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Can we get a hotfix on PTS?
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McDoogs✭✭✭✭No, I meant lunch. And I was referring to urgency, not difficulty, though I suspect it shouldn't be too hard to find. If you can reproduce a bug and know it was introduced in the latest patch, that narrows things down a lot.
It's only PTS not live luckily. And well since it's at least somewhat related to CP and only 3600 points put in. I have to say that it might be bit hard to find what combination there is causing insane increase on damage. But if someone really can say that maybe putting that 100 points into that specific star causes it to roll over or something that will cause the damage just by looking at brawler damage then nice.
I suspect it will take some time to find out what is actually causing something like that if it is even just one nominator, can be multiple ones together causing it.
It is 'only PTS', but considering that PTS (aka the user acceptance test for ESO) is the last pre-production phase of development it is troubling that major, gamebreaking flaws like this are making it through dev AND QA AND a regression test suite that has been been developed for over a year.Edited by McDoogs on February 11, 2015 1:15PM3 -
C0pp3rhead✭✭✭✭I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me."Things which are alike in nature grow to look alike, and the speaking stones have lain a long time lookin' at the sun. Some believe they descend with the lightning, but I believe they are on the ground and are projected downward by the bolt."
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Syntse✭✭✭✭✭C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts". Some players are just more innovative on doing stuff. As dev you try to play the game as designed, players in the other hand "sometimes" tries to play the game as it was not designed and find the flaws.Syntse Dominion Khajiit Dragonknight Stamina Tank [50]
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McDoogs✭✭✭✭C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts". Some players are just more innovative on doing stuff. As dev you try to play the game as designed, players in the other hand "sometimes" tries to play the game as it was not designed and find the flaws.
That would be an incredibly unprofessional way to approach software development, in any industry.3 -
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✭C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts".
That's not how it works.
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✭C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts".
That's not how it works.
Oh, but it IS how it works in MMOs. It is also WHY systems like PTS exist, so players can break the system and it can be fixed before going live. Some players have a knack for finding ways to exploit the system. Nice ones just /bug it. Not so nice ones exploit it until someone cries foul. then crow about it to the world, saying "Its not an exploit, its WAI". (see abuse of chains, abuse of dragon leap, abuse of streak, scroll exploiting,)Edited by Darlgon on February 11, 2015 2:14PMPower level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.2 -
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✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Huh. Well, this is exciting. We'll take a look at this in the morning and let you all know what's up.
How about resetting everyones CP to 70, or 100 or 150, or even 500. Something reasonable.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
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McDoogs✭✭✭✭C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts".
That's not how it works.
Oh, but it IS how it works in MMOs. It is also WHY systems like PTS exist, so players can break the system and it can be fixed before going live. Some players have a knack for finding ways to exploit the system. Nice ones just /bug it. Not so nice ones exploit it until someone cries foul. then crow about it to the world. (see abuse of chains, abuse of dragon leap, abuse of streak, scroll exploiting,)
lol no it isnt. No professional development team in any industry at any level conducts testing by saying "This probably works..." It may seem like that when several people are incompetent and gamebreaking bugs leak out of internal builds into public builds, but in order to develop and release any complex software suite it requires methodical dev/qa cycles as well as regression testing. This is just a case that ZOS's internal people screwed the pooch, violently.2 -
cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts".
That's not how it works.
Oh, but it IS how it works in MMOs. It is also WHY systems like PTS exist, so players can break the system and it can be fixed before going live. Some players have a knack for finding ways to exploit the system. Nice ones just /bug it. Not so nice ones exploit it until someone cries foul. then crow about it to the world. (see abuse of chains, abuse of dragon leap, abuse of streak, scroll exploiting,)
lol no it isnt. No professional development team in any industry at any level conducts testing by saying "This probably works..." It may seem like that when several people are incompetent and gamebreaking bugs leak out of internal builds into public builds, but in order to develop and release any complex software suite it requires methodical dev/qa cycles as well as regression testing. This is just a case that ZOS's internal people screwed the pooch, violently.
it is going to take time for them to find all the bugs with this kind of open end system, i am not suprised someone found a bug that they have not. this is basically square 1 again. remember launch all the out of control combos people found, well expect to see that again.Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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No, it's not. PTS is the last place testing occurs. Internal testing is meant to eliminate major, easily reproducible bugs before the new build makes it to live. PTS is meant to uncover fringe bugs that are much more rare and more difficult to reproduce consistently. Yes, sometimes major bugs get by internal QA but people were abusing this bug within hours of the PTS going up, something like this should not have made it to the PTS stage of testing.C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts".
