ZoS, when will you back out the Night Silence/Dark Stalker nerf?

EQBallzz

Yusuf wrote: »

did not agree, it's illogical that anybody is able to sneak that fast.
Just hope that rapid maneuver and speedpotions will still stack and be satisfied with it.

Also, 90% will unsubscribe? boohoo

So it's not logical that a *vampire* which by definition has supernatural powers stacks with a set that has inherent sneak speed but it is perfectly logical that some PvP ability and a potion does stack? Or concealed weapon and anything else stacks? That's some interesting and selective logic you have there.

I guess it's also illogical that werewolves should be able to jump that far when others can't jump anywhere near that far..oh wait..they are WEREWOLVES and have supernatural powers!

In actuality I think it's more than logical that a vampire who also forgoes other set bonuses for a speed based set has out of the ordinary speed. That makes perfect logical sense.

Sasky

EQBallzz wrote: »

So it's not logical that a *vampire* which by definition has supernatural powers stacks with a set that has inherent sneak speed but it is perfectly logical that some PvP ability and a potion does stack? Or concealed weapon and anything else stacks? That's some interesting and selective logic you have there.

It is logical if you consider the bonus from each as removing the speed penalty from being in stealth. You can't remove a penalty twice.
It isn't logical that your character would become slower when pops up out of stealth. "I'm taking extra care to not be spotted, so I end up going faster."

And if you're going to look at vampire lore, how about a straight-up DoT for being in the sun like every other TES game? That'd be a ridiculous negative. Some things need to be subject to balancing because it's an MMO.

Samadhi

Sasky wrote: »

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It is logical if you consider the bonus from each as removing the speed penalty from being in stealth. You can't remove a penalty twice.
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That's not how the bonuses calculate though.
Vampire negates the Sneak speed penalty. Night's Silence increases Sneak speed.
Night's Silence was never about reducing Sneak speed penalty.

Bushrat

Morticielle wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Since we have all agreed that this nerf is unneeded and will cause the failure of ESO due to 90% of the player-base unsubscribing if it goes live, I was curious to know when you will back out/revert this nerf?

Thanks.

If whiners and threatening emos like you would leave TESO, it would actually be a good thing. So I wish you godspeed and don't let the door hit you on your way out.

@Zenimax: Good nerf! Running faster than a racing horse while being in stealth is totally ridiculous - and so are people who cry about this nerf!

According to your tag line you have cancelled your subscription. Is this correct? If so why are you still commenting on the game if you have cancelled your subscription?

Xanthro

Sasky wrote: »

It is logical if you consider the bonus from each as removing the speed penalty from being in stealth. You can't remove a penalty twice.

Night Silence doesn't remove the speed penalty, it increases sneak speed. It's right there on the tooltip.
Being a vampire with dark stalker and wearing Shadow Dancer 5 piece set is redundant. Being a vampire with Night Silent 5 piece set is moving faster.
You just want to pretend that the 5 piece bonus on the two sets are the same. They are not. If they were the same, I wouldn't have bothered crafting Night Silence because it would be useless.
You want to make a set useless after the fact.

Sasky wrote: »

It isn't logical that your character would become slower when pops up out of stealth. "I'm taking extra care to not be spotted, so I end up going faster."

Sure it is. As a vampire in stealth, you enter another dimension where you can move even more quickly than sprinting, but if you get detected in any way, it knocks you out of that dimension and now you are just stuck wearing armor where the 5 piece set bonus does nothing for you.

Sasky wrote: »

And if you're going to look at vampire lore, how about a straight-up DoT for being in the sun like every other TES game? That'd be a ridiculous negative. Some things need to be subject to balancing because it's an MMO.

And one of the reasons why Night Silence's only works while hidden is that getting out of combat and into a hidden status takes time. Often I can spend many minutes wearing a set that does nothing. If I can't get hidden, I can't chase people down with the set. Because it requires hidden, I can't run a scroll with the set bonus. There are lots of negatives associated with the hidden requirement that balance out the speed.

Xanthro

Bushrat wrote: »

Morticielle wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Since we have all agreed that this nerf is unneeded and will cause the failure of ESO due to 90% of the player-base unsubscribing if it goes live, I was curious to know when you will back out/revert this nerf?

