Can we have an European Thornblade (EU) topic?

Trottz

15:15, 2 bars AD, 2 bars DC, lock on EP

i am not blaming EP for their numbers or their dedication to get up at least one proper raid if necessary, no matter when. im just saying how it is.

i am one of those people who bought this game because of se "hundreds of players on the battlefield" ads.

MoneyOverEverything

Trottz wrote: »

15:15, 2 bars AD, 2 bars DC, lock on EP

i am not blaming EP for their numbers or their dedication to get up at least one proper raid if necessary, no matter when. im just saying how it is.

i am one of those people who bought this game because of se "hundreds of players on the battlefield" ads.

hahaha u got scammed son

it rly made me laugh for like 2 minutes or so

hundreds of players on the battlefield

hahaha rly hardly cant stand that

its even much better than the motif and bufffood troll at the crownstore

wp zenimax wp

bertenburnyb16_ESO

MoneyOverEverything wrote: »

Trottz wrote: »

15:15, 2 bars AD, 2 bars DC, lock on EP

i am not blaming EP for their numbers or their dedication to get up at least one proper raid if necessary, no matter when. im just saying how it is.

i am one of those people who bought this game because of se "hundreds of players on the battlefield" ads.

hahaha u got scammed son

it rly made me laugh for like 2 minutes or so

hundreds of players on the battlefield

hahaha rly hardly cant stand that

its even much better than the motif and bufffood troll at the crownstore

wp zenimax wp

funnyest thing of all, thy're doing it all exactly the same for console release and people are still falling for it

Tankqull

Trottz wrote: »

15:15, 2 bars AD, 2 bars DC, lock on EP

i am not blaming EP for their numbers or their dedication to get up at least one proper raid if necessary, no matter when. im just saying how it is.

i am one of those people who bought this game because of se "hundreds of players on the battlefield" ads.

well did you look at the other servers aswell? i did that on sunday thorn 12:00(MEST): EP poplocked AD/DC 2 - total number of bars (counting poplocked as 4 bars)
AD:12
DC:10
EP: 9

so there are more than enough players to have contestet campaigns.
the problem is the lack of dynamic campaigne opening that forces players to fight each other over NPCs.
or in other words players no longer list for a specific campaigne but for cyrodiil in general.
only if the first campaigne is filled player will be distributed to the second campaigne if that is completly poplocked it will open the next one and so on. refilling will prioritize the first campaign over the later ones, travel to players should be restricted to group members and then be handled as a group listing transferring the entire group to a campaign able to host all of them.

Trottz

Tankqull wrote: »

Trottz wrote: »

15:15, 2 bars AD, 2 bars DC, lock on EP

i am not blaming EP for their numbers or their dedication to get up at least one proper raid if necessary, no matter when. im just saying how it is.

i am one of those people who bought this game because of se "hundreds of players on the battlefield" ads.

well did you look at the other servers aswell? i did that on sunday thorn 12:00(MEST): EP poplocked AD/DC 2 - total number of bars (counting poplocked as 4 bars)
AD:12
DC:10
EP: 9

so there are more than enough players to have contestet campaigns.
the problem is the lack of dynamic campaigne opening that forces players to fight each other over NPCs.
or in other words players no longer list for a specific campaigne but for cyrodiil in general.
only if the first campaigne is filled player will be distributed to the second campaigne if that is completly poplocked it will open the next one and so on. refilling will prioritize the first campaign over the later ones, travel to players should be restricted to group members and then be handled as a group listing transferring the entire group to a campaign able to host all of them.

Ye i know. Many Players re just sick and tired of lagfights and they switch campaigns. Others look for easy prey and APs. Some re trying to get some decent small scale or duels. And i do understand that there'r people who want to play cyro late late night and early morning.

i tend to believe that there would be no population and competition issues if the game would be working as advertised. A reason why i'm always happy to see players, no matter the faction, who r still around. better opponents u want to fight with a passion than no opponents

AllPlayAndNoWork

Drop Cyrodiil as it is as it aint working. Open world PvP with strict rules for opting into or out of it.

Or have an open world PvP server.

AbraXuSeXile

Eagerly anticipating the EP zerg in the last week of the campaign, Can't wait

Lava_Croft

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Eagerly anticipating the EP zerg in the last week of the campaign, Can't wait

This might come as a surprise, but the EP zerg cannot outnumber the Daggerfall Dominion zerg. We are having a great time anyway though! We feel pride when we see the lengths our enemies go to just to try and beat us.

AbraXuSeXile

Lava_Croft wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Eagerly anticipating the EP zerg in the last week of the campaign, Can't wait

This might come as a surprise, but the EP zerg cannot outnumber the Daggerfall Dominion zerg. We are having a great time anyway though! We feel pride when we see the lengths our enemies go to just to try and beat us.

Lol so it's just outnumbering that you focus on? Really? Most focus on strongest tactics and being more skillful but you can't outnumber so towel thrown in?

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

I know EP will try and 24/7 cap the shizzle out of the map in the last so many days, I'm looking forward to it

Lava_Croft

Quite sure that most EP are pretty proud of themselves that the only way our enemies are able to beat us is by teaming up. Most of EP also understand that you need to keep up the appearance of fighting a battle against overwhelming EP numbers in order to retain a shred of credibility.

