ESO Needs Small Scale PvP.

Valymer

vkayne_ESO wrote: »

A self-portait, I presume?

vkayne_ESO

Valymer wrote: »

vkayne_ESO wrote: »

A self-portait, I presume?

Nah, I'm closer to this…

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Naivefanboi

eldermpsmithrwb17_ESO wrote: »

One that has played GW2 which has both large scale and small scale (4v4) does not affect either, actually attracts more players

I would love small scale pvp

thats a good point on the killing cyrodil argument.
i dont think we need rankings, the games balance is kinda of a joke. but if we had smaller scale instanced battlegrounds where we had more action and at a faster pace, less running into a stealthed zerg /horse simulator.

its a horrible example but theres been quite a few times where i thought of bettlegrounds from past games and just wished i could play those maps with eso characters and combat.

inMorsAeterna

Naivefanboi wrote: »

thats a good point on the killing cyrodil argument.
i dont think we need rankings, the games balance is kinda of a joke. but if we had smaller scale instanced battlegrounds where we had more action and at a faster pace, less running into a stealthed zerg /horse simulator.

its a horrible example but theres been quite a few times where i thought of bettlegrounds from past games and just wished i could play those maps with eso characters and combat.

To be fair to the developers they have been making great balancing choices every patch since release (overall.) The game is significantly more balanced than it was previously. And i'm sure after the console versions are released they will continue to balance it more and more.

Some_Jerk

Should be 1v1 and possibly 2v2 purely for fun, all point gains should be kept in cyro

Dre4dwolfb14_ESO

Open world pvp instance zone.

The way the game works now is , you are phased into a zone on the megaserver... right?
Why not have an open pvp phase that players can switch to . . . same game, same server . . . you just /phase pvpmode
and BOOM everyone who wants to play on pvp side can do so.
and
Everyone who cries on the forums out against pvp ever being a part of the game in any fun way can /noobmode themselves and it would be like they never existed.

^^

/challenge to duel is *** , do you go up to people randomly in the street and say "excuse me Mr. i would like to fight you??" no you walk up to them and punch them in the mouth.... well atleast if you meant business you would.

^^

SHADOW2KK

Dre4dwolfb14_ESO wrote: »

Open world pvp instance zone.

The way the game works now is , you are phased into a zone on the megaserver... right?
Why not have an open pvp phase that players can switch to . . . same game, same server . . . you just /phase pvpmode
and BOOM everyone who wants to play on pvp side can do so.
and
Everyone who cries on the forums out against pvp ever being a part of the game in any fun way can /noobmode themselves and it would be like they never existed.

^^

Interesting solution but some people would still rant about it, its human nature and the nature of the wilderness of opinions, no one can agree completely on everything lol

SHADOW2KK

Valymer wrote: »

vkayne_ESO wrote: »

A self-portait, I presume?

That pic is just so wrong on so many levels....

Dre4dwolfb14_ESO

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Dre4dwolfb14_ESO wrote: »

Open world pvp instance zone.

The way the game works now is , you are phased into a zone on the megaserver... right?
Why not have an open pvp phase that players can switch to . . . same game, same server . . . you just /phase pvpmode
and BOOM everyone who wants to play on pvp side can do so.
and
Everyone who cries on the forums out against pvp ever being a part of the game in any fun way can /noobmode themselves and it would be like they never existed.

^^

Interesting solution but some people would still rant about it, its human nature and the nature of the wilderness of opinions, no one can agree completely on everything lol

Its funny how people can complain about something that doesn't even impact how THEY would play the game.
lol

It seems to me that people who are against pvp in any form simply do not want pvp in the game because they know that one of their friends would completely wreck them and they can't take a little virtual hand to hand combat.


For me whenever you play a game you always tested your character to see how it stacks up against other characters in combat, if you can 2shot someone you know that person needs to fix something. . . if you get two shotted you go and fix something to change that.

PvP gives incentive to players to improve/keep playing, if there is no incentive people will eventually grow tired of facerolling NPCS and quit.

Makkir

You don't want anything added right now that will take away from Cyrodiil. All that will do is cause them to collapse more campaigns when you got only 1 bar for each faction playing in Cyrodiil.

inMorsAeterna

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Dre4dwolfb14_ESO wrote: »

Its funny how people can complain about something that doesn't even impact how THEY would play the game.
lol

I couldn't agree more with your statement. Just because someone doesn't like small scale pvp doesn't mean they should try to ruin it for everyone who does.

Makkir wrote: »

You don't want anything added right now that will take away from Cyrodiil. All that will do is cause them to collapse more campaigns when you got only 1 bar for each faction playing in Cyrodiil.

