Can't heal with a bow!

Robocles

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Interesting so lets see what does shield/one hand passives have to do with healing? They give you survivability if you draw aggro until hopefully the tank notices but they won't improve the heals. What about two Hander? Destro staff? By your logic the only option for a healer to have is a restro stave might as well dual bar it then right?

"It seems to me like the OP actually spent 4h and failed at the second boss in FG so I am unsure of how effective that build is."-PBpsy.
What is funny is that run was after I spent 6k to respec as I was curious about how the Restro stave would work out.

Gyudan wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Meta builds

This topic is about a healer with a bow. In my opinion this is very unlikely to work.
Bow = Stamina, Weapon damage, Weapon crit
Healing with only class abilities = Magicka, Spell damage, Spell crit
Please let me know if you manage to optimize that and have enough Health to survive a vet dungeon.

Ok how is this all stats into magic. glyphs on major pieces magic, the Atronoch as the chosen constellation, Warlock amulet and ring to put me 3 points from magic regeneration cap. Then magica potions if things get really harry. Along with the two Templar heals place snare, knock back, and snipe on the heal bar. Keep mobile when there is an opportunity to finish off adds particularly casters take it. When you pull aggro use the knockback too create distance and stun the target. Focus on breath of life and staying out of the red.

"I had a Templar try to heal a vet WS this was someone who used a bow also, I'm not familiar with the Templar healers ability names but that healer would drop a circle under me as a tank, we all know you move a bit during the first boss, then he had to what appeared to be cast another heal."-Xjcon

He was likely dropping circle of protection or perhaps rune focus, both raise armor and resists. So what if you have to move out of that area of the buff it will help you survive that instance and in the case of CoP it raises the healing you receive. I am not sure what fight you where on but for the majority of boss fights in the dungeons you have to be mobile. So the HPS you gain from the stave has to be mobile too. Even with the stave equipped Breath of Life, the lowly Templar heal, is my go to just because it goes to the most in need in the shortest amount of time.

"Then he would start shooting the boss with his bow rather then res the dps he let die,"-Xjcon

Maybe the DPS should of moved out of red? Maybe they shouldn't of tried to burn down the boss by themselves? Maybe the healer did try and heal them but it was a special attack that was more then the heal? Or maybe he was under aggro or made a simple mistake? See it is funny because that is the attitude that is prevalent. The healer is always held accountable regardless of what action the other player took.


As to the statement of the mana return with stave use. Yes that is nice but not always feasible to stop target and heavy attack. If you know how to manage potions you can use that path.

So you have a full magicka setup and try to dps with a bow? Brilliant.

Come here just to troll without explaining your position?
This is brilliant

What's to explain? You are saying you want to dps with a bow with a full magicka setup.

Robocles

PBpsy wrote: »

Ok . I changed my mind about the subject. Anyone want to run Vet Spindle with me? I will heal you to death with my Funnel health and Sap essence on my 2X destro NB.I just need you to be very awesome and take no freaking damage the entire time.If you are a noob and will take any damage when you are hit It is certainly not my fault.

Any takers on NA?.
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Actually if there are a people that want to try it for the lulz. I am willing.

Can I DPS with my Resto/Resto Templar?

TehMagnus

Gyudan wrote: »

***_Hero wrote: »

I got kicked out of a group before he even saw what I could do with my build. He said that he wouldn't play around with ppl that messed around and played the way the want to with some useless build. Lol. Elitist *** bags. This champion system coming out better allow ppl to be more versatile with their builds. Eff elitist.

Find some friends and play with them.
Most players aren't willing to risk wasting an entire hour wiping in a dungeon because one of the group members is using a less than optimal build and drags everyone down.

I don't mind having fun with guildies that I know.
I mind wasting time with randoms that I'll never see again.

What he said.

Tonnopesce

itsBishop wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

dead stuff does less damage, less healing req
people have their own heals they to need take some responsibility
burst heals and cheap ultimate for Templars for *** hitting fan moments
you get to kill stuff and enjoy a little variety in your game instead just spam HoT's
its ok for a healer to be selfish, everyone else has that liberty

Hope you enjoy that repair bill after grouping with the healer who really wants to pump out his wicked awesome 400 DPS in lieu of actually keeping you alive.

Like other have mentioned: you need to maximize you effectiveness in your role before starting to dabble into someone else's. Sure, I generally slot DPS skills for vet dungeon runs and often contribute considerably to the total damage done to bosses/trash, but as soon as someone takes a solid hit I immediately switch back and do the job that I was pulled in to do. If you find yourself in a situation where you're consistently blaming group deaths on DPS and/or tank missteps you really need to reevaluate your own performance. A good healer can keep groups alive through a ridiculous amount of screw-ups. That's your job, first and foremost. Once you've mastered that you're free to put on your DPS pants on the weekends.

