Can we have an European Thornblade (EU) topic?

Thudunblundur

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

In case you hadn't noticed, it's advertised as a 30 day campaign, not 25 days of do nothing, get the scores adjusted to make up for the time when you are asleep or doing nothing, noting that the other 2 factions get no protection when they sleep, and then have an extra bonus when you go behind AGAIN and at NO time is it clear that you actually have a lower population.

Don't blame me for the fact that I now regard AD players with suspicion at best - blame Zenimax for the flawed mechanism.

Sigh. Why would you regard AD players with suspicion if you acknowledge it's ZOS' fakup?

Because of the way the mechanism has apparently been abused.

Maulkin

Thudunblundur wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

In case you hadn't noticed, it's advertised as a 30 day campaign, not 25 days of do nothing, get the scores adjusted to make up for the time when you are asleep or doing nothing, noting that the other 2 factions get no protection when they sleep, and then have an extra bonus when you go behind AGAIN and at NO time is it clear that you actually have a lower population.

Don't blame me for the fact that I now regard AD players with suspicion at best - blame Zenimax for the flawed mechanism.

Sigh. Why would you regard AD players with suspicion if you acknowledge it's ZOS' fakup?

Because of the way the mechanism has apparently been abused.

Ah ok, that explains it. You think somehow we found a way to exploit the low pop mechanism and we managed to convince the entire AD population to log on and off at the right times to do so.

Right, gotcha!

Turelus

daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Lol ok be sour instead too tired to care your forgetting the countless nights DC and EP nightcapped

I didn't complain about nightcapping. Everyone does this. I complained about your "sorry" and that you and anybody else knows, you only won this campaign because of this low population bonus. If you were a great and fair player and leader, you have not done this today nightcapping. But you didn't, it's ok for me but don't say "sorry".

I don't think that's true, that only meant they could spend more time away from PVP (which is still an issue). If the bonus had not been there they would have just been more active, done more night caps, OMGSWATRUNBOOMBOOMDEAD everyone more often.

Don't try to say AD only won this with the population bonus, they didn't need it every win on Auriel's Bow and they didn't need it last season.
Yes some of them used it to their advantages and took extra time away as the bonus covered their lack of presence, however they never needed it to win.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

In case you hadn't noticed, it's advertised as a 30 day campaign, not 25 days of do nothing, get the scores adjusted to make up for the time when you are asleep or doing nothing, noting that the other 2 factions get no protection when they sleep, and then have an extra bonus when you go behind AGAIN and at NO time is it clear that you actually have a lower population.

Don't blame me for the fact that I now regard AD players with suspicion at best - blame Zenimax for the flawed mechanism.

Sigh. Why would you regard AD players with suspicion if you acknowledge it's ZOS' fakup?

Because of the way the mechanism has apparently been abused.

Ah ok, that explains it. You think somehow we found a way to exploit the low pop mechanism and we managed to convince the entire AD population to log on and off at the right times to do so.

Right, gotcha!

You joke but that's actually what some people think lol apparently we have 1 guy online and the rest waiting on ts and only log in when we get the buff.

Turelus

To everyone pissed off about the population bonus I would say go and make sure you post your thoughts in these two threads.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/138225/low-population-bonus-issues

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/141430/should-zenimax-removes-low-population-bonus

As many of us have said, this isn't AD's fault. Some of them used it to their advantage yes, but don't paint them all with the same brush.
Take your hatred and rage to the ones who caused this issue and remind ZOS that they system needs to be addressed.

pmn100b16_ESO

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

In case you hadn't noticed, it's advertised as a 30 day campaign, not 25 days of do nothing, get the scores adjusted to make up for the time when you are asleep or doing nothing, noting that the other 2 factions get no protection when they sleep, and then have an extra bonus when you go behind AGAIN and at NO time is it clear that you actually have a lower population.

Don't blame me for the fact that I now regard AD players with suspicion at best - blame Zenimax for the flawed mechanism.

Sigh. Why would you regard AD players with suspicion if you acknowledge it's ZOS' fakup?

Because of the way the mechanism has apparently been abused.

Ah ok, that explains it. You think somehow we found a way to exploit the low pop mechanism and we managed to convince the entire AD population to log on and off at the right times to do so.

Right, gotcha!

I logged in one day to a note on the message board at the home gate. It said:

"If you're reading this, you shouldn't be here, log off"

#ADlowpopabuse

daemonios

I want to thank all my guildies and others in Thornblade EU who fought tirelessly and took us so close to victory, only to lose to a stupid and unfair game mechanic. AD won't be getting any congratulations from me, regardless of any merit from their players. I just can't consider theirs an honest victory. That is all.

Sanct16

I don't want to argue that the low population bonus doesn't suck.

