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Templar Skills Bugged/made useless - IGNORED

  • Lettigall
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    Can anyone help Gina with her request to find a way to reproduce the CC immunity?

    I am going to see if it applies the swirly air around my opponents legs, which is the surest sign of the immunity. But is there a better way?

    I'm trying. When I noticed it most was on my stamina templar using biting jabs then hitting the mob that wasn't knocked back with reverberating bash or invasion. It could be something weird like the mobs are standing side by side so close that the code decides 'hey they are both in the range but only one can get the knock-back, they didn't define only one gets the immunity'. I also tend to circle the mobs so IDK if that's having some weird effect. I've switched weapons on that character atm but once I can be bothered I'll try with S&B to get it to work again. Got no way of posting a video tho.

    Well, I think we do have to realize that the CC immunity was recently added by the designers themselves in patch 1.6.2. It was not something that the players noticed in the game and started to complain about-- rather, it was something the designers themselves changed about the game. I guess I just point this out to Gina because she said the designers are having a hard time duplicating the bug... it wasn't a bug. It was something they themselves added to the game with 1.6.2. So really, I wonder, how they can have problems finding something they themselves just added to the game, literally only a couple of weeks ago.

    Actually concerns were raised about Puncturing strikes after PTS patch notes were posted. It was reported, asked about in ESO live but unfortunately it was ignored until there weren't post in forum with more then 10 pages...
    Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!
  • technohic
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    LOL They actually answered my question about the charge and eclipse on ESO Live that I think I posted a couple weeks ago and started to go over it, and right at that moment, I had to take off my headphones and answer someone at work.
  • glak
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    technohic wrote: »
    LOL They actually answered my question about the charge and eclipse on ESO Live that I think I posted a couple weeks ago and started to go over it, and right at that moment, I had to take off my headphones and answer someone at work.
    Hopefully more than the canned Templar answer "we made the gcd slightly smaller" :)
  • AriBoh
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    glak wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    LOL They actually answered my question about the charge and eclipse on ESO Live that I think I posted a couple weeks ago and started to go over it, and right at that moment, I had to take off my headphones and answer someone at work.
    Hopefully more than the canned Templar answer "we made the gcd slightly smaller" :)

    'we're aware and are working on it'

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    Agreed. Whoever came up with the design should be shot in the foot and only admitted to hospital when he manages to find 3 other people willing to maim themselves the same way in order to accompany him.

    ZOS_AmeliaR admin
    Ultimately, any method of entering an enemy keep without breaking down the door is considered an exploit. Thanks for checking!

    tinythinker
    "I used to be a healer once, but then I took a Wrobel to the knee"
  • Imdrefan
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    This is not just one ability, but a very large portion of our toolkit that is NOT functional.

    I have stopped using puncturing sweep in PvP because I don't like handing out CC immunity like candy. This makes me unhappy because I REALLY like this skill.
    Drefan - VR14 AD Templar
    Decibel
    Dark Flare to the Face
  • Lettigall
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    Imdrefan wrote: »
    This is not just one ability, but a very large portion of our toolkit that is NOT functional.

    I have stopped using puncturing sweep in PvP because I don't like handing out CC immunity like candy. This makes me unhappy because I REALLY like this skill.

    One of those useless abilities is Piercing Javelin! I think my mind was clouded when I few days ago spent skill points into this skill. It's so bad, almost no dmg that even it's CC bonus seems useless. I can't even think about situation where this skill is useful!
    Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!
  • technohic
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    Lettigall wrote: »
    Imdrefan wrote: »
    This is not just one ability, but a very large portion of our toolkit that is NOT functional.

    I have stopped using puncturing sweep in PvP because I don't like handing out CC immunity like candy. This makes me unhappy because I REALLY like this skill.

    One of those useless abilities is Piercing Javelin! I think my mind was clouded when I few days ago spent skill points into this skill. It's so bad, almost no dmg that even it's CC bonus seems useless. I can't even think about situation where this skill is useful!

