Vehemence Guild Video #2

x99Needles

Poxheart wrote: »

Respect is a two way street which is why I suggested you omit your TS audio from future videos.

It must be disappointing to have waited 3 years to play this game only to haver he PvP wither in a year.

Expressing joy doesn't negate respect, you can enjoy a victory and "smack talk" it doesn't take away from your opponents. You can try finding a post from a VE member bashing someone else's video. You won't find it . I hope the TS of our enemies is just as jubilant when they stand victorious over us, there's no shame in it. I still enjoy the game thank you.

Teargrants

I see forum tears have killed most of the fresh water fish, leaving only salt water bottom dwellers.

Those that are offended, just wait for the Xv1 video, I believe it will feature this song in commemoration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPupNNnexIg

Germtrocity

At the end of the day, the videos of large scale groups will always be appraised by your own faction alliance members for the most part, which in turn makes it seem like a massive circle jerk to the other faction alliance members, thus even more animosity is generated.

Group play will always be nice for the faction doing it, but I guarantee that *almost* NO one else wants to see this, and they will take it as an opportunity to troll and take jabs at the posting faction. It happens in any and every group video posted, regardless of faction.

Personally, I am not a supporter of participating in group play, though I have done a bit of it, and even enjoyed some of it, back when Agrippa was leading Hijinx, and the Mega Best Friends group were always a blast, though neither of those were ever zergs. Mega Best Friends was always small group from my experience, and Hijinx as well were small group for the most part.

But on the other hand, I do encourage people to do group play. For some reason (this is my exclusive experience), people who run in large groups tend to get larger egos than other players, and lead to me being able to slaughter them wholly when I encounter them just a bit astray from their group. One of the most hilarious times I remembered to screen shot it, and will always laugh whenever I see any of the members that joined into this bloodbath, EVEN with them being on the faction I main and regularly play for.



There have been other times where I have taken on anywhwere from 2/3/4/5/6/7/8 members of groups like this at a time that would otherwise consider themselves "elite" and completely embarrassed them. Though I simply get pleasure from seeing the players squirm when faced with the reality that their "l33tness" was squashed.


I remember catching Like a Bulbasir, Kirin Blaze, and a third Vehemence member alone one time and taking them on a good little humility trip multiple times outside of bleakers one day in a bunch of 1v3s which all ended with me as the victor.

Though in hindsight, perhaps me squashing players that consider themselves so elite leads them to lean towards group play? Oh well

Winnamine

Great video, if we ever manage to get a Deci group to stay together that well, I swear to god I will screenshot it and make it our guild website background.

My favorite part was someone yelling, "Get that ****ing tea pot!"

Edit: I guess this explains why WRX kept telling everyone not to end up in a video last night...

Mako1132

Winnamine wrote: »

Great video, if we ever manage to get a Deci group to stay together that well, I swear to god I will screenshot it and make it our guild website background.

My favorite part was someone yelling, "Get that ****ing tea pot!"

Edit: I guess this explains why WRX kept telling everyone not to end up in a video last night...

I'm in too many videos on the internet already........ last thing is I need my game character to be in internet videos as well....

Agrippa_Invisus

Germtrocity wrote: »

At the end of the day, the videos of large scale groups will always be appraised by your own faction alliance members for the most part, which in turn makes it seem like a massive circle jerk to the other faction alliance members, thus even more animosity is generated.

Group play will always be nice for the faction doing it, but I guarantee that *almost* NO one else wants to see this, and they will take it as an opportunity to troll and take jabs at the posting faction. It happens in any and every group video posted, regardless of faction.

Personally, I am not a supporter of participating in group play, though I have done a bit of it, and even enjoyed some of it, back when Agrippa was leading Hijinx, and the Mega Best Friends group were always a blast, though neither of those were ever zergs. Mega Best Friends was always small group from my experience, and Hijinx as well were small group for the most part.