The campaigns have been fully pop locked during prime time for the last few weeks. I highly doubt an arena is going to kill Cyrodiil. Also please refer to the first posts spoiler section for more reasons why this scenario is likely.

Valymer

Makkir wrote: »

You don't want anything added right now that will take away from Cyrodiil. All that will do is cause them to collapse more campaigns when you got only 1 bar for each faction playing in Cyrodiil.

Nothing could possibly take away from Cyrodiil more than its current technical issues.

Molsondry

Makkir wrote: »

You don't want anything added right now that will take away from Cyrodiil. All that will do is cause them to collapse more campaigns when you got only 1 bar for each faction playing in Cyrodiil.

Nothing will be taking from cyro , well maybe some little lag(Little less population) And high end pvp player

Yes those player that you constantly cry about in the forum . well they will be doing small scall pvp instead of ganking you in cyro ... cauz you know... they have nothing else to do right now.

And not adding the small scale pvp will end up in hte same situation of adding some towards Cyro . No small scale pvp. pvper get bored .. quit the game .. Not in cyro anymore .. so .... Same result no?

Bouvin

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO wrote: »

Then you would destroy Cyrodiil pvp.

I think the lag and zerg balls already did that.

inMorsAeterna

for those of you who would love to see small scale pvp in game; there is a petition you can sign.

Sign the petition for Small Scale PVP: goo.gl/oqQAiX

Loves_guars

Only if they have objectives. I find deathmatches very boring.

sheggorathb16_ESO

People will always find ways around the rules of a game, thats just how pvp is... What matters is how the game devs deal with it...

That said if its possible to pull it off I'd love to see some rated arena pvp type thing. After all thats how you get to be an eSport and get more streamers playing it seriously... sure it brings in a hardcore crowd, though I've already seen people seriously min-maxing and that hasnt affected the game too badly I think. You still apparently need certain roles and specific builds end game to survive, but thats just how it is. If you could stroll in and beat an end boss only wearing a kilt with a helm, healing staff and a dagger people would be crying about it being too easy, if you could beat it of course. If you dont you just get tossed out on your kilt... some people just dont understand fashion...

SHADOW2KK

Dre4dwolfb14_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Dre4dwolfb14_ESO wrote: »

Open world pvp instance zone.

The way the game works now is , you are phased into a zone on the megaserver... right?
Why not have an open pvp phase that players can switch to . . . same game, same server . . . you just /phase pvpmode
and BOOM everyone who wants to play on pvp side can do so.
and
Everyone who cries on the forums out against pvp ever being a part of the game in any fun way can /noobmode themselves and it would be like they never existed.

^^

Interesting solution but some people would still rant about it, its human nature and the nature of the wilderness of opinions, no one can agree completely on everything lol

Its funny how people can complain about something that doesn't even impact how THEY would play the game.
lol

It seems to me that people who are against pvp in any form simply do not want pvp in the game because they know that one of their friends would completely wreck them and they can't take a little virtual hand to hand combat.


For me whenever you play a game you always tested your character to see how it stacks up against other characters in combat, if you can 2shot someone you know that person needs to fix something. . . if you get two shotted you go and fix something to change that.

PvP gives incentive to players to improve/keep playing, if there is no incentive people will eventually grow tired of facerolling NPCS and quit.

Agreed, personally I love hand to hand combat, best form of combat there is IMO.

This is why I specifically enjoy killing magic users:P

PvP is dynamic, exciting, you pit your skills and wits against your enemies and either kill them or be killed.

Warriors need a challenge or its boring...

SHADOW2KK

sheggorathb16_ESO wrote: »

People will always find ways around the rules of a game, thats just how pvp is... What matters is how the game devs deal with it...

That said if its possible to pull it off I'd love to see some rated arena pvp type thing. After all thats how you get to be an eSport and get more streamers playing it seriously... sure it brings in a hardcore crowd, though I've already seen people seriously min-maxing and that hasnt affected the game too badly I think. You still apparently need certain roles and specific builds end game to survive, but thats just how it is. If you could stroll in and beat an end boss only wearing a kilt with a helm, healing staff and a dagger people would be crying about it being too easy, if you could beat it of course. If you dont you just get tossed out on your kilt... some people just dont understand fashion...

Lol, well I have to say am actually Scottish, and there is no way in hell that a typical scot would go into battle with a kilt and a staff, we would go in with a kilt and a claymore and roar at the boss before killing him.

Just saying...

Other points you raised are fair enough:}

sheggorathb16_ESO

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

sheggorathb16_ESO wrote: »

People will always find ways around the rules of a game, thats just how pvp is... What matters is how the game devs deal with it...