    I haven't seen anyone use it since beta, where I took it off my bar but others I knew just kept it because it looked awesome to impale someone with a spear. Looks like Tarzan, hits like Jane.
  • Imdrefan
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    technohic wrote: »
    Lettigall wrote: »
    Imdrefan wrote: »
    This is not just one ability, but a very large portion of our toolkit that is NOT functional.

    I have stopped using puncturing sweep in PvP because I don't like handing out CC immunity like candy. This makes me unhappy because I REALLY like this skill.

    One of those useless abilities is Piercing Javelin! I think my mind was clouded when I few days ago spent skill points into this skill. It's so bad, almost no dmg that even it's CC bonus seems useless. I can't even think about situation where this skill is useful!

    I haven't seen anyone use it since beta, where I took it off my bar but others I knew just kept it because it looked awesome to impale someone with a spear. Looks like Tarzan, hits like Jane.

    Javelin has is uses. It has pitiful damage, but I see it used for well timed CC.
    Drefan - VR14 AD Templar
    Decibel
    Dark Flare to the Face
  • Soris
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    It has uses ofc but its cost makes it stupid. There are better skills out there that does exactly the same thing PLUS some secondary effect along with more dmg potential.

    Blazing Spear
    Revebating Bash
    Destructive Reach
    Magnum Shot
    And maybe Wrecking Blow

    There is no reason for it being one of the highest cost and lowest dmg of spells. Same cost as BoL if im not wrong or slightly fewer.
    Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]
  • Cinbri
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    ZOS should grant Javelin the root ability, than it will be usefull as the only templar's root.
  • Animal_Mother
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    We dropped to the second page.

    This weekend got a good long chance to game, for once. Looking at my skill bar are there any Templar skills that don't have any issues. As a stamina Templar I use:

    - Puncturing Strikes (melee supplement for bow), well-documented concerns ;
    - Eclipse, doesn't always fire on the subsequent targets when tackling multiple casters;
    - Rushed Ceremony, delays;
    - Cleansing Ritual, I still get unable to mount in Cyrodiil from time to time;
    - Focus Charged, my only gap closer for dual wield sometimes experiences a delay;
    - Sun Shield, I currently use Radiant Ward for up-front damage but understand well the concerns with Blazing Shield's cost/damage;
    - Backlash, Purifying Light's healing pool doesn't always appear;
    - Radiant Destruction, always changing constant tweaks;
    - Restoring Aura, not a problem with the skill itself but corpses can disappear real fast if they have no lootables preventing the heal from Repentance.

  • glak
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    glak wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    LOL They actually answered my question about the charge and eclipse on ESO Live that I think I posted a couple weeks ago and started to go over it, and right at that moment, I had to take off my headphones and answer someone at work.
    Hopefully more than the canned Templar answer "we made the gcd slightly smaller" :)

    'we're aware and are working on it'

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    And the first thing to pop out is...
    Templar
    • Dawn’s Wrath
      • Radiant Destruction: This ability now cancels if the enemy moves out of your line of sight.
    This is a fair change, but ZOS tends to overbalance the Templar downwards pretty far before realizing they broke our toys. Did this ability bottom out on fixes yet?
  • Phinix1
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    Yeah, kinda sad they chose to nerf Jesus Beams before getting a fix for any of the totally broken skills, like Eclipse causing you to be unable to attack when it blocks a spell.

    But you know, priorities...
  • Lettigall
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    Templars were broken since launch and no changers were made until ESO v2.0. You'll have to live with this templar at least until 2.1...
    Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!
  • BugCollector
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    Aaaaand no changes again!
    May knowledge guide you to enlightenment
  • Rhakon
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    Wow... so much to fix, and all we get is one nerf after the other, as weakest pvp-class.

    This nerf only adresses PvP...
    Every class has anoying abilitys, like scales fear shadowcloak or Bolt Escape..