That's not how it works.
Oh, but it IS how it works in MMOs. It is also WHY systems like PTS exist, so players can break the system and it can be fixed before going live. Some players have a knack for finding ways to exploit the system. Nice ones just /bug it. Not so nice ones exploit it until someone cries foul. then crow about it to the world, saying "Its not an exploit, its WAI". (see abuse of chains, abuse of dragon leap, abuse of streak, scroll exploiting,)Edited by LtCrunch on February 11, 2015 2:29PMNerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/162 -
McDoogs✭✭✭✭cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts".
That's not how it works.
Oh, but it IS how it works in MMOs. It is also WHY systems like PTS exist, so players can break the system and it can be fixed before going live. Some players have a knack for finding ways to exploit the system. Nice ones just /bug it. Not so nice ones exploit it until someone cries foul. then crow about it to the world. (see abuse of chains, abuse of dragon leap, abuse of streak, scroll exploiting,)
lol no it isnt. No professional development team in any industry at any level conducts testing by saying "This probably works..." It may seem like that when several people are incompetent and gamebreaking bugs leak out of internal builds into public builds, but in order to develop and release any complex software suite it requires methodical dev/qa cycles as well as regression testing. This is just a case that ZOS's internal people screwed the pooch, violently.
it is going to take time for them to find all the bugs with this kind of open end system, i am not suprised someone found a bug that they have not. this is basically square 1 again. remember launch all the out of control combos people found, well expect to see that again.
Haha non software professionals are very forgiving I guess. I see this as extreme amateur hour (also the fact that it was found in minutes but hasnt been fixed yet is embarassing). If I broke one of my company's applications this bad I'd be working overnight to fix/test/build/deploy a new version to UAT.
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No, it's not. PTS is the last place testing occurs. Internal testing is meant to eliminate major, easily reproducible bugs before the new build makes it to live. PTS is meant to uncover fringe bugs that are much more rare and more difficult to reproduce consistently. Yes major bugs get by internal QA but people were abusing this bug within hours of thE PTS going up, something like this should not have made it to the PTS stage of testing.C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts".
That's not how it works.
Oh, but it IS how it works in MMOs. It is also WHY systems like PTS exist, so players can break the system and it can be fixed before going live. Some players have a knack for finding ways to exploit the system. Nice ones just /bug it. Not so nice ones exploit it until someone cries foul. then crow about it to the world, saying "Its not an exploit, its WAI". (see abuse of chains, abuse of dragon leap, abuse of streak, scroll exploiting,)
So tell me.. How many people are running with 2H and spamming Momentum on live server atm? This IS a FRINGE bug.Edited by Darlgon on February 11, 2015 2:30PMPower level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.2 -
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No, it's not. PTS is the last place testing occurs. Internal testing is meant to eliminate major, easily reproducible bugs before the new build makes it to live. PTS is meant to uncover fringe bugs that are much more rare and more difficult to reproduce consistently. Yes major bugs get by internal QA but people were abusing this bug within hours of thE PTS going up, something like this should not have made it to the PTS stage of testing.C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts".
That's not how it works.
Oh, but it IS how it works in MMOs. It is also WHY systems like PTS exist, so players can break the system and it can be fixed before going live. Some players have a knack for finding ways to exploit the system. Nice ones just /bug it. Not so nice ones exploit it until someone cries foul. then crow about it to the world, saying "Its not an exploit, its WAI". (see abuse of chains, abuse of dragon leap, abuse of streak, scroll exploiting,)
So tell me.. How many people are running with 2H and spamming Momentum on live server atm? This IS a FRINGE bug.
It's not a fringe bug when it was so quickly discovered by so many and is so easily reproducible.
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McDoogs✭✭✭✭If they can't catch major obvious game breaking bugs like this internally, what kind of subtle bugs/exploits are slipping through the cracks?3
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✭If they can't catch major obvious game breaking bugs like this internally, what kind of subtle bugs/exploits are slipping through the cracks?