I for one feel no shame that EP is not strong enough to win from the Daggerfall Dominion.

Pact Stronk!

VagabondAngel

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

If this is what you believe or know to be true, then you also know and accept that you are punishing the majority of EP players on Thornblade for the actions of a few by undertaking the same tactics you are so openly critical of. Then you are dressing it up as a necessary evil to justify yourself.

Whether or not you agree with nightcapping (or even acknowledge it as a real concept since PvP has no "closing time"), you must agree that good PvP for most of us is found neither in capping an empty map, nor in gate-camping a demoralised enemy faction. Since both AD and DC are now doing that to EP, it would be ridiculous to assume that the people you blame for 2 months of EP dominance are actually suffering anything other than losing their PvE buffs.

Two facts you seem blissfully unaware of:

1. That locked population you cite so often as primary justification for your hate campaign is made up largely of xp grinders and randoms who confess to "not even care about the map". Which is why when we get pushed all the way back to Arrius as our last line of defence, we barely have 50 people to defend it. In the last few days, during one of these instances, the comments in zone chat went something like this:

"Arrius sieged!"
....
"There's supposed to be a lore book here"

3. The only people affected by this current "green oppression" are the better and more consistent PvPers who have spent hours in prime-time queueing because of the influx of PvErs the all red map created. Now all we have to look forward to is getting gate-camped by Banana Squad and the Emperor's 20k prox detonations while Exile repeatedly siege from Kings lumber.

Bravo, you crushed the "zerg", thus proving your PvP prowess beyond all doubt. Now how about proving you've got some common sense too? Cyrodiil is suffering enough from neglect by ZoS, lag, unbalance due to some bad choices in 1.6, and PvErs desperate to save their buffs. What is happening in Thornblade right now will only add another few nails to the coffin of good PvP. It doesn't matter how you dress it up; what is happening is not and will never be a good thing.

Tankqull

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Eagerly anticipating the EP zerg in the last week of the campaign, Can't wait

This might come as a surprise, but the EP zerg cannot outnumber the Daggerfall Dominion zerg. We are having a great time anyway though! We feel pride when we see the lengths our enemies go to just to try and beat us.

Lol so it's just outnumbering that you focus on? Really? Most focus on strongest tactics and being more skillful but you can't outnumber so towel thrown in?

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

I know EP will try and 24/7 cap the shizzle out of the map in the last so many days, I'm looking forward to it

as you were ashamed of yourself coloring haderus blue with schwarzermagier a few weeks ago with your morning shift?

themdogesbite

TB sure was.. diffrent today, EP pushed back to their gate

VagabondAngel wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

If this is what you believe or know to be true, then you also know and accept that you are punishing the majority of EP players on Thornblade for the actions of a few by undertaking the same tactics you are so openly critical of. Then you are dressing it up as a necessary evil to justify yourself.

Whether or not you agree with nightcapping (or even acknowledge it as a real concept since PvP has no "closing time"), you must agree that good PvP for most of us is found neither in capping an empty map, nor in gate-camping a demoralised enemy faction. Since both AD and DC are now doing that to EP, it would be ridiculous to assume that the people you blame for 2 months of EP dominance are actually suffering anything other than losing their PvE buffs.

Two facts you seem blissfully unaware of:

1. That locked population you cite so often as primary justification for your hate campaign is made up largely of xp grinders and randoms who confess to "not even care about the map". Which is why when we get pushed all the way back to Arrius as our last line of defence, we barely have 50 people to defend it. In the last few days, during one of these instances, the comments in zone chat went something like this:

"Arrius sieged!"
....
"There's supposed to be a lore book here"

3. The only people affected by this current "green oppression" are the better and more consistent PvPers who have spent hours in prime-time queueing because of the influx of PvErs the all red map created. Now all we have to look forward to is getting gate-camped by Banana Squad and the Emperor's 20k prox detonations while Exile repeatedly siege from Kings lumber.

Bravo, you crushed the "zerg", thus proving your PvP prowess beyond all doubt. Now how about proving you've got some common sense too? Cyrodiil is suffering enough from neglect by ZoS, lag, unbalance due to some bad choices in 1.6, and PvErs desperate to save their buffs. What is happening in Thornblade right now will only add another few nails to the coffin of good PvP. It doesn't matter how you dress it up; what is happening is not and will never be a good thing.

Did you give a *** the past 2 months when you gate camped us ever single morning / day? did you give a *** when you drove most guilds away from the campaign? Do we give a *** now? Sorry.

Garion

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

TB sure was.. diffrent today, EP pushed back to their gate

VagabondAngel wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

If this is what you believe or know to be true, then you also know and accept that you are punishing the majority of EP players on Thornblade for the actions of a few by undertaking the same tactics you are so openly critical of. Then you are dressing it up as a necessary evil to justify yourself.

