Incoming Cyrodiil Vet Rank Change and more

Maulkin

Armitas wrote: »

Mr Wheeler.

There are two bugs just driving me bat nuts bonkers in pvp right now.

1. Cursor bug
When ever you open you map and close it you are in cursor mode and have to hit "." before you can do anything. Once it starts, which seems to be in groups, it's there the until you log out.

2. Chevron and indicators bug.
No group chevrons display or even enemy alliance indicators. Once you got the bug you are stuck with it until you close out the client. When you come back on you will have chevrons until you open your map and when you close it they are all gone again. I have had to quit 5 times to get it to finally stop. I go through this every time I get off work and try to start pvping.

I am sure you already know about them, just letting you know how crazy it's making us.

I'm pretty sure he knows that but that really is not Brian's area of control and responsibility. Group markers, HP Bars and cursors disappear in PvE as well. The people who deal with the game interface (whoever they are) are the people who would be working on it, not the PvP team.

These issues I feel confident will be sorted soon, anyway. The server performance on the other hand....

Horrum

Made my month! I haven't been this amped about ESO since launch. My other games are collecting dust now haha.

This is really awesome!

Armitas

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Mr Wheeler.

There are two bugs just driving me bat nuts bonkers in pvp right now.

1. Cursor bug
When ever you open you map and close it you are in cursor mode and have to hit "." before you can do anything. Once it starts, which seems to be in groups, it's there the until you log out.

2. Chevron and indicators bug.
No group chevrons display or even enemy alliance indicators. Once you got the bug you are stuck with it until you close out the client. When you come back on you will have chevrons until you open your map and when you close it they are all gone again. I have had to quit 5 times to get it to finally stop. I go through this every time I get off work and try to start pvping.

I am sure you already know about them, just letting you know how crazy it's making us.

I'm pretty sure he knows that but that really is not Brian's area of control and responsibility. Group markers, HP Bars and cursors disappear in PvE as well. The people who deal with the game interface (whoever they are) are the people who would be working on it, not the PvP team.

These issues I feel confident will be sorted soon, anyway. The server performance on the other hand....

It doesn't really bother me in PvE where monsters wait for you and you can tell friend from foe, in PvP it's driving me crazy. I mention it to him because he has the authority to say hey can we put some more attention on this it's driving my people mad.

Enodoc

Snit wrote: »

If Cyro-Delves become desirable grinding spots, some PvP will move underground. Does that improve performance above, by spreading folks out?

Should do indeed, as delves are separate instances to overland Cyrodiil. What they need to make sure is working properly is being able to get out of delves if the campaign is pop-locked. I've been stuck in a Cyro delve before because "The destination is full", and I'm sure that shouldn't have happened since delves are supposed to be included as part of the overall Cyrodiil population. (Here's a thread about that)

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Battle leveling is applied to all characters that are not VR1 or higher. We have been working on getting it applied to Vet players that are under the Battle level stats so they can close that gap between VR1 and VR14 players, but this isn't slated for a while still.

why would this be happening if you guys are removing veteren levels?

I expect the removal of VRs is much further away than getting Battle Leveling to existing VRs.

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Battle leveling stats has been increased to roughly a Veteran Rank 12 character with even distribution between stat picks and in moderate gear. This is also being tested with the above change to Cyrodiil being Vet 12. What means this ?
Does this mean you will nerf current stats in PvP or what please explain I dont understand so well

It means that everyone Level 10-49 who is battle-leveled for Cyrodiil will now be scaled to be equivalent to an average VR12 instead of a VR5. No nerfs here.

Ghostbane

@ZOS_BrianWheeler You absolute legend.

On this awesome pvp spree could I ask, the situation around having the Guild Store option with the bank at the factions gates? I'll be honest, on fixing that with vr12+ mats potentially about Cyro. I may never leave...

I'd also like to say I'm renaming my two sons Wheeler and Brian as a tribute to your generosity.

Rylana

Really need guild stores back, yes. With the queues how they are, I cant afford to leave Cyrodiil to buy potions or materials to craft them. Like anyone else I run out too.

Draxys

Armitas wrote: »

Mr Wheeler.

There are two bugs just driving me bat nuts bonkers in pvp right now.

1. Cursor bug
When ever you open you map and close it you are in cursor mode and have to hit "." before you can do anything. Once it starts, which seems to be in groups, it's there the until you log out.

2. Chevron and indicators bug.
No group chevrons display or even enemy alliance indicators. Once you got the bug you are stuck with it until you close out the client. When you come back on you will have chevrons until you open your map and when you close it they are all gone again. I have had to quit 5 times to get it to finally stop. I go through this every time I get off work and try to start pvping.