But on the other hand, I do encourage people to do group play. For some reason (this is my exclusive experience), people who run in large groups tend to get larger egos than other players, and lead to me being able to slaughter them wholly when I encounter them just a bit astray from their group. One of the most hilarious times I remembered to screen shot it, and will always laugh whenever I see any of the members that joined into this bloodbath, EVEN with them being on the faction I main and regularly play for.



There have been other times where I have taken on anywhwere from 2/3/4/5/6/7/8 members of groups like this at a time that would otherwise consider themselves "elite" and completely embarrassed them. Though I simply get pleasure from seeing the players squirm when faced with the reality that their "l33tness" was squashed.


I remember catching Like a Bulbasir, Kirin Blaze, and a third Vehemence member alone one time and taking them on a good little humility trip multiple times outside of bleakers one day in a bunch of 1v3s which all ended with me as the victor.

Though in hindsight, perhaps me squashing players that consider themselves so elite leads them to lean towards group play? Oh well

NIce screenshot.

What context is that in? Did you get a good prox. det in on them or what happened there?

What I would like to point out, and is OFTEN lost in the shuffle, is that these group based players are often running builds that sacrifice a lot of personal capability and survivability to be able to fight in their teams. They work as interlocking pieces and not self contained units intentionally, that leaves some of those builds and group members extremely, extremely susceptible to 1vXing and 1v1ing.

As an example, I ran with TSym briefly back in the day and I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go out solo in the group build that was necessary for Coron Bale's team. 1v1 and even 1vX it was trash. It was utterly useless and couldn't solo a wolf except with heavy attacks. When locked together in the full raid, at the height of the TSym meta, that guild could take V4s and flatten full raids of highly experienced players because they were part of a bigger puzzle that was a greater whole than the sum of its parts. Hijinx did this often as well (my old Hijinx build was basically Impulse / Talons alternating spam on one bar and a raft of support abilities on the other), and many of us would completely regear just to walk out solo.

In 1.4, for example, I'd get TRASHED by a Sypher clone (and Sypher himself, of course) if I ran into them 1v1 with my group build. It was the way of the world.

Add to that my (and many other group players) 1v1 skills are pretty rusty. We usually don't spend hours on end dueling or soloing. And for the same reason I'm not good at the violin, I'm not good at that. No practice = no perfection.

OTOH, I watched a stream of Sypher trying to help Aetcha push hard for emperor on their AD toons. They got a bunch of Legend guys and people they trusted as good players and formed a near full raid.

And they got wiped over and over and over and over again by the Nexus raid. Why? They didn't have the practice and the tactical experience to handle it. Great players, one and all, but they did not have the builds that complimented each other. They did not have the organization to insure they had those skills firing off, and in the end it didn't work.

And there's nothing there in that anecdote that makes any of those players bad at the game, they just did not meet that one objective.

And that's how Cyrodiil is.

I just wanted to bring some of my own personal perspective to this in, hopefully, a constructive manner.

Manoekin

I might need to start recording so everyone can see my amazing heals.

Mako1132

Manoekin wrote: »

I might need to start recording so everyone can see my amazing heals.

Please don't.... you'll show everyone how terribad I am.

Germtrocity

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

NIce screenshot.

What context is that in? Did you get a good prox. det in on them or what happened there?

What I would like to point out, and is OFTEN lost in the shuffle, is that these group based players are often running builds that sacrifice a lot of personal capability and survivability to be able to fight in their teams. They work as interlocking pieces and not self contained units intentionally, that leaves some of those builds and group members extremely, extremely susceptible to 1vXing and 1v1ing.

As an example, I ran with TSym briefly back in the day and I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go out solo in the group build that was necessary for Coron Bale's team. 1v1 and even 1vX it was trash. It was utterly useless and couldn't solo a wolf except with heavy attacks. When locked together in the full raid, at the height of the TSym meta, that guild could take V4s and flatten full raids of highly experienced players because they were part of a bigger puzzle that was a greater whole than the sum of its parts. Hijinx did this often as well (my old Hijinx build was basically Impulse / Talons alternating spam on one bar and a raft of support abilities on the other), and many of us would completely regear just to walk out solo.