But afterall noone can say how the campaign would have developed. It is very unrealistic to assume everything would have been the same just AD having some k points less. Thats not how such things work. I think AD would have still been toe to toe with blues and reds as they might have pushed each other more than yellows etc.

Thudunblundur

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

In case you hadn't noticed, it's advertised as a 30 day campaign, not 25 days of do nothing, get the scores adjusted to make up for the time when you are asleep or doing nothing, noting that the other 2 factions get no protection when they sleep, and then have an extra bonus when you go behind AGAIN and at NO time is it clear that you actually have a lower population.

Don't blame me for the fact that I now regard AD players with suspicion at best - blame Zenimax for the flawed mechanism.

Sigh. Why would you regard AD players with suspicion if you acknowledge it's ZOS' fakup?

Because of the way the mechanism has apparently been abused.

Ah ok, that explains it. You think somehow we found a way to exploit the low pop mechanism and we managed to convince the entire AD population to log on and off at the right times to do so.

Right, gotcha!

Don't forget that a lot of us watched the populations quite carefully this last campaign. EP were ahead, AD and DC usually the same, but DC almost always went up last and down first. Yet AD got the bonus on two significant occasions, firstly to take them from third place by 3,000 points to a lead of 3,000 points and then when that lead had been overtaken again with about 48 hours to go they get another bonus that gives them a 500 point lead despite not showing for more than a few minutes total as lower population.

In addition, because the numbers required to trigger this mechanism are so low that they don't show on the population bars then then a small group could conceivably manipulate this if they knew enough details. Perhaps 6-12 people could do it.

So either Zenimax have produced a truly appalling mechanism and/or Aldmeri Dominion players have been able to abuse this mechanism. I think we all agree that this is a less than adequate mechanism, but we also know there are gamers who would not hesitate to abuse a mechanism like this and the benefits were very onesided. As a consequence, Aldmeri Dominion players are under suspicion.

edit: typo

Maulkin

Thudunblundur wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

In case you hadn't noticed, it's advertised as a 30 day campaign, not 25 days of do nothing, get the scores adjusted to make up for the time when you are asleep or doing nothing, noting that the other 2 factions get no protection when they sleep, and then have an extra bonus when you go behind AGAIN and at NO time is it clear that you actually have a lower population.

Don't blame me for the fact that I now regard AD players with suspicion at best - blame Zenimax for the flawed mechanism.

Sigh. Why would you regard AD players with suspicion if you acknowledge it's ZOS' fakup?

Because of the way the mechanism has apparently been abused.

Ah ok, that explains it. You think somehow we found a way to exploit the low pop mechanism and we managed to convince the entire AD population to log on and off at the right times to do so.

Right, gotcha!

Don't forget that a lot of us watched the populations quite carefully this last campaign. EP were ahead, AD and DC usually the same, but DC almost always went up last and down first. Yet AD got the bonus on two significant occasions, firstly to take them from third place by 3,000 points to a lead of 3,000 points and then when that lead had been overtaken again with about 48 hours to go they get another bonus that gives them a 500 point lead despite not showing for more than a few minutes total as lower population.

In addition, because the numbers required to trigger this mechanism are so low that they don't show on the population bars then then a small group could conceivably manipulate this if they knew enough details. Perhaps 6-12 people could do it.

So either Zenimax have produced a truly appalling mechanism and/or Aldmeri Dominion players have been able to abuse this mechanism. I think we all agree that this is a less than adequate mechanism, but we also know there are gamers who would not hesitate to abuse a mechanism like this and the benefits were very onesided. As a consequence, Aldmeri Dominion players are under suspicion.

edit: typo

Lol. Ok, sure

Thudunblundur

Shrug. Don't blame me - I didn't create this situation.

Maulkin

Thudunblundur wrote: »

Shrug. Don't blame me - I didn't create this situation.

I'm not blaming you, I'm just laughing at your paranoia as I didn't create it either.

lath

I'm not entirely sure what this is all about so I'll just ignore the previous posts and say:

GG everyone. Thanks for the great campaign and hope to see you in the next one.

Lathawra

Oswolf

Congratulation to AD for this victory. Nice organization and wise use of your camps stock. (Please tell me you are out of camps).

I can of course understand the reaction of many DC players who have fought hard for 30 days and can't counter a final AD rush in the last 4 days because of this impredictable low pop bonus. I must admit that I'm frustrated too, but let's see the positive side, we have shared so many good moments and our second place is maybe more glorious than their first place :P

Like Turelus, I encourage all players to put the pressure on ZOS to change this low pop bonus. Good luck for the next round!

Maulkin

Oswolf wrote: »

Congratulation to AD for this victory. Nice organization and wise use of your camps stock. (Please tell me you are out of camps).