Thanks.

If whiners and threatening emos like you would leave TESO, it would actually be a good thing. So I wish you godspeed and don't let the door hit you on your way out.

@Zenimax: Good nerf! Running faster than a racing horse while being in stealth is totally ridiculous - and so are people who cry about this nerf!

According to your tag line you have cancelled your subscription. Is this correct? If so why are you still commenting on the game if you have cancelled your subscription?

Because many people pay by quarterly subscription, so even if you cancel you may have up to three months of time paid for. When you cancel, you don't get a refund for unused time.

ThisOnePosts

Xanthro wrote: »

Bushrat wrote: »

Morticielle wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Since we have all agreed that this nerf is unneeded and will cause the failure of ESO due to 90% of the player-base unsubscribing if it goes live, I was curious to know when you will back out/revert this nerf?

Thanks.

If whiners and threatening emos like you would leave TESO, it would actually be a good thing. So I wish you godspeed and don't let the door hit you on your way out.

@Zenimax: Good nerf! Running faster than a racing horse while being in stealth is totally ridiculous - and so are people who cry about this nerf!

According to your tag line you have cancelled your subscription. Is this correct? If so why are you still commenting on the game if you have cancelled your subscription?

Because many people pay by quarterly subscription, so even if you cancel you may have up to three months of time paid for. When you cancel, you don't get a refund for unused time.

Not true. You can get a refund from customer support via a ticket. I decided I wanted a refund of my 6 month back and changed to a 1 month instead because I want to see if all of this nonsense is going to be the focus of their updates as opposed to fixing things that were supposedly fixed in almost every patch yet never are.

Do I see myself playing this game over the long haul? Sure. Do I believe their devs minds are focused on where the player's hearts are? Not at the moment although I think their intentions are good, they need to stop for a minute and go through these forums for themselves, not send others to do it for them.

Funcom's devs actively participate on their forums and also communicate with the playerbase. They have the absolute best approach out of any game I know when it comes to interacting with the community. I practically threw money at them just because of such great communication. ZOS is sitting on a Gold Mine, some actual chimes in from Devs a few times per week on threads and major topics would go a very, very, VERY long way.

hamon

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Xanthro wrote: »

Bushrat wrote: »

Morticielle wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Since we have all agreed that this nerf is unneeded and will cause the failure of ESO due to 90% of the player-base unsubscribing if it goes live, I was curious to know when you will back out/revert this nerf?

Thanks.

If whiners and threatening emos like you would leave TESO, it would actually be a good thing. So I wish you godspeed and don't let the door hit you on your way out.

@Zenimax: Good nerf! Running faster than a racing horse while being in stealth is totally ridiculous - and so are people who cry about this nerf!

According to your tag line you have cancelled your subscription. Is this correct? If so why are you still commenting on the game if you have cancelled your subscription?

Because many people pay by quarterly subscription, so even if you cancel you may have up to three months of time paid for. When you cancel, you don't get a refund for unused time.

Not true. You can get a refund from customer support via a ticket. I decided I wanted a refund of my 6 month back and changed to a 1 month instead because I want to see if all of this nonsense is going to be the focus of their updates as opposed to fixing things that were supposedly fixed in almost every patch yet never are.

Do I see myself playing this game over the long haul? Sure. Do I believe their devs minds are focused on where the player's hearts are? Not at the moment although I think their intentions are good, they need to stop for a minute and go through these forums for themselves, not send others to do it for them.

Funcom's devs actively participate on their forums and also communicate with the playerbase. They have the absolute best approach out of any game I know when it comes to interacting with the community. I practically threw money at them just because of such great communication. ZOS is sitting on a Gold Mine, some actual chimes in from Devs a few times per week on threads and major topics would go a very, very, VERY long way.

agree i think the biggest failing of this game bar none (and theres stiff competition)

is the sheer arrogance and ignorance of the devs. they assume at every juncture that they know best and refuse point blank to come and speak to their customers. they have CM's who are there as a middle man and usually do nothing more than create a chinese whispers effect.
somewhere between what the players ( customers ) want and the message that gets to the devs gets distorted (if it even gets there). then the response from the devs is non existant.

if they continue to assume they know better than those who play the game and deem us unworthy of their time to communicate ideas and answers. they will be the architect of their own demise, and it should serve as a lesson to devs in other companies of how not to run a game.

dale_forrestb16_ESO

I've decided to quit the game since the Vampire trait line has barely any benefit to me aside from the speed. I've wanted to play as a Vamp NB since day one and this is

EQBallzz wrote: »

Yusuf wrote: »

did not agree, it's illogical that anybody is able to sneak that fast.
Just hope that rapid maneuver and speedpotions will still stack and be satisfied with it.

