Can we have an European Thornblade (EU) topic?

AbraXuSeXile

It's gonna be a close one....

Lava_Croft

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

It's gonna be a close one....

Choo Choo!

Thudunblundur

minus the 7,000+ AD bonus points, of course - for those who know

Thudunblundur

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Thudunblundur wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

I don't blame AD players either, although I feel there's been some exploiting of the system going on, seeing as AD mysteriously disappears into other campaigns and returns to Thornblade EU to do night caps IN ADDITION to getting +400 bonus per hour...

The only thing I can say is I'm tired and I don't feel the campaign reflects what went on for the past 30 days. I'll still try to revert the situation however I can, but I'm seriously frustrated at having to fight for each and every point in the score while another faction had maybe 6000 points (underestimated?) handed to them on a platter.

Having discovered that AD scored nearly 900 last night through a low pop bonus and yet again DC were lowest pop all day when anyone was (EP was a bar ahead as usual) let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if it were later to come out that some rotten eggs did manipulate this mechanism intentionally. Most AD wouldn't and certainly most of those that post here. But a thread was recently closed...I wouldn't be surprised if someone of that type was stupid enough to think he was being very clever.

AD are about 500 ahead of DC at present...

DCs actually had about as many as AD imo just most of you were sitting on the scroll rather than achieving anything as proved when Anaire and I ran into the scroll area and then afk'd for 10m or so on returning people were still camping the scroll area (smart thing to do) because they had seen us run in not to mention the 10+ at the gate.

Also i'm aware that people have been whispered saying certain groups are exploiting the bonus system by all logging out until the bonus comes online, none of the groups I run with and im sure not KoCyro are doing this as you will see by the fact we are pvping all the evening and most of the night the bonus actually only came in by the sounds of it when most of us logged off for the night leaving DC's online to recap the scrolls.

No-one can look at the timing of that bonus and say it doesn't look suspicious, when DC are lower population generally in this campaign and don't get a bonus. EP are usually a bar ahead, DC and AD mostly level except AD almost always moves up first and down last. It doesn't feel like a level playing field to the tune of 7,000+ points. Expect no congratulations from me. You haven't earned them.

Aranita

Turelus wrote: »

THORNEBLADE END OF CAMPAIGN PARTY!

After this campaign I surely will not join a party with bananas.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Sleeping now, thanks for an enjoyable campaign, sorry about the Low pop bugs from ZOS but i promise it wasn't something we manipulated.

Neryaz

This is complet rubbish...

sphane

Just had a look to the map. Ending with a final night capping run... So pathetic. Complete ZOS failure. So you can have stupid bonus and just do a final night cap to win. Congrate ZOS. If this bonus was created to compensate night capping encountered in the first month, this is a double failure.

And Bananas who were part of this : you are not credible anymore...

Spangla

ad need to be demoted to third to be honest.

belugian

Was very hard ! at three in the morning we thought we would not make it. DC players fought like lions !

Aranita

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Sleeping now, thanks for an enjoyable campaign, sorry about the Low pop bugs from ZOS but i promise it wasn't something we manipulated.

If you had taken it seriously you wouldn't have done night capping today.

Koma Vicici

ZOS good job on this campaign... thanks for failed population bonuses.
it sucks really hard btw.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Lol ok be sour instead too tired to care your forgetting the countless nights DC and EP nightcapped and also those who stayed up to fight us (you had a train almost the same size as us even if it looked like we had more) we actually had 6 guilds all contributing members to ours, can you say you had that much coordination with other guilds on your side?

I really understand why you are annoyed but sometimes games are bugged doesn't take away from effort all 3 factions put in

WolfingHour

This is a horrible state of affairs.

The playful banter and jabs in this thread are increasingly turning into bitterness, aimed mainly towards a whole faction. Not to mention that it is tremendously unfair for two other factions.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ please address this issue. You have said in the past that the system is working as intended. However true that may be, it's clearly not enough anymore. Its either in fact being exploited or no longer fit for purpose so we need some clarification on what is happening.

My proposal is to just scrap it. If players can or are willing to night cap then let them. Their extra efforts need to be rewarded and if the other factions are upset by it then organize to do the same. We have 30 days to turn the tide which is ample time in my opinion to do so.

Your customers are lashing out against each other here and it is your responsibility.

A concerned AD cat,
Joh'Rak

TL;DR
This is not working. @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ please help. Two alliances shafted. Players at each others throats. Clarify or remove the low population bonus. A concerned cat.

Maulkin

daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Sleeping now, thanks for an enjoyable campaign, sorry about the Low pop bugs from ZOS but i promise it wasn't something we manipulated.

If you had taken it seriously you wouldn't have done night capping today.

Well next time, send us a mail with your playing hrs so we know we can only play when you do. C'mon. We didn't just nightcap. We didn't sleep all day so we could come on at night. We were there all evening long. I put 10 hours of gaming yesterday after work.

That's how these games tend to work. The one(s) who put the most hours in, win. You must know this by now.