I really really enjoied to hear this, loot of time when running a dungeon as tank i found myself alone while the others are died and the healer say "sorry i was doing DPS".
So OK to slot a DPS bar expecially if you are a templar (my templar set-up has this option, no i'm not on that argument anymore) do DPS for a healer is like a tank go in a dungeon without the aggro. You are just not on the role you pretend to be (OK it can help the group or what i've told till now will be wothless)

Yesterday i was in a pug group with a destro\destro templar claiming to be a healer and i didnt noticed since a staff is a staff.......
I was really happy to do the DPS and i was in my role... And then we have arrived into a tough boss (it was the gargoyle with the DPS race at the end... Cant remember the dungeon name) and we wiped, so i've noticed that only templar healing where incoming and no resto staff healing.
At the second group death i' ve decided to help a little the healer with my heals but since i was in DPS set up the heals i was doing where not so effective.
Btw we manager to go tru the boss till the next one and than i've realized that a templar even if he has a magika set up without a resto staff cannot be considered a healer.
We died two more times and then i've decided to go away it was not possibile to go on.
I've searched for another group swiched to resto\bow and i've done the dungeon as a healer without problems.

@ op
In pve is not possibile to heal without a resto IMO but if you enjoy more of the game, pvp is for you (when i will finish the undauted passive i want to respec and eliminate the restoration staff from my carachter)
In pvp you can heal with a bow since evry healing incoming is welcome and no one cares if you do 1k or 500 , evryting is good if helps

timidobserver

zaria wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I hate to say it, but bow just isn't good for healing. A bow does not bring anything at all to your healing.

I don't think the Bow is supposed to add anything to healing, OP is saying they can heal well enough without having a Staff equiped, the Bow is to snipe mobs while healing.

And if OP can do it, then fair enough. I would probably give the healer the benefit of the doubt, because the mechanics of the game are simple enough, so any healer would have a pretty good idea what they can get away with.

As a healer you shoudn't be doing anything that doesn't add anything to or detracts from your healing. The same goes for DPS and Tanking. When you have a bunch of people trying and failing to perform 2-3 different roles you end up in FG for 4 hours as the OP described in his post.

That was because the group was not very good
Two of them had not done it before, general low but even level, probably not very good gear, and so on.

Backup is an dps who takes over tank or healing if either is either killed or not avail like with the chaining or sent to room with spiders and tanking or healing is needed.

That is the difference between a excellent, specialized healer and a passable healer that is thinned out by trying to do to much. When you focus all of your effort on becoming an excellent healer, you can potentially carry a couple of bad players. On the other hand, if you are happy with being just barely adequate, a few bad players will kill your group and leave you in FG for 4 hours.

grimsfield

i tank in light armor and heal wit sword and shield, so why shoudlnt you be able to with a bow?

thesilverball_ESO

grimsfield wrote: »

i tank in light armor and heal wit sword and shield, so why shoudlnt you be able to with a bow?

timidobserver wrote: »

That is the difference between a excellent, specialized healer and a passable healer that is thinned out by trying to do to much. When you focus all of your effort on becoming an excellent healer, you can potentially carry a couple of bad players. On the other hand, if you are happy with being just barely adequate, a few bad players will kill your group and leave you in FG for 4 hours.

To answer your question. I agree with Timidobserver. I think he stated it best.
I just don't think someone can be very good at it if they are too diverse in their build. But, play how you want and have fun with it. It is a game after all. There are lots of folks to group up with in the game.

briandivisionb16_ESO

Having to stay relevant and be competitive is encouraged by ESO.
They have things like DPS races, whereas I'd wish for more strategy situations.

Ommamar

Robocles wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Interesting so lets see what does shield/one hand passives have to do with healing? They give you survivability if you draw aggro until hopefully the tank notices but they won't improve the heals. What about two Hander? Destro staff? By your logic the only option for a healer to have is a restro stave might as well dual bar it then right?

"It seems to me like the OP actually spent 4h and failed at the second boss in FG so I am unsure of how effective that build is."-PBpsy.
What is funny is that run was after I spent 6k to respec as I was curious about how the Restro stave would work out.

Gyudan wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Meta builds

This topic is about a healer with a bow. In my opinion this is very unlikely to work.
Bow = Stamina, Weapon damage, Weapon crit
Healing with only class abilities = Magicka, Spell damage, Spell crit
Please let me know if you manage to optimize that and have enough Health to survive a vet dungeon.

Ok how is this all stats into magic. glyphs on major pieces magic, the Atronoch as the chosen constellation, Warlock amulet and ring to put me 3 points from magic regeneration cap. Then magica potions if things get really harry. Along with the two Templar heals place snare, knock back, and snipe on the heal bar. Keep mobile when there is an opportunity to finish off adds particularly casters take it. When you pull aggro use the knockback too create distance and stun the target. Focus on breath of life and staying out of the red.

"I had a Templar try to heal a vet WS this was someone who used a bow also, I'm not familiar with the Templar healers ability names but that healer would drop a circle under me as a tank, we all know you move a bit during the first boss, then he had to what appeared to be cast another heal."-Xjcon

He was likely dropping circle of protection or perhaps rune focus, both raise armor and resists. So what if you have to move out of that area of the buff it will help you survive that instance and in the case of CoP it raises the healing you receive. I am not sure what fight you where on but for the majority of boss fights in the dungeons you have to be mobile. So the HPS you gain from the stave has to be mobile too. Even with the stave equipped Breath of Life, the lowly Templar heal, is my go to just because it goes to the most in need in the shortest amount of time.

"Then he would start shooting the boss with his bow rather then res the dps he let die,"-Xjcon

Maybe the DPS should of moved out of red? Maybe they shouldn't of tried to burn down the boss by themselves? Maybe the healer did try and heal them but it was a special attack that was more then the heal? Or maybe he was under aggro or made a simple mistake? See it is funny because that is the attitude that is prevalent. The healer is always held accountable regardless of what action the other player took.