In 1.4, for example, I'd get TRASHED by a Sypher clone (and Sypher himself, of course) if I ran into them 1v1 with my group build. It was the way of the world.

The context of that fight was that I was being pursued by Havoc, and I was going to try to get away and rez my partner because I was duoing at the time this occured. THEY pursued and ASKED for the fight. My build setup allows me to kite and streak indefinitely, so I was very happy with just getting enough distance between myself and them so that I would be able to rez my partner and we could continue fighting AD (we weren't even in EP territory).

They decided to pursue, in hopes of me running out of magicka streaking (which won't happen anyways), and simply enough, I got tired of it. So I turned around and absolutely obliterated their healers, and from there it was a slaughter.

And this was just me, just them. I was perfectly happy with getting away and rezzing my partner and continuing along my merry way. THEY messed with the bull, they got the horns, the 1v5 horns.


It is a shame you were on leave during the time I played more for the DC side, Agrippa, you would have been shocked how many accusations I received of being a cheater and a hacker by EP. And you should know more than anyone how untrue they were, since you saw me back when I was still learning the game when I joined Hijinx

Winnamine

Leovolao wrote: »

C0pp3rhead wrote: »

Excellent video, @x99Needles.
The last fight in the video shows VE's skill: fighting superior numbers, our tactics and teamwork won the battle.

I would love to see some of the haters try to function in a large group. It takes alot of coordination to pull off what we can do - that is, outmaneuver our enemies while taking and defending keeps against superior numbers. We back-cap for fun.

@Da Sandman Find me something to teabag.

Love it.

I'm not hating on that play style because I do it too but let's be real here, any person with half a brain can function in a large group if he/she is not wearing the crown.

I agree and yet... so many are so bad at it.
How many people have we had who are all like, crown? what is crown? but I'm busy single targeting guards with my bow....

Manoekin

Germtrocity wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

NIce screenshot.

What context is that in? Did you get a good prox. det in on them or what happened there?

What I would like to point out, and is OFTEN lost in the shuffle, is that these group based players are often running builds that sacrifice a lot of personal capability and survivability to be able to fight in their teams. They work as interlocking pieces and not self contained units intentionally, that leaves some of those builds and group members extremely, extremely susceptible to 1vXing and 1v1ing.

As an example, I ran with TSym briefly back in the day and I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go out solo in the group build that was necessary for Coron Bale's team. 1v1 and even 1vX it was trash. It was utterly useless and couldn't solo a wolf except with heavy attacks. When locked together in the full raid, at the height of the TSym meta, that guild could take V4s and flatten full raids of highly experienced players because they were part of a bigger puzzle that was a greater whole than the sum of its parts. Hijinx did this often as well (my old Hijinx build was basically Impulse / Talons alternating spam on one bar and a raft of support abilities on the other), and many of us would completely regear just to walk out solo.

In 1.4, for example, I'd get TRASHED by a Sypher clone (and Sypher himself, of course) if I ran into them 1v1 with my group build. It was the way of the world.

The context of that fight was that I was being pursued by Havoc, and I was going to try to get away and rez my partner because I was duoing at the time this occured. THEY pursued and ASKED for the fight. My build setup allows me to kite and streak indefinitely, so I was very happy with just getting enough distance between myself and them so that I would be able to rez my partner and we could continue fighting AD (we weren't even in EP territory).

They decided to pursue, in hopes of me running out of magicka streaking (which won't happen anyways), and simply enough, I got tired of it. So I turned around and absolutely obliterated their healers, and from there it was a slaughter.

And this was just me, just them. I was perfectly happy with getting away and rezzing my partner and continuing along my merry way. THEY messed with the bull, they got the horns, the 1v5 horns.