EP took both DC scrolls last night and we lost a scroll to DC during the day because most have other commitments and can't play. I didn't see anyone return the scrolls out of courtesy and neither would I expect you to. And if you didn't expect an all nighter on the last night of the campaign then you were probably the only one.

But as izanagi said, the low-cap bonuses were crap and we never asked for any of it. Just look at the what we've been saying in this thread all along.We'd like to celebrate a win, but in reflection of what happened our joy is muted.

I'd like to to say well played to reds and blues who pushed us all the way, particularly the latter. For braxy's team, oswolf's team and the other DC crews who really went for it this time, I have nothing but respect and I feel their pain about the pop bonuses though it's not much of a consolation at this point, I know. Also to Nessi's and Torsten's (wabba) team, you gave us hell.

To the AD guilds that pulled together last evening/night (you know who you are) and moreso to every zone chat banana who joined our efforts or did their bit by fighting or scouting, I say a very sincere thank you and more of the same please :')

Love & Hugs all around.

Koensol

Koma Vicici wrote: »

ZOS good job on this campaign... thanks for failed population bonuses.
it sucks really hard btw.

This basically.. this broken mess combined with the insane lag is making me consider not playing PvP anymore at all.

Turelus

Congratulations to the AD for the win. The low population bonus is going to make this one a bitter one to accept however there are those of you who played throughout and battled hard.

I really wanted to see DC take this one (if EP couldn't) as they battled damn hard all month and deserved a win for once.

daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Sleeping now, thanks for an enjoyable campaign, sorry about the Low pop bugs from ZOS but i promise it wasn't something we manipulated.

If you had taken it seriously you wouldn't have done night capping today.

The counter to that might actually be if the other factions had taken it seriously, we would have organised to be online at that time. I know the EP basically gave up around 20:00 and everyone started leaving the campaign in mass.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Sleeping now, thanks for an enjoyable campaign, sorry about the Low pop bugs from ZOS but i promise it wasn't something we manipulated.

If you had taken it seriously you wouldn't have done night capping today.

To the AD guilds that pulled together last evening/night (you know who you are) and moreso to every zone chat banana who joined our efforts or did their bit by fighting or scouting, I say a very sincere thank you and more of the same please :')

Love & Hugs all around.

Na everyone will go back to hating each other until 1 week to go :P

Xupacabra

We won!
Why are you reds and blues anoyed? Yesterday we didnt let you play pve in Cyrodiil? like all other late nights you come and play agains npcs to capture all keeps!

Maulkin

Turelus wrote: »

Congratulations to the AD for the win. The low population bonus is going to make this one a bitter one to accept however there are those of you who played throughout and battled hard.

I really wanted to see DC take this one (if EP couldn't) as they battled damn hard all month and deserved a win for once.

daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Sleeping now, thanks for an enjoyable campaign, sorry about the Low pop bugs from ZOS but i promise it wasn't something we manipulated.

If you had taken it seriously you wouldn't have done night capping today.

The counter to that might actually be if the other factions had taken it seriously, we would have organised to be online at that time. I know the EP basically gave up around 20:00 and everyone started leaving the campaign in mass.

Well said man. I'm still waiting for a campaign that is not ruined by technical issues like lag and scrollbacks or these pop bonuses.

One can only hope they can deliver soon before we all get bored of waiting and Cyrodiil turns into a ghost town.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

Congratulations to the AD for the win. The low population bonus is going to make this one a bitter one to accept however there are those of you who played throughout and battled hard.

I really wanted to see DC take this one (if EP couldn't) as they battled damn hard all month and deserved a win for once.

daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Sleeping now, thanks for an enjoyable campaign, sorry about the Low pop bugs from ZOS but i promise it wasn't something we manipulated.

If you had taken it seriously you wouldn't have done night capping today.

The counter to that might actually be if the other factions had taken it seriously, we would have organised to be online at that time. I know the EP basically gave up around 20:00 and everyone started leaving the campaign in mass.

Cheers Like I said I still think you could have got 2nd if you pushed blues instead of us but it went the way it went. Certainly made it interesting (more stressful for me trying to lead ) with so many keeps under attack during the day and earlier night. When I logged we had left reds alone other than Sej and Drake unfortunately you didn't have enough points to take 2nd anyway at that time :<

Maulkin

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Sleeping now, thanks for an enjoyable campaign, sorry about the Low pop bugs from ZOS but i promise it wasn't something we manipulated.

If you had taken it seriously you wouldn't have done night capping today.

To the AD guilds that pulled together last evening/night (you know who you are) and moreso to every zone chat banana who joined our efforts or did their bit by fighting or scouting, I say a very sincere thank you and more of the same please :')

Love & Hugs all around.

Na everyone will go back to hating each other until 1 week to go :P

Oh that's an absolute certainty

It's such a shame isn't it. Cause when we work together we're such a force.

Juraigr

Aahh what blues had it this time izanagi u haxor

Thudunblundur

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Sleeping now, thanks for an enjoyable campaign, sorry about the Low pop bugs from ZOS but i promise it wasn't something we manipulated.

If you had taken it seriously you wouldn't have done night capping today.