As to the statement of the mana return with stave use. Yes that is nice but not always feasible to stop target and heavy attack. If you know how to manage potions you can use that path.

So you have a full magicka setup and try to dps with a bow? Brilliant.

Come here just to troll without explaining your position?
This is brilliant

What's to explain? You are saying you want to dps with a bow with a full magicka setup.

^^That is not at all what I said, but you heard bow so thought DPS discounting the utility a bow has.

timidobserver wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I hate to say it, but bow just isn't good for healing. A bow does not bring anything at all to your healing.

I don't think the Bow is supposed to add anything to healing, OP is saying they can heal well enough without having a Staff equiped, the Bow is to snipe mobs while healing.

And if OP can do it, then fair enough. I would probably give the healer the benefit of the doubt, because the mechanics of the game are simple enough, so any healer would have a pretty good idea what they can get away with.

As a healer you shoudn't be doing anything that doesn't add anything to or detracts from your healing. The same goes for DPS and Tanking. When you have a bunch of people trying and failing to perform 2-3 different roles you end up in FG for 4 hours as the OP described in his post.

That was because the group was not very good
Two of them had not done it before, general low but even level, probably not very good gear, and so on.

Backup is an dps who takes over tank or healing if either is either killed or not avail like with the chaining or sent to room with spiders and tanking or healing is needed.

That is the difference between a excellent, specialized healer and a passable healer that is thinned out by trying to do to much. When you focus all of your effort on becoming an excellent healer, you can potentially carry a couple of bad players. On the other hand, if you are happy with being just barely adequate, a few bad players will kill your group and leave you in FG for 4 hours.

What is funny to me is that this run happened after I respeced to try the restro stave. But it is all because I am a barely adequate healer, which you know because you have actually grouped with me.

grimsfield

thesilverball_ESO wrote: »

grimsfield wrote: »

i tank in light armor and heal wit sword and shield, so why shoudlnt you be able to with a bow?

timidobserver wrote: »

That is the difference between a excellent, specialized healer and a passable healer that is thinned out by trying to do to much. When you focus all of your effort on becoming an excellent healer, you can potentially carry a couple of bad players. On the other hand, if you are happy with being just barely adequate, a few bad players will kill your group and leave you in FG for 4 hours.

To answer your question. I agree with Timidobserver. I think he stated it best.
I just don't think someone can be very good at it if they are too diverse in their build. But, play how you want and have fun with it. It is a game after all. There are lots of folks to group up with in the game.

To clarify, my tanking with sword and shield in light armor and healing at the same time is purely situational. If I'm going straight up heals, its hard to argue against the resto staff. Well, its hard to argue against staves in general, because of heavy attack magicka regen.

that said, there are times where build flexibility is very beneficial, so being able to use other weps while heaing can be helpful.

Hortator Mopa

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

I was honestly ready to quit last night not because of any defect to the game although there are minor ones but to the people who insist that things must be played this way or that way. I think this is a very flexible system but people don't want to use it, anything different from the build they saw online is ostracized and cursed at for not conforming to their perception. I think that with how the end game system is being developed it is more likely to lose subscribers then any perception of breakage done by updates.

Id instant kick you if you said you healed and came into the group with anything but a restro staff light armor build.

In fact do you use a bow, with medium pvp armor on? I had a pug healer who did that for wayrest when my perm healer was offline and he was terrible. (after the first pull i noticed the "healer" was in medium pvp armor and bow and I just loled)

This game is play like you want.
NOT play how you want and be good.

Normal mode for people who want to be "special unique builds". Its very rare to find a unique build that is awesome.

I know im coming off like a rude elitest but its not like that... I just dont want to waste my time because someone is either bad or stuck on wanting to be a unique sun flower build.

Ommamar

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

I was honestly ready to quit last night not because of any defect to the game although there are minor ones but to the people who insist that things must be played this way or that way. I think this is a very flexible system but people don't want to use it, anything different from the build they saw online is ostracized and cursed at for not conforming to their perception. I think that with how the end game system is being developed it is more likely to lose subscribers then any perception of breakage done by updates.

Id instant kick you if you said you healed and came into the group with anything but a restro staff light armor build.

In fact do you use a bow, with medium pvp armor on? I had a pug healer who did that for wayrest when my perm healer was offline and he was terrible. (after the first pull i noticed the "healer" was in medium pvp armor and bow and I just loled)

This game is play like you want.
NOT play how you want and be good.

Normal mode for people who want to be "special unique builds". Its very rare to find a unique build that is awesome.

I know im coming off like a rude elitest but its not like that... I just dont want to waste my time because someone is either bad or stuck on wanting to be a unique sun flower build.

I actually use 5 heavy seducer set 2 light one being a shoulder pad from the gold key spindle run and the bracers that where in the chest, my jewelry is amulet and two rings of the warlock. I am 5 points over the magic recovery soft cap. But it doesn't matter to you as we will never group together as you have made up your mind how the game must be played. So glad you have a perm a healer who follows your little rules, enjoy your travels.