Whether or not you agree with nightcapping (or even acknowledge it as a real concept since PvP has no "closing time"), you must agree that good PvP for most of us is found neither in capping an empty map, nor in gate-camping a demoralised enemy faction. Since both AD and DC are now doing that to EP, it would be ridiculous to assume that the people you blame for 2 months of EP dominance are actually suffering anything other than losing their PvE buffs.

Two facts you seem blissfully unaware of:

1. That locked population you cite so often as primary justification for your hate campaign is made up largely of xp grinders and randoms who confess to "not even care about the map". Which is why when we get pushed all the way back to Arrius as our last line of defence, we barely have 50 people to defend it. In the last few days, during one of these instances, the comments in zone chat went something like this:

"Arrius sieged!"
....
"There's supposed to be a lore book here"

3. The only people affected by this current "green oppression" are the better and more consistent PvPers who have spent hours in prime-time queueing because of the influx of PvErs the all red map created. Now all we have to look forward to is getting gate-camped by Banana Squad and the Emperor's 20k prox detonations while Exile repeatedly siege from Kings lumber.

Bravo, you crushed the "zerg", thus proving your PvP prowess beyond all doubt. Now how about proving you've got some common sense too? Cyrodiil is suffering enough from neglect by ZoS, lag, unbalance due to some bad choices in 1.6, and PvErs desperate to save their buffs. What is happening in Thornblade right now will only add another few nails to the coffin of good PvP. It doesn't matter how you dress it up; what is happening is not and will never be a good thing.

Did you give a *** the past 2 months when you gate camped us ever single morning / day? did you give a *** when you drove most guilds away from the campaign? Do we give a *** now?

In answer to your questions:

No.

ToRelax

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

TB sure was.. diffrent today, EP pushed back to their gate

VagabondAngel wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

If this is what you believe or know to be true, then you also know and accept that you are punishing the majority of EP players on Thornblade for the actions of a few by undertaking the same tactics you are so openly critical of. Then you are dressing it up as a necessary evil to justify yourself.

Whether or not you agree with nightcapping (or even acknowledge it as a real concept since PvP has no "closing time"), you must agree that good PvP for most of us is found neither in capping an empty map, nor in gate-camping a demoralised enemy faction. Since both AD and DC are now doing that to EP, it would be ridiculous to assume that the people you blame for 2 months of EP dominance are actually suffering anything other than losing their PvE buffs.

Two facts you seem blissfully unaware of:

1. That locked population you cite so often as primary justification for your hate campaign is made up largely of xp grinders and randoms who confess to "not even care about the map". Which is why when we get pushed all the way back to Arrius as our last line of defence, we barely have 50 people to defend it. In the last few days, during one of these instances, the comments in zone chat went something like this:

"Arrius sieged!"
....
"There's supposed to be a lore book here"

3. The only people affected by this current "green oppression" are the better and more consistent PvPers who have spent hours in prime-time queueing because of the influx of PvErs the all red map created. Now all we have to look forward to is getting gate-camped by Banana Squad and the Emperor's 20k prox detonations while Exile repeatedly siege from Kings lumber.

Bravo, you crushed the "zerg", thus proving your PvP prowess beyond all doubt. Now how about proving you've got some common sense too? Cyrodiil is suffering enough from neglect by ZoS, lag, unbalance due to some bad choices in 1.6, and PvErs desperate to save their buffs. What is happening in Thornblade right now will only add another few nails to the coffin of good PvP. It doesn't matter how you dress it up; what is happening is not and will never be a good thing.

Did you give a *** the past 2 months when you gate camped us ever single morning / day? did you give a *** when you drove most guilds away from the campaign? Do we give a *** now? Sorry.

Never become like your enemies.
Can't say I always control myself well enough for that, but I sure try.
Don't justify your own actions by those of others, be it IRL or in some game. At least the latter makes it less a concern if people behave like that...

VagabondAngel

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Did you give a *** the past 2 months when you gate camped us ever single morning / day? did you give a *** when you drove most guilds away from the campaign? Do we give a *** now? Sorry.

You know I did. You and I have even chatted about this. Of course you didn't see me stating my case in EP zone chat, nor some of the bashing I got for that.

Lava_Croft

At least the current situation is the best confirmation the Daggerfall Covenant could have given concerning their inability to beat the Ebonheart Pact in Thornblade.

Thank you and I agree.

themdogesbite

VagabondAngel wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Did you give a *** the past 2 months when you gate camped us ever single morning / day? did you give a *** when you drove most guilds away from the campaign? Do we give a *** now? Sorry.

You know I did. You and I have even chatted about this. Of course you didn't see me stating my case in EP zone chat, nor some of the bashing I got for that.

We did indeed, i was a bit to hars maybe, sorry!

AbraXuSeXile

VagabondAngel wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

If this is what you believe or know to be true, then you also know and accept that you are punishing the majority of EP players on Thornblade for the actions of a few by undertaking the same tactics you are so openly critical of. Then you are dressing it up as a necessary evil to justify yourself.

Whether or not you agree with nightcapping (or even acknowledge it as a real concept since PvP has no "closing time"), you must agree that good PvP for most of us is found neither in capping an empty map, nor in gate-camping a demoralised enemy faction. Since both AD and DC are now doing that to EP, it would be ridiculous to assume that the people you blame for 2 months of EP dominance are actually suffering anything other than losing their PvE buffs.

