[POLL]The main Templar heal "Rushed" Ceremony/BoL now has a cast time. Should it be renamed?

Yolokin_Swagonborn

In case you haven't been following along in the 27 page Templar Broken Skills and Bugs thread that has over 700 replies, we have learned something important.

According to the development team, the Templar Ability "Rushed" Ceremony (Morphs to Honor the Dead/Breath of Life) has been given a slight cast time in update in 1.6 The ability was instant cast in 1.5.

Although the development team first identified this change as a bug (i.e. unintended) is is now being touted as a feature (i.e intended change in 1.6) although it was not mentioned in the 1.6 patch notes. Here is the relevant quote.

Rushed Ceremony has a noticeable animation delay.

The launch frame of this ability is just slower than some of the other abilities by design.[Emphasis Added] Since Rushed Ceremony is already very powerful, we’re ok with the fact that part of the skill of using this ability effectively is being able to anticipate damage.

On behalf of the launch of this new "feature" and with the obvious need to update the tooltip stating that this is no longer an "instant cast" spell, I would like to field ideas for a new name for this ability.

"Rushed Ceremony" is no longer an apt name as this ability no longer fits the roll as an instant heal and the animation feels anything but "rushed."

So what do you think "Rushed" Ceremony should be renamed to?

Edit: The Forum Templars have spoken! We have a clear winner at 39% of the vote at the time of this writing. Thank you to everyone who contributed.

Here is the mockup of the New Tooltip for this quixotic templar ability based on your feedback. This is a much more accurate description of how this ability functions currently.



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Heromofo

Other

It shouldn't have a cast time at all.......

Garion

Lethargic Ceremony

LOL!

In all seriousness this is the kind of crap ZOS shouldn't be pulling. Don't break something and tell us it is broken, only to then tout it as a feature. You might as well just come out and say it - you think we are stupid.

technohic

Breath of Lag

Yeah, this was poorly handled and to me it says "We cannot fix it or just don't have the time, so we'll just call it a feature and we are all good then; right?"

One of those things where I still use the ability and its still powerful, but my faith in development of the game takes a huge hit as it comes across as lazy or inept.

TheSunAlsoRises

Other

there are other spells/skills in the game that are listed as "instant" but have delay like NB teleport strike. i thought this change was done a long time ago? i remember in beta/release it was actually instant and then 2 patches or so after release they added the lag.

yes, it would be nice if it was actually instant. maybe they just need to make the arm wave your character does that much faster..

NewBlacksmurf

Other

Just play the dang game and adjust as needed.
Point out bugs and keep it moving.

Addihul

Honor the Dead Teammates I couldn't Heal in Time

Animation cancelling for the win

technohic

Breath of Lag

TheSunAlsoRises wrote: »

there are other spells/skills in the game that are listed as "instant" but have delay like NB teleport strike. i thought this change was done a long time ago? i remember in beta/release it was actually instant and then 2 patches or so after release they added the lag.

yes, it would be nice if it was actually instant. maybe they just need to make the arm wave your character does that much faster..

You mean this hand wave?

BBSooner

I'd probably consider any ceremony that happened under a few seconds to be rushed. If we're to rename it, lets call it "more-appropriatly-lengthed-yet-still-fairly-quick ceremony" and give it a minute or two cast time.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Botched Ceremony

BBSooner wrote: »

I'd probably consider any ceremony that happened under a few seconds to be rushed. If we're to rename it, lets call it "more-appropriatly-lenged-yet-still-fairly-quick ceremony" and give it a minute or two cast time.

So in other words, Healing Ritual? Which is a 2 second cast time heal that no templar uses because it's a 2 second cast time heal?

You are in luck. Healing Ritual II is one of the poll options!

BBSooner

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

I'd probably consider any ceremony that happened under a few seconds to be rushed. If we're to rename it, lets call it "more-appropriatly-lenged-yet-still-fairly-quick ceremony" and give it a minute or two cast time.

So in other words, Healing Ritual? Which is a 2 second cast time heal that no templar uses because it's a 2 second cast time heal?

You are in luck. Healing Ritual II is one of the poll options!

Well we're talking about a ceremony here, not a ritual. Though that ritual sounds fairly rushed as well.

jkemmery

Other

It should be named "Quit whining because Templars are ridiculously OP at the moment, yet we whine when we get a small nerf QQ"

Deome

Other

Of all the things about this to poll, I find insulting names the least helpful way to address it.

Here's something that would be useful: Update the tooltip to reflect the cast time. Until now, I never saw it. If I'm going to be dealing with cast times while healing, I might as well use Healing Ritual instead of some laggy (without correct tooltips, it looks like lag, not a feature) heal. At least that fires off in a time span I can anticipate.

oddavi

OMG LOL !
all those answers

djyrb

Other

Ritual of Bug Rebirth (to Feature)

firstdecan

Honor the Dead Teammates I couldn't Heal in Time

Love the poll, but ZoS hates sarcasm.

In before threadlock.

david.haypreub18_ESO

Breath of Lag

That's the post where Gina gave us the new motto for the Templar class:

Templars: 'just slower... by design'.