P.S. I am a damn good healer so I will continue to play as I want and continue to excel.

grimsfield

Ommamar wrote: »

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

I was honestly ready to quit last night not because of any defect to the game although there are minor ones but to the people who insist that things must be played this way or that way. I think this is a very flexible system but people don't want to use it, anything different from the build they saw online is ostracized and cursed at for not conforming to their perception. I think that with how the end game system is being developed it is more likely to lose subscribers then any perception of breakage done by updates.

Id instant kick you if you said you healed and came into the group with anything but a restro staff light armor build.

In fact do you use a bow, with medium pvp armor on? I had a pug healer who did that for wayrest when my perm healer was offline and he was terrible. (after the first pull i noticed the "healer" was in medium pvp armor and bow and I just loled)

This game is play like you want.
NOT play how you want and be good.

Normal mode for people who want to be "special unique builds". Its very rare to find a unique build that is awesome.

I know im coming off like a rude elitest but its not like that... I just dont want to waste my time because someone is either bad or stuck on wanting to be a unique sun flower build.

I actually use 5 heavy seducer set 2 light one being a shoulder pad from the gold key spindle run and the bracers that where in the chest, my jewelry is amulet and two rings of the warlock. I am 5 points over the magic recovery soft cap. But it doesn't matter to you as we will never group together as you have made up your mind how the game must be played. So glad you have a perm a healer who follows your little rules, enjoy your travels.

P.S. I am a damn good healer so I will continue to play as I want and continue to excel.

For a healer, being a little over soft cap is good, but being way over it is better.

Your spell crit suffers as well because you choose to play incorrectly. If this heavy armor is a situational thing and you're tanking while healing, then I'll take those words back, but wearing heavy while being main heals is usually a very dumb idea.

Ommamar

grimsfield wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

I was honestly ready to quit last night not because of any defect to the game although there are minor ones but to the people who insist that things must be played this way or that way. I think this is a very flexible system but people don't want to use it, anything different from the build they saw online is ostracized and cursed at for not conforming to their perception. I think that with how the end game system is being developed it is more likely to lose subscribers then any perception of breakage done by updates.

Id instant kick you if you said you healed and came into the group with anything but a restro staff light armor build.

In fact do you use a bow, with medium pvp armor on? I had a pug healer who did that for wayrest when my perm healer was offline and he was terrible. (after the first pull i noticed the "healer" was in medium pvp armor and bow and I just loled)

This game is play like you want.
NOT play how you want and be good.

Normal mode for people who want to be "special unique builds". Its very rare to find a unique build that is awesome.

I know im coming off like a rude elitest but its not like that... I just dont want to waste my time because someone is either bad or stuck on wanting to be a unique sun flower build.

I actually use 5 heavy seducer set 2 light one being a shoulder pad from the gold key spindle run and the bracers that where in the chest, my jewelry is amulet and two rings of the warlock. I am 5 points over the magic recovery soft cap. But it doesn't matter to you as we will never group together as you have made up your mind how the game must be played. So glad you have a perm a healer who follows your little rules, enjoy your travels.

P.S. I am a damn good healer so I will continue to play as I want and continue to excel.

For a healer, being a little over soft cap is good, but being way over it is better.

Your spell crit suffers as well because you choose to play incorrectly. If this heavy armor is a situational thing and you're tanking while healing, then I'll take those words back, but wearing heavy while being main heals is usually a very dumb idea.

Because I don't play as you do I do not play correctly?! Critical is nice but I will go with sustained. That is stupid you know the more over a cap you are the less return you get? My build does fine so back off and quit telling me how to play!

Aeratus

grimsfield wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

I was honestly ready to quit last night not because of any defect to the game although there are minor ones but to the people who insist that things must be played this way or that way. I think this is a very flexible system but people don't want to use it, anything different from the build they saw online is ostracized and cursed at for not conforming to their perception. I think that with how the end game system is being developed it is more likely to lose subscribers then any perception of breakage done by updates.

Id instant kick you if you said you healed and came into the group with anything but a restro staff light armor build.

In fact do you use a bow, with medium pvp armor on? I had a pug healer who did that for wayrest when my perm healer was offline and he was terrible. (after the first pull i noticed the "healer" was in medium pvp armor and bow and I just loled)

This game is play like you want.
NOT play how you want and be good.

Normal mode for people who want to be "special unique builds". Its very rare to find a unique build that is awesome.

I know im coming off like a rude elitest but its not like that... I just dont want to waste my time because someone is either bad or stuck on wanting to be a unique sun flower build.

I actually use 5 heavy seducer set 2 light one being a shoulder pad from the gold key spindle run and the bracers that where in the chest, my jewelry is amulet and two rings of the warlock. I am 5 points over the magic recovery soft cap. But it doesn't matter to you as we will never group together as you have made up your mind how the game must be played. So glad you have a perm a healer who follows your little rules, enjoy your travels.

P.S. I am a damn good healer so I will continue to play as I want and continue to excel.

For a healer, being a little over soft cap is good, but being way over it is better.

Your spell crit suffers as well because you choose to play incorrectly. If this heavy armor is a situational thing and you're tanking while healing, then I'll take those words back, but wearing heavy while being main heals is usually a very dumb idea.