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  • FireCowCommando
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    not sure why they didnt make it so you cant be interrupted since you are being forced to stay in line of sight... its way to easy to counter now. and yes like the others here i am pretty impressed that nerfing semi functional ability takes priority.
  • Cinbri
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    Someone REALLY expected that templar's skills will be fixed instead of ruining what we already have ?! :D
  • technohic
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    Meh. I will only be able to get in on the weekend the next couple of weeks. Maybe we'll get some more fixes by then. I'm sure there are a couple more beneficial bugs that they want to fix first Though.
  • jopeymonster
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    Someone REALLY expected that templar's skills will be fixed instead of ruining what we already have ?! :D

    Par for the course.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Thanks for proving me right yet again!
    #nerfkeyboards
  • Contraptions
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    Hmm. Guess not.
    Edited by Contraptions on April 13, 2015 4:54PM
    Patroller and Editor at UESP
  • jnjdun_ESO
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    Someone REALLY expected that templar's skills will be fixed instead of ruining what we already have ?! :D

    Unfortunately, today's patch notes are about what I expected. :(

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  • timidobserver
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    Nothing today other than more pvp caused nerfs to Templar abilities.
    V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
    V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
    V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
    V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
    V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)

  • Naivefanboi
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    CP5 wrote: »
    As promised, here is an update for some of the abilities that were called out. Keep in mind we tried to focus only on abilities that appeared to be bugged, and not actual design decisions. We know some of the answers may seem a little vague, but we honestly just don't have a solid date yet for some of these fixes. Hope this helps, though, and let us know if you have any follow up questions!
    • Focused Charge: This ability has a GCD that locks you out of any action for 1-2 seconds after each use. We are aware this is happening, and are working on a fix.
    • Eclipse: After a successful spell reflect, you are unable to use any abilities for a few seconds. We are aware this is happening, and are working on a fix.
    • Solar Barrage: This ability grants empower, but does not apply to AoEs. It turns out that the bonus damage wasn’t applying to itself, and we’re currently testing a fix for this.
    • Sun Fire and Solar Flare: The travel speed of these projectiles is noticeably slower than other casted-projectile spells (such as Crystal Frags). We plan on increasing the travel speed for these projectiles in a future update.
    • Breath of Life: This ability appears to have a consistent delay after activation. We plan on increasing the cast time for this ability in a future update.
    • Puncturing Strikes: We’re seeing reports that this ability is giving a 4 second CC immunity to every target it hits, regardless if they are hit by the knockback. We’re currently investigating to see if this is a bug or working as intended, and will let you know when we have an answer.

    Seeing this kind of stuff, these internal notes, is AWESOME. I would love to see this more often.

    um wow. feelin the templar love right now....
  • Soris
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    Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]
  • Naivefanboi
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    technohic wrote: »
    Lettigall wrote: »
    Imdrefan wrote: »
    This is not just one ability, but a very large portion of our toolkit that is NOT functional.

    I have stopped using puncturing sweep in PvP because I don't like handing out CC immunity like candy. This makes me unhappy because I REALLY like this skill.

    One of those useless abilities is Piercing Javelin! I think my mind was clouded when I few days ago spent skill points into this skill. It's so bad, almost no dmg that even it's CC bonus seems useless. I can't even think about situation where this skill is useful!

    I haven't seen anyone use it since beta, where I took it off my bar but others I knew just kept it because it looked awesome to impale someone with a spear. Looks like Tarzan, hits like Jane.

    "looks like tarzan hits like jane"! thank you for that lmao made my day.
  • Cinbri
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    Guyz we should be glad that patchnotes is not like:Fixed an issue that allowed to choose and play Templar class
    Edited by Cinbri on April 13, 2015 5:51PM
  • TequilaFire
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    Not only did they not fix any Templar issues we are the only class that got a nerf this patch.
    WTF

  • Soris
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    Not only did they not fix any Templar issues we are the only class that got a nerf this patch.
    WTF

    It is actually fix though
    Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]
  • Estelee
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    So they fixed Jesus beam because it was hurting other players.

    TOPPLING CHARGE PEOPLE ITS BEEN A FREAKING YEAR.

    Does it not matter when I hurt? * sob * * sarcastic tear *

    OH, How about this.

    Just give us teleport strike from NB class.

    You know, till you fix the problem with our skill thats been here since betty white was a teeenager.
    Peace to you Friends.
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