Templar Skills Bugged/made useless - IGNORED

Domander · April 2015

Calm down about the BoL note, I think it just means it will cast faster.

Quintal · April 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Breath of Life: This ability appears to have a consistent delay after activation. We plan on increasing the cast time for this ability in a future update.

@ZOS_GinaBruno If you do this, I'm OUT!

For me (as a healer) even current delay is quite big. Don't you dare to increase the cast time!!!

jnjdun_ESO · April 2015

Domander wrote: »

Calm down about the BoL note, I think it just means it will cast faster.

I thought this at first too. But it's been quite some time and ZOS hasn’t come back and stated that it was worded weirdly...well, it doesn’t look good.

Fordd · April 2015

grimsfield wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*] Breath of Life: This ability appears to have a consistent delay after activation. We plan on increasing the cast time for this ability in a future update.

DON'T YOU DARE. LEAVE THIS SKILL ALONE.

If you are going to do something to the skill, REMOVE THE DELAY. Don't increase the cast time.

Agree.

AriBoh · April 2015

jnjdun_ESO wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Calm down about the BoL note, I think it just means it will cast faster.

I thought this at first too. But it's been quite some time and ZOS hasn’t come back and stated that it was worded weirdly...well, it doesn’t look good.

Considering how long it took to get a response at all I'd advise waiting a bit. Hoping it gets corrected.

Amdirial · April 2015

I'm actually very concerned with the Breath of Lift comment. I main heal on my templar and honestly when I read a tool tip and the cast time says "instant" it usually means instant. Not Animation locked / delayed before it goes off. It was nerfed in 1.6 and not they are talking about nerfing it more. I mean increasing the time takes away the "instant" part of the ability.

DHale · April 2015

I could heal over half a persons health with one breath of life now I take two to three to do the same and three to four to get someone to full avg 5-7 k per "pull". Nerf city and I run out of magicka quick. I know lots of cp will help but I pvp and am lucky to get one cp in a day. Still have to wear light armor to sustain and as you know... squishy. Tried wearing heavy wow don't expect to be useful even seducer armor. Feel like templar is a weak class again as high elf and wished I could be viable as a stamlar and change to red guard or imperial.

kkravaritieb17_ESO · April 2015

This change makes no sense ...why in your mind would add a cast time to breath of life? That i tell you will *** off the majority of templars because lets be honest templars only edge is healing and maybe tanking.

Yoven · April 2015

I don't know if I have to be disappointed or content with the fact that you, after having taken a vow of silence, finally decided to speak up after numerous topics that got ignored.

I will tell you what I' m not: Happy!

I' m not happy with the way you handle your Templar community. I' m not happy with the way you describe vague upcoming fixes in X time.

You seem to be oblivious to what is going on with the Templar class in the first place. If it took this long to come into any of the X threads about broken and/or bugged Templar abilities. I can only ponder about how long it will take to actually fix them.

Maybe an actual Dev can share some light on the considerations being made, because you @ZOS_GinaBruno must be playing a Sorcerer, since all you do is conjuring up a bunch of hocus pocus and abracadabra in this thread.

Much love,

@Yoven

kkravaritieb17_ESO · April 2015

Well if they add cast time to breath of life i personally just give up on templar and go play my sorc. Breath of life was the only thing distinguishing templars from other healing springs spammers and you intend to destroy our only advantage...honestly whats wrong with the devs, have they lost all kind of reason? This game isnt all about PvE...just saying.

Kas · April 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As promised, here is an update for some of the abilities that were called out. Keep in mind we tried to focus only on abilities that appeared to be bugged, and not actual design decisions. We know some of the answers may seem a little vague, but we honestly just don't have a solid date yet for some of these fixes. Hope this helps, though, and let us know if you have any follow up questions!
Focused Charge: This ability has a GCD that locks you out of any action for 1-2 seconds after each use. We are aware this is happening, and are working on a fix.

imho this is like 20% of the problem with the charge.
all charges are currently prone to getting stuck in the animation when the server is under high load.
for some reason, though, the templar charge seems to be the ability that is BY FAR the most effected.

apart from that there is no feedback on:
If you use radiant destruction while you have an (NPC?) eclipse on you, you cannot perform any action unless you press ESC twice before

Area51Visitor · April 2015

Haha...ya...this is really frustrating. Each class has some form of gap closure; this is by far the most busted one of all

Kas · April 2015

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Well if they add cast time to breath of life i personally just give up on templar and go play my sorc. Breath of life was the only thing distinguishing templars from other healing springs spammers and you intend to destroy our only advantage...honestly whats wrong with the devs, have they lost all kind of reason? This game isnt all about PvE...just saying.

it's all about the super vocal sorcs during 1.6 PTS. There was almost no "templar lobby". I hate forum QQ, but I assume it's needed in ESO. This thread is a good start. But tbh, if they ever make AvA icons account wide, I'd just ditch my templar for good. Farmign rank 24 for the skills is alright, farming another year for the rank is something I just don't want to do.