Depends on what how much you're sacrificing to push regen. Using jewelry to do it is definitely not good (since a spell cost reduction glyph is about twice as good as magicka regen when you're just spamming heals), but many healing-oriented sets such as seducer include regen.

grimsfield

Ommamar wrote: »

grimsfield wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

I was honestly ready to quit last night not because of any defect to the game although there are minor ones but to the people who insist that things must be played this way or that way. I think this is a very flexible system but people don't want to use it, anything different from the build they saw online is ostracized and cursed at for not conforming to their perception. I think that with how the end game system is being developed it is more likely to lose subscribers then any perception of breakage done by updates.

Id instant kick you if you said you healed and came into the group with anything but a restro staff light armor build.

In fact do you use a bow, with medium pvp armor on? I had a pug healer who did that for wayrest when my perm healer was offline and he was terrible. (after the first pull i noticed the "healer" was in medium pvp armor and bow and I just loled)

This game is play like you want.
NOT play how you want and be good.

Normal mode for people who want to be "special unique builds". Its very rare to find a unique build that is awesome.

I know im coming off like a rude elitest but its not like that... I just dont want to waste my time because someone is either bad or stuck on wanting to be a unique sun flower build.

I actually use 5 heavy seducer set 2 light one being a shoulder pad from the gold key spindle run and the bracers that where in the chest, my jewelry is amulet and two rings of the warlock. I am 5 points over the magic recovery soft cap. But it doesn't matter to you as we will never group together as you have made up your mind how the game must be played. So glad you have a perm a healer who follows your little rules, enjoy your travels.

P.S. I am a damn good healer so I will continue to play as I want and continue to excel.

For a healer, being a little over soft cap is good, but being way over it is better.

Your spell crit suffers as well because you choose to play incorrectly. If this heavy armor is a situational thing and you're tanking while healing, then I'll take those words back, but wearing heavy while being main heals is usually a very dumb idea.

Because I don't play as you do I do not play correctly?! Critical is nice but I will go with sustained. That is stupid you know the more over a cap you are the less return you get? My build does fine so back off and quit telling me how to play!

Maybe if you're still heaing and still playing this game in 3 months, you'll look back at what you're saying now and realize you were wrong.. because you are wrong.

Xjcon

If you could get 300 per click for one setup but 400 per click for the other why would you choose 300? Cause you want to be unique? It's not that people chose some random build and said that's the one that we should make the most popular, It because they took numbers and put them together making it work much better.

Robocles

Ommamar wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Interesting so lets see what does shield/one hand passives have to do with healing? They give you survivability if you draw aggro until hopefully the tank notices but they won't improve the heals. What about two Hander? Destro staff? By your logic the only option for a healer to have is a restro stave might as well dual bar it then right?

"It seems to me like the OP actually spent 4h and failed at the second boss in FG so I am unsure of how effective that build is."-PBpsy.
What is funny is that run was after I spent 6k to respec as I was curious about how the Restro stave would work out.

Gyudan wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Meta builds

This topic is about a healer with a bow. In my opinion this is very unlikely to work.
Bow = Stamina, Weapon damage, Weapon crit
Healing with only class abilities = Magicka, Spell damage, Spell crit
Please let me know if you manage to optimize that and have enough Health to survive a vet dungeon.

Ok how is this all stats into magic. glyphs on major pieces magic, the Atronoch as the chosen constellation, Warlock amulet and ring to put me 3 points from magic regeneration cap. Then magica potions if things get really harry. Along with the two Templar heals place snare, knock back, and snipe on the heal bar. Keep mobile when there is an opportunity to finish off adds particularly casters take it. When you pull aggro use the knockback too create distance and stun the target. Focus on breath of life and staying out of the red.

"I had a Templar try to heal a vet WS this was someone who used a bow also, I'm not familiar with the Templar healers ability names but that healer would drop a circle under me as a tank, we all know you move a bit during the first boss, then he had to what appeared to be cast another heal."-Xjcon

He was likely dropping circle of protection or perhaps rune focus, both raise armor and resists. So what if you have to move out of that area of the buff it will help you survive that instance and in the case of CoP it raises the healing you receive. I am not sure what fight you where on but for the majority of boss fights in the dungeons you have to be mobile. So the HPS you gain from the stave has to be mobile too. Even with the stave equipped Breath of Life, the lowly Templar heal, is my go to just because it goes to the most in need in the shortest amount of time.

"Then he would start shooting the boss with his bow rather then res the dps he let die,"-Xjcon

Maybe the DPS should of moved out of red? Maybe they shouldn't of tried to burn down the boss by themselves? Maybe the healer did try and heal them but it was a special attack that was more then the heal? Or maybe he was under aggro or made a simple mistake? See it is funny because that is the attitude that is prevalent. The healer is always held accountable regardless of what action the other player took.


As to the statement of the mana return with stave use. Yes that is nice but not always feasible to stop target and heavy attack. If you know how to manage potions you can use that path.

So you have a full magicka setup and try to dps with a bow? Brilliant.

Come here just to troll without explaining your position?
This is brilliant

What's to explain? You are saying you want to dps with a bow with a full magicka setup.

^^That is not at all what I said, but you heard bow so thought DPS discounting the utility a bow has.

timidobserver wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I hate to say it, but bow just isn't good for healing. A bow does not bring anything at all to your healing.

I don't think the Bow is supposed to add anything to healing, OP is saying they can heal well enough without having a Staff equiped, the Bow is to snipe mobs while healing.

And if OP can do it, then fair enough. I would probably give the healer the benefit of the doubt, because the mechanics of the game are simple enough, so any healer would have a pretty good idea what they can get away with.

