So my subscription has 2 weeks left. Last plea for a better ESO+.

Tandor

Titansteele wrote: »

For example : "Player Housing is something that has been signed off in principle by our design team, what that means is it is on the development plan but work has not started and we have no date for when work will commence. The next time you will see us update you on this will be the announcement that it is coming to PTS"

Something like that answers the question, sets expectations and closes the door around further questions and what ZOS are willing to spend the time discussing. We have to understand that once ZOS have made a statement on something where that doesn't close the subject for community discussion we shouldn't expect them to invest any more time to discussions until they become relevant to short or medium term workloads for them.

The right community approach and I think the tone of these forums would change dramatically within a few months.

I doubt that personally. I think the moment ZOS made that announcement the forums would be full of topics and polls about player housing, people would be constantly clamouring for an update, and there would be QQ complaints that ZOS had said that they had signed off on housing but weren't delivering - another broken promise, another lie, and so it would go on. The fact that ZOS had said they weren't working on it yet would mean diddly squat to those who dominate the forums.

There are too many players with no patience or real understanding of what they're being told half the time. Look at the number of topics on maintenance day demanding the patch notes while the server is still down. They've seen the explanation as to why patch notes aren't put up until the team know the intended patch is going to be fully implemented, yet each week without fail they impatiently ask the same question - where are the patch notes?

I imagine that is why ZOS adopt the approach of telling us nothing, that way they can't have their words thrown back at them the whole time (and after the fuss over a single one year old comment about subscription models I don't blame them). Most developers adopt the same approach. SOE/DBG don't even reckon to post on their own forums any longer except for purposes of moderation. By comparison to many, these forums are pretty mild in any event, but I don't see any change of approach from ZOS changing their tone, more contributions from them would simply lead to more expectations from the posters.

Faugaun

pugyourself wrote: »

I hope someone reads this and makes a change. At the very least, a public commitment to start treating subscribers better (starting with something as simple as allowing subs to opt out of spam) would be nice. I hope this thread stays open and I hope someone from ZOS reaches out to you. After Saturday's debacle, I've logged far less time in-game than I have since starting to play. Makes me sad because I love the game. It's just harder to play since Saturday.

What did I miss Saturday?

Faugaun

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

I think ZOS should hire you Gidorick.

I agree on everything you say, every time. My thoughts exactly on things. Your suggestions thread was spot on.

You would make ESO better;D

edit: my sub is pure charity. Donating with the hopes of a better ESO in the future.

Dunno I think Giddorick would be better at a bigger larger company with more capital....don't think zos can afford him.

Gidorick

Faugaun wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

I think ZOS should hire you Gidorick.

I agree on everything you say, every time. My thoughts exactly on things. Your suggestions thread was spot on.

You would make ESO better;D

edit: my sub is pure charity. Donating with the hopes of a better ESO in the future.

Dunno I think Giddorick would be better at a bigger larger company with more capital....don't think zos can afford him.

I'd totally take a pay cut if it meant I could help make the Elder Scrolls Universe.

Chillic

I would rather the game be improved than asking for more of this and that. I pay $15 a month to enjoy a game, which I do for 2-3 hours a day. So, roughly 60-90 hours a month for $15... not bad.

Victus

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

They are loosing (sic) money, People always say the only way to hurt a corperation is to hit their wallet. Well, a knife has been stabbed through theirs, and they are bleeding out. Somebody needs to apply pressure, then dress the wound. At this rate, even a transfusion might not save it.

You think so? That is hard to determine. For every person who is upset and not renewing subs, you could have two people paying for crowns and spending them on vanity items.

Faugaun

Gidorick wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

I think ZOS should hire you Gidorick.

I agree on everything you say, every time. My thoughts exactly on things. Your suggestions thread was spot on.

You would make ESO better;D

edit: my sub is pure charity. Donating with the hopes of a better ESO in the future.

Dunno I think Giddorick would be better at a bigger larger company with more capital....don't think zos can afford him.

I'd totally take a pay cut if it meant I could help make the Elder Scrolls Universe.

Ya me too! Lol.

For you mate! Hopefully you get your wish: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166585/if-you-were-the-hiring-manager-at-zos-would-you-hire-gidorick

Gidorick

Victus wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

They are loosing (sic) money, People always say the only way to hurt a corperation is to hit their wallet. Well, a knife has been stabbed through theirs, and they are bleeding out. Somebody needs to apply pressure, then dress the wound. At this rate, even a transfusion might not save it.