It is a shame you were on leave during the time I played more for the DC side, Agrippa, you would have been shocked how many accusations I received of being a cheater and a hacker by EP. And you should know more than anyone how untrue they were, since you saw me back when I was still learning the game when I joined Hijinx

This is now a nerf sorc thread. Continue, please.

Winnamine

Manoekin wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

NIce screenshot.

What context is that in? Did you get a good prox. det in on them or what happened there?

What I would like to point out, and is OFTEN lost in the shuffle, is that these group based players are often running builds that sacrifice a lot of personal capability and survivability to be able to fight in their teams. They work as interlocking pieces and not self contained units intentionally, that leaves some of those builds and group members extremely, extremely susceptible to 1vXing and 1v1ing.

As an example, I ran with TSym briefly back in the day and I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go out solo in the group build that was necessary for Coron Bale's team. 1v1 and even 1vX it was trash. It was utterly useless and couldn't solo a wolf except with heavy attacks. When locked together in the full raid, at the height of the TSym meta, that guild could take V4s and flatten full raids of highly experienced players because they were part of a bigger puzzle that was a greater whole than the sum of its parts. Hijinx did this often as well (my old Hijinx build was basically Impulse / Talons alternating spam on one bar and a raft of support abilities on the other), and many of us would completely regear just to walk out solo.

In 1.4, for example, I'd get TRASHED by a Sypher clone (and Sypher himself, of course) if I ran into them 1v1 with my group build. It was the way of the world.

The context of that fight was that I was being pursued by Havoc, and I was going to try to get away and rez my partner because I was duoing at the time this occured. THEY pursued and ASKED for the fight. My build setup allows me to kite and streak indefinitely, so I was very happy with just getting enough distance between myself and them so that I would be able to rez my partner and we could continue fighting AD (we weren't even in EP territory).

They decided to pursue, in hopes of me running out of magicka streaking (which won't happen anyways), and simply enough, I got tired of it. So I turned around and absolutely obliterated their healers, and from there it was a slaughter.

And this was just me, just them. I was perfectly happy with getting away and rezzing my partner and continuing along my merry way. THEY messed with the bull, they got the horns, the 1v5 horns.


It is a shame you were on leave during the time I played more for the DC side, Agrippa, you would have been shocked how many accusations I received of being a cheater and a hacker by EP. And you should know more than anyone how untrue they were, since you saw me back when I was still learning the game when I joined Hijinx

This is now a nerf sorc thread. Continue, please.

Oh gawd
Now we're going to have Ezareth and Teargrants up in here
And they'll be talking sorc things that I don't understand

x99Needles

Winnamine wrote: »

Great video, if we ever manage to get a Deci group to stay together that well, I swear to god I will screenshot it and make it our guild website background.

My favorite part was someone yelling, "Get that ****ing tea pot!"

Edit: I guess this explains why WRX kept telling everyone not to end up in a video last night...

You guys had us whooped last night no need to fear a video lol

x99Needles

Germtrocity wrote: »

At the end of the day, the videos of large scale groups will always be appraised by your own faction alliance members for the most part, which in turn makes it seem like a massive circle jerk to the other faction alliance members, thus even more animosity is generated.

Group play will always be nice for the faction doing it, but I guarantee that *almost* NO one else wants to see this, and they will take it as an opportunity to troll and take jabs at the posting faction. It happens in any and every group video posted, regardless of faction.

Personally, I am not a supporter of participating in group play, though I have done a bit of it, and even enjoyed some of it, back when Agrippa was leading Hijinx, and the Mega Best Friends group were always a blast, though neither of those were ever zergs. Mega Best Friends was always small group from my experience, and Hijinx as well were small group for the most part.

But on the other hand, I do encourage people to do group play. For some reason (this is my exclusive experience), people who run in large groups tend to get larger egos than other players, and lead to me being able to slaughter them wholly when I encounter them just a bit astray from their group. One of the most hilarious times I remembered to screen shot it, and will always laugh whenever I see any of the members that joined into this bloodbath, EVEN with them being on the faction I main and regularly play for.