I am sure you already know about them, just letting you know how crazy it's making us.

reloading ui should fix the cursor bug every time until they patch it

Keron

I guess it really was the case that all resources in ZOS were exclusively used for the 1.6/2.0 changes. The moment it is released we suddenly get responses here. While I think that some of the info you provided to us in these two discussions could and should have been given a little earlier to appease us pvp players, the sudden change of pace is appreciated.

So, again:
Dear PvP Devs, you have my heart-felt thanks for finally acting on our concerns. Keep this going. It's the exact right way to go at it: Fix the "small" things until you find a solution to the "big one" (Lag, of course).

HeroOfNone

Thank you @ZOS_BrianWheeler, is it possible to see some improvements to the PVP capture and scout quests as well?

Olysja

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

....

great changes. i mean, atm 10h of pvp = 2-3cps meanwhile 10h of v10grind=9-10cps. increasing exp from mobs/quests/pvp it will be 10h of pvp = 4/6cps while grinding v10 still be 9-10cps. so the pvp exp still far from bots and grinders but at least is something.. ofc if you increase the exp of v14 contents or give bots/grinders a new place for do so (cyrodiil) you will create a new awesome abyss between pvp pve and grind. in my opinion is a great change, but not enough, i hope more staff members @ZOS_BrianWheeler will try to farm inside this game like players for notice the so big difference between play endgame and play tardgrind game, and i hope they will do it before we reach this summer with 600+ cps differences between those 2 categories.

btw the right values of changes should be 130-150% exp more in outofparty pvp. 80-90%exp more in partypvp . 80-90%exp more in trials/vetdoungeons. 20%exp more in v13-14grind. you should use to check with 16/7 staffplayers users or maybe some professional player before make changes:|

Merlin13KAGL

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In an effort to give Cyrodiil more XP for players of all levels, all monsters and guards in Cyrodiil will now be Veteran Rank 12. Their health and damage have been adjusted to keep their same difficulty\challenge as they currently are at Rank 5. We are currently putting this through internal testing for vets and non vets.

Battle leveling stats has been increased to roughly a Veteran Rank 12 character with even distribution between stat picks and in moderate gear. This is also being tested with the above change to Cyrodiil being Vet 12.

XP for killing players has increased by 50% and we have increased the amount of XP you gain from various quests in Cyrodiil that were not already giving the highest XP reward possible.

We are currently looking at the values of monster XP in Cyrodiil vs. other Veteran Rank zones.



Like the siege damage changes, these will also skip PTS and hit live in a patch forthcoming in the next week (hopefully), so feedback here is appreciated for these changes.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , very cool and long overdue.

I understand the leveling up of monsters (for non-reduced XP's for VR14's). I understand the battle leveling to VR12.

With battle leveling at VR12, though, I don't understand why you aren't just leaving the VR12 monsters at VR12, instead of pre-nerfing them down to VR5 level with a VR12 title?

IMO, the NPC's/monsters in Cyro were already cranked down too far in 1.6 - they go down very easily, especially at VR14.

The improved XP's are great, just not sure why it will be even easier (fight-wise) to obtain them?

IcyDeadPeople

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In an effort to give Cyrodiil more XP for players of all levels, all monsters and guards in Cyrodiil will now be Veteran Rank 12. Their health and damage have been adjusted to keep their same difficulty\challenge as they currently are at Rank 5. We are currently putting this through internal testing for vets and non vets.

Battle leveling stats has been increased to roughly a Veteran Rank 12 character with even distribution between stat picks and in moderate gear. This is also being tested with the above change to Cyrodiil being Vet 12.

XP for killing players has increased by 50% and we have increased the amount of XP you gain from various quests in Cyrodiil that were not already giving the highest XP reward possible.

We are currently looking at the values of monster XP in Cyrodiil vs. other Veteran Rank zones.

Like the siege damage changes, these will also skip PTS and hit live in a patch forthcoming in the next week (hopefully), so feedback here is appreciated for these changes.

This is fantastic news, thanks so much for this update!

From the sound of it, many of us will now be able to simply play the game in the way we enjoy most (PVP), and no longer worry about grinding CP in PVE zones to remain competitive in Cyrodiil.

Enodoc

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

With battle leveling at VR12, though, I don't understand why you aren't just leaving the VR12 monsters at VR12, instead of pre-nerfing them down to VR5 level with a VR12 title?

That's not how I read it. I read it as:

A battle-leveled VR12 will be able to kill a VR12 mob with the same level of difficulty/challenge that they had when they were battle-leveled VR5s killing VR5 mobs.

Which would mean that it will be no easier to kill them, but no harder either.

Sarousse

@ZOS_BrianWheeler you won't split the masses around Cyrodiil as you wished by increasing the xp from pvp kills.

People will zerg even more to get maximum xp from nobrains kills only (hi xp train between Chalman and Arius).

That will cause even more and more lag.