You think so? That is hard to determine. For every person who is upset and not renewing subs, you could have two people paying for crowns and spending them on vanity items.

Which, in reality, there are going to be more people buying stuff from the crown store than there will be lost subscribers.

The thing is, though, ZOS shouldn't be putting all their eggs in one basket. If they build up a solid subscription based customer pool they will have a much more reliable revenue stream. If they're relying solely on the crown store then we will likely see things like CP pots, Alliance War Machines, legendary gear, and prize boxes added to the crown store to keep those revenues flowing. And expect more and more 'limited time only' items.

A solid subscription revenue would keep ESO grounded and 'honest'.

Menelaos

This is a thought I have long been dealing with. After weighing the options, I feel there is currently no incentive that justifies a monthly subscription; and I don't even PVP.
My crafting is maxed out, I have long reached my self defined critical mass of CP, I have the 12 month Senche, the items in the shop have a theme park's gift shop character and now what?

There has been barely any horizontal progress like housing, new crafting professions, new collectibles or new cosmetic gear for special achievements like a nice fishing rod, a unique Dragonstar-type costume or somesuch. Instead, lag crawls into PVE dungeons, bugs don't get fixed, the repeatability of trials is finally exhausted, gear progression is plain horrible, you name it.

The next content updates are not in sight and jury-rigging game balance until then seems a Herculean task at best. I am not willing to pay 15 Euros a month for being kept in a loop with green words. I chose to pay money when I feel it is justified, and I await the day this will be the case. Until then, ESO Plus converted into ESO Zero

Some people are speaking about their sub being a charity, but sorry: ZOS is not a welfare organisation. Give your money to any organization that helps people that are really in need, if you like. Just sayin'

Bouvin

Orchish wrote: »

I only play PvP imagine how i feel for my sub. No content and half the things they sell in the store such as pets are completely useless since you cannot even have them out in Cyrodiil. Now that they have also ended the loyalty program i really do consider my self an idiot for renewing my sub.

Which is why I didn't renew mine.

Been a member since November 2013. Pre-ordered Imperial and Adventurer Pack (which was supposed to be limited time offer but is now in crown store) and have subbed continually since early release.

And.. I just unsubbed. Sick of feeling like an idiot for paying for a 10% XP and Gold Boost to a company that flat out lies to it's players.

Bouvin

Adramelach wrote: »

I only want one thing from my subscription - they can toss the rest:

Put subscribers on a priority server of their own, don't spam it with advertising, keep the F2P people off of it, and give me the most lag-free experience I can get.

Give me that, toss the rest for all I care, and I'm a very happy subscriber.

At least give subscribers priority in PvP Queue.

I mean.. having to waiting in twice as long queues behind a bunch of people not paying for subs is ridiculous. Yet another reason i've unsubbed....

Bouvin

Sylveria_Relden wrote: »

I know you can "save" the Crowns. My point is that if the offerings available aren't attractive (or don't progress in any way toward this) then it's a really moot point.

Yep, you can save the crowns for DLC.

But... who knows how long until DLC comes out.When DLC finally comes out you might have 10x the crowns needed for it.

Or you can save yourself $15 per month, and just buy the crowns needed for the DLC when it finally arrives.

What's in the store now it just fluff. They want all the previous subscribers to blow all their crowns now so they have to buy more to pay for DLC.

So my suggestion is just save what you have..then when DLC finally hits (if it ever does) you'll only have to buy a few crowns to get it.

Paying $15 per month for a 10% XP and Gold Boost is just absurd IMO. It that's all they are offering to keep subscribers, then it's no wonder so many people are canceling.

And the 1500 crowns you get for subscribing isn't a bonus, because you could buy 1500 crowns for $15. So all you really get is the 10% boost.

Edit:Typo

Tandor

Bouvin wrote: »

Adramelach wrote: »

I only want one thing from my subscription - they can toss the rest:

Put subscribers on a priority server of their own, don't spam it with advertising, keep the F2P people off of it, and give me the most lag-free experience I can get.

Give me that, toss the rest for all I care, and I'm a very happy subscriber.

At least give subscribers priority in PvP Queue.

I mean.. having to waiting in twice as long queues behind a bunch of people not paying for subs is ridiculous. Yet another reason i've unsubbed....