As a healer you shoudn't be doing anything that doesn't add anything to or detracts from your healing. The same goes for DPS and Tanking. When you have a bunch of people trying and failing to perform 2-3 different roles you end up in FG for 4 hours as the OP described in his post.

That was because the group was not very good
Two of them had not done it before, general low but even level, probably not very good gear, and so on.

Backup is an dps who takes over tank or healing if either is either killed or not avail like with the chaining or sent to room with spiders and tanking or healing is needed.

That is the difference between a excellent, specialized healer and a passable healer that is thinned out by trying to do to much. When you focus all of your effort on becoming an excellent healer, you can potentially carry a couple of bad players. On the other hand, if you are happy with being just barely adequate, a few bad players will kill your group and leave you in FG for 4 hours.

What is funny to me is that this run happened after I respeced to try the restro stave. But it is all because I am a barely adequate healer, which you know because you have actually grouped with me.

First, I didn't respond to you in that post.

Second, you said that you had a group who said you weren't.

Third, while I agree there is some utility to the bow, your job is to heal if you queue as a healer. I play a templar as well, and I would have no issue with a group that told me I can't use a bow if I'm healing them.

Finally, you are here to tell everyone they should be fine with you healing with a bow... they don't have to be just because you say so... take the suggestion made much earlier in the thread and just move on from those groups.

Robocles

Ommamar wrote: »

grimsfield wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

I was honestly ready to quit last night not because of any defect to the game although there are minor ones but to the people who insist that things must be played this way or that way. I think this is a very flexible system but people don't want to use it, anything different from the build they saw online is ostracized and cursed at for not conforming to their perception. I think that with how the end game system is being developed it is more likely to lose subscribers then any perception of breakage done by updates.

Id instant kick you if you said you healed and came into the group with anything but a restro staff light armor build.

In fact do you use a bow, with medium pvp armor on? I had a pug healer who did that for wayrest when my perm healer was offline and he was terrible. (after the first pull i noticed the "healer" was in medium pvp armor and bow and I just loled)

This game is play like you want.
NOT play how you want and be good.

Normal mode for people who want to be "special unique builds". Its very rare to find a unique build that is awesome.

I know im coming off like a rude elitest but its not like that... I just dont want to waste my time because someone is either bad or stuck on wanting to be a unique sun flower build.

I actually use 5 heavy seducer set 2 light one being a shoulder pad from the gold key spindle run and the bracers that where in the chest, my jewelry is amulet and two rings of the warlock. I am 5 points over the magic recovery soft cap. But it doesn't matter to you as we will never group together as you have made up your mind how the game must be played. So glad you have a perm a healer who follows your little rules, enjoy your travels.

P.S. I am a damn good healer so I will continue to play as I want and continue to excel.

For a healer, being a little over soft cap is good, but being way over it is better.

Your spell crit suffers as well because you choose to play incorrectly. If this heavy armor is a situational thing and you're tanking while healing, then I'll take those words back, but wearing heavy while being main heals is usually a very dumb idea.

Because I don't play as you do I do not play correctly?! Critical is nice but I will go with sustained. That is stupid you know the more over a cap you are the less return you get? My build does fine so back off and quit telling me how to play!

Your OP says your group wiped in a vet dungeon. You blamed the DPS, they blamed you. The fact remains that you would be significantly more effective if you used a resto staff and the heals... and yes... utility it provides. Combat prayer alone is worth the price of admission.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

grimsfield wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

I was honestly ready to quit last night not because of any defect to the game although there are minor ones but to the people who insist that things must be played this way or that way. I think this is a very flexible system but people don't want to use it, anything different from the build they saw online is ostracized and cursed at for not conforming to their perception. I think that with how the end game system is being developed it is more likely to lose subscribers then any perception of breakage done by updates.

Id instant kick you if you said you healed and came into the group with anything but a restro staff light armor build.

In fact do you use a bow, with medium pvp armor on? I had a pug healer who did that for wayrest when my perm healer was offline and he was terrible. (after the first pull i noticed the "healer" was in medium pvp armor and bow and I just loled)

This game is play like you want.
NOT play how you want and be good.

Normal mode for people who want to be "special unique builds". Its very rare to find a unique build that is awesome.

I know im coming off like a rude elitest but its not like that... I just dont want to waste my time because someone is either bad or stuck on wanting to be a unique sun flower build.

I actually use 5 heavy seducer set 2 light one being a shoulder pad from the gold key spindle run and the bracers that where in the chest, my jewelry is amulet and two rings of the warlock. I am 5 points over the magic recovery soft cap. But it doesn't matter to you as we will never group together as you have made up your mind how the game must be played. So glad you have a perm a healer who follows your little rules, enjoy your travels.

P.S. I am a damn good healer so I will continue to play as I want and continue to excel.

Your spell crit suffers as well because you choose to play incorrectly.

"PLAY INCORRECTLY", are you Serious... Really...Really...

I don't even have the words to say to you without bringing a MOD down on my head..

That is just ridiculous...

It's Play how you want to Play.. there is no Incorrect play, EVER, what you say is just an opinion and we all know about opinions...

Elitist attitudes suck..

Brawn

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

It's Play how you want to Play.. there is no Incorrect play, EVER

This is why I hate pugging.

Casual attitudes suck..

