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Can we have an European Thornblade (EU) topic?
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There's no sadness involved when it comes to losing from two factions working together.AbraXuSeXile wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Of course it's much better to cry on the forums about how EP nightcaps, zergs and what not, only to team up with another faction and then proceed to do those exact same things, all the while pretending it's a form of 'justice' or 'punishment'.Cry about everything when your enemies do it, and think it's a honorable and great tactic that makes your alliance "stronk" when you do it.
You could just have admitted right away that all you wanted to do is what EP was doing. Now you just come across as a bunch of hypocrites instead of a bunch of Warriors for Justice.
A funny side effect of this Daggerfall Dominion is that the poor EP newbies who got farmed, nightcapped and gatecamped by the DC in Chillrend for months can finally see that whenever these DC are met with any kind of meaningful resistance, they have to resort to alliances with other factions and what not. It will warm their hearts.
Your just sad you can't zerg the map at night anymore
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✭Kater_Murr wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »There's no sadness involved when it comes to losing from two factions working together.
You always seem to forget that these factions are rarely pop-locked, unlike yours. But 'tis convenient, I assume.
just force the memebers of your alliance caps locking another server over to thorn and every thing is fine... (or lagged what ever :P)spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭✭AbraXuSeXile wrote: »AbraXuSeXile wrote: »VagabondAngel wrote: »
If this is what you believe or know to be true, then you also know and accept that you are punishing the majority of EP players on Thornblade for the actions of a few by undertaking the same tactics you are so openly critical of. Then you are dressing it up as a necessary evil to justify yourself.AbraXuSeXile wrote: »Most EP are ashamed of there faction focussing on capping the entire map when the other factions drop population.
Whether or not you agree with nightcapping (or even acknowledge it as a real concept since PvP has no "closing time"), you must agree that good PvP for most of us is found neither in capping an empty map, nor in gate-camping a demoralised enemy faction. Since both AD and DC are now doing that to EP, it would be ridiculous to assume that the people you blame for 2 months of EP dominance are actually suffering anything other than losing their PvE buffs.
Two facts you seem blissfully unaware of:
1. That locked population you cite so often as primary justification for your hate campaign is made up largely of xp grinders and randoms who confess to "not even care about the map". Which is why when we get pushed all the way back to Arrius as our last line of defence, we barely have 50 people to defend it. In the last few days, during one of these instances, the comments in zone chat went something like this:
"Arrius sieged!"
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"There's supposed to be a lore book here"
3. The only people affected by this current "green oppression" are the better and more consistent PvPers who have spent hours in prime-time queueing because of the influx of PvErs the all red map created. Now all we have to look forward to is getting gate-camped by Banana Squad and the Emperor's 20k prox detonations while Exile repeatedly siege from Kings lumber.
Bravo, you crushed the "zerg", thus proving your PvP prowess beyond all doubt. Now how about proving you've got some common sense too? Cyrodiil is suffering enough from neglect by ZoS, lag, unbalance due to some bad choices in 1.6, and PvErs desperate to save their buffs. What is happening in Thornblade right now will only add another few nails to the coffin of good PvP. It doesn't matter how you dress it up; what is happening is not and will never be a good thing.
I don't need the justify anything, Everyone who has experienced getting gate camped by EP knows this is warranted. In this season of Thornblade we have experienced the full lock night cap quite a few times early on by 2 EP organised trains and more.
Cyrodiil is a 24 hour map and Thornblade used to be the map we all went to after the other campaigns died down, But when you have 2 trains on full lock capping everything when everyone else has gone to sleep then the PvP dies and it also dies unti the demoralised factions wake up.
It's you guys who can end the madness on Thornblade and go try the other campaigns, Do you know how many times i've started with absolutely no keeps on an enemy buff campaign? Then worked our way up and up until the enemy leave and it turns into a blue buff campaign? You know what we do next? We leave because it's ridiculous.
Just imagine how Thorn would of been if we didn't stop what EP intend to do?
You do know EP drove away 4 DC guilds and many AD guilds from Thornblade last season, right? Many don't wanna deal with the night capping and morning gate farm.
Sure you don't have to justify anything - just accept that you don't behave much different from what you say yourself, destroys good PvP.
You have been nightcapping, running in zergs and gate camping all yourself, now you blame others for doing so? Because you don't like it when others behave like that? Logic.johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »
Did you give a *** the past 2 months when you gate camped us ever single morning / day? did you give a *** when you drove most guilds away from the campaign? Do we give a *** now? Sorry.
No, I was busy in Haderus where Exile were nightcapping and gatecamping 24/7 there.
I don't understand why people call us night cappers, I prefer to think of it as night defenders. If i tried to get my guild to PvDoor if no enemies i would have a mutiny. We usually have our map by the end of peak time, Sometimes it goes over but the end result is we need to have enough keeps to defend emperorship while we sleep, This is how we work on buff campaigns.
We have gate farmed sure, We've done it a few times but the difference is though once we get to that stage we abdictate emperorship and leave the campaign.
To call us a zerg is laughable really, The ammount of times i've been able to get more than 18 man in a raid since the original campaigns i could count on one hand. Just because we run in an organised manner and dps in the same area doesn't mean we are a full on zerg.
But anyway i've no need to defend ourselves against a bunch of butthurt EP, For far too long EP have scoffed and laughed and done this charade and not known when to knock it off. Thornblade used to be a nice place to go to after the other campaigns died down, Then it became defending vs 2 trains in one keep with a miniscule of people. Lessons need to be taught and learned from in order to stop all future campaigns going into a mess.
I doubt eXile will be doing anything campaign related after this campaign, Win or lose i think we've done a good enough job already and i hope people learn from this venture in order to keep campaigns from becoming one sided. Maybe we wont be on Thornblade i fancy hotting some buff campaigns soon especially if EP dont do a good enough zerg job in the last few days.
The EP who are nightcapping are sure outnumbering their enemies at that time, but calling it PvE is not true for the most time. People get demoralized and leave when they get zerged down and can't do anything about it, after that there's not much PvP to have anymore. But that is an entirely different problem, the game mechanics favoring large zergs.
The people who go on capping what is left of the map - usually not much, when the enemies already leave - yes, those are more fighting the NPCs than actual players.
And why do they do it? Both for campaign points and a better chance to hold the stolen scrolls and emperorship as long as possible the next day. That is how we would do it on a buffcampaign as well, I simply don't see how the motive makes a difference to the deed. If capping a whole map without much resistance is bad for PvP, why do you do it and blame others?