Cinbri · April 2015

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Well if they add cast time to breath of life i personally just give up on templar and go play my sorc. Breath of life was the only thing distinguishing templars from other healing springs spammers and you intend to destroy our only advantage...honestly whats wrong with the devs, have they lost all kind of reason? This game isnt all about PvE...just saying.

I told you pvp templars are bad at everything...

kkravaritieb17_ESO · April 2015

Well it seems they invisioned healing in PvP by just spamming healing springs and zerging. Small groups #rekt ....

kkravaritieb17_ESO · April 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Well if they add cast time to breath of life i personally just give up on templar and go play my sorc. Breath of life was the only thing distinguishing templars from other healing springs spammers and you intend to destroy our only advantage...honestly whats wrong with the devs, have they lost all kind of reason? This game isnt all about PvE...just saying.

I told you pvp templars are bad at everything...

Indeed the devs seem to be clueless to just be polite reganding the PvP.

bellanca6561n · April 2015

I started a Templar recently who hit 50/VR1 in time for Tango Uniform and just hit VR10.

"Yikes!"

And, with impeccable timing, she hit at the very end of that tour de force of allegorical fantasy: the Wilderking quest chain.

Off topic, I know. Just wanted to share a Templar moment with my fellow Templars. We now return to our regularly scheduled program

cazlonb16_ESO · April 2015

Kas wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Well if they add cast time to breath of life i personally just give up on templar and go play my sorc. Breath of life was the only thing distinguishing templars from other healing springs spammers and you intend to destroy our only advantage...honestly whats wrong with the devs, have they lost all kind of reason? This game isnt all about PvE...just saying.

it's all about the super vocal sorcs during 1.6 PTS. There was almost no "templar lobby". I hate forum QQ, but I assume it's needed in ESO. This thread is a good start. But tbh, if they ever make AvA icons account wide, I'd just ditch my templar for good. Farmign rank 24 for the skills is alright, farming another year for the rank is something I just don't want to do.

During the testphase even experienced players, who really should have known better, claimed Templars would be overpowered and the next DK. Of course that was complete *** then as well as now.

Kas · April 2015

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Well if they add cast time to breath of life i personally just give up on templar and go play my sorc. Breath of life was the only thing distinguishing templars from other healing springs spammers and you intend to destroy our only advantage...honestly whats wrong with the devs, have they lost all kind of reason? This game isnt all about PvE...just saying.

it's all about the super vocal sorcs during 1.6 PTS. There was almost no "templar lobby". I hate forum QQ, but I assume it's needed in ESO. This thread is a good start. But tbh, if they ever make AvA icons account wide, I'd just ditch my templar for good. Farmign rank 24 for the skills is alright, farming another year for the rank is something I just don't want to do.

During the testphase even experienced players, who really should have known better, claimed Templars would be overpowered and the next DK. Of course that was complete *** then as well as now.

to be fair, jabs with significantly higher damage and no CC immunity was kinda broken (especially combined with a good blazing shield and long immunity immovable). I guess templars really were kinda OP in 1.60. But long before the last nerfs, that had changed.

Right now, i'd actually prefer to be able to transfer my ARank (don't even care about assault/support and former emp passives) to my sorc and start playing a class with a lobby over templar fixes

pkb16_ESO2 · April 2015

Kas wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Well if they add cast time to breath of life i personally just give up on templar and go play my sorc. Breath of life was the only thing distinguishing templars from other healing springs spammers and you intend to destroy our only advantage...honestly whats wrong with the devs, have they lost all kind of reason? This game isnt all about PvE...just saying.

it's all about the super vocal sorcs during 1.6 PTS. There was almost no "templar lobby". I hate forum QQ, but I assume it's needed in ESO. This thread is a good start. But tbh, if they ever make AvA icons account wide, I'd just ditch my templar for good. Farmign rank 24 for the skills is alright, farming another year for the rank is something I just don't want to do.

During the testphase even experienced players, who really should have known better, claimed Templars would be overpowered and the next DK. Of course that was complete *** then as well as now.

to be fair, jabs with significantly higher damage and no CC immunity was kinda broken (especially combined with a good blazing shield and long immunity immovable). I guess templars really were kinda OP in 1.60. But long before the last nerfs, that had changed.

Right now, i'd actually prefer to be able to transfer my ARank (don't even care about assault/support and former emp passives) to my sorc and start playing a class with a lobby over templar fixes

Agree, templar at 1.60 were really nice and first time felt as strong as Dks. That was the only time dam Temps rocked...and it was on PTS. But we didnt had whining lobby but 1k threats how OP temps were.
The main problem hab been (maybe still is) jesus beam because people died of them and began to complain (they still are... really dont know why).
In fact i have to say im still doing good with my temp, but its only cause lot of training, including anicanceling for BS and HoL, and most important of all, Im Imperial.
But if i compare it with my Dk or Nb (i dont have a sorc:() its just much harder to play.

glak · April 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As promised, here is an update for some of the abilities that were called out. Keep in mind we tried to focus only on abilities that appeared to be bugged, and not actual design decisions. We know some of the answers may seem a little vague, but we honestly just don't have a solid date yet for some of these fixes. Hope this helps, though, and let us know if you have any follow up questions!
Breath of Life: This ability appears to have a consistent delay after activation. We plan on increasing the cast time for this ability in a future update.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you please clarify in further detail what you mean by this? It is rather confusing as written and can lead to non-constructive speculation and distress.