P.S. I am a damn good forum poster so I will continue to post as I want and continue to excel.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Brawn wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

It's Play how you want to Play.. there is no Incorrect play, EVER

This is why I hate pugging.

Casual attitudes suck..

P.S. I am a damn good forum poster so I will continue to post as I want and continue to excel.

This wasn't directed toward you sir, it was directed toward him= grimsfield

ps. side note- It's a fricken game..it can be as serious or as casual as it needs to be. It's not life and death, it is supposed to be fun..people should be able to play however they want to play, they pay just as much as you do to enjoy the game.. Have people forgotten this..

grimsfield

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

grimsfield wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

I was honestly ready to quit last night not because of any defect to the game although there are minor ones but to the people who insist that things must be played this way or that way. I think this is a very flexible system but people don't want to use it, anything different from the build they saw online is ostracized and cursed at for not conforming to their perception. I think that with how the end game system is being developed it is more likely to lose subscribers then any perception of breakage done by updates.

Id instant kick you if you said you healed and came into the group with anything but a restro staff light armor build.

In fact do you use a bow, with medium pvp armor on? I had a pug healer who did that for wayrest when my perm healer was offline and he was terrible. (after the first pull i noticed the "healer" was in medium pvp armor and bow and I just loled)

This game is play like you want.
NOT play how you want and be good.

Normal mode for people who want to be "special unique builds". Its very rare to find a unique build that is awesome.

I know im coming off like a rude elitest but its not like that... I just dont want to waste my time because someone is either bad or stuck on wanting to be a unique sun flower build.

I actually use 5 heavy seducer set 2 light one being a shoulder pad from the gold key spindle run and the bracers that where in the chest, my jewelry is amulet and two rings of the warlock. I am 5 points over the magic recovery soft cap. But it doesn't matter to you as we will never group together as you have made up your mind how the game must be played. So glad you have a perm a healer who follows your little rules, enjoy your travels.

P.S. I am a damn good healer so I will continue to play as I want and continue to excel.

Your spell crit suffers as well because you choose to play incorrectly.

"PLAY INCORRECTLY", are you Serious... Really...Really...

I don't even have the words to say to you without bringing a MOD down on my head..

That is just ridiculous...

It's Play how you want to Play.. there is no Incorrect play, EVER, what you say is just an opinion and we all know about opinions...

Elitist attitudes suck..

And this is why you fail.

Darlgon

So.. lets review..

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

....

You had two DIFFERENT GROUPS praise your healing on two pledge runs,, then the same people cursed you for using a bow as a healer. Plus, they stuck with you for FOUR HOURS of this mistaken healer identity you have before finally failing the FG run.

(You were told it wont work in game by people who were relying on you to keep them alive.)

(Even my group who I have been running with for 10 years would not put up with that for four hours. We would have sent everyone home to figure out what they needed to do better, and, would reformulate the group if need be. Yeah, we would let you think you were MH, but we would also have a real one in the group.)

Ommamar wrote: »

So by taking 3 seconds to finish of a mob that is low health but still dealing damage not helping your healing by eliminating a damage source? So a NB shouldn't use Siphon to get the passive heals as that will detract from a slot that is just damage; what about sparks that negates damage but does no direct damage? A DK shouldn't equip Green Dragon Blood as he should be taunt/damage focused? That is just silly! There are so many different builds and way to play why limit yourself to a trinity role? As for the FG group everyone was sticking fairly well to the "roles" they had designated, I believe in that case it was more a matter of coordination.

You are saying that, rather than a tank use his resources to keep mobs on him, (keeping both healer and DPS alive) and you keep him alive, you would rather he expended magic to keep himself alive, which is the SOLE reason you are in the group, since you said you were a healer. And, as a healer, your resource of magic is better spent killing a mob 3 seconds sooner than keeping people alive "with the pretty green numbers over thier heads".

And, that because a group has a dedicated healer, they dont need self-heals? (You have been playing a far different game than the one I started playing just over a year ago in the Beta program.)

Ommamar wrote: »

I actually use 5 heavy seducer set 2 light one being a shoulder pad from the gold key spindle run and the bracers that where in the chest, my jewelry is amulet and two rings of the warlock. I am 5 points over the magic recovery soft cap. But it doesn't matter to you as we will never group together as you have made up your mind how the game must be played. So glad you have a perm a healer who follows your little rules, enjoy your travels.

Ok. this is new. You are using armor that gives (if you put points into it): a. plus 15% to AC and Spell resist b . plus 20% to Health recovery. c. Increase to 10% melee attacks d. decrease Stamina cost 20% to blocking. e. increase healing received by 5%. (Sounds like you are planning on getting hit, not spending stamina on bow OR magic on spells.)

On the other hand the Light armor gives you (maxed) a. 15% lower spell cost, so you can have magic to heal more) b. 20% magic recovery. c. 8% per lt armor piece spell resistance. d. 100% chance spell crit, (so if it crits, it heals for more). e. 20% reduction in targets spell resistance (So you can do more DPS with a resto staff.)

You are 5 points over magic recovery. Bravo. You do realize that ZoS uses your MAX magic to determine how much damage a spell does and how BIG a heal hits for? And also that MAX stamina determines HOW HARD YOUR BOW HITS?

You are handicapping yourself with both heals AND DPS with this setup. (especially since you claim to be a Bow/bow templar healer.)