Also, 90% will unsubscribe? boohoo

So it's not logical that a *vampire* which by definition has supernatural powers stacks with a set that has inherent sneak speed but it is perfectly logical that some PvP ability and a potion does stack? Or concealed weapon and anything else stacks? That's some interesting and selective logic you have there.

I guess it's also illogical that werewolves should be able to jump that far when others can't jump anywhere near that far..oh wait..they are WEREWOLVES and have supernatural powers!

In actuality I think it's more than logical that a vampire who also forgoes other set bonuses for a speed based set has out of the ordinary speed. That makes perfect logical sense.

Yes, that is how I feel about it personally too and I am particularly annoyed about the fact that I set I spent a lot of time and gold on to craft is going to be useless.

I've mostly decided to quit the game since the Vampire trait line has barely any benefit to me aside from the speed. I've wanted to play as a Vamp NB since day one and this is the end for me. I don't believe that this was an unintended stacking since anyone playing a NB BEFORE the patch was released basically realized what the stacking would mean. Also, thanks to the posters a few back who explained the difference between removing the sneak penalty and faster sneak speed - for those who did not understand.

Additionally, I feel that this game has turned into a game of nerfing as opposed to balancing so I don't feel like leveling any of my other characters and spending any more time on them only to have them nerfed.

PS: to get a refund on a quarterly subscription do I have to log the ticket in game?

indigoblades

how is 0.4 stealth + 0.6 nb or vamp buff + 0.6 night seducer = 1.6 unintended ???????????????? 60% sneak buff

if u have both vamp or stam buffs 120% for weak class.

I am more WORRIED if Zos DOESNT KNOW WHICH BUFFS INCREASE/DECREASE speed so they get unintended results ... if they cant figure this one out, how in bleep is there a hope they will ever get there design goals with complex stacking like crit damage, magic regenration, spell resistance, ultimate reductions, aoe stacking, heatlh recovered from damage are among a few of the more complex things they need to prevent unintended stacking.

Also this exact question about sneak speed stacking was asked in PTS 1.3 and Zos said it was intended.


....Any way, if this is unintended or they admit they out of blue changed design direction they need to reconsider how much Magicka regin stacks, i can cast any spell endless except bolt escape ( and thats only because the cost doubles and my magic stops regeration for 4 sec). Anyone wearing light armor can. Of all the unbalance things in ESO out of combat SNEAK SPEAD is what they spend there resources on. Most off hearsay in forums comments too, not actual speed test.

The only class i can even imagine it benefiting is stamina night blades. And most unbalanced post are from stamina nightblades who wants to stay stamina based, not wear light armor and staff ...

So why change it. Its fun, helps a weak class and was a the intending result. I reiterate it had to be intended because surely Zos can add up a few speed perks .... 1 or 2 Nightblade perks ... one vampire perk and one armor perk .... to say this is unintended is ridiculous.

indigoblades

dale_forrestb16_ESO wrote: »

I've decided to quit the game since the Vampire trait line has barely any benefit to me aside from the speed. I've wanted to play as a Vamp NB since day one and this is

EQBallzz wrote: »

Yusuf wrote: »

did not agree, it's illogical that anybody is able to sneak that fast.
Just hope that rapid maneuver and speedpotions will still stack and be satisfied with it.

Also, 90% will unsubscribe? boohoo

So it's not logical that a *vampire* which by definition has supernatural powers stacks with a set that has inherent sneak speed but it is perfectly logical that some PvP ability and a potion does stack? Or concealed weapon and anything else stacks? That's some interesting and selective logic you have there.

I guess it's also illogical that werewolves should be able to jump that far when others can't jump anywhere near that far..oh wait..they are WEREWOLVES and have supernatural powers!