That said if its possible to pull it off I'd love to see some rated arena pvp type thing. After all thats how you get to be an eSport and get more streamers playing it seriously... sure it brings in a hardcore crowd, though I've already seen people seriously min-maxing and that hasnt affected the game too badly I think. You still apparently need certain roles and specific builds end game to survive, but thats just how it is. If you could stroll in and beat an end boss only wearing a kilt with a helm, healing staff and a dagger people would be crying about it being too easy, if you could beat it of course. If you dont you just get tossed out on your kilt... some people just dont understand fashion...

Lol, well I have to say am actually Scottish, and there is no way in hell that a typical scot would go into battle with a kilt and a staff, we would go in with a kilt and a claymore and roar at the boss before killing him.

Just saying...

Other points you raised are fair enough:}

I'm aware of highland combat, I figured going full highlander with a 2 handed sword would be too logical... and obviously the boss would just run away screaming if it could which wouldnt help my point... if I had one...

SHADOW2KK

sheggorathb16_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

sheggorathb16_ESO wrote: »

People will always find ways around the rules of a game, thats just how pvp is... What matters is how the game devs deal with it...

That said if its possible to pull it off I'd love to see some rated arena pvp type thing. After all thats how you get to be an eSport and get more streamers playing it seriously... sure it brings in a hardcore crowd, though I've already seen people seriously min-maxing and that hasnt affected the game too badly I think. You still apparently need certain roles and specific builds end game to survive, but thats just how it is. If you could stroll in and beat an end boss only wearing a kilt with a helm, healing staff and a dagger people would be crying about it being too easy, if you could beat it of course. If you dont you just get tossed out on your kilt... some people just dont understand fashion...

Lol, well I have to say am actually Scottish, and there is no way in hell that a typical scot would go into battle with a kilt and a staff, we would go in with a kilt and a claymore and roar at the boss before killing him.

Just saying...

Other points you raised are fair enough:}

I'm aware of highland combat, I figured going full highlander with a 2 handed sword would be too logical... and obviously the boss would just run away screaming if it could which wouldnt help my point... if I had one...

Just gave you an awesome for that hehe.

noobfury

If they added arena , I for one would never use them.

Rather than add arenas they should focus on making AVA more viable .

Adding better rewards/incentive could make a huge difference .

newtinmpls

Makkir wrote: »

You don't want anything added right now that will take away from Cyrodiil. All that will do is cause them to collapse more campaigns when you got only 1 bar for each faction playing in Cyrodiil.

I'd like to see small scale PvP added in a way that would benefit Cyrodiil

marcelo.c7b16_ESO

"I don't want them to add Feature A because I wouldn't play it"... I'll never understand this mindset. Anyway, yes to small scale PVP, 10v10 or 5v5 etc. I agree that it would bring about the whole "Why isn't my class the best at 1v1" or" Why isn't the game based around arenas" issue, but seeing as people will literally complain about anything these days, I say we can take one more. Give people more alternatives as to what to do and you'll make the game better overall.

Sausage

I disagree. there isnt class vs class, nerf this, buff this, I quit if you dont do so, because there isnt duels and small scale PVP, simple fact is that players dont know whats good and whats not, so they cant demand changes. Not to mention monthly PVP balance updates takes alot of resources too.

Valymer

Sausage wrote: »

I disagree. there isnt class vs class, nerf this, buff this, I quit if you dont do so, because there isnt duels and small scale PVP

New to the forums, I see?

Razzak

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

ZOS and ESO would benefit from adding a small scale structured PVP. Many that are interested in PVP don't like Cyrodiil, so they don't participate in it.

Seriously, how many people who are big enough PvP fans that they'd make ample use of arenas are at the same time not big enough PvP fans to step foot in Cyrodiil at all? If these people exist, I highly doubt they're anything but a tiny niche of the population.

Don't know what the number of them all is, but I am one of those that would often participate in small scale PVP, while I don't bother with Cyrodiil. Except for getting skyshard points, but that is not PVP.
So, as far as I am concerned, enough.

Anilahation

one thing I've wanted for awhile... pls ZOS

Uviryth

No....
NoNo
Nnnnooo
No, just no
nononononono
bad OP, badbadbad
<slaps Attorneyatlawl on the nose with a rolled up newspaper>
shoooshoo, go back to WoW, shoooooooooo

inMorsAeterna

Uviryth wrote: »

No....
NoNo
Nnnnooo
No, just no
nononononono
bad OP, badbadbad
<slaps Attorneyatlawl on the nose with a rolled up newspaper>
shoooshoo, go back to WoW, shoooooooooo

great point, we definitely shouldn't have small scale PvP. I can't believe I didn't see that before.