Two facts you seem blissfully unaware of:

1. That locked population you cite so often as primary justification for your hate campaign is made up largely of xp grinders and randoms who confess to "not even care about the map". Which is why when we get pushed all the way back to Arrius as our last line of defence, we barely have 50 people to defend it. In the last few days, during one of these instances, the comments in zone chat went something like this:

"Arrius sieged!"
....
"There's supposed to be a lore book here"

3. The only people affected by this current "green oppression" are the better and more consistent PvPers who have spent hours in prime-time queueing because of the influx of PvErs the all red map created. Now all we have to look forward to is getting gate-camped by Banana Squad and the Emperor's 20k prox detonations while Exile repeatedly siege from Kings lumber.

Bravo, you crushed the "zerg", thus proving your PvP prowess beyond all doubt. Now how about proving you've got some common sense too? Cyrodiil is suffering enough from neglect by ZoS, lag, unbalance due to some bad choices in 1.6, and PvErs desperate to save their buffs. What is happening in Thornblade right now will only add another few nails to the coffin of good PvP. It doesn't matter how you dress it up; what is happening is not and will never be a good thing.

I don't need the justify anything, Everyone who has experienced getting gate camped by EP knows this is warranted. In this season of Thornblade we have experienced the full lock night cap quite a few times early on by 2 EP organised trains and more.

Cyrodiil is a 24 hour map and Thornblade used to be the map we all went to after the other campaigns died down, But when you have 2 trains on full lock capping everything when everyone else has gone to sleep then the PvP dies and it also dies unti the demoralised factions wake up.

It's you guys who can end the madness on Thornblade and go try the other campaigns, Do you know how many times i've started with absolutely no keeps on an enemy buff campaign? Then worked our way up and up until the enemy leave and it turns into a blue buff campaign? You know what we do next? We leave because it's ridiculous.

Just imagine how Thorn would of been if we didn't stop what EP intend to do?

You do know EP drove away 4 DC guilds and many AD guilds from Thornblade last season, right? Many don't wanna deal with the night capping and morning gate farm.

AbraXuSeXile

Tankqull wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Eagerly anticipating the EP zerg in the last week of the campaign, Can't wait

This might come as a surprise, but the EP zerg cannot outnumber the Daggerfall Dominion zerg. We are having a great time anyway though! We feel pride when we see the lengths our enemies go to just to try and beat us.

Lol so it's just outnumbering that you focus on? Really? Most focus on strongest tactics and being more skillful but you can't outnumber so towel thrown in?

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

I know EP will try and 24/7 cap the shizzle out of the map in the last so many days, I'm looking forward to it

as you were ashamed of yourself coloring haderus blue with schwarzermagier a few weeks ago with your morning shift?

We've been on Thornblade for 23 days now.... and before that Chillrend.

AbraXuSeXile

A lot of people need to understand the functions of AvAvA, It's a 3 faction war for a reason. You take down the ones who are the most threat to you. The 2 least populated factions shouldn't smash each other while the mega zerg takes everything.

I'll tell you a story about Darkfall, There was an alliance called 'Hyperion' which was the biggest zerg i've seen in any game and they was chewing up the map constantly. We created an alliance called COTC which was made in order to take these guys down. It was important this happened as we would of lost our own Keeps, This spanned on months and months until one night we managed to rid them off the map.




Once we took too much of the map we had to cut the alliance because a new alliance was forming to rid us off the map as we had become the thing we set out to destroy.

So all in all this becomes a long drawn out process, But this is how the game is supposed to work. And it's not happening like this because you are 'too stronk' i find some AD pugs harder to kill than your trains, But it's hard to stop a wrecking ball from swinging.

ToRelax

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

If this is what you believe or know to be true, then you also know and accept that you are punishing the majority of EP players on Thornblade for the actions of a few by undertaking the same tactics you are so openly critical of. Then you are dressing it up as a necessary evil to justify yourself.

Whether or not you agree with nightcapping (or even acknowledge it as a real concept since PvP has no "closing time"), you must agree that good PvP for most of us is found neither in capping an empty map, nor in gate-camping a demoralised enemy faction. Since both AD and DC are now doing that to EP, it would be ridiculous to assume that the people you blame for 2 months of EP dominance are actually suffering anything other than losing their PvE buffs.

Two facts you seem blissfully unaware of:

1. That locked population you cite so often as primary justification for your hate campaign is made up largely of xp grinders and randoms who confess to "not even care about the map". Which is why when we get pushed all the way back to Arrius as our last line of defence, we barely have 50 people to defend it. In the last few days, during one of these instances, the comments in zone chat went something like this:

"Arrius sieged!"
....
"There's supposed to be a lore book here"

3. The only people affected by this current "green oppression" are the better and more consistent PvPers who have spent hours in prime-time queueing because of the influx of PvErs the all red map created. Now all we have to look forward to is getting gate-camped by Banana Squad and the Emperor's 20k prox detonations while Exile repeatedly siege from Kings lumber.