You need to raise the XP from taking keeps and objectives instead of pvp kills,especially for the 3 distant keeps where no one ever goes.

Davadin

ha.

and i JUST log back into this game after 3 months hiatus.

purrrrfeeectttt

Ghostbane

mislucb16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler you won't split the masses around Cyrodiil as you wished by increasing the xp from pvp kills.

That isn't the real point for this.

People will zerg even more to get maximum xp from nobrains kills only (hi xp train between Chalman and Arius).

This will happen regardless, but, the buffs to siege damage and correct usage will dismantle a large portion of most zergs.

That will cause even more and more lag.

This will happen regardless until the network code is improved or the problems are found.

You need to raise the XP from taking keeps and objectives instead of pvp kills,especially for the 3 distant keeps where no one ever goes.

That potentially would encourage more zerging would it not?

An XP bonus for enemy gate home keeps ( offensive + defensive ), you maybe onto something there though.

ladyoldfashion

technohic wrote: »

Is that...is that a tear coming down my face right now?

Yeah. It is. A tear of joy.

ladyoldfashion

It all sounds good. But I have been a v14 for a long long time and stuck. I need more solo stuff.

AlnilamE

Kragorn wrote: »

So yet more ZOS focus on PVP after Eric's nerfbatting round, nothing for PVE.

Still no non-group--or-die way to level beyond VR10.

Dude, they just made ALL OF CYRODIIL "non-group-or-die" at V12.

wraith808 wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

If Cyro-Delves become desirable grinding spots, some PvP will move underground. Does that improve performance above, by spreading folks out?

Have you ever PvP'd unexpectedly in a delve? It's one of the most awesome experiences in Cyrodiil. I hope that it does drive people underground...

Some of our best guild stories are of unexpected PvP in delves in Cyrodiil!

Merlin13KAGL

Enodoc wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

With battle leveling at VR12, though, I don't understand why you aren't just leaving the VR12 monsters at VR12, instead of pre-nerfing them down to VR5 level with a VR12 title?

That's not how I read it. I read it as:

A battle-leveled VR12 will be able to kill a VR12 mob with the same level of difficulty/challenge that they had when they were battle-leveled VR5s killing VR5 mobs.

Which would mean that it will be no easier to kill them, but no harder either.

@Enodoc , I hope so. If that's the case, I'm all for it. It'll also crank it back up some for those VR12+ vs how it is now. Will be nice to see the battle leveling actually level the battle some more, too, for the lower levels.

I want to have to work for it again, at least a little.

I would like to see some VR13 & VR14 PvE stuff in there though, for gear drops, if nothing else.

Crag, CoA, and DSA shouldn't be the only gear resource for those above VR12.

Mystikkal

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Battle leveling stats has been increased to roughly a Veteran Rank 12 character with even distribution between stat picks and in moderate gear. This is also being tested with the above change to Cyrodiil being Vet 12.

Sorry, but can someone explain what this means to me?

HeroOfNone

Mystikkal wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Battle leveling stats has been increased to roughly a Veteran Rank 12 character with even distribution between stat picks and in moderate gear. This is also being tested with the above change to Cyrodiil being Vet 12.

Sorry, but can someone explain what this means to me?

Low levels, below v12, having their stats boosted so they are still a threat in Cyrodiil

Enodoc

Mystikkal wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Battle leveling stats has been increased to roughly a Veteran Rank 12 character with even distribution between stat picks and in moderate gear. This is also being tested with the above change to Cyrodiil being Vet 12.

Sorry, but can someone explain what this means to me?

Battle-leveling is a feature in Cyrodiil in which Level 10-49 players have their health, magicka, stamina, armour and damage stats "scaled up" to a higher value so they are more competitive against Veteran players, who have higher value stats naturally. Previously, battle-leveling scaled players up to the equivalent of an average VR5. With this change, players will now have their stats scaled up to the equivalent of an average VR12.

Mystikkal

Thanks. I knew they adjusted peoples stats, didn't know it was called Battle Leveling stats. Makes sense - sounds like a good change.

Islyn

Lfg guard slay grind

firewatch

lfg to gank guard slay grinders

Islyn

firewatch wrote: »

lfg to gank guard slay grinders

Should be fun!

Lorkhan

chillrend was unplayable last night. just to report

Islyn

Lorkhan wrote: »

chillrend was unplayable last night. just to report

Wrong thread. End of the queue and pointy hat for you.

Emma_Overload

wraith808 wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

If Cyro-Delves become desirable grinding spots, some PvP will move underground. Does that improve performance above, by spreading folks out?

Have you ever PvP'd unexpectedly in a delve? It's one of the most awesome experiences in Cyrodiil. I hope that it does drive people underground...

Actually, the ONLY times I've enjoyed PvP are when I ran into an enemy players by surprise while questing for skyshards. There is no zerg lag underground! ...yet.