Soris

Honor the Dead Teammates I couldn't Heal in Time

All of the above!
And animation cancel ftw!

Would like to see delay on Ball of Lighting or dodge roll. It would be hilarious to watch forum burn

nastuug

Honor the Dead Teammates I couldn't Heal in Time

firstdecan wrote: »

Love the poll, but ZoS hates sarcasm.

In before threadlock.

^^^

Cinbri

Other

Lay on Hands coz now you can count only on your hands and reaction, not on this smart healing.

Hypertionb14_ESO

Honor the Dead Teammates I couldn't Heal in Time

Ha!

on a side note, you can animation cancel this to make it INSTANT.

its not a true cast time, just a long animation.

MCMancub

How is this any different than all of the other "instant" abilities that have slower animation times?

Cinbri

Other

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

Ha!

on a side note, you can animation cancel this to make it INSTANT.

its not a true cast time, just a long animation.

Well, try to do animation cancelling while lags(i.e. most of time). If you will try to do it - spell cancelled, not blockcasted. Thats why in lags i not using animation cancelling with BoL.

MCMancub

Cinbri wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

Ha!

on a side note, you can animation cancel this to make it INSTANT.

its not a true cast time, just a long animation.

Well, try to do animation cancelling while lags(i.e. most of time). If you will try to do it - spell cancelled, not blockcasted. Thats why in lags i not using animation cancelling with BoL.

If you're lagging then it won't be cast instantly anyways...

Bad argument is bad argument.

Naivefanboi

Other

Lmao just more justifcation for why I havent spent a penny since January .
Thats a bug, oh wait nope thats working as intended, they so similar get them mixed up sometimes ...

Atreust

Honor the Dead Teammates I couldn't Heal in Time

jkemmery wrote: »

It should be named "Quit whining because Templars are ridiculously OP at the moment, yet we whine when we get a small nerf QQ"

Are you joking? Do you play PVP? Templars are the weakest class by far. I still hold my own through much more effort than it takes playing a sorc or NB. Ridiculously OP is a ridiculous claim. I'll give you that stamina temp dps is very competitive now in PVE, but all we're trying to do is get our bugged skills fixed, not buffed.

Also, amazing thread Yolokin, love the suggestions.

TheSunAlsoRises

Other

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

I'd probably consider any ceremony that happened under a few seconds to be rushed. If we're to rename it, lets call it "more-appropriatly-lenged-yet-still-fairly-quick ceremony" and give it a minute or two cast time.

So in other words, Healing Ritual? Which is a 2 second cast time heal that no templar uses because it's a 2 second cast time heal?

You are in luck. Healing Ritual II is one of the poll options!

i actually use the 1.2 second (or whatever) morph situationally (apparently this is not a real word) because it heals massively and i have high crit on top of that.

SeptimusDova

Honor the Dead Teammates I couldn't Heal in Time

Any more delay and it should be called AFK.


Jkemmery If you can't say nothing nice and just troll then don't say anything at all.

jkemmery wrote: »

It should be named "Quit whining because Templars are ridiculously OP at the moment, yet we whine when we get a small nerf QQ"

Bugs are not nerfs.

timidobserver

Lethargic Ceremony

jkemmery wrote: »

It should be named "Quit whining because Templars are ridiculously OP at the moment, yet we whine when we get a small nerf QQ"

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171130/updated-poll-strongest-class-in-pvp#patent

Psychobunni

Honor the Dead Teammates I couldn't Heal in Time

although Breath of Failure would work too

All LOL aside, the handling is really telling

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Botched Ceremony

To anyone telling me not to whine, you don't know who are are talking to. My main is a Sorcerer. I'm here advocating for my Templar brothers that have gotten the short end of the development stick ever since restoring spirit was nerfed early launch. I have a few templar alts but I rarely use them since 1.6. I would like to use my templar more often but...

• The unfair cooldown on toppling charge just bugs me. Invasion has no such GCD. DK's can immediately start lava whipping after an invasion. Why cant these two skills be equal?
• Eclipse/Power off the light bugs me. Why should I be locked out of using other abilities for crucial seconds after I used these?
• Solar barrage never worked as intended. It seemed like it should buff another AoE attack but never did.
• Dark flare has to leave the atmosphere and high five the moon before it hits someone. As a sorc, I know all I need to about slow moving projectiles a horse can outrun.
• As other people have mentioned, biting jabs buffs the enemy by giving them full immunity for a mediocre stun/knockback.

I could use other abilities as a replacement but I want to play a spear throwing, light wielding templar. Templar is one of the few classes that you really could play a pure class build, with maybe one non-templar ability. These frustrating bugs prevent that amazing playstyle.

Templars don't need a massive skill revamp. They didn't even need a Jesus Beam. They just need some of their core bread and butter abilities debugged and given a sanity check.

Fortunately there is a 27 page thread with over 700 replies that pretty much lays out what needs to be done.

This "bug" vs "feature" doublespeak is not constructive and saps my desire to ever shake the mothballs off my templar.