Well next time, send us a mail with your playing hrs so we know we can only play when you do. C'mon. We didn't just nightcap. We didn't sleep all day so we could come on at night. We were there all evening long. I put 10 hours of gaming yesterday after work.

That's how these games tend to work. The one(s) who put the most hours in, win. You must know this by now.

EP took both DC scrolls last night and we lost a scroll to DC during the day because most have other commitments and can't play. I didn't see anyone return the scrolls out of courtesy and neither would I expect you to. And if you didn't expect an all nighter on the last night of the campaign then you were probably the only one.

But as izanagi said, the low-cap bonuses were crap and we never asked for any of it. Just look at the what we've been saying in this thread all along.We'd like to celebrate a win, but in reflection of what happened our joy is muted.

I'd like to to say well played to reds and blues who pushed us all the way, particularly the latter. For braxy's team, oswolf's team and the other DC crews who really went for it this time, I have nothing but respect and I feel their pain about the pop bonuses though it's not much of a consolation at this point, I know. Also to Nessi's and Torsten's (wabba) team, you gave us hell.

To the AD guilds that pulled together last evening/night (you know who you are) and moreso to every zone chat banana who joined our efforts or did their bit by fighting or scouting, I say a very sincere thank you and more of the same please :')

Love & Hugs all around.

In case you hadn't noticed, it's advertised as a 30 day campaign, not 25 days of do nothing, get the scores adjusted to make up for the time when you are asleep or doing nothing, noting that the other 2 factions get no protection when they sleep, and then have an extra bonus when you go behind AGAIN and at NO time is it clear that you actually have a lower population.

Don't blame me for the fact that I now regard AD players with suspicion at best - blame Zenimax for the flawed mechanism.

Maulkin

Xupacabra wrote: »

We won!
Why are you reds and blues anoyed? Yesterday we didnt let you play pve in Cyrodiil? like all other late nights you come and play agains npcs to capture all keeps!

Everyone did some night-capping at some point of this campaign. I don't think one faction did it more than others and I don't think we have more of a moral high ground than DC or EP.

So let's keep it civil please and stay humble in victory, no need to goad or provoke a reaction.

Turelus

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Cheers Like I said I still think you could have got 2nd if you pushed blues instead of us but it went the way it went. Certainly made it interesting (more stressful for me trying to lead ) with so many keeps under attack during the day and earlier night. When I logged we had left reds alone other than Sej and Drake unfortunately you didn't have enough points to take 2nd anyway at that time :<

To explain the plan from Wabbajack's side it was something like this.

2nd to last night we planned to get as many points from DC as possible and night cap the map for a few hours to gain as many points there as we could.

Last night was kind of a mess on our part, we spent too long a time focusing on the campaign win rather than accepting that while viable points/time wise it wasn't viable in practice vs the enemies online.
We came to realise that too late and started pushing for the second place victory, our plan was "If AD own nothing, we will overtake them just after DC do." however we should have expected AD to be ready for a late night and early morning fight in numbers.

It's been a messy campaign for us this one, our main alliance broke apart leaving a rift in contact between raids, we've had lower activity in PVP due to the PVE daily quests then a lot of people walking away due to this low population mechanic.

I don't use the above as excuses, the winners were those who played the best when it mattered* I just wanted to give some insight into our issues for the factions who don't see behind the gate.

* It's my personal belief that without the low population bonus AD still would have won this campaign. Low population just meant they didn't need to organise as early or for as long. It's still a horrible mechanic where they don't have to fight as hard all month, but I fully believe they would have if the bonus didn't exist.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Juraigr wrote: »

Aahh what blues had it this time izanagi u haxor

Sorry I'll contact ZOS and disband the #GoldenAlliance

Maulkin

Thudunblundur wrote: »

In case you hadn't noticed, it's advertised as a 30 day campaign, not 25 days of do nothing, get the scores adjusted to make up for the time when you are asleep or doing nothing, noting that the other 2 factions get no protection when they sleep, and then have an extra bonus when you go behind AGAIN and at NO time is it clear that you actually have a lower population.

Don't blame me for the fact that I now regard AD players with suspicion at best - blame Zenimax for the flawed mechanism.

Sigh. Why would you regard AD players with suspicion if you acknowledge it's ZOS' fakup?

Aranita

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Lol ok be sour instead too tired to care your forgetting the countless nights DC and EP nightcapped

I didn't complain about nightcapping. Everyone does this. I complained about your "sorry" and that you and anybody else knows, you only won this campaign because of this low population bonus. If you were a great and fair player and leader, you have not done this today nightcapping. But you didn't, it's ok for me but don't say "sorry".

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

daoc.cyrrob16_ESO wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Lol ok be sour instead too tired to care your forgetting the countless nights DC and EP nightcapped

I didn't complain about nightcapping. I complained about your "sorry" and that you and anybody else knows, you only won this campaign because of this low population bonus. If you were a great leader, you have not done this today nightcapping. But you didn't, it's ok for me but don't say "sorry".

You expect me to sitback and let my faction lose because we should be ashamed that ZOS introduced a bug which favored us? I was saying sorry because I'm sad that it happened this way but we still earned our victory yesterday.