Perhaps the queue should be sorted in order of who has paid the most for the current month, whether by sub or in the crown store. There is more than one way to skin a cat, as the saying goes, and there is more than one way of contributing financially to a game.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest as I don't PvP, but I think the whole "subscribers are first, PC cash shop users are second, console cash shop users third, and freeloaders last" approach is divisive and unhelpful to the game or its community. Everyone who is playing the game is contributing to it in one way or another, especially as it is B2P not F2P.

Faugaun

Tandor wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

Adramelach wrote: »

I only want one thing from my subscription - they can toss the rest:

Put subscribers on a priority server of their own, don't spam it with advertising, keep the F2P people off of it, and give me the most lag-free experience I can get.

Give me that, toss the rest for all I care, and I'm a very happy subscriber.

At least give subscribers priority in PvP Queue.

I mean.. having to waiting in twice as long queues behind a bunch of people not paying for subs is ridiculous. Yet another reason i've unsubbed....

Perhaps the queue should be sorted in order of who has paid the most for the current month, whether by sub or in the crown store. There is more than one way to skin a cat, as the saying goes, and there is more than one way of contributing financially to a game.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest as I don't PvP, but I think the whole "subscribers are first, PC cash shop users are second, console cash shop users third, and freeloaders last" approach is divisive and unhelpful to the game or its community. Everyone who is playing the game is contributing to it in one way or another, especially as it is B2P not F2P.

How about sort the queue by lifetime contributions?

I'm at almost $300 per account on two accounts.

Legedric

Many of you already mentioned that they think about resubbing for a prioirity queue system for ESO+ members, so why not support this thread for this specific topic?

Thread:
Request: Priority queue for ESO+ members

Lithium Flower

I'm a subscriber since launch and am subbed till the end of this year. I think eso plus is quite fair. The 10% gold boost is nice, the XP gain is nice. And access to DLC when it'll be available will also be nice.

Beyond that, no more preferential treatment is advisable. Non subbing players have also purchased the game and maybe invested much more in terms of crownstore items than a subber.

Sub isn't an extra 15 USD given to ZoS, you get free crowns worth the same monetary value as the sub.

Most of these posts seem to completely ignore the crowns you get in exchange for the sub. Our sub is basically an advance purchase of crowns and we get a nice thank you tidbit for it. It's more than sufficient and when DLC is available, exceptionally good value.

Asking for a priority queue for PvP or anything else that would give an advantage versus a player who has purchased the game just as we have is extraordinarily greedy, unfair and unconscionable.

TL;DR: Sub = Advance purchase of 1500 crowns/month + small thank you gift NOT special snowflake club membership.

Raash

Lithium Flower wrote: »

I'm a subscriber since launch and am subbed till the end of this year. I think eso plus is quite fair. The 10% gold boost is nice, the XP gain is nice. And access to DLC when it'll be available will also be nice.

Beyond that, no more preferential treatment is advisable. Non subbing players have also purchased the game and maybe invested much more in terms of crownstore items than a subber.

Sub isn't an extra 15 USD given to ZoS, you get free crowns worth the same monetary value as the sub.

Most of these posts seem to completely ignore the crowns you get in exchange for the sub. Our sub is basically an advance purchase of crowns and we get a nice thank you tidbit for it. It's more than sufficient and when DLC is available, exceptionally good value.

Asking for a priority queue for PvP or anything else that would give an advantage versus a player who has purchased the game just as we have is extraordinarily greedy, unfair and unconscionable.

TL;DR: Sub = Advance purchase of 1500 crowns/month + small thank you gift NOT special snowflake club membership.

I first gave you one agree but had to change it to awesome. The optional sub is nothing more then what you describe really. Had not thought about it in the same way as you described it before so thank you for sharing that wisdom!

Menelaos

While I agree that spending 15 USD/Euro on a month's sub is sort of pre-buying th 1,5k Crowns, people seem to be a bit enraged that the Shop in its current state does not offer anything they would buy with these Crowns. And of course, ESO+ members don't need to save their Crowns for DLC.

sebban

ESO+ is just not worth it at the moment, unless you want useless customization stuff from the crown store. It might be interesting when we get some new actual content. I'm still doing the same dungeons and trials as I was 6 months ago.

When we get some DLCs with new zones, dungeons and trials, then it might be interesting.

Unless ZOS get some actual content into the store soon, they will loose out on alot of subs.