I can go another two campaigns like this XD

Oswolf wrote: »

I can of course understand the reaction of many DC players who have fought hard for 30 days and can't counter a final AD rush in the last 4 days because of this impredictable low pop bonus. I must admit that I'm frustrated too, but let's see the positive side, we have shared so many good moments and our second place is maybe more glorious than their first place :P

Like Turelus, I encourage all players to put the pressure on ZOS to change this low pop bonus. Good luck for the next round!

We feel your frustration. We're also petitioning for this bonus to go, via your thread no less.

PS. You need to bring your bum to some duels I want a mano-a-mano :P

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Oswolf wrote: »

Congratulation to AD for this victory. Nice organization and wise use of your camps stock. (Please tell me you are out of camps).

I can of course understand the reaction of many DC players who have fought hard for 30 days and can't counter a final AD rush in the last 4 days because of this impredictable low pop bonus. I must admit that I'm frustrated too, but let's see the positive side, we have shared so many good moments and our second place is maybe more glorious than their first place :P

Like Turelus, I encourage all players to put the pressure on ZOS to change this low pop bonus. Good luck for the next round!

Thanks Oswolf you should be proud of yourself you put up a good fight vs us, had me worried.

Mike - We can probs go another 10 + campaigns like this XD got AD covered

Sanct16

Stop arguing.

#GoldenAlliance > #PurpleAlliance
Nuff said.

Sanct16

I didnt have this much fun in pvp since 1.5 as I had tonight. Everyone working together in order to win the campaign was awesome and blues did an awesome job holding against us.

Thudunblundur

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

Shrug. Don't blame me - I didn't create this situation.

I'm not blaming you, I'm just laughing at your paranoia as I didn't create it either.

Suspicion and paranoia are not the same. You are starting to duck and weave a bit. I think you see perfectly well where I am coming from. I will leave this now as I see no good coming from it and I have made those responsible as aware as I can how many feel about this.

DaggerfallTradeMasters

Some nice fights today at Nikels i loved it
I saw EVO Also there lots of times killing the AD who were coming to ASH.

Lava_Croft

A shout out to all the people lagging the *** out at Bleakers tonight. I hope it was as awful for you as it was for me.

heng14rwb17_ESO

AD won cos we have a super efficient team who can beat 1vs2.
This is acknowledge by ESO dev who give us a low population bonus.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD won cos we have a super efficient team who can beat 1vs2.
This is acknowledge by ESO dev who give us a low population bonus.

do u have special clothing made with bigger neck hole?

DaggerfallTradeMasters

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD won cos we have a super efficient team who can beat 1vs2.
This is acknowledge by ESO dev who give us a low population bonus.

I dont think you are talking about Nikels at wednessday?
When i was on from 8PM until 10PM you were getting farmed.

AbraXuSeXile

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD won cos we have a super efficient team who can beat 1vs2.
This is acknowledge by ESO dev who give us a low population bonus.

I think i urinated a little in my pants

B11zzard

Hi. Can anybody post screenshot with points exactly before campaing's end (or evening situation's if you have)? Thanks.

Maulkin

B11zzard wrote: »

Hi. Can anybody post screenshot with points exactly before campaing's end (or evening situation's if you have)? Thanks.

I can't find the original but this is the "stylized" version from our forums ^_^



For the record, when the scores started flipping and the remaining DC realised the situation was not salvageable they gave up. AD proceeded to clean up and that's why you see that huge disparity in points scored for the last hour.

Lettigall

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

B11zzard wrote: »

Hi. Can anybody post screenshot with points exactly before campaing's end (or evening situation's if you have)? Thanks.

I can't find the original but this is the "stylized" version from our forums ^_^



For the record, when the scores started flipping and the remaining DC realised the situation was not salvageable they gave up. AD proceeded to clean up and that's why you see that huge disparity in points scored for the last hour.

Take away AD ~7k bonus points and you see real winner! Congrats DC you were the best this campaign!

Maulkin

Lettigall wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

B11zzard wrote: »

Hi. Can anybody post screenshot with points exactly before campaing's end (or evening situation's if you have)? Thanks.

I can't find the original but this is the "stylized" version from our forums ^_^



For the record, when the scores started flipping and the remaining DC realised the situation was not salvageable they gave up. AD proceeded to clean up and that's why you see that huge disparity in points scored for the last hour.

Take away AD ~7k bonus points and you see real winner! Congrats DC you were the best this campaign!

I don't know about that, there's no knowing what would have happened without the bonuses.

That said DC certainly fought extremely valiantly under unfair treatment from ZOS and for that they gained both our sympathy and mostly our respect

Lava_Croft

You guys actually created an edited 'Victory' image for a campaign you won due to problems concerning scoring.

Bananas are cute.