EP are on Thornblade because they are used to having some opposition there. You proove them right once again, why should they leave?
Besides that, from what I was told and from my own experiences when having a look myself, your guild didn't seem to have any problem in painting a whole map blue and gate camping opposing factions for at least one week.
Demoralizing the enemy and seeing a campaign die correlate to each other... however, that won't balance a buff campaign, your own faction will eventually bring some zergs and spoil the fun either way.
I am sure there are bigger zergs than you and you don't always run as one, no worries .
18 man is a lot though - I understand why one would run in such a large group, especially in 1.6, it just doesn't make it any less "zergy". So calling others out for zerging seems pretty hypocritical.
For the rest idc. Do what you want.
18 man is a lot! Coming from a faction that runs in 60 man steel tornado lag zerg, I really don't think you can comment on this!
I can and I do. Why shouldn't I, or have you ever seen me in a zergball?
60 man is indeed a lot, too - even a lot more at that - and I never said EP doesn't zerg.AbraXuSeXile wrote: »He didnt even read what i said in the first place. It's rare we get 18 in a group, mostly around 12 And still called a zerg, This is either a butthurt statement or hes stupid
Personally, 12 man groups are too big for me to have fun, it does the same like a full zerg to a lesser extend, individual skill doesn't matter that much anymore and groups of that size I see usually play very similar like 24 man zergballs.
I also wrote you don't always run as a zerg, so not sure where you get your conclusions from.
However, what you wrote is this:
There is no comment on how big your groups are other than that it's less than 18 usually.To call us a zerg is laughable really, The ammount of times i've been able to get more than 18 man in a raid since the original campaigns i could count on one hand. Just because we run in an organised manner and dps in the same area doesn't mean we are a full on zerg.
I am neither butthurt nor stupid, but think what you want. DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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✭✭Glad to see the fall of the one button mashers these two days I've had off. It's all been down to a few good men so I hope we win this one for them.
For me, I've been having some great fights with smaller groups of AD and EP and I hope this continues in Thornblade but not this macro trend. I think people are using them more than ever with the general consensus that "well everyone else uses them so I must too". It will take the enjoyment out of it for you, you'll get bored.PC EU0 -
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
What you are basically saying is that all the crying about EP zergs and EP nightcapping wasn't really whining about EP zergs and EP nightcapping, but whining about the lack of people on both AD and DC to do the exact same thing. Now that you do have the people to do the exact same thing, we all see what happens.Lava_Croft wrote: »One thing is pretty clear: The Ebonheart Pact only needs a lock to two bars to own Thornblade, while our enemies need each other to accomplish the same, doing exactly the same things, but presenting it as something different.
FTFY.
As much as I hate gate camping, after the way that EP has ruined Thornblade for so long, this sounds like people taking their sweet revenge. You can argue that nightcapping is a part of the game and that war is 24/7, but to have one faction routinely take everything they lose (the second they have opposition) every single night/morning.. well, I guess your neighbours got tired of your *** and *** you up.
Most factions don't have enough night workers, unemployed, students or weird timezone people to nightcap 365 days a year, if you do it for long enough - expect consequences. (Look, I even gave you a day off on leap years).
And if you cannot see how this is related to the outnumbered comments earlier, you are missing the point. You don't win in primetime, you never have. Being outnumbered refers to the fact that you always cap when everyone else is sleeping, with much higher numbers. You say people should deal with it and organize themselves during nighttime (a common argument), well then you better just deal with this.. right?
Pot, kettle, etc.
there is no lack in the other alliances - these guys are just not painting thorn blue or yellow but haderus, chill and azura...spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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T3hOwnage69✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
What you are basically saying is that all the crying about EP zergs and EP nightcapping wasn't really whining about EP zergs and EP nightcapping, but whining about the lack of people on both AD and DC to do the exact same thing. Now that you do have the people to do the exact same thing, we all see what happens.Lava_Croft wrote: »One thing is pretty clear: The Ebonheart Pact only needs a lock to two bars to own Thornblade, while our enemies need each other to accomplish the same, doing exactly the same things, but presenting it as something different.
FTFY.
As much as I hate gate camping, after the way that EP has ruined Thornblade for so long, this sounds like people taking their sweet revenge. You can argue that nightcapping is a part of the game and that war is 24/7, but to have one faction routinely take everything they lose (the second they have opposition) every single night/morning.. well, I guess your neighbours got tired of your *** and *** you up.
Most factions don't have enough night workers, unemployed, students or weird timezone people to nightcap 365 days a year, if you do it for long enough - expect consequences. (Look, I even gave you a day off on leap years).
And if you cannot see how this is related to the outnumbered comments earlier, you are missing the point. You don't win in primetime, you never have. Being outnumbered refers to the fact that you always cap when everyone else is sleeping, with much higher numbers. You say people should deal with it and organize themselves during nighttime (a common argument), well then you better just deal with this.. right?
Pot, kettle, etc.
there is no lack in the other alliances - these guys are just not painting thorn blue or yellow but haderus, chill and azura...
ever tried spreading your numbers across campaigns like the rest does instead of turtling up on thornblade for easy wins and a 180 queue at prime3 -
Kilmister✭✭Getting away from the bitterness in the thread I thought a bit of comedy might lighten things up.
Abraxus explains his complicated diplomatic relationship with Frostsoul and the Yellows...
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
There's no sadness involved when it comes to losing from two factions working together.AbraXuSeXile wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Of course it's much better to cry on the forums about how EP nightcaps, zergs and what not, only to team up with another faction and then proceed to do those exact same things, all the while pretending it's a form of 'justice' or 'punishment'.Cry about everything when your enemies do it, and think it's a honorable and great tactic that makes your alliance "stronk" when you do it.
You could just have admitted right away that all you wanted to do is what EP was doing. Now you just come across as a bunch of hypocrites instead of a bunch of Warriors for Justice.
A funny side effect of this Daggerfall Dominion is that the poor EP newbies who got farmed, nightcapped and gatecamped by the DC in Chillrend for months can finally see that whenever these DC are met with any kind of meaningful resistance, they have to resort to alliances with other factions and what not. It will warm their hearts.
Your just sad you can't zerg the map at night anymore
Hasnt your guild lost a lot of members in the past week and your campaign heroes are playing in offline mode to hide the shame? What i hear from a disgruntled ex wabbajack night hero.Edited by AbraXuSeXile on May 27, 2015 11:10PMAbraXuS
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Legedric✭✭✭✭✭So Assilma's thread about Thorn in the Alliance War forum got deleted/moved to Nirvana? Well, who could have guessed that, huh?
