that (in part)? Enough of us have been here since day 1 to know which groups I am talking about


Crap anti-cheat code aside, when the game lags on entry to your alliance base from outside Cyrodill, then this is not down to the number of people in a zone. And cant be blamed on 2 seperate raids of a single guild.


Elite run 1 teamspeak group and one random group, in different areas going after different objectives. Ooo a server killer!!!


Most of the idiots here calling for small scale fights can be seen running in "the zerg"


Was fun vs the yellow zerg on Allesia bridge last night though. 100k for an hour and a halfs simple healing standing on the bridge while 50+ non-zerging yellows (some with pink tabards btw) threw themseves at 20 reds.


Guess any lag was the reds fault for being there?


LOL

Etaniel

Tors wrote: »

Bad attitude? No just not stupid nor a hypocrite. (its a big word so take the time to google it)

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Do you even remember PvP when we had small scale fights all over the map? Before a time when every battle called for all faction members to be present and accounted for? I do; such a time existed.
.

This a case of Rose tinted glasses. Small fights were not the norm.


I DO remember MASSIVE battles, hundreds a side till the exploiters took hold and they crippled the game with code designed to stop them.

Who do we have to blame for that (in part)? Enough of us have been here since day 1 to know which groups I am talking about


Crap anti-cheat code aside, when the game lags on entry to your alliance base from outside Cyrodill, then this is not down to the number of people in a zone. And cant be blamed on 2 seperate raids of a single guild.


Elite run 1 teamspeak group and one random group, in different areas going after different objectives. Ooo a server killer!!!


Most of the idiots here calling for small scale fights can be seen running in "the zerg"


Was fun vs the yellow zerg on Allesia bridge last night though. 100k for an hour and a halfs simple healing standing on the bridge while 50+ non-zerging yellows (some with pink tabards btw) threw themseves at 20 reds.


Guess any lag was the reds fault for being there?


LOL

Enlighten us, who are those so called exploiters who are responsible for the lag? If I'm not mistaken, the code that crippled the game was to fight bots, not pvp exploiters.

20 reds vs 50 yellows on a bridge? I don't see any colours, all I see are 70 idiots who are too stubborn to admit that they are destroying the game experience.

themdogesbite

,

Tors wrote: »

Bad attitude? No just not stupid nor a hypocrite. (its a big word so take the time to google it)

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Do you even remember PvP when we had small scale fights all over the map? Before a time when every battle called for all faction members to be present and accounted for? I do; such a time existed.
.

This a case of Rose tinted glasses. Small fights were not the norm.

Elite run 1 teamspeak group and one random group, in different areas going after different objectives. Ooo a server killer!!!


Most of the idiots here calling for small scale fights can be seen running in "the zerg"


Was fun vs the yellow zerg on Allesia bridge last night though. 100k for an hour and a halfs simple healing standing on the bridge while 50+ non-zerging yellows (some with pink tabards btw) threw themseves at 20 reds.


Guess any lag was the reds fault for being there?


LOL

Smallscale fights were way more avaible combined with that the game didn't hold your hand as much for running large numbers. In fact i think i spent the majority of 1.4 in groups of 2 - 8 players. It was definetly more the norm then it is now.

One teamspeak group and one random group is up to 48 players, and then add random ungrouped players on top of that. I know you said maths wasnt so difficult but it seems you have a issue calculating that bringing that ammount of people to the same spot will murder the server. And dont tell me that you go for diffrent objectives, thats *** and you know it.

If you saw pink tabbards there it was most likely due to them trying to clear the bridge up, you know when two factions close to entire population is stuck on there there's bound to be latency spikes. So sometimes we go there for a quick clear in hope of getting another 10 min or so with bareable ping. Again, majority of our time in cyrodiil is spent AWAY from our faction. You should try it sometime.

I cant really say for certain about the bridge though, i logged of after i saw your pathetic attempte at stacking your entire faction inside Allesia, but it guess the ping wasnt high enough and we didn't position ourselfs on any un-even ground so no falldamage would kill us. Now thats something to LOL at.