Ommamar wrote: »

But it is all because I am a barely adequate healer, which you know because you have actually grouped with me.

Ommamar wrote: »

P.S. I am a damn good healer so I will continue to play as I want and continue to excel.

Ommamar wrote: »

What is funny to me is that this run happened after I respeced to try the restro stave.

No.. a good healer would not have to "TRY a resto staff". They would already have those skills all maxed out, morphed and maxed out again. Plus, if you are "Trying out a resto staff" you also would be clueless as to when to use which heal to keep your group alive.

In case you wondered, this post is more for people who come to the forums really looking for help with this or in case you really are that confused.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

grimsfield wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

grimsfield wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

Hortator Mopa wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

So last night I had two separate groups praise my healing on the normal pledge run through, then curse me for using a bow while a healer. Things got very heated as the first death of course was because of my healing, not the fact that some of the veteran dungeons are just bloody hard! The funny thing is I went ahead and reworked my healer so he can in fact use a restro stave so people can see the pretty green number floating above their heads. Just finished a 4 hour FG attempt that was unsuccessful not to any bad play just to the fact that we couldn't get by the second boss.

I was honestly ready to quit last night not because of any defect to the game although there are minor ones but to the people who insist that things must be played this way or that way. I think this is a very flexible system but people don't want to use it, anything different from the build they saw online is ostracized and cursed at for not conforming to their perception. I think that with how the end game system is being developed it is more likely to lose subscribers then any perception of breakage done by updates.

Id instant kick you if you said you healed and came into the group with anything but a restro staff light armor build.

In fact do you use a bow, with medium pvp armor on? I had a pug healer who did that for wayrest when my perm healer was offline and he was terrible. (after the first pull i noticed the "healer" was in medium pvp armor and bow and I just loled)

This game is play like you want.
NOT play how you want and be good.

Normal mode for people who want to be "special unique builds". Its very rare to find a unique build that is awesome.

I know im coming off like a rude elitest but its not like that... I just dont want to waste my time because someone is either bad or stuck on wanting to be a unique sun flower build.

I actually use 5 heavy seducer set 2 light one being a shoulder pad from the gold key spindle run and the bracers that where in the chest, my jewelry is amulet and two rings of the warlock. I am 5 points over the magic recovery soft cap. But it doesn't matter to you as we will never group together as you have made up your mind how the game must be played. So glad you have a perm a healer who follows your little rules, enjoy your travels.

P.S. I am a damn good healer so I will continue to play as I want and continue to excel.

Your spell crit suffers as well because you choose to play incorrectly.

"PLAY INCORRECTLY", are you Serious... Really...Really...

I don't even have the words to say to you without bringing a MOD down on my head..

That is just ridiculous...

It's Play how you want to Play.. there is no Incorrect play, EVER, what you say is just an opinion and we all know about opinions...

Elitist attitudes suck..

And this is why you fail.

I don't fail buddy..you just did by answering that way..

diabeticDemon18

Lizelle wrote: »

It's cool if you want to play as a bow wielding Templar as DPS. Just don't tell groups you're a healer. This has nothing to do with cookie cutter builds or being elitist. The fact is there is nothing that contributes to the role "Healer" in the bow abilities or passives... And if you're building out stamina to support your DPS in bow instead of Magicka that is going to mean you run out of Magicka and your heals will do less healing. When you're grouping you rely on members of your team to play their role well or the group suffers. It doesn't matter as much for lower level and/or for non-vet content, matters a lot for vet and end game content because there is less margin for error.

Why does everyone have to conform to those exact classes though? Why can't someone be a partial healer, and the also a partial DPS. If you had for "partial healers" that were also "partial <something else>" then you might be able to pick up the slack. The thing I can see, is that if you use the proper mechanics and everyone works out a particular tactic a combination of partials could overcome any challenge. I don't understand the MMO mentality of "EVERYONE HAS TO BE EITHER HEALER, TANK, OR DPS! Period. No exceptions." In combat, there are a lot more roles to play than "healer, tank, or dps" In my personal opinion.

itsBishop

Have fun grouping with your partial tanks, partial dps, and partial healers. Hope you enjoy your partial clear.

pppontus

So the reason we have threads calling for vet dungeon nerfs is because people use armor that's no good for their role, weapons that are even worse for their role.. well. A big fat LOL is all I can give to this thread!

You know, there's a weapon that was made for healing.. it's called a resto staff. Also healing uses magicka and there's an armor made for magicka users.. it's called light armor.

A healer who doesn't use Rapid Regen, Combat Prayer or Healing Springs.. I don't even know what to say.

Dymence

Don't use a bow with a resto staff, use a destro staff with a resto staff. Destro staff can still interrupt with crushing shock. The healer in my group rolls with a destro staff because he doesn't need to heal much (sorc crushing shock build, nb funnel health build, dk tank) and adds good deeps to the group. We down bosses crazy fast and still never die. Using a bow is just bad.

grimsfield

There is a lot of good advice in this thread. Something I've learned about good players vs bad ones; good players have no problem taking advice and using it constructively; bad players are unable to do this and are usually either A) offended by the advice and/or B)defensive and resistant to even the offer of advice.

How you choose to take my advice doesn't affect me, but you're doing yourself no favors by ignoring it and being defensive. So do whatever you want, it doesn't bother me.