Bravo, you crushed the "zerg", thus proving your PvP prowess beyond all doubt. Now how about proving you've got some common sense too? Cyrodiil is suffering enough from neglect by ZoS, lag, unbalance due to some bad choices in 1.6, and PvErs desperate to save their buffs. What is happening in Thornblade right now will only add another few nails to the coffin of good PvP. It doesn't matter how you dress it up; what is happening is not and will never be a good thing.

I don't need the justify anything, Everyone who has experienced getting gate camped by EP knows this is warranted. In this season of Thornblade we have experienced the full lock night cap quite a few times early on by 2 EP organised trains and more.

Cyrodiil is a 24 hour map and Thornblade used to be the map we all went to after the other campaigns died down, But when you have 2 trains on full lock capping everything when everyone else has gone to sleep then the PvP dies and it also dies unti the demoralised factions wake up.

It's you guys who can end the madness on Thornblade and go try the other campaigns, Do you know how many times i've started with absolutely no keeps on an enemy buff campaign? Then worked our way up and up until the enemy leave and it turns into a blue buff campaign? You know what we do next? We leave because it's ridiculous.

Just imagine how Thorn would of been if we didn't stop what EP intend to do?

You do know EP drove away 4 DC guilds and many AD guilds from Thornblade last season, right? Many don't wanna deal with the night capping and morning gate farm.

Sure you don't have to justify anything - just accept that you don't behave much different from what you say yourself, destroys good PvP.
You have been nightcapping, running in zergs and gate camping all yourself, now you blame others for doing so? Because you don't like it when others behave like that? Logic.

Turelus

I personally miss the opening weeks of Thornblade when all the factions were balanced at almost all times creating that awesome front line stale mate with hours of good PVP.

Now it seems to be on a rotation to which faction takes a month away letting others dominate, blaming each other for exploiting and creating lag and generally not having fun.

Tankqull

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Eagerly anticipating the EP zerg in the last week of the campaign, Can't wait

This might come as a surprise, but the EP zerg cannot outnumber the Daggerfall Dominion zerg. We are having a great time anyway though! We feel pride when we see the lengths our enemies go to just to try and beat us.

Lol so it's just outnumbering that you focus on? Really? Most focus on strongest tactics and being more skillful but you can't outnumber so towel thrown in?

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

I know EP will try and 24/7 cap the shizzle out of the map in the last so many days, I'm looking forward to it

as you were ashamed of yourself coloring haderus blue with schwarzermagier a few weeks ago with your morning shift?

We've been on Thornblade for 23 days now.... and before that Chillrend.

mea culpa - i dont care on wich server i am most of the time, than it has been chillrend none the less it was drowned in smurfs and you doesent seemed to be ashamed participating.

VagabondAngel

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

I don't need the to justify anything.

I didn't say you needed to, I implied that you can't. Honestly, you shout so loud you literally hear nothing but yourself.

We had a similar situation back when shido was running his yellow zergs and we all awoke to find an all yellow map on many a morning, gate camping included. What did we do then? Whine and then pursue an antagonstic vendetta? No, we tried and tried until we pushed them back and then business as usual.

All I and many others like me want is good fights, regardless of who has the most keeps/scrolls/points. Winning a campaign is nice ofc but it means little other than a small amount of gold.

themdogesbite

5 days and 3 million AP later Princess Frostsoul got dethroned. Finaly he can play his beloved Withcer 3!

Assilma

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Did you give a *** the past 2 months when you gate camped us ever single morning / day? did you give a *** when you drove most guilds away from the campaign? Do we give a *** now? Sorry.

No, I was busy in Haderus where Exile were nightcapping and gatecamping 24/7 there.

AbraXuSeXile

ToRelax wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

If this is what you believe or know to be true, then you also know and accept that you are punishing the majority of EP players on Thornblade for the actions of a few by undertaking the same tactics you are so openly critical of. Then you are dressing it up as a necessary evil to justify yourself.

Whether or not you agree with nightcapping (or even acknowledge it as a real concept since PvP has no "closing time"), you must agree that good PvP for most of us is found neither in capping an empty map, nor in gate-camping a demoralised enemy faction. Since both AD and DC are now doing that to EP, it would be ridiculous to assume that the people you blame for 2 months of EP dominance are actually suffering anything other than losing their PvE buffs.

Two facts you seem blissfully unaware of:

1. That locked population you cite so often as primary justification for your hate campaign is made up largely of xp grinders and randoms who confess to "not even care about the map". Which is why when we get pushed all the way back to Arrius as our last line of defence, we barely have 50 people to defend it. In the last few days, during one of these instances, the comments in zone chat went something like this:

"Arrius sieged!"
....
"There's supposed to be a lore book here"

3. The only people affected by this current "green oppression" are the better and more consistent PvPers who have spent hours in prime-time queueing because of the influx of PvErs the all red map created. Now all we have to look forward to is getting gate-camped by Banana Squad and the Emperor's 20k prox detonations while Exile repeatedly siege from Kings lumber.