Edited by Legedric on May 28, 2015 5:10AM◄ Legedric the Flamedancer ► - Redguard Dragon Knight
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✭So Assilma's thread about Thorn in the Alliance War forum got deleted/moved to Nirvana? Well, who could have guessed that, huh?
Very disappointing, was a nice read. I dont understand why they wont let us slug it out on the forum.AbraXuS
Grand Overlord Rank 50 [First EU]
Clan Leader of eXile
Gaming Community - Est. 1999
Crashing an EP Wedding | DK Emp | 1vX | Between Enemy Lines | Hate Video | 5 v Many0 -
Legedric✭✭✭✭✭Well, at the end of the day we are talking about ZOS here so I am not surprised they got rid of this thread... Of course I think it's a shame that they do things like that but then again I think the state of the game's PvP is also a shame so this kinda matches what I expect from ZOS these days ◄ Legedric the Flamedancer ► - Redguard Dragon Knight
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SC0TY999✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Of course it's much better to cry on the forums about how EP nightcaps, zergs and what not, only to team up with another faction and then proceed to do those exact same things, all the while pretending it's a form of 'justice' or 'punishment'.Cry about everything when your enemies do it, and think it's a honorable and great tactic that makes your alliance "stronk" when you do it.
You could just have admitted right away that all you wanted to do is what EP was doing. Now you just come across as a bunch of hypocrites instead of a bunch of Warriors for Justice.
A funny side effect of this Daggerfall Dominion is that the poor EP newbies who got farmed, nightcapped and gatecamped by the DC in Chillrend for months can finally see that whenever these DC are met with any kind of meaningful resistance, they have to resort to alliances with other factions and what not. It will warm their hearts.
I can't even..
Meaningful resistance!
What pop locked EP against low pop DC and AD. With EP running about in the 60 man steel tornado lag train, you call that meaningful resistance?
You EP are just butt hurt cause you're going to lose this campaign Edited by SC0TY999 on May 28, 2015 10:39AM1 -
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
What you are basically saying is that all the crying about EP zergs and EP nightcapping wasn't really whining about EP zergs and EP nightcapping, but whining about the lack of people on both AD and DC to do the exact same thing. Now that you do have the people to do the exact same thing, we all see what happens.Lava_Croft wrote: »One thing is pretty clear: The Ebonheart Pact only needs a lock to two bars to own Thornblade, while our enemies need each other to accomplish the same, doing exactly the same things, but presenting it as something different.
FTFY.
As much as I hate gate camping, after the way that EP has ruined Thornblade for so long, this sounds like people taking their sweet revenge. You can argue that nightcapping is a part of the game and that war is 24/7, but to have one faction routinely take everything they lose (the second they have opposition) every single night/morning.. well, I guess your neighbours got tired of your *** and *** you up.
Most factions don't have enough night workers, unemployed, students or weird timezone people to nightcap 365 days a year, if you do it for long enough - expect consequences. (Look, I even gave you a day off on leap years).
And if you cannot see how this is related to the outnumbered comments earlier, you are missing the point. You don't win in primetime, you never have. Being outnumbered refers to the fact that you always cap when everyone else is sleeping, with much higher numbers. You say people should deal with it and organize themselves during nighttime (a common argument), well then you better just deal with this.. right?
Pot, kettle, etc.
there is no lack in the other alliances - these guys are just not painting thorn blue or yellow but haderus, chill and azura...
Are you sure about that? I mean, do you see people online on any of those campaigns at 3-8 AM because I don't?
I know people gate camp and do stupid *** on all alliances, but I don't think any other alliance has people who cap the maps after 3 AM more than occasionally and certainly not daily..? I can't be sure because I am rarely ever online at that time, but the times I've been there is low pop everywhere except EP on thorn.
yes i am
instead of going to bed directly after arriving home after my night shift i loged in for a few minutes
Thursday ~6:30 AM CEST
make out of it what you like Edited by Tankqull on May 28, 2015 10:56AMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
What you are basically saying is that all the crying about EP zergs and EP nightcapping wasn't really whining about EP zergs and EP nightcapping, but whining about the lack of people on both AD and DC to do the exact same thing. Now that you do have the people to do the exact same thing, we all see what happens.Lava_Croft wrote: »One thing is pretty clear: The Ebonheart Pact only needs a lock to two bars to own Thornblade, while our enemies need each other to accomplish the same, doing exactly the same things, but presenting it as something different.
FTFY.
As much as I hate gate camping, after the way that EP has ruined Thornblade for so long, this sounds like people taking their sweet revenge. You can argue that nightcapping is a part of the game and that war is 24/7, but to have one faction routinely take everything they lose (the second they have opposition) every single night/morning.. well, I guess your neighbours got tired of your *** and *** you up.
Most factions don't have enough night workers, unemployed, students or weird timezone people to nightcap 365 days a year, if you do it for long enough - expect consequences. (Look, I even gave you a day off on leap years).
And if you cannot see how this is related to the outnumbered comments earlier, you are missing the point. You don't win in primetime, you never have. Being outnumbered refers to the fact that you always cap when everyone else is sleeping, with much higher numbers. You say people should deal with it and organize themselves during nighttime (a common argument), well then you better just deal with this.. right?
Pot, kettle, etc.
there is no lack in the other alliances - these guys are just not painting thorn blue or yellow but haderus, chill and azura...
Are you sure about that? I mean, do you see people online on any of those campaigns at 3-8 AM because I don't?
I know people gate camp and do stupid *** on all alliances, but I don't think any other alliance has people who cap the maps after 3 AM more than occasionally and certainly not daily..? I can't be sure because I am rarely ever online at that time, but the times I've been there is low pop everywhere except EP on thorn.
yes i am
instead of going to bed directly after arriving home after my night shift i loged in for a few minutes
Thursday ~6:30 AM CEST
make out of it what you like
Interesting, didn't look like that on monday morning when I last checked before going to work.. then all campaigns except Thorn was low for everyone. ^^
Obviously it's *** that people sit around on empty campaigns facing no opposition, although I would still be very surprised if all those people combined together would come within half of EPs numbers on Thorn. Sadly I guess we will never know how many people Low/Medium/High/Locked actually means.
Anyway, you could look at it whatever way you want really - EP on Thorn, DC on Chill and AD on Haderus are all equally guilty of rather playing against walls than actual players. For these months that EP have been constantly retaking the map that they lose every single day, they could have also made the choice to go fight actual players.