Does increasing the cast time mean changing the entire ability from an instant cast skill to a skill with an x.x second cast time or do you mean you are going to increase the time it takes for animation to complete to be consistent with the delay?

If a pre-skill cast time is added to the skill, how does this address the delay?

This skill did NOT have a delay prior to 1.6. What issues get in the way of just reverting this skill to the way it operated in 1.5?

Since the word "plan" was used in the context of the answer, they're still talking about it. Seems that they were going to make a major mistake of adding a cast time and now rethinking that stance. My guess is they need to research how much work is required to get the skill to behave like it did in 1.5 and the impact of that on the player base as a whole.

I remember the animation of BoL in Beta being a single blast, not two, affecting three targets. Am I just imagining that?

bellanca6561n · April 2015

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Well if they add cast time to breath of life i personally just give up on templar and go play my sorc. Breath of life was the only thing distinguishing templars from other healing springs spammers and you intend to destroy our only advantage...honestly whats wrong with the devs, have they lost all kind of reason? This game isnt all about PvE...just saying.

it's all about the super vocal sorcs during 1.6 PTS. There was almost no "templar lobby". I hate forum QQ, but I assume it's needed in ESO. This thread is a good start. But tbh, if they ever make AvA icons account wide, I'd just ditch my templar for good. Farmign rank 24 for the skills is alright, farming another year for the rank is something I just don't want to do.

During the testphase even experienced players, who really should have known better, claimed Templars would be overpowered and the next DK. Of course that was complete *** then as well as now.

And remember to thank this gentleman

https://youtu.be/_nECEhg8zeE

Ley · April 2015

If I was working for ZOS, I don't think I could hold back the temptation to come on the forums once in a while and say things like. "After much consideration, we've decided in the next patch to reduce exp earned from all quests by 33%" Wait a couple days for everyone to freak out, then come back and go. "just kidding"

MissBizz · April 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As promised, here is an update for some of the abilities that were called out. Keep in mind we tried to focus only on abilities that appeared to be bugged, and not actual design decisions. We know some of the answers may seem a little vague, but we honestly just don't have a solid date yet for some of these fixes. Hope this helps, though, and let us know if you have any follow up questions!
Breath of Life: This ability appears to have a consistent delay after activation. We plan on increasing the cast time for this ability in a future update.

We promise to be good. We won't throw tantrums anymore... we won't pick fights with each other. Please don't do this.

Cinbri · April 2015

Anyone know why templar is only class without root ability?

Kas · April 2015

bellanca6561n wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Well if they add cast time to breath of life i personally just give up on templar and go play my sorc. Breath of life was the only thing distinguishing templars from other healing springs spammers and you intend to destroy our only advantage...honestly whats wrong with the devs, have they lost all kind of reason? This game isnt all about PvE...just saying.

it's all about the super vocal sorcs during 1.6 PTS. There was almost no "templar lobby". I hate forum QQ, but I assume it's needed in ESO. This thread is a good start. But tbh, if they ever make AvA icons account wide, I'd just ditch my templar for good. Farmign rank 24 for the skills is alright, farming another year for the rank is something I just don't want to do.

During the testphase even experienced players, who really should have known better, claimed Templars would be overpowered and the next DK. Of course that was complete *** then as well as now.

And remember to thank this gentleman

haven't seen this video, because i hated him even before

seriously, every single build video he made in 1.5 had SERIOUS flaws.
on top of it, his mouse sensitivity is too high and 50% of his actions are pintless or even counter-productive.
the funniest was his "guide" to emperor (which he hadn't even achieved) that included stuff like a weird sleeping schedule, etc ...

FireCowCommando · April 2015

Breath of Life is only good because its an instant on demand single target heal spell, nerfing its effectiveness by adding a cast time to make it more in line with other heal spells will instantly make it useless. Why? well it will be in line with the effectiveness of AoE heals, and AoE heals would instantly win the efficiency battle.

effectiveness equalized, AoE turns to be more efficient, BoL would no longer be worth slotting.

But thats just my humble opinion, and if it did matter, i have 60 days played as support templar heals in PvP

Edit: This is more about balance than Bugged skills, which isnt in the direction of the thread, However if there ends up being a Dev looking at this, please consider a Healing Ritual morph with a chance to be instant cast similar to Crystal Fragments, that way i can actually start using that ability for the first time in this game.

FadedJeans · April 2015

Huntler wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Breath of Life: This ability appears to have a consistent delay after activation. We plan on increasing the cast time for this ability in a future update.

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Please don't introduce a cast time for Breath of Life. Pretty please? Pretty pretty please?

Where can I send the sweetroll?

Garion · April 2015

Very interesting to see that ZOS have failed to respond to the BoL concerns. This suggests to me that the change will go ahead as indicated despite the fact that is obviously a terrible idea.

Huntler · April 2015

Well, one can hope with this thread getting bigger and bigger that they'll check back since we pinged Gina to ask for clarification on the breath of life note she added. Dang near holding my breath