Bravo, you crushed the "zerg", thus proving your PvP prowess beyond all doubt. Now how about proving you've got some common sense too? Cyrodiil is suffering enough from neglect by ZoS, lag, unbalance due to some bad choices in 1.6, and PvErs desperate to save their buffs. What is happening in Thornblade right now will only add another few nails to the coffin of good PvP. It doesn't matter how you dress it up; what is happening is not and will never be a good thing.

I don't need the justify anything, Everyone who has experienced getting gate camped by EP knows this is warranted. In this season of Thornblade we have experienced the full lock night cap quite a few times early on by 2 EP organised trains and more.

Cyrodiil is a 24 hour map and Thornblade used to be the map we all went to after the other campaigns died down, But when you have 2 trains on full lock capping everything when everyone else has gone to sleep then the PvP dies and it also dies unti the demoralised factions wake up.

It's you guys who can end the madness on Thornblade and go try the other campaigns, Do you know how many times i've started with absolutely no keeps on an enemy buff campaign? Then worked our way up and up until the enemy leave and it turns into a blue buff campaign? You know what we do next? We leave because it's ridiculous.

Just imagine how Thorn would of been if we didn't stop what EP intend to do?

You do know EP drove away 4 DC guilds and many AD guilds from Thornblade last season, right? Many don't wanna deal with the night capping and morning gate farm.

Sure you don't have to justify anything - just accept that you don't behave much different from what you say yourself, destroys good PvP.
You have been nightcapping, running in zergs and gate camping all yourself, now you blame others for doing so? Because you don't like it when others behave like that? Logic.

Assilma wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Did you give a *** the past 2 months when you gate camped us ever single morning / day? did you give a *** when you drove most guilds away from the campaign? Do we give a *** now? Sorry.

No, I was busy in Haderus where Exile were nightcapping and gatecamping 24/7 there.

I don't understand why people call us night cappers, I prefer to think of it as night defenders. If i tried to get my guild to PvDoor if no enemies i would have a mutiny. We usually have our map by the end of peak time, Sometimes it goes over but the end result is we need to have enough keeps to defend emperorship while we sleep, This is how we work on buff campaigns.

We have gate farmed sure, We've done it a few times but the difference is though once we get to that stage we abdictate emperorship and leave the campaign.

To call us a zerg is laughable really, The ammount of times i've been able to get more than 18 man in a raid since the original campaigns i could count on one hand. Just because we run in an organised manner and dps in the same area doesn't mean we are a full on zerg.

But anyway i've no need to defend ourselves against a bunch of butthurt EP, For far too long EP have scoffed and laughed and done this charade and not known when to knock it off. Thornblade used to be a nice place to go to after the other campaigns died down, Then it became defending vs 2 trains in one keep with a miniscule of people. Lessons need to be taught and learned from in order to stop all future campaigns going into a mess.

I doubt eXile will be doing anything campaign related after this campaign, Win or lose i think we've done a good enough job already and i hope people learn from this venture in order to keep campaigns from becoming one sided. Maybe we wont be on Thornblade i fancy hotting some buff campaigns soon especially if EP dont do a good enough zerg job in the last few days.

ToRelax

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

If this is what you believe or know to be true, then you also know and accept that you are punishing the majority of EP players on Thornblade for the actions of a few by undertaking the same tactics you are so openly critical of. Then you are dressing it up as a necessary evil to justify yourself.

Whether or not you agree with nightcapping (or even acknowledge it as a real concept since PvP has no "closing time"), you must agree that good PvP for most of us is found neither in capping an empty map, nor in gate-camping a demoralised enemy faction. Since both AD and DC are now doing that to EP, it would be ridiculous to assume that the people you blame for 2 months of EP dominance are actually suffering anything other than losing their PvE buffs.

Two facts you seem blissfully unaware of:

1. That locked population you cite so often as primary justification for your hate campaign is made up largely of xp grinders and randoms who confess to "not even care about the map". Which is why when we get pushed all the way back to Arrius as our last line of defence, we barely have 50 people to defend it. In the last few days, during one of these instances, the comments in zone chat went something like this:

"Arrius sieged!"
....
"There's supposed to be a lore book here"

3. The only people affected by this current "green oppression" are the better and more consistent PvPers who have spent hours in prime-time queueing because of the influx of PvErs the all red map created. Now all we have to look forward to is getting gate-camped by Banana Squad and the Emperor's 20k prox detonations while Exile repeatedly siege from Kings lumber.

Bravo, you crushed the "zerg", thus proving your PvP prowess beyond all doubt. Now how about proving you've got some common sense too? Cyrodiil is suffering enough from neglect by ZoS, lag, unbalance due to some bad choices in 1.6, and PvErs desperate to save their buffs. What is happening in Thornblade right now will only add another few nails to the coffin of good PvP. It doesn't matter how you dress it up; what is happening is not and will never be a good thing.

I don't need the justify anything, Everyone who has experienced getting gate camped by EP knows this is warranted. In this season of Thornblade we have experienced the full lock night cap quite a few times early on by 2 EP organised trains and more.

Cyrodiil is a 24 hour map and Thornblade used to be the map we all went to after the other campaigns died down, But when you have 2 trains on full lock capping everything when everyone else has gone to sleep then the PvP dies and it also dies unti the demoralised factions wake up.