The whole thing is stupid, obviously there's people to fight but all certain groups in all factions rather PvE.. so the only solution would be to somehow take that option away from them I guess.0 -
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
What you are basically saying is that all the crying about EP zergs and EP nightcapping wasn't really whining about EP zergs and EP nightcapping, but whining about the lack of people on both AD and DC to do the exact same thing. Now that you do have the people to do the exact same thing, we all see what happens.Lava_Croft wrote: »One thing is pretty clear: The Ebonheart Pact only needs a lock to two bars to own Thornblade, while our enemies need each other to accomplish the same, doing exactly the same things, but presenting it as something different.
FTFY.
As much as I hate gate camping, after the way that EP has ruined Thornblade for so long, this sounds like people taking their sweet revenge. You can argue that nightcapping is a part of the game and that war is 24/7, but to have one faction routinely take everything they lose (the second they have opposition) every single night/morning.. well, I guess your neighbours got tired of your *** and *** you up.
Most factions don't have enough night workers, unemployed, students or weird timezone people to nightcap 365 days a year, if you do it for long enough - expect consequences. (Look, I even gave you a day off on leap years).
And if you cannot see how this is related to the outnumbered comments earlier, you are missing the point. You don't win in primetime, you never have. Being outnumbered refers to the fact that you always cap when everyone else is sleeping, with much higher numbers. You say people should deal with it and organize themselves during nighttime (a common argument), well then you better just deal with this.. right?
Pot, kettle, etc.
there is no lack in the other alliances - these guys are just not painting thorn blue or yellow but haderus, chill and azura...
Are you sure about that? I mean, do you see people online on any of those campaigns at 3-8 AM because I don't?
I know people gate camp and do stupid *** on all alliances, but I don't think any other alliance has people who cap the maps after 3 AM more than occasionally and certainly not daily..? I can't be sure because I am rarely ever online at that time, but the times I've been there is low pop everywhere except EP on thorn.
yes i am
instead of going to bed directly after arriving home after my night shift i loged in for a few minutes
Thursday ~6:30 AM CEST
make out of it what you like
Interesting, didn't look like that on monday morning when I last checked before going to work.. then all campaigns except Thorn was low for everyone. ^^
Obviously it's *** that people sit around on empty campaigns facing no opposition, although I would still be very surprised if all those people combined together would come within half of EPs numbers on Thorn. Sadly I guess we will never know how many people Low/Medium/High/Locked actually means.
Anyway, you could look at it whatever way you want really - EP on Thorn, DC on Chill and AD on Haderus are all equally guilty of rather playing against walls than actual players. For these months that EP have been constantly retaking the map that they lose every single day, they could have also made the choice to go fight actual players.
The whole thing is stupid, obviously there's people to fight but all certain groups in all factions rather PvE.. so the only solution would be to somehow take that option away from them I guess.
well they have - thorn is the only "truly" contested campaign even at off hours going to another server will provide nothing and will reduce the number of enemy players even further.
the numbers at non off hours are thx to the player caps on thorn quite equal. so why should they bother going to another campaign?
while EP players without a bigger pvp guilds as backup have no chance to get any fun with 1-2bars of EP vs poplocked AD+DC tagteaming on eg. chillrend like yesterday evening against EP 90% of the time not bothering eachother as long as EP had their 3 home keeps (my 3 man group were waiting for a thorn invite wich did not happen ´till i had to go to work :P)
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✭It's not just the ridiculous population of EP on Thorn that is the issue, It's the fact they specifically target the late hours to form up 2-3 trains and smash the map, I got a PM from a well known EP PvPer during this campaign he tells me 'They are talking about your dropped population and your small group size, they are gonna take the map' I looked and we was on medium they was on lock and they proceeded to steamroll the entire map with trains, This was 2am.
I also watched a stream of an EP guild raid in the morning gate farming DC+AD smack talking how they are so dominant.
I remember a while ago when all other campaigns went quiet then everyone went to Thorn late night and early morning for some fun. This stopped because no one finds it fun to go against a full lock faction trains with minimal numbers.
Hopefully lessons have been learnt from this campaign and people realise the true nature of AvAvA, I think this season of Thorn has truly shown how to take down the dominant force and to avoid the red maps.
I'm not sure what will happen in the next campaign, Hopefully more AD and DC come or less EP and the map becomes in true AvAvA fashion and we can all get some nice 24/7 PvP.
Most of the organised night crew have stopped forming up now, This shows they never really cared about PvP. All they wanted was to plaster the map Red with a fake aura of dominance surrounding them.
AbraXuS
Grand Overlord Rank 50 [First EU]
Clan Leader of eXile
Gaming Community - Est. 1999
Crashing an EP Wedding | DK Emp | 1vX | Between Enemy Lines | Hate Video | 5 v Many3 -
Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭AbraXuSeXile wrote: »It's not just the ridiculous population of EP on Thorn that is the issue, It's the fact they specifically target the late hours to form up 2-3 trains and smash the map, I got a PM from a well known EP PvPer during this campaign he tells me 'They are talking about your dropped population and your small group size, they are gonna take the map' I looked and we was on medium they was on lock and they proceeded to steamroll the entire map with trains, This was 2am.
I also watched a stream of an EP guild raid in the morning gate farming DC+AD smack talking how they are so dominant.
I remember a while ago when all other campaigns went quiet then everyone went to Thorn late night and early morning for some fun. This stopped because no one finds it fun to go against a full lock faction trains with minimal numbers.
Hopefully lessons have been learnt from this campaign and people realise the true nature of AvAvA, I think this season of Thorn has truly shown how to take down the dominant force and to avoid the red maps.
I'm not sure what will happen in the next campaign, Hopefully more AD and DC come or less EP and the map becomes in true AvAvA fashion and we can all get some nice 24/7 PvP.
Most of the organised night crew have stopped forming up now, This shows they never really cared about PvP. All they wanted was to plaster the map Red with a fake aura of dominance surrounding them.
your words in gods ears
but i hardly doubt that - the campaign is lost for EP (this round and i hope DC gets its first victory and do not get their efforts stolen by the upcomming lowpop AD bonis) wich makes it unrewarding to them eventually we will se the same behaviour next round who knows ...spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
AbraXuSeXile✭✭✭✭✭
✭AbraXuSeXile wrote: »It's not just the ridiculous population of EP on Thorn that is the issue, It's the fact they specifically target the late hours to form up 2-3 trains and smash the map, I got a PM from a well known EP PvPer during this campaign he tells me 'They are talking about your dropped population and your small group size, they are gonna take the map' I looked and we was on medium they was on lock and they proceeded to steamroll the entire map with trains, This was 2am.