There have been other times where I have taken on anywhwere from 2/3/4/5/6/7/8 members of groups like this at a time that would otherwise consider themselves "elite" and completely embarrassed them. Though I simply get pleasure from seeing the players squirm when faced with the reality that their "l33tness" was squashed.


I remember catching Like a Bulbasir, Kirin Blaze, and a third Vehemence member alone one time and taking them on a good little humility trip multiple times outside of bleakers one day in a bunch of 1v3s which all ended with me as the victor.

Though in hindsight, perhaps me squashing players that consider themselves so elite leads them to lean towards group play? Oh well

LOL you mean when we were in stam builds in 1.5 that sucked just messing around and I said let me come back in magicka and you ran away? Thought so. You're nothing but a troll.

Winnamine

x99Needles wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Great video, if we ever manage to get a Deci group to stay together that well, I swear to god I will screenshot it and make it our guild website background.

My favorite part was someone yelling, "Get that ****ing tea pot!"

Edit: I guess this explains why WRX kept telling everyone not to end up in a video last night...

You guys had us whooped last night no need to fear a video lol

We were taking no chances last night lol
But seriously, you guys look good out there, I like the vid

Germtrocity

x99Needles wrote: »

LOL you mean when we were in stam builds in 1.5 that sucked just messing around and I said let me come back in magicka and you ran away? Thought so. You're nothing but a troll.

I have killed you countless times in open world with magicka build, where I was the only person vs you and multiple others, and if you are challenging me, I will gladly stomp you again. I just ask that you upload it again after you lose.

Sanct16

I really liked the first clips where you were fighting with a smaller group. Would've liked to see more of these clips instead of some of the clips with a full raid as these fights felt way more challenging. If you have a full raid everything is just kinda easymode, especially as you are barely outnumbered in these clips.

Teargrants

Winnamine wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

NIce screenshot.

What context is that in? Did you get a good prox. det in on them or what happened there?

What I would like to point out, and is OFTEN lost in the shuffle, is that these group based players are often running builds that sacrifice a lot of personal capability and survivability to be able to fight in their teams. They work as interlocking pieces and not self contained units intentionally, that leaves some of those builds and group members extremely, extremely susceptible to 1vXing and 1v1ing.

As an example, I ran with TSym briefly back in the day and I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go out solo in the group build that was necessary for Coron Bale's team. 1v1 and even 1vX it was trash. It was utterly useless and couldn't solo a wolf except with heavy attacks. When locked together in the full raid, at the height of the TSym meta, that guild could take V4s and flatten full raids of highly experienced players because they were part of a bigger puzzle that was a greater whole than the sum of its parts. Hijinx did this often as well (my old Hijinx build was basically Impulse / Talons alternating spam on one bar and a raft of support abilities on the other), and many of us would completely regear just to walk out solo.

In 1.4, for example, I'd get TRASHED by a Sypher clone (and Sypher himself, of course) if I ran into them 1v1 with my group build. It was the way of the world.

The context of that fight was that I was being pursued by Havoc, and I was going to try to get away and rez my partner because I was duoing at the time this occured. THEY pursued and ASKED for the fight. My build setup allows me to kite and streak indefinitely, so I was very happy with just getting enough distance between myself and them so that I would be able to rez my partner and we could continue fighting AD (we weren't even in EP territory).

They decided to pursue, in hopes of me running out of magicka streaking (which won't happen anyways), and simply enough, I got tired of it. So I turned around and absolutely obliterated their healers, and from there it was a slaughter.

And this was just me, just them. I was perfectly happy with getting away and rezzing my partner and continuing along my merry way. THEY messed with the bull, they got the horns, the 1v5 horns.


It is a shame you were on leave during the time I played more for the DC side, Agrippa, you would have been shocked how many accusations I received of being a cheater and a hacker by EP. And you should know more than anyone how untrue they were, since you saw me back when I was still learning the game when I joined Hijinx

This is now a nerf sorc thread. Continue, please.