Thats easy. I submitted five or more bug reports while setting up my skills yesterday. A LOT.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
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No, it's not. PTS is the last place testing occurs. Internal testing is meant to eliminate major, easily reproducible bugs before the new build makes it to live. PTS is meant to uncover fringe bugs that are much more rare and more difficult to reproduce consistently. Yes major bugs get by internal QA but people were abusing this bug within hours of thE PTS going up, something like this should not have made it to the PTS stage of testing.C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts".
That's not how it works.
Oh, but it IS how it works in MMOs. It is also WHY systems like PTS exist, so players can break the system and it can be fixed before going live. Some players have a knack for finding ways to exploit the system. Nice ones just /bug it. Not so nice ones exploit it until someone cries foul. then crow about it to the world, saying "Its not an exploit, its WAI". (see abuse of chains, abuse of dragon leap, abuse of streak, scroll exploiting,)
So tell me.. How many people are running with 2H and spamming Momentum on live server atm? This IS a FRINGE bug.
It's not a fringe bug when it was so quickly discovered by so many and is so easily reproducible.
lol this, what was it, an hour or two after server up that this thread was created?0 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerGuys, we're looking at this now. Please keep this thread constructive while we investigate the root cause. Thanks!5 -
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No, it's not. PTS is the last place testing occurs. Internal testing is meant to eliminate major, easily reproducible bugs before the new build makes it to live. PTS is meant to uncover fringe bugs that are much more rare and more difficult to reproduce consistently. Yes major bugs get by internal QA but people were abusing this bug within hours of thE PTS going up, something like this should not have made it to the PTS stage of testing.C0pp3rhead wrote: »I'm with @McDoogs on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.
I have a feeling that their own private testing is just based on theory. "In theory this should work and not cause conflicts".
That's not how it works.
Oh, but it IS how it works in MMOs. It is also WHY systems like PTS exist, so players can break the system and it can be fixed before going live. Some players have a knack for finding ways to exploit the system. Nice ones just /bug it. Not so nice ones exploit it until someone cries foul. then crow about it to the world, saying "Its not an exploit, its WAI". (see abuse of chains, abuse of dragon leap, abuse of streak, scroll exploiting,)
So tell me.. How many people are running with 2H and spamming Momentum on live server atm? This IS a FRINGE bug.
It's not a fringe bug when it was so quickly discovered by so many and is so easily reproducible.
People really do look for these exploits. In the first few months of GW2, I was in Vent, running a dungeon with a guy who bragged that his ENTIRE GUILD, their only goal was to find and abuse exploits in games. We killed four mobs, got to a crack in the landscape and ran outside the world until we go to the final boss, skipping 4 mini-bosses and hundreds of trash mobs. He claimed they all shared their exploits with their guild, and with any others who grouped with them, until the exploit was fixed.
Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Guys, we're looking at this now. Please keep this thread constructive while we investigate the root cause. Thanks!
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Good to know. Thanks for the update. Once the bug is pinpointed can we expect any insight into what is causing it? I'm curious if it's related to the champion system, buffs not going away or something else.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Guys, we're looking at this now. Please keep this thread constructive while we investigate the root cause. Thanks!
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✭while having a 2h equiped you get more dmg with every weapon swap
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Lies!while having a 2h equiped you get more dmg with every weapon swap
you only have to weapon swap like 100 times and you insta kill everything
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On your 2h weapon bar. Soloed vet dsa and duot sanctum ophidia. Seems quite right this way
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niocwy✭✭✭while having a 2h equiped you get more dmg with every weapon swap
you only have to weapon swap like 100 times and you insta kill everything
Correct me if i'm wrong : in live, when you cast Momentum, you get a weapon power buff. If you then swap bars to another weapon, this buff disappear, and it comes back when you swap back to your 2H bar. Maybe it's something related to that mechanic.
Or it's just plain and simple buff stacking, since witnesses were also talking about War Horn...Look at my profile picture. Visualize that muffin...smelling it...taking a bite...
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✭On pts momentum is a general weapon dmg buff. you can use it on 2h and it works with bow, dw etc0 -
niocwy✭✭✭On pts momentum is a general weapon dmg buff. you can use it on 2h and it works with bow, dw etc
Yeah, I know, that's why I think it may be it. Since they changed it, there's also a change they made a mistake while doing it.
But even if that's the case I wonder why it hasn't appeared before since this change was already here last week.
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*tries again*![:\](https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
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