Gidorick

you have a point @Lithium Flower but consider this:

With a Sub, 100 crowns cost $1
With a 5500 crown pack, 100 crowns cost 72 cents. 28% cheaper.

So if you're considering the sub to primarily be a prepurchase of crowns, it's the most expensive of the available options.

Victus

Gidorick wrote: »

you have a point @Lithium Flower but consider this:

With a Sub, 100 crowns cost $1
With a 5500 crown pack, 100 crowns cost 72 cents. 28% cheaper.

So if you're considering the sub to primarily be a prepurchase of crowns, it's the most expensive of the available options.

What sold me on re-subbing was not just the Crowns I got, but the 10% bonus. If you don't care about the bonus, then sure just buy the Crowns as you go.

Fhaerron

Adramelach wrote: »

I only want one thing from my subscription - they can toss the rest:

Put subscribers on a priority server of their own, don't spam it with advertising, keep the F2P people off of it, and give me the most lag-free experience I can get.

Give me that, toss the rest for all I care, and I'm a very happy subscriber.

There are no F2P players here. To play ESO one has to buy it.

It's not free.

Gidorick

Victus wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

you have a point @Lithium Flower but consider this:

With a Sub, 100 crowns cost $1
With a 5500 crown pack, 100 crowns cost 72 cents. 28% cheaper.

So if you're considering the sub to primarily be a prepurchase of crowns, it's the most expensive of the available options.

What sold me on re-subbing was not just the Crowns I got, but the 10% bonus. If you don't care about the bonus, then sure just buy the Crowns as you go.

Yea, this is the realization I'm slowing starting to accept. I do not care about the bonuses. I'm too slow a player for them to have any real impact on my progression.

There seem to be two types of subscribers:
1: Those who feel the subscription is a good value and worth the price
2: Those who want to pay the subscription to support ESO's development, regardless of benefits

I am SO close to being the second type of person... many of us are. We WANT to support ZOS, but the subscription just about amounts to an ill featured fan club.

What would actually get me to subscribe is if the more you subscribed the cheaper the crowns got. That would totally do it for me. If a 6 month sub of yielded like 12000 crowns (65 cents/100) instead of 9000 crowns (86 cents/100), I'd stay subbed. As it is, I'd be better off adding 2 bucks to the $78 a 6 month sub costs to buy two 5500 crown packs. I'd end up with 2000 more crowns, or $20 "worth".

It's just about a no brainer.

c0rp

ESO+ needs to give Cyrodiil priority queuing and a discount for crown store purchases. This is all they need to do to make it worthwhile. I'm interested to find out if they care enough to do something about it.

qsnoopyjr

Just un subscribe, its not like the game is going to die if you don't

Guild Wars 2 is B2P.
Guild Wars 2 gets it's money from the gem store/crown store.

That's the main reason why they implemented the crown store, just another way to get money from you to help pay there bills. The rich people will make the difference between those who cannot afford to pay, by buying there way to the top of the game. That's how you get rid of subscriptions and get the community bigger.

Thinking about it, if you want them to put more good stuff in the crown store, than ALL of you should unsubscribe and force them to put stuff into the crown store thats WORTH it so people start paying $$$ to get it.

Lemme tell ya something, this crown store is pretty much a JOKE comapred to GW2 gem store, in the GW2 gem store there is just SOOO much I want to buy, SERIOUSLY. They have unique armor sets that are WORTH buying, they have harvesting components worth buying, if you played GW2 you know what I'm talking about.

If your concerned about PvP, lets compare this game to GW2. Both games have WvW/AvA type system... GW2 having been out 2+ years, HAS ONLY managed to bring out 1 NEW WvW/AvA map...... If 1 game struggles to bring out/ find reason to focus on WvW/AvA, I'm pretty sure this game is struggling to find reasons to do the same, when they have plenty of reasons to do more in the PvE department. GW2 WvW/AvA population is at least x3 times bigger as well.
GW2 is doing more in there PvP (They have WvW/AvA and PvP, which is small scale PvP, 5v5 up to 10v10 on custom servers), they have made several new maps, and a new game mode for PvP, compared to there AvA/WvW the small scale PvP is doing a lot better.

In my opinion, this game screwed up when it didnt go OPEN world PvP, and how it doesn't have small scale/ ARENA (Oblivion style Arena) in this game.