Oh gawd
Now we're going to have Ezareth and Teargrants up in here
And they'll be talking sorc things that I don't understand

MormondPayne_EP

Caza99 wrote: »

CITADALO wrote: »

Another BS video of impulse monkeys spamming one key.

Another BS comment with absolutely no point to it.

Much like this whole thread.

Caza99

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

CITADALO wrote: »

Another BS video of impulse monkeys spamming one key.

Another BS comment with absolutely no point to it.

Much like this whole thread.

It had one to begin with....then somehow it exploded into a 5 page hate and troll thread.

x99Needles

Germtrocity wrote: »

x99Needles wrote: »

LOL you mean when we were in stam builds in 1.5 that sucked just messing around and I said let me come back in magicka and you ran away? Thought so. You're nothing but a troll.

I have killed you countless times in open world with magicka build, where I was the only person vs you and multiple others, and if you are challenging me, I will gladly stomp you again. I just ask that you upload it again after you lose.

LOL no, you haven't. We never fight, I don't waste time with an useless backline ganker. Last time I saw you I rolled you and your GF. Oh wait, thats not a thing anymore right? Sorry.

Leovolao

x99Needles wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

x99Needles wrote: »

LOL you mean when we were in stam builds in 1.5 that sucked just messing around and I said let me come back in magicka and you ran away? Thought so. You're nothing but a troll.

I have killed you countless times in open world with magicka build, where I was the only person vs you and multiple others, and if you are challenging me, I will gladly stomp you again. I just ask that you upload it again after you lose.

LOL no, you haven't. We never fight, I don't waste time with an useless backline ganker. Last time I saw you I rolled you and your GF. Oh wait, thats not a thing anymore right? Sorry.

Cheap shot

Satiar

Germantrocity, you're a fine sorc. I've fought you plenty enough to know that. Why you think you need to use this thread to pump yourself up I do not know. You're good enough to go kill some people, make your own video and accept the forthcoming accolades thereof.

And yeah, if I run into you on my group spec I'm probably toast. I used to do that to people back in 1.2. I probably laughed at the baddies trying to solo impulse me down without realizing they were built for an entirely different sort of combat. At a certain point builds stop being about personal 1v1 combat and more about specialization. You build for pure damage because someone else is building to keep you alive, and someone else is built to keep you mobile, etc. You're smart enough to know this.

Germtrocity

x99Needles wrote: »

LOL no, you haven't. We never fight, I don't waste time with an useless backline ganker. Last time I saw you I rolled you and your GF. Oh wait, thats not a thing anymore right? Sorry.

Well if you rolled me then it shouldn't be hard to do it again, right? You may have completely ignored my comment about you challenging me, and since that is the case (also you waited until I assume you thought I would be asleep to even comment? Not sure on that one...), I will go ahead and ask you to come fight me 1v1

Since you rolled me and someone else at the same time, a simple 1v1 with me should demolish me, correct? I can't wait to see the vid you post of you destroying me 1v1

Satiar

I'm pretty sure he ignored your comment about a challenge because coming into a thread that's not about you in any way and trash talking your way into a 1v1 challenge is kinda ridiculous. I'm not shy about fights and I wouldn't take you up on that just on general principle.

Sanct16

With 1.6 the requirement of individual skill got lowered significantly but still you have to be stupid if you think that it doesnt matter how good the players in your group are.
The leader can't call out everything, he can't see everything. You need people who can still think themselves while following the crown.

Xsorus

I remember before 1.6 when sorcs would just whine about bow and snipe, now they are just so jumpy

Germtrocity

Satiar wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he ignored your comment about a challenge because coming into a thread that's not about you in any way and trash talking your way into a 1v1 challenge is kinda ridiculous. I'm not shy about fights and I wouldn't take you up on that just on general principle.

He said I ran from a fight, which I would never, and to try to keep my honor as a player, I would like to make his allegations of me running away right by challenging him to a fair 1 on 1 fight.
I may be trash talker, but I am not a coward.