VagabondAngel

Tors wrote: »

This a case of Rose tinted glasses. Small fights were not the norm.

Such was not my assertion. Running in a small group was possible however and likely you would meet other small groups and engage in small group battles. Now being a small group means as soon as you attempt something, it's either PvDoor or you are greeted by 24+ people.

Tors wrote: »

I DO remember MASSIVE battles, hundreds a side....

Indeed. The lag was there too, which is why solo and small group players wandered open world. There were zergers too, naming no legendary names. Its never been popular with those I choose to call "Real PvPers".

The main difference is, it was early days then and many people hoped that the large scale PvP battles touted in the pre-relese bluster would actually be possible. We now know better. Or we should.

Tors wrote: »

till the exploiters took hold and they crippled the game with code designed to stop them.

You're muddying the point. Blobbing and AOE spam have always crippled the server.

You're also missing the point that no-one, apart from possibly Exile, is blaming DE alone for this but your guild has become synonymous with this play style and you even glorify it yourselves - "More people, more fun" - even if that is tongue-in-cheek. The issue many people are taking is defending this like it isn't a problem when it clearly is.

AbraXuSeXile

Ive stopped caring.

Isbilen

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm impressed I specifically managed to hit exactly you in all of the 12 DC that were at Bleakers.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

When there's at least 50 12 DC outside Bleakers, Meteor is a very compelling argument.

Yes that must have been quite the feat being able to target me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktKe2-HLWfI

Leandor

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Now we have an altogether different kind of PvPer thanks to changes, mechanics and game changing skill orientations. For the most part this seems to be self entitled and maniacal fotm build PvE heroes who want to gain AP by any means necessary and dress it up as a strategic necessity.

After seeing a guy on EP bitchin' for a full hour in zone chat (maybe even longer but I then put it on my ignore list) asking for an invite to an "AP zerg" [sic.], resorting to foul language and in the end insults of the worst caliber - remember, he was trying to get invited into a group - I know exactly what you mean by that statement.

Sad.

Jhunn

Potato PC @Isbilen

Tors

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Ive stopped caring.

Maybe but but I did just see an amazing video

Which shows that some people DO care. A little bit too much I think....

Anyway, Decimation Elite are honored that there are people willing to take the time out of their busy lives to make stuff like this.


Its just a pity that the server has been brought down right now due to issues introduced from the nana squads lag bombs.

Anyway, here is a nice picture of what happens when you run solo as a red. Taken 5 mins before server down.

Prize to the person who can count the yellows (+- 10/20) !!!!

themdogesbite

Tors wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Ive stopped caring.

Maybe but but I did just see an amazing video

Which shows that some people DO care. A little bit too much I think....

Anyway, Decimation Elite are honored that there are people willing to take the time out of their busy lives to make stuff like this.


Its just a pity that the server has been brought down right now due to issues introduced from the nana squads lag bombs.

Anyway, here is a nice picture of what happens when you run solo as a red. Taken 5 mins before server down.

Prize to the person who can count the yellows (+- 10/20) !!!!

Majority of our players in guild can't find a reason to log on to play when the servers beyond ***. Nice try though im sure someone almost lauged.

Thats what happens no matter which faction you are in. Diffrence is theese people on your screen are most likely not even organsied. Your guild on the other hand are. Just look how healthy the ping is compared to when you have a group up!

Tors

My pings always great, i'm backed directly onto Janet if that means anything to you. Janet is the backbone for University's and the NHS in the UK, and due to my job, I have totally unrestricted access, so imagine a 1GB wired connection with 1Gb download AND upload with zero jitters and no nasty packet shaping or restrictions.

My ping should not be in the hundreds, it should be 10 to 17 on a bad day....


My laptop however is utter crap. (hence the FPS)



By the way, why is it ok for the yellows to bring the numbers and not the reds again?


Your logic confuses me.


You saying that its ok for yellows, because they are randoms but NOT ok for red randoms to do the same?