In actuality I think it's more than logical that a vampire who also forgoes other set bonuses for a speed based set has out of the ordinary speed. That makes perfect logical sense.

Yes, that is how I feel about it personally too and I am particularly annoyed about the fact that I set I spent a lot of time and gold on to craft is going to be useless.

I've mostly decided to quit the game since the Vampire trait line has barely any benefit to me aside from the speed. I've wanted to play as a Vamp NB since day one and this is the end for me. I don't believe that this was an unintended stacking since anyone playing a NB BEFORE the patch was released basically realized what the stacking would mean. Also, thanks to the posters a few back who explained the difference between removing the sneak penalty and faster sneak speed - for those who did not understand.

Additionally, I feel that this game has turned into a game of nerfing as opposed to balancing so I don't feel like leveling any of my other characters and spending any more time on them only to have them nerfed.

PS: to get a refund on a quarterly subscription do I have to log the ticket in game?

ok i am vamp/sorc .... i also have a DK, vamp/nb, normal NB, sorc and templar, so i know how u must feel. In beta i made a nb and sorc .... i was 50/50 when i choose the sorc, but i could easily be in ur shoes.

Hope u stay, but i feel more so every day ZOS has no clue what game they created and just have a morning meeting, ask whats the hot in the forems today & decide what they are gonna nerf this week. Still hope u stay and waste ur money like me in the hope they wake up one day. Whether i get sneak speed bonus or not doesnt matter to me. Its a toy but a fun toy. What does bug me, is the lack of consistency in this game. I started another thread should they even release 1.4 or just wait until they can do it right. Pretty disappointed and if 1.4 screws up my addons again maybe the straw that breaks the camels back.

indigoblades

oren74 wrote: »

I use these abilities...and it's overpowered big time. I just want to know if Dark Stalker will even stack with Concealed Weapon

You really need to site proof it is OP, most any horse sprints faster ... bolt escape is faster ........ How is moderately fast sneak speed out of combat balanced with thowing away 5 of 8 crafted trait matches OP. My slow $1 imperial, who cant keep up with the avg horse in pvp. whome has 20 in carry and only 15% + 30% = 45% speed is faster than me in super sneak as vamp/sorc. 42K horses start 25% speed so so my horse is slow, with max horses at 75% percent.

Just tested & my slow horse infinitely sprints around outer side walk of riften in 34 sec ... i can sneak run it 37 sec but not indefinitely.

Maybe i if was also a NB the extra buff would be faster than my slow horse, but according to 9 out 10. that is the class that needs buffing .... if the NB is light/resto, night silence is a huge 5 piece debuff. If the NB is stam build ... who cares what horse they outrun .... they are putting up with a under performing build (but a build that one would expect a night blade to be - its Zos fault they under perform) ... just cant see the logic in nerfing this.

indigoblades

Sunrock wrote: »

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I agree that it was not unintended that you could seek that fast. However just because it was not unintended does not mean that they might see it will be too OP for future content and needs to be nerfed.

But I do not see the big deal here... you all have to get new gear anyway as they rice the level cap to VR14. Or all you all planing to still use your VR12 gear and VR14?

How is it op ?? I really don't care that much losing Night silence armor or wasting a few purple mats or gold enchants ... the big deal to me is why zos cares, why are they spending resources with this with so many other messed things ... why are they nerfing a weak build, Stam nightblades... to anyone else it a fun toy at best ... It was fun and so little is fun in this game. New solo content is months away and if this is unintended, i have no hope nerfs will not get more silly.

You can say "Cya" but if they lose people like they did in release 1.1 and 1.2, there isnt going to be any one to pay for new craiglorns and arenas & game goes free to play.

indigoblades

tengri wrote: »

Adapt and move on or gtfo.

And for the record, yes, I have such a "travel set" that stacks with my vampire passive and lets me outrun horses while stealthed.
I like it a *** lot and sure gonna miss it.
However, it is overpowered and totally out of place and so obviously broken; was only a question when and not if it will go away.

As for returning mats costs... nah, not needed.
You got a lot out of that investment and now its life time has expired. Move on to exploit the next big thing while that one will last.

Kypho wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Since we have all agreed that this nerf is unneeded and will cause the failure of ESO due to 90% of the player-base unsubscribing if it goes live, I was curious to know when you will back out/revert this nerf?