Satiar

I mean, you're a sorc. Ive yet to meet one that doesn't run away from plenty of fights!

Teargrants calls it kiting but I know the truth.

Observant

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Germtrocity wrote: »

At the end of the day, the videos of large scale groups will always be appraised by your own faction alliance members for the most part, which in turn makes it seem like a massive circle jerk to the other faction alliance members, thus even more animosity is generated.

Group play will always be nice for the faction doing it, but I guarantee that *almost* NO one else wants to see this, and they will take it as an opportunity to troll and take jabs at the posting faction. It happens in any and every group video posted, regardless of faction.

Personally, I am not a supporter of participating in group play, though I have done a bit of it, and even enjoyed some of it, back when Agrippa was leading Hijinx, and the Mega Best Friends group were always a blast, though neither of those were ever zergs. Mega Best Friends was always small group from my experience, and Hijinx as well were small group for the most part.

But on the other hand, I do encourage people to do group play. For some reason (this is my exclusive experience), people who run in large groups tend to get larger egos than other players, and lead to me being able to slaughter them wholly when I encounter them just a bit astray from their group. One of the most hilarious times I remembered to screen shot it, and will always laugh whenever I see any of the members that joined into this bloodbath, EVEN with them being on the faction I main and regularly play for.



There have been other times where I have taken on anywhwere from 2/3/4/5/6/7/8 members of groups like this at a time that would otherwise consider themselves "elite" and completely embarrassed them. Though I simply get pleasure from seeing the players squirm when faced with the reality that their "l33tness" was squashed.


I remember catching Like a Bulbasir, Kirin Blaze, and a third Vehemence member alone one time and taking them on a good little humility trip multiple times outside of bleakers one day in a bunch of 1v3s which all ended with me as the victor.

Though in hindsight, perhaps me squashing players that consider themselves so elite leads them to lean towards group play? Oh well

NIce screenshot.

What context is that in? Did you get a good prox. det in on them or what happened there?

What I would like to point out, and is OFTEN lost in the shuffle, is that these group based players are often running builds that sacrifice a lot of personal capability and survivability to be able to fight in their teams. They work as interlocking pieces and not self contained units intentionally, that leaves some of those builds and group members extremely, extremely susceptible to 1vXing and 1v1ing.

As an example, I ran with TSym briefly back in the day and I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go out solo in the group build that was necessary for Coron Bale's team. 1v1 and even 1vX it was trash. It was utterly useless and couldn't solo a wolf except with heavy attacks. When locked together in the full raid, at the height of the TSym meta, that guild could take V4s and flatten full raids of highly experienced players because they were part of a bigger puzzle that was a greater whole than the sum of its parts. Hijinx did this often as well (my old Hijinx build was basically Impulse / Talons alternating spam on one bar and a raft of support abilities on the other), and many of us would completely regear just to walk out solo.

In 1.4, for example, I'd get TRASHED by a Sypher clone (and Sypher himself, of course) if I ran into them 1v1 with my group build. It was the way of the world.

Add to that my (and many other group players) 1v1 skills are pretty rusty. We usually don't spend hours on end dueling or soloing. And for the same reason I'm not good at the violin, I'm not good at that. No practice = no perfection.

OTOH, I watched a stream of Sypher trying to help Aetcha push hard for emperor on their AD toons. They got a bunch of Legend guys and people they trusted as good players and formed a near full raid.

And they got wiped over and over and over and over again by the Nexus raid. Why? They didn't have the practice and the tactical experience to handle it. Great players, one and all, but they did not have the builds that complimented each other. They did not have the organization to insure they had those skills firing off, and in the end it didn't work.

And there's nothing there in that anecdote that makes any of those players bad at the game, they just did not meet that one objective.

And that's how Cyrodiil is.

I just wanted to bring some of my own personal perspective to this in, hopefully, a constructive manner.

Very well spoken, Agrippa. Thanks for posting this.