Had a perfect system to follow, just how Oblivion runs its arena, gain ranks against other NPC (this game could've been other players) through fighting in the arena... But it decides to go ahead and try to best GW2 in WvW/AvA. If anything, PvP wise, this game needs to bring out small scale arenas, and if possible make the world OPEN world PvP (PERFECTLY designed for Open World PvP, the cities are strategically placed, everything well placed, all you gotta do when a different faction captures a city is change the guard name to DaggerFall Covenant to Ebonheart Pact, doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Also just place the alliance flag over the fort or whatever they have captured). I gotta be honest, I dont see as good as a future for AvA/WvW as I do for Open World PvP or Open World AvA/WvW (where the cities and forts ARE REAL cities and forts that MATTER).

This is really the first MMO I played where it defaults you to a server, and theres no options to chose your server and theres no different types of servers like Open World PvP, *** PvE ONLY, Roleplaying (1 toon only), real money server, etc..... This game, just has 1 style and frankly I'm not a big fan of this... *** PvE only. But its an Elder Scrolls so I'll grin and bear it.... Actually I think Runescape defaults to 1 server, and to be honest, that game is a huge success considering how little developer power they have running behind it and how everyone pretty much knows what it is. Thing about runescape, is it was a real game. You died you lost all your stuff. There was Open world PvP areas. That game didnt dumb itself down and pamper to whiners that complain they lost everything when they died and such. That game was a very good game during its time because I found myself going back to it several times, thats how you can tell a game is good.

But ya, if this game has ANY advantage over GW2, its that it's perfectly set up for open world PvP... GW2 isnt set up for open world PvP, because theres no minor forts and such to take, not enough cities... This game... PERFECT for Open World PvP... I just dont get why they take ADVANTAGE of what they are perfectly set up for.

But ya, if you fed up, just unsubscribe, its not the end of the world. It's simple, if your not satisfied you stop using it, that's how you voice your opinion. They made the crown store for a reason, to allow people to play without subscribing.

Slurg

Gidorick wrote: »

Yea, this is the realization I'm slowing starting to accept. I do not care about the bonuses. I'm too slow a player for them to have any real impact on my progression.

There seem to be two types of subscribers:
1: Those who feel the subscription is a good value and worth the price
2: Those who want to pay the subscription to support ESO's development, regardless of benefits

I am SO close to being the second type of person... many of us are. We WANT to support ZOS, but the subscription just about amounts to an ill featured fan club.

What would actually get me to subscribe is if the more you subscribed the cheaper the crowns got. That would totally do it for me. If a 6 month sub of yielded like 12000 crowns (65 cents/100) instead of 9000 crowns (86 cents/100), I'd stay subbed. As it is, I'd be better off adding 2 bucks to the $78 a 6 month sub costs to buy two 5500 crown packs. I'd end up with 2000 more crowns, or $20 "worth".

It's just about a no brainer.

Actually it sounds like you and a lot of people are stuck in the "bargaining" stage of grief and it would be healthier to move toward accepting your relationship with ESO+ for what it is now. Love it or leave it.

As you stated there are two types of subscriber: the one who believes ESO+ provides a good value for the money, and the one who doesn't care whether or not it provides value and pays to feel good about themselves for providing financial support.

If additional benefits are provided in the future that would be great but don't torture yourselves over it with all the "what if's" and "if only's". Only you can decide for yourself whether to keep paying for what ESO+ is right now. If you decide to leave it you can always come back later. ESO+ isn't like a real human relationship, it will gladly be bought at any time.

Gidorick

But @Slurg, If I move past bargaining, I have to go through depression before acceptance.... and that's no fun.

Lol.

Nivzruo_ESO

I've already unsubbed, I only Pvp and since there is only 1 pvp outlet ( zerg V zerg aoe spam ) and even the 1 option has stability issues this game isn't worth a sub, heck it's not even worth buying if I didn't have it already I can't imagine any well informed gamer to actually come play this game.

Pangnirtung

I would gladly pay the subscription fee if that didn't mean losing the DLCs once I unsubscribed.

I can understand the problem though, what happens if you sub for one month and then unsubscribe? You have essentially paid one months subscription for all the DLC packages.

As it is for me anyway there is NO incentive to subscribe I will only pay for the content that suits my play preferences.

Slurg

@Gidorick, I hear there are meds to help with the depression stage.

It really isn't so bad, the moving toward acceptance. But I do see the appeal of bargaining.