I also watched a stream of an EP guild raid in the morning gate farming DC+AD smack talking how they are so dominant.
I remember a while ago when all other campaigns went quiet then everyone went to Thorn late night and early morning for some fun. This stopped because no one finds it fun to go against a full lock faction trains with minimal numbers.
Hopefully lessons have been learnt from this campaign and people realise the true nature of AvAvA, I think this season of Thorn has truly shown how to take down the dominant force and to avoid the red maps.
I'm not sure what will happen in the next campaign, Hopefully more AD and DC come or less EP and the map becomes in true AvAvA fashion and we can all get some nice 24/7 PvP.
Most of the organised night crew have stopped forming up now, This shows they never really cared about PvP. All they wanted was to plaster the map Red with a fake aura of dominance surrounding them.
your words in gods ears
but i hardly doubt that - the campaign is lost for EP (this round and i hope DC gets its first victory and do not get their efforts stolen by the upcomming lowpop AD bonis) wich makes it unrewarding to them eventually we will se the same behaviour next round who knows ...
I think AD are just happy to be second and to of been a player on the map, without the brains of the AD to realise what would happen if they fought us and let EP have their way then they would of been screwed along with us.
We came to the campaign with no expectations and no sight of victory, i am happy DC will likely get its first victory on Thorn's 10th season which is 300 days, but the goal was just to be nuisances. Coming to the campaign and 4 DC guilds had left from the previous campaign was annoying as we are pretty burnt out at the moment so we wont be doing anything campaign related for a while, we will just PvP wherever we feel on the day.
AbraXuS
Grand Overlord Rank 50 [First EU]
Clan Leader of eXile
Gaming Community - Est. 1999
Crashing an EP Wedding | DK Emp | 1vX | Between Enemy Lines | Hate Video | 5 v Many0 -
VagabondAngel✭✭✭✭
We knew that already. Even now, this locked population you incessantly cite as just cause is nothing more than xp grinding and farming most of the time. The people in EP who have actually suffered are the real PvPers. I've never night-capped nor gate camped and yet PvP for me in Thorn has been totally destroyed by our hopeless randoms and the "mighty green alliance".AbraXuSeXile wrote: »Most of the organised night crew have stopped forming up now, This shows they never really cared about PvP. All they wanted was to plaster the map Red with a fake aura of dominance surrounding them.
Well done, you've taught a lesson to a bunch of throw-aways who don't even care.
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~ Ebonheart Pact ~
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'd like to know who these 'organized night crews' are or were. The only organized crew at slightly off hours that I know of was a morning raid, which was a direct answer to DC's morning raids. Any night raids I've participated in have always formed organically, due to people working night shifts, having days off and living in different time zones. I'm certainly not the type to set my alarm at some ungodly hour and I doubt any of the people I play with at night have done so.
However, for propaganda efforts it certainly works well to present it as an organized affair.
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pppontus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
What you are basically saying is that all the crying about EP zergs and EP nightcapping wasn't really whining about EP zergs and EP nightcapping, but whining about the lack of people on both AD and DC to do the exact same thing. Now that you do have the people to do the exact same thing, we all see what happens.Lava_Croft wrote: »One thing is pretty clear: The Ebonheart Pact only needs a lock to two bars to own Thornblade, while our enemies need each other to accomplish the same, doing exactly the same things, but presenting it as something different.
FTFY.
As much as I hate gate camping, after the way that EP has ruined Thornblade for so long, this sounds like people taking their sweet revenge. You can argue that nightcapping is a part of the game and that war is 24/7, but to have one faction routinely take everything they lose (the second they have opposition) every single night/morning.. well, I guess your neighbours got tired of your *** and *** you up.
Most factions don't have enough night workers, unemployed, students or weird timezone people to nightcap 365 days a year, if you do it for long enough - expect consequences. (Look, I even gave you a day off on leap years).
And if you cannot see how this is related to the outnumbered comments earlier, you are missing the point. You don't win in primetime, you never have. Being outnumbered refers to the fact that you always cap when everyone else is sleeping, with much higher numbers. You say people should deal with it and organize themselves during nighttime (a common argument), well then you better just deal with this.. right?
Pot, kettle, etc.
there is no lack in the other alliances - these guys are just not painting thorn blue or yellow but haderus, chill and azura...
Are you sure about that? I mean, do you see people online on any of those campaigns at 3-8 AM because I don't?
I know people gate camp and do stupid *** on all alliances, but I don't think any other alliance has people who cap the maps after 3 AM more than occasionally and certainly not daily..? I can't be sure because I am rarely ever online at that time, but the times I've been there is low pop everywhere except EP on thorn.
yes i am
instead of going to bed directly after arriving home after my night shift i loged in for a few minutes
Thursday ~6:30 AM CEST
make out of it what you like
Interesting, didn't look like that on monday morning when I last checked before going to work.. then all campaigns except Thorn was low for everyone. ^^
Obviously it's *** that people sit around on empty campaigns facing no opposition, although I would still be very surprised if all those people combined together would come within half of EPs numbers on Thorn. Sadly I guess we will never know how many people Low/Medium/High/Locked actually means.
Anyway, you could look at it whatever way you want really - EP on Thorn, DC on Chill and AD on Haderus are all equally guilty of rather playing against walls than actual players. For these months that EP have been constantly retaking the map that they lose every single day, they could have also made the choice to go fight actual players.
The whole thing is stupid, obviously there's people to fight but all certain groups in all factions rather PvE.. so the only solution would be to somehow take that option away from them I guess.
well they have - thorn is the only "truly" contested campaign even at off hours going to another server will provide nothing and will reduce the number of enemy players even further.
the numbers at non off hours are thx to the player caps on thorn quite equal. so why should they bother going to another campaign?
while EP players without a bigger pvp guilds as backup have no chance to get any fun with 1-2bars of EP vs poplocked AD+DC tagteaming on eg. chillrend like yesterday evening against EP 90% of the time not bothering eachother as long as EP had their 3 home keeps (my 3 man group were waiting for a thorn invite wich did not happen ´till i had to go to work :P)
That's where you're wrong though, if it had ever been a contested campaign the map would not be red when everyone wakes up. It's a very lame excuse for PvEing the map to be honest. When there's no enemies around most people find some on another campaign, maybe crown emp if you feel that's necessary but capping all the map and all scrolls against minimal resistance (60 vs 5) is completely [self moderated word].