It's you guys who can end the madness on Thornblade and go try the other campaigns, Do you know how many times i've started with absolutely no keeps on an enemy buff campaign? Then worked our way up and up until the enemy leave and it turns into a blue buff campaign? You know what we do next? We leave because it's ridiculous.

Just imagine how Thorn would of been if we didn't stop what EP intend to do?

You do know EP drove away 4 DC guilds and many AD guilds from Thornblade last season, right? Many don't wanna deal with the night capping and morning gate farm.

Sure you don't have to justify anything - just accept that you don't behave much different from what you say yourself, destroys good PvP.
You have been nightcapping, running in zergs and gate camping all yourself, now you blame others for doing so? Because you don't like it when others behave like that? Logic.

Assilma wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Did you give a *** the past 2 months when you gate camped us ever single morning / day? did you give a *** when you drove most guilds away from the campaign? Do we give a *** now? Sorry.

No, I was busy in Haderus where Exile were nightcapping and gatecamping 24/7 there.

I don't understand why people call us night cappers, I prefer to think of it as night defenders. If i tried to get my guild to PvDoor if no enemies i would have a mutiny. We usually have our map by the end of peak time, Sometimes it goes over but the end result is we need to have enough keeps to defend emperorship while we sleep, This is how we work on buff campaigns.

We have gate farmed sure, We've done it a few times but the difference is though once we get to that stage we abdictate emperorship and leave the campaign.

To call us a zerg is laughable really, The ammount of times i've been able to get more than 18 man in a raid since the original campaigns i could count on one hand. Just because we run in an organised manner and dps in the same area doesn't mean we are a full on zerg.

But anyway i've no need to defend ourselves against a bunch of butthurt EP, For far too long EP have scoffed and laughed and done this charade and not known when to knock it off. Thornblade used to be a nice place to go to after the other campaigns died down, Then it became defending vs 2 trains in one keep with a miniscule of people. Lessons need to be taught and learned from in order to stop all future campaigns going into a mess.

I doubt eXile will be doing anything campaign related after this campaign, Win or lose i think we've done a good enough job already and i hope people learn from this venture in order to keep campaigns from becoming one sided. Maybe we wont be on Thornblade i fancy hotting some buff campaigns soon especially if EP dont do a good enough zerg job in the last few days.

The EP who are nightcapping are sure outnumbering their enemies at that time, but calling it PvE is not true for the most time. People get demoralized and leave when they get zerged down and can't do anything about it, after that there's not much PvP to have anymore. But that is an entirely different problem, the game mechanics favoring large zergs.

The people who go on capping what is left of the map - usually not much, when the enemies already leave - yes, those are more fighting the NPCs than actual players.
And why do they do it? Both for campaign points and a better chance to hold the stolen scrolls and emperorship as long as possible the next day. That is how we would do it on a buffcampaign as well, I simply don't see how the motive makes a difference to the deed. If capping a whole map without much resistance is bad for PvP, why do you do it and blame others?

EP are on Thornblade because they are used to having some opposition there. You proove them right once again, why should they leave?
Besides that, from what I was told and from my own experiences when having a look myself, your guild didn't seem to have any problem in painting a whole map blue and gate camping opposing factions for at least one week.
Demoralizing the enemy and seeing a campaign die correlate to each other... however, that won't balance a buff campaign, your own faction will eventually bring some zergs and spoil the fun either way.

I am sure there are bigger zergs than you and you don't always run as one, no worries .
18 man is a lot though - I understand why one would run in such a large group, especially in 1.6, it just doesn't make it any less "zergy". So calling others out for zerging seems pretty hypocritical.

For the rest idc. Do what you want.

AbraXuSeXile

ToRelax wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.

If this is what you believe or know to be true, then you also know and accept that you are punishing the majority of EP players on Thornblade for the actions of a few by undertaking the same tactics you are so openly critical of. Then you are dressing it up as a necessary evil to justify yourself.

Whether or not you agree with nightcapping (or even acknowledge it as a real concept since PvP has no "closing time"), you must agree that good PvP for most of us is found neither in capping an empty map, nor in gate-camping a demoralised enemy faction. Since both AD and DC are now doing that to EP, it would be ridiculous to assume that the people you blame for 2 months of EP dominance are actually suffering anything other than losing their PvE buffs.

Two facts you seem blissfully unaware of:

1. That locked population you cite so often as primary justification for your hate campaign is made up largely of xp grinders and randoms who confess to "not even care about the map". Which is why when we get pushed all the way back to Arrius as our last line of defence, we barely have 50 people to defend it. In the last few days, during one of these instances, the comments in zone chat went something like this:

"Arrius sieged!"
....
"There's supposed to be a lore book here"

3. The only people affected by this current "green oppression" are the better and more consistent PvPers who have spent hours in prime-time queueing because of the influx of PvErs the all red map created. Now all we have to look forward to is getting gate-camped by Banana Squad and the Emperor's 20k prox detonations while Exile repeatedly siege from Kings lumber.