Thanks.

So you say that 90% of player base, unsubbing because they ballance game to be less vampire wars überspeed stealth online? Vampirism should be removed completly because its not elder scrolls. so 90% are happy to play favor of the month crap and doesnt like ballance? uhh... this game has the worst ballance and thats why it will fail, not because weak and bad ppl lose their obv. OP craps.
Grow up..... play fair.... this is Elder Scrolls game not some Vampire BS.... next will be Zombie players or wth...

Ok. lets go devs and make dodge stack. make better armor with dodge, not 20% make 70% and make it stack with medium armor skill. So 92% (i think full medium gives 22% nonstacking dodge) would be good.

if 90% are vamps u need to ask urself how many enjoy being a vamp ... i am sure some do it because they percieve it to be OP, but a sizable percentage may enjoy it, and may get tired of getting nerfed and leave. Anyway u would be surprised to learn there is not another good vamp role play game and lots play Obliv, Skyrim and ESO just to be a vamp.... if they leave there might not be enough people to pay for ur major releases most of which have been disappointments to me ... Food for thought for the see ya crowd.

indigoblades

xillix666 wrote: »

No they won't, being able to "speedhack" in stealth by stacking speed is not intended, use a mount like everyone else, that's what they are there for.

Stacking anything in this game will get abilities nerfed and rebalanced, learn to play the game as a balanced toon not go all out on something, or spam 1 skill, it's going to be nerfed if it's overpowered.

Huh ?????????????????? optimizing ur skill and armor and traits and enchants is STACKING ????

Is DK intended too face roll anything ???? Is light/resto intended to spam 90 % of spells indefinatly with no potions. That is stacking and no one is complaining about that.

dale_forrestb16_ESO

indigoblades wrote: »

ok i am vamp/sorc .... i also have a DK, vamp/nb, normal NB, sorc and templar, so i know how u must feel. In beta i made a nb and sorc .... i was 50/50 when i choose the sorc, but i could easily be in ur shoes.

Hope u stay, but i feel more so every day ZOS has no clue what game they created and just have a morning meeting, ask whats the hot in the forems today & decide what they are gonna nerf this week. Still hope u stay and waste ur money like me in the hope they wake up one day. Whether i get sneak speed bonus or not doesnt matter to me. Its a toy but a fun toy. What does bug me, is the lack of consistency in this game. I started another thread should they even release 1.4 or just wait until they can do it right. Pretty disappointed and if 1.4 screws up my addons again maybe the straw that breaks the camels back.

Yep, that is pretty much it. It's not "just" the speed nerf, it's the overall state of the game and in particular PvP. I think it's self-evident that they are not listening to their customers, which I find truly bizarre because in effect we are paying their salaries - or at least a chunck of them. I levelled 2 other classes to Veteran and don't really like them so switching mains is not an option for me. That all said - I am waiting to see what happens but abstaining from playing in the meantime.

Braddass

indigoblades wrote: »

if 90% are vamps u need to ask urself how many enjoy being a vamp ... i am sure some do it because they percieve it to be OP, but a sizable percentage may enjoy it, and may get tired of getting nerfed and leave.

I am will to bet that if Vamps are ever nerfed to a point where they are actually balanced, a lot of people who "enjoy it" will decide that it is not as fun. In other words, the reason they enjoy it is because it is overpowered.

I am sure it is fun playing god-mode, but it is not balanced.

indigoblades

Its not over powered in the least but those u describe wont leave they will just use the next inline percieved Build of Month thats 99% effective as a vamp. Anyway lots are vamps dont pvp or do group content, they are vamps because ESO is the game u can be vamp is my point. Those are the one who are going to leave.

If it is so God-mode how come i dont have single vamp skill on my bar, everything is nerfed so bad none are worth it.

Kevinmon

I will definitely be unsubbing if I don't get all the resources I spent crafting this set refunded.

scorpiodog

End of ESO 2014

Alpheu5

scorpiodog wrote: »

End of ESO 2014

ZoS necro'd their own game.

Strider_Roshin

The question you must ask yourself for every balancing decision in this game is "does it impact sorcs specifically?"

If it does then expect it to remain powerful. If it doesn't expect it to get nerfed to uselessness