Obviously it makes some people feel like they are superior and "stronk" players for being awake when no one else is, and they should probably seek professional help for that because it doesn't sound healthy.
This is seriously a big issue for PvP and always has been, it's what creates buff campaigns and drives population to go to other servers in the first place. It's such a bad cycle for PvP as every instance of killing campaigns like this just drives more people away.
Everyone could have chosen not to PvD all enemies to the gates every day and we'd have one less issue with PvP.
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
What you are basically saying is that all the crying about EP zergs and EP nightcapping wasn't really whining about EP zergs and EP nightcapping, but whining about the lack of people on both AD and DC to do the exact same thing. Now that you do have the people to do the exact same thing, we all see what happens.Lava_Croft wrote: »One thing is pretty clear: The Ebonheart Pact only needs a lock to two bars to own Thornblade, while our enemies need each other to accomplish the same, doing exactly the same things, but presenting it as something different.
FTFY.
As much as I hate gate camping, after the way that EP has ruined Thornblade for so long, this sounds like people taking their sweet revenge. You can argue that nightcapping is a part of the game and that war is 24/7, but to have one faction routinely take everything they lose (the second they have opposition) every single night/morning.. well, I guess your neighbours got tired of your *** and *** you up.
Most factions don't have enough night workers, unemployed, students or weird timezone people to nightcap 365 days a year, if you do it for long enough - expect consequences. (Look, I even gave you a day off on leap years).
And if you cannot see how this is related to the outnumbered comments earlier, you are missing the point. You don't win in primetime, you never have. Being outnumbered refers to the fact that you always cap when everyone else is sleeping, with much higher numbers. You say people should deal with it and organize themselves during nighttime (a common argument), well then you better just deal with this.. right?
Pot, kettle, etc.
there is no lack in the other alliances - these guys are just not painting thorn blue or yellow but haderus, chill and azura...
Are you sure about that? I mean, do you see people online on any of those campaigns at 3-8 AM because I don't?
I know people gate camp and do stupid *** on all alliances, but I don't think any other alliance has people who cap the maps after 3 AM more than occasionally and certainly not daily..? I can't be sure because I am rarely ever online at that time, but the times I've been there is low pop everywhere except EP on thorn.
yes i am
instead of going to bed directly after arriving home after my night shift i loged in for a few minutes
Thursday ~6:30 AM CEST
make out of it what you like
Interesting, didn't look like that on monday morning when I last checked before going to work.. then all campaigns except Thorn was low for everyone. ^^
Obviously it's *** that people sit around on empty campaigns facing no opposition, although I would still be very surprised if all those people combined together would come within half of EPs numbers on Thorn. Sadly I guess we will never know how many people Low/Medium/High/Locked actually means.
Anyway, you could look at it whatever way you want really - EP on Thorn, DC on Chill and AD on Haderus are all equally guilty of rather playing against walls than actual players. For these months that EP have been constantly retaking the map that they lose every single day, they could have also made the choice to go fight actual players.
The whole thing is stupid, obviously there's people to fight but all certain groups in all factions rather PvE.. so the only solution would be to somehow take that option away from them I guess.
well they have - thorn is the only "truly" contested campaign even at off hours going to another server will provide nothing and will reduce the number of enemy players even further.
the numbers at non off hours are thx to the player caps on thorn quite equal. so why should they bother going to another campaign?
while EP players without a bigger pvp guilds as backup have no chance to get any fun with 1-2bars of EP vs poplocked AD+DC tagteaming on eg. chillrend like yesterday evening against EP 90% of the time not bothering eachother as long as EP had their 3 home keeps (my 3 man group were waiting for a thorn invite wich did not happen ´till i had to go to work :P)
That's where you're wrong though, if it had ever been a contested campaign the map would not be red when everyone wakes up. It's a very lame excuse for PvEing the map to be honest. When there's no enemies around most people find some on another campaign, maybe crown emp if you feel that's necessary but capping all the map and all scrolls against minimal resistance (60 vs 5) is completely [self moderated word].
Obviously it makes some people feel like they are superior and "stronk" players for being awake when no one else is, and they should probably seek professional help for that because it doesn't sound healthy.
This is seriously a big issue for PvP and always has been, it's what creates buff campaigns and drives population to go to other servers in the first place. It's such a bad cycle for PvP as every instance of killing campaigns like this just drives more people away.
Everyone could have chosen not to PvD all enemies to the gates every day and we'd have one less issue with PvP.
well you don´t get what i´m saying - thorn is the only contested campaign at night at all, the other campaigns are painted blue or yellow by the same amount of AD & DC players as there are on thorn at those times.
so you can either play 60vs20-30vs20-30 on thorn, or 20vs20vs0 respectively 20vs0vs20 - guess what is more intresting...
personly my solution would be to disable the non thorn campaigns due to off hours forcing those truly PvDing AD and DC to thorn equalizing the numbers on thorn significantly.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
themdogesbite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
What you are basically saying is that all the crying about EP zergs and EP nightcapping wasn't really whining about EP zergs and EP nightcapping, but whining about the lack of people on both AD and DC to do the exact same thing. Now that you do have the people to do the exact same thing, we all see what happens.Lava_Croft wrote: »One thing is pretty clear: The Ebonheart Pact only needs a lock to two bars to own Thornblade, while our enemies need each other to accomplish the same, doing exactly the same things, but presenting it as something different.
FTFY.
As much as I hate gate camping, after the way that EP has ruined Thornblade for so long, this sounds like people taking their sweet revenge. You can argue that nightcapping is a part of the game and that war is 24/7, but to have one faction routinely take everything they lose (the second they have opposition) every single night/morning.. well, I guess your neighbours got tired of your *** and *** you up.
Most factions don't have enough night workers, unemployed, students or weird timezone people to nightcap 365 days a year, if you do it for long enough - expect consequences. (Look, I even gave you a day off on leap years).
And if you cannot see how this is related to the outnumbered comments earlier, you are missing the point. You don't win in primetime, you never have. Being outnumbered refers to the fact that you always cap when everyone else is sleeping, with much higher numbers. You say people should deal with it and organize themselves during nighttime (a common argument), well then you better just deal with this.. right?
Pot, kettle, etc.
there is no lack in the other alliances - these guys are just not painting thorn blue or yellow but haderus, chill and azura...