Bravo, you crushed the "zerg", thus proving your PvP prowess beyond all doubt. Now how about proving you've got some common sense too? Cyrodiil is suffering enough from neglect by ZoS, lag, unbalance due to some bad choices in 1.6, and PvErs desperate to save their buffs. What is happening in Thornblade right now will only add another few nails to the coffin of good PvP. It doesn't matter how you dress it up; what is happening is not and will never be a good thing.

I don't need the justify anything, Everyone who has experienced getting gate camped by EP knows this is warranted. In this season of Thornblade we have experienced the full lock night cap quite a few times early on by 2 EP organised trains and more.

Cyrodiil is a 24 hour map and Thornblade used to be the map we all went to after the other campaigns died down, But when you have 2 trains on full lock capping everything when everyone else has gone to sleep then the PvP dies and it also dies unti the demoralised factions wake up.

It's you guys who can end the madness on Thornblade and go try the other campaigns, Do you know how many times i've started with absolutely no keeps on an enemy buff campaign? Then worked our way up and up until the enemy leave and it turns into a blue buff campaign? You know what we do next? We leave because it's ridiculous.

Just imagine how Thorn would of been if we didn't stop what EP intend to do?

You do know EP drove away 4 DC guilds and many AD guilds from Thornblade last season, right? Many don't wanna deal with the night capping and morning gate farm.

Sure you don't have to justify anything - just accept that you don't behave much different from what you say yourself, destroys good PvP.
You have been nightcapping, running in zergs and gate camping all yourself, now you blame others for doing so? Because you don't like it when others behave like that? Logic.

Assilma wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Did you give a *** the past 2 months when you gate camped us ever single morning / day? did you give a *** when you drove most guilds away from the campaign? Do we give a *** now? Sorry.

No, I was busy in Haderus where Exile were nightcapping and gatecamping 24/7 there.

I don't understand why people call us night cappers, I prefer to think of it as night defenders. If i tried to get my guild to PvDoor if no enemies i would have a mutiny. We usually have our map by the end of peak time, Sometimes it goes over but the end result is we need to have enough keeps to defend emperorship while we sleep, This is how we work on buff campaigns.

We have gate farmed sure, We've done it a few times but the difference is though once we get to that stage we abdictate emperorship and leave the campaign.

To call us a zerg is laughable really, The ammount of times i've been able to get more than 18 man in a raid since the original campaigns i could count on one hand. Just because we run in an organised manner and dps in the same area doesn't mean we are a full on zerg.

But anyway i've no need to defend ourselves against a bunch of butthurt EP, For far too long EP have scoffed and laughed and done this charade and not known when to knock it off. Thornblade used to be a nice place to go to after the other campaigns died down, Then it became defending vs 2 trains in one keep with a miniscule of people. Lessons need to be taught and learned from in order to stop all future campaigns going into a mess.

I doubt eXile will be doing anything campaign related after this campaign, Win or lose i think we've done a good enough job already and i hope people learn from this venture in order to keep campaigns from becoming one sided. Maybe we wont be on Thornblade i fancy hotting some buff campaigns soon especially if EP dont do a good enough zerg job in the last few days.

The EP who are nightcapping are sure outnumbering their enemies at that time, but calling it PvE is not true for the most time. People get demoralized and leave when they get zerged down and can't do anything about it, after that there's not much PvP to have anymore. But that is an entirely different problem, the game mechanics favoring large zergs.

The people who go on capping what is left of the map - usually not much, when the enemies already leave - yes, those are more fighting the NPCs than actual players.
And why do they do it? Both for campaign points and a better chance to hold the stolen scrolls and emperorship as long as possible the next day. That is how we would do it on a buffcampaign as well, I simply don't see how the motive makes a difference to the deed. If capping a whole map without much resistance is bad for PvP, why do you do it and blame others?

EP are on Thornblade because they are used to having some opposition there. You proove them right once again, why should they leave?
Besides that, from what I was told and from my own experiences when having a look myself, your guild didn't seem to have any problem in painting a whole map blue and gate camping opposing factions for at least one week.
Demoralizing the enemy and seeing a campaign die correlate to each other... however, that won't balance a buff campaign, your own faction will eventually bring some zergs and spoil the fun either way.

I am sure there are bigger zergs than you and you don't always run as one, no worries .
18 man is a lot though - I understand why one would run in such a large group, especially in 1.6, it just doesn't make it any less "zergy". So calling others out for zerging seems pretty hypocritical.

For the rest idc. Do what you want.

I'm not suprised people get demoralised and leave when they make good progress then 1am comes and boom 3 organised groups wipe the remnants of the faction most of which are already tucked up in bed.

The big difference is these groups focus only on capping at night and taking scrolls, Be it for points but they don't take emperorship beforehand, they take it at a stupid time, It's a huge difference to what we've done in the past.

We've gate camped for small periods of time and left, You probably think we like a dead map or gate camping. We hate it and this is why we move to different campaigns to get the most PvP for ourselves, We came to Thornblade knowing 4 DC guilds had left days before, We set ourselves up to get gate farmed and it has happened maybe 6x so far in 23 days. Luckily the AD and DC had common sense and knew when enough was enough