Are you sure about that? I mean, do you see people online on any of those campaigns at 3-8 AM because I don't?
I know people gate camp and do stupid *** on all alliances, but I don't think any other alliance has people who cap the maps after 3 AM more than occasionally and certainly not daily..? I can't be sure because I am rarely ever online at that time, but the times I've been there is low pop everywhere except EP on thorn.
yes i am
instead of going to bed directly after arriving home after my night shift i loged in for a few minutes
Thursday ~6:30 AM CEST
make out of it what you like
Interesting, didn't look like that on monday morning when I last checked before going to work.. then all campaigns except Thorn was low for everyone. ^^
Obviously it's *** that people sit around on empty campaigns facing no opposition, although I would still be very surprised if all those people combined together would come within half of EPs numbers on Thorn. Sadly I guess we will never know how many people Low/Medium/High/Locked actually means.
Anyway, you could look at it whatever way you want really - EP on Thorn, DC on Chill and AD on Haderus are all equally guilty of rather playing against walls than actual players. For these months that EP have been constantly retaking the map that they lose every single day, they could have also made the choice to go fight actual players.
The whole thing is stupid, obviously there's people to fight but all certain groups in all factions rather PvE.. so the only solution would be to somehow take that option away from them I guess.
well they have - thorn is the only "truly" contested campaign even at off hours going to another server will provide nothing and will reduce the number of enemy players even further.
the numbers at non off hours are thx to the player caps on thorn quite equal. so why should they bother going to another campaign?
while EP players without a bigger pvp guilds as backup have no chance to get any fun with 1-2bars of EP vs poplocked AD+DC tagteaming on eg. chillrend like yesterday evening against EP 90% of the time not bothering eachother as long as EP had their 3 home keeps (my 3 man group were waiting for a thorn invite wich did not happen ´till i had to go to work :P)
That's where you're wrong though, if it had ever been a contested campaign the map would not be red when everyone wakes up. It's a very lame excuse for PvEing the map to be honest. When there's no enemies around most people find some on another campaign, maybe crown emp if you feel that's necessary but capping all the map and all scrolls against minimal resistance (60 vs 5) is completely [self moderated word].
Obviously it makes some people feel like they are superior and "stronk" players for being awake when no one else is, and they should probably seek professional help for that because it doesn't sound healthy.
This is seriously a big issue for PvP and always has been, it's what creates buff campaigns and drives population to go to other servers in the first place. It's such a bad cycle for PvP as every instance of killing campaigns like this just drives more people away.
Everyone could have chosen not to PvD all enemies to the gates every day and we'd have one less issue with PvP.
well you don´t get what i´m saying - thorn is the only contested campaign at night at all, the other campaigns are painted blue or yellow by the same amount of AD & DC players as there are on thorn at those times.
so you can either play 60vs20-30vs20-30 on thorn, or 20vs20vs0 respectively 20vs0vs20 - guess what is more intresting...
personly my solution would be to disable the non thorn campaigns due to off hours forcing those truly PvDing AD and DC to thorn equalizing the numbers on thorn significantly.
This wouldnt be a problem if the campign wasnt laggy as *** and unplayable. People try and spread out to find PvP with a lower latency then 999, and the way most guilds play dont allow for it.:]1 -
Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
What you are basically saying is that all the crying about EP zergs and EP nightcapping wasn't really whining about EP zergs and EP nightcapping, but whining about the lack of people on both AD and DC to do the exact same thing. Now that you do have the people to do the exact same thing, we all see what happens.Lava_Croft wrote: »One thing is pretty clear: The Ebonheart Pact only needs a lock to two bars to own Thornblade, while our enemies need each other to accomplish the same, doing exactly the same things, but presenting it as something different.
FTFY.
As much as I hate gate camping, after the way that EP has ruined Thornblade for so long, this sounds like people taking their sweet revenge. You can argue that nightcapping is a part of the game and that war is 24/7, but to have one faction routinely take everything they lose (the second they have opposition) every single night/morning.. well, I guess your neighbours got tired of your *** and *** you up.
Most factions don't have enough night workers, unemployed, students or weird timezone people to nightcap 365 days a year, if you do it for long enough - expect consequences. (Look, I even gave you a day off on leap years).
And if you cannot see how this is related to the outnumbered comments earlier, you are missing the point. You don't win in primetime, you never have. Being outnumbered refers to the fact that you always cap when everyone else is sleeping, with much higher numbers. You say people should deal with it and organize themselves during nighttime (a common argument), well then you better just deal with this.. right?
Pot, kettle, etc.
there is no lack in the other alliances - these guys are just not painting thorn blue or yellow but haderus, chill and azura...
Are you sure about that? I mean, do you see people online on any of those campaigns at 3-8 AM because I don't?
I know people gate camp and do stupid *** on all alliances, but I don't think any other alliance has people who cap the maps after 3 AM more than occasionally and certainly not daily..? I can't be sure because I am rarely ever online at that time, but the times I've been there is low pop everywhere except EP on thorn.
yes i am
instead of going to bed directly after arriving home after my night shift i loged in for a few minutes
Thursday ~6:30 AM CEST
make out of it what you like
Interesting, didn't look like that on monday morning when I last checked before going to work.. then all campaigns except Thorn was low for everyone. ^^
Obviously it's *** that people sit around on empty campaigns facing no opposition, although I would still be very surprised if all those people combined together would come within half of EPs numbers on Thorn. Sadly I guess we will never know how many people Low/Medium/High/Locked actually means.
Anyway, you could look at it whatever way you want really - EP on Thorn, DC on Chill and AD on Haderus are all equally guilty of rather playing against walls than actual players. For these months that EP have been constantly retaking the map that they lose every single day, they could have also made the choice to go fight actual players.
The whole thing is stupid, obviously there's people to fight but all certain groups in all factions rather PvE.. so the only solution would be to somehow take that option away from them I guess.
well they have - thorn is the only "truly" contested campaign even at off hours going to another server will provide nothing and will reduce the number of enemy players even further.
the numbers at non off hours are thx to the player caps on thorn quite equal. so why should they bother going to another campaign?
while EP players without a bigger pvp guilds as backup have no chance to get any fun with 1-2bars of EP vs poplocked AD+DC tagteaming on eg. chillrend like yesterday evening against EP 90% of the time not bothering eachother as long as EP had their 3 home keeps (my 3 man group were waiting for a thorn invite wich did not happen ´till i had to go to work :P)
That's where you're wrong though, if it had ever been a contested campaign the map would not be red when everyone wakes up. It's a very lame excuse for PvEing the map to be honest. When there's no enemies around most people find some on another campaign, maybe crown emp if you feel that's necessary but capping all the map and all scrolls against minimal resistance (60 vs 5) is completely [self moderated word].
Obviously it makes some people feel like they are superior and "stronk" players for being awake when no one else is, and they should probably seek professional help for that because it doesn't sound healthy.
This is seriously a big issue for PvP and always has been, it's what creates buff campaigns and drives population to go to other servers in the first place. It's such a bad cycle for PvP as every instance of killing campaigns like this just drives more people away.
Everyone could have chosen not to PvD all enemies to the gates every day and we'd have one less issue with PvP.
well you don´t get what i´m saying - thorn is the only contested campaign at night at all, the other campaigns are painted blue or yellow by the same amount of AD & DC players as there are on thorn at those times.
so you can either play 60vs20-30vs20-30 on thorn, or 20vs20vs0 respectively 20vs0vs20 - guess what is more intresting...
personly my solution would be to disable the non thorn campaigns due to off hours forcing those truly PvDing AD and DC to thorn equalizing the numbers on thorn significantly.
This wouldnt be a problem if the campign wasnt laggy as *** and unplayable. People try and spread out to find PvP with a lower latency then 999, and the way most guilds play dont allow for it.
we are not at prime time a campaign containing 60/50/50 players does not lag at all.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
pppontus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
What you are basically saying is that all the crying about EP zergs and EP nightcapping wasn't really whining about EP zergs and EP nightcapping, but whining about the lack of people on both AD and DC to do the exact same thing. Now that you do have the people to do the exact same thing, we all see what happens.Lava_Croft wrote: »One thing is pretty clear: The Ebonheart Pact only needs a lock to two bars to own Thornblade, while our enemies need each other to accomplish the same, doing exactly the same things, but presenting it as something different.
FTFY.
As much as I hate gate camping, after the way that EP has ruined Thornblade for so long, this sounds like people taking their sweet revenge. You can argue that nightcapping is a part of the game and that war is 24/7, but to have one faction routinely take everything they lose (the second they have opposition) every single night/morning.. well, I guess your neighbours got tired of your *** and *** you up.
Most factions don't have enough night workers, unemployed, students or weird timezone people to nightcap 365 days a year, if you do it for long enough - expect consequences. (Look, I even gave you a day off on leap years).
And if you cannot see how this is related to the outnumbered comments earlier, you are missing the point. You don't win in primetime, you never have. Being outnumbered refers to the fact that you always cap when everyone else is sleeping, with much higher numbers. You say people should deal with it and organize themselves during nighttime (a common argument), well then you better just deal with this.. right?
Pot, kettle, etc.
there is no lack in the other alliances - these guys are just not painting thorn blue or yellow but haderus, chill and azura...
Are you sure about that? I mean, do you see people online on any of those campaigns at 3-8 AM because I don't?
I know people gate camp and do stupid *** on all alliances, but I don't think any other alliance has people who cap the maps after 3 AM more than occasionally and certainly not daily..? I can't be sure because I am rarely ever online at that time, but the times I've been there is low pop everywhere except EP on thorn.
yes i am
instead of going to bed directly after arriving home after my night shift i loged in for a few minutes
Thursday ~6:30 AM CEST
make out of it what you like
Interesting, didn't look like that on monday morning when I last checked before going to work.. then all campaigns except Thorn was low for everyone. ^^
Obviously it's *** that people sit around on empty campaigns facing no opposition, although I would still be very surprised if all those people combined together would come within half of EPs numbers on Thorn. Sadly I guess we will never know how many people Low/Medium/High/Locked actually means.
Anyway, you could look at it whatever way you want really - EP on Thorn, DC on Chill and AD on Haderus are all equally guilty of rather playing against walls than actual players. For these months that EP have been constantly retaking the map that they lose every single day, they could have also made the choice to go fight actual players.
The whole thing is stupid, obviously there's people to fight but all certain groups in all factions rather PvE.. so the only solution would be to somehow take that option away from them I guess.
well they have - thorn is the only "truly" contested campaign even at off hours going to another server will provide nothing and will reduce the number of enemy players even further.
the numbers at non off hours are thx to the player caps on thorn quite equal. so why should they bother going to another campaign?
while EP players without a bigger pvp guilds as backup have no chance to get any fun with 1-2bars of EP vs poplocked AD+DC tagteaming on eg. chillrend like yesterday evening against EP 90% of the time not bothering eachother as long as EP had their 3 home keeps (my 3 man group were waiting for a thorn invite wich did not happen ´till i had to go to work :P)
That's where you're wrong though, if it had ever been a contested campaign the map would not be red when everyone wakes up. It's a very lame excuse for PvEing the map to be honest. When there's no enemies around most people find some on another campaign, maybe crown emp if you feel that's necessary but capping all the map and all scrolls against minimal resistance (60 vs 5) is completely [self moderated word].
Obviously it makes some people feel like they are superior and "stronk" players for being awake when no one else is, and they should probably seek professional help for that because it doesn't sound healthy.
This is seriously a big issue for PvP and always has been, it's what creates buff campaigns and drives population to go to other servers in the first place. It's such a bad cycle for PvP as every instance of killing campaigns like this just drives more people away.
Everyone could have chosen not to PvD all enemies to the gates every day and we'd have one less issue with PvP.
well you don´t get what i´m saying - thorn is the only contested campaign at night at all, the other campaigns are painted blue or yellow by the same amount of AD & DC players as there are on thorn at those times.
so you can either play 60vs20-30vs20-30 on thorn, or 20vs20vs0 respectively 20vs0vs20 - guess what is more intresting...
personly my solution would be to disable the non thorn campaigns due to off hours forcing those truly PvDing AD and DC to thorn equalizing the numbers on thorn significantly.
Right, wouldn't it be horrible not to have at minimum 3x the enemies numbers.
And the main point was that if it was truly 60v30v30, that would not end up with EP holding every keep and every scroll on the map. Obviously, that is very far from the truth. A normal weekday how many DC are actually online at 3am on thorn? 4-5?
Edit: Obviously I'm referring to the times when EP did in fact roll their nightsquads and no guild was there to act as resistance. Screenshots of now when exile and others are holding you back 24/7 doesn't really apply here.Edited by pppontus on May 28, 2015 1:54PM1 -
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