ZoS, when will you back out the Night Silence/Dark Stalker nerf?

onlinegamer1

Since we have all agreed that this nerf is unneeded and will cause the failure of ESO due to 90% of the player-base unsubscribing if it goes live, I was curious to know when you will back out/revert this nerf?

Thanks.

reften

I use these abilities...and it's overpowered big time. I just want to know if Dark Stalker will even stack with Concealed Weapon

onlinegamer1

oren74 wrote: »

I use these abilities...and it's overpowered big time. I just want to know if Dark Stalker will even stack with Concealed Weapon

This thread is about the timing of the rollback of the nerf. You can start your own thread about the effects or post in an existing one.

Comaetilico

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

I use these abilities...and it's overpowered big time. I just want to know if Dark Stalker will even stack with Concealed Weapon

This thread is about the timing of the rollback of the nerf. You can start your own thread about the effects or post in an existing one.

wheny you say ALL you give everyone (that is another way to say ALL) the right to come here and say that you'r saing ***... ^^

reften

you made a statement that quote "we all agreed". I didn't agree.

AlexDrago

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

when you will back out/revert this nerf?
Thanks.

After reverting nerf from BE, of course. I mean second nerf, thats increase cost by 80%.
After that we can talk about reverting NS/DS nerf.

madangrypally

I agree with the nerf. I found it silly that it stacked in the first place and felt it would be nerfed sooner or later.

IxSTALKERxI

Is the OP trying to troll? or is he actually serious...

xMovingTarget

so you want a cheap way to travel faster than anybody who paid 42k gold + 50x250 gold + 50 days of time?

There should be a reason for Horses ingame. Also vampirism is out of hand. You get way too much benefit for being a vamp. Especially in PvP. This needs to stop. I dont wanna play [snip] "Vampire: The Masquerade". I wanna play The Elder Scrolls Online!

And in TES the vampires have always been a minority. Not a majority as it is here. This just brings it more in line and even makes you think of staying a vamp or not. Its still OP as hell.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Chillic

A big issue is for those who spent money or resources on this gear after ZOS remained silent about it. It was like this on the PTS and concerns were raised, no word from ZOS. It went live and still nothing from ZOS. I don't think this set is OP at all really, I switch to Hunding's Rage before fight anyway. I do, however, enjoy the hell out of cliff jumping. I only used blue mats on this set cause I knew it wasn't going to last but the lack of communication from ZOS is again, the biggest concern. Now, I will enjoy my last weekend(most likely) of superb cliff jumping!

Dominoid

I don't remember agreeing. With you at least. I agree with ZOS.

Chillic

xMovingTarget wrote: »

so you want a cheap way to travel faster than anybody who paid 42k gold + 50x250 gold + 50 days of time?

There should be a reason for Horses ingame. Also vampirism is out of hand. You get way too much benefit for being a vamp. Especially in PvP. This needs to stop. I dont wanna play [snip] "Vampire: The Masquerade". I wanna play The Elder Scrolls Online!

And in TES the vampires have always been a minority. Not a majority as it is here. This just brings it more in line and even makes you think of staying a vamp or not. Its still OP as hell.

In Twilight, the vampires were much faster than horses.

Reality: Even though it was a joke, I am ashamed of mentioning Twilight

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

kevlarto_ESO

I agree with ZOS, as a NB, 180% run speeds are a bit out of line, and have no place in the game.

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO

The stacking actually made NB a viable class in endgame pvp, but it shouldn't of been put on the normal server, if they were planning to nerf, I remember numerous threads about this when the set came to PTS, yet it didn't get fixed. If this update makes it to the normal server, they should pay back the resources used on the night silence armor. It's easily fixed mistakes like this making it to the normal servers, rather than being nerfed that make people like me want to unsubscribe. If this patch goes live on the normal servers, I will seriously think about leaving the game till they either make some serious staff changes or clean up their sloppyness and become more accountable to the players who play this game.

kkampaseb17_ESO

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Since we have all agreed that this nerf is unneeded and will cause the failure of ESO due to 90% of the player-base unsubscribing if it goes live, I was curious to know when you will back out/revert this nerf?

Thanks.

I certainly don't agree with you.

Thanks!

onlinegamer1

Once again, if you want to talk about the viability of the effect, start a different thread. This thread is for ZoS to inform us when they will revert the nerf and restore the stacking bonus: either after ESO goes out of business (release the nerf and every one cancels their account), or before 1.4 goes live (saving ESO from going out of business).

Thanks for understanding.

Chillic

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Once again, if you want to talk about the viability of the effect, start a different thread. This thread is for ZoS to inform us when they will revert the nerf and restore the stacking bonus: either after ESO goes out of business (release the nerf and every one cancels their account), or before 1.4 goes live (saving ESO from going out of business).

Thanks for understanding.

Your joke is way better than mine, you win!

hamon

you guys who dont like it seem to be missing the point.. THEY WERE ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES before 1.3 went live with nights silence stacking , WAS IT INTENTIONAL OR NOT. they said it was and let it go live... now whther you agree with that is by the by ,
what is important is that loads of folk spend heaps of money crafting these sets secure in the knowledge that it was intentional as confirmed by ZOS.

now they change their minds like a bunch of incompetant fools... that level of idiocy beggars belief imo. and will cost them subs including mine.

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO

This was so obviously an unintended stacking/feature that I can't believe people tried to center their builds around it and are now complaining that ZOS fixed it.

onlinegamer1

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

This was so obviously an unintended stacking/feature that I can't believe people tried to center their builds around it and are now complaining that ZOS fixed it.

You are factually incorrect. As was stated many times, ZoS said the speed stacking was intentional. Then some whiney crybaby whined and cried on the forum, and a forum Mod (not a Dev mind you, a Moderator) said they would "fix" it, and now its nerfed.

Again, this is not up for debate in this thread. If you want to talk about whether it should or should not be allowed, go to another thread. This thread is to discuss the impending end of ESO as an MMORPG based on whether this nerf is reversed in time or not.

xMovingTarget

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

either after ESO goes out of business (release the nerf and every one cancels their account),

Really? You think People will do that because of this? I highly doubt that.

But i like how you always talk for every other ESO Player. As prooven, the majority in this thread totally agree with this Fix. Its not a nerf.

I will not cancel my account because of this. So the assumption you made is obsolete.

With your logic you will also cancel your sub when 1.4 hits. Since you wanna get VR14 gear anyway. Or if you dont unsub, you want all the mats etc handed to you because you upgraded your VR12 gear.

Live with it. MMOs are constantly evolving. And players always need to adapt to changes. Thats how things are. If you dont like it, this game might not be for you in the first place.

When 1.3 changed some sets, almost everybody was complaining about it. And now most ppl dont even remember. They got different stuff now and are happy. A different thing for you now could be to actually get a fast horse you know

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

This was so obviously an unintended stacking/feature that I can't believe people tried to center their builds around it and are now complaining that ZOS fixed it.

You are factually incorrect. As was stated many times, ZoS said the speed stacking was intentional. Then some whiney crybaby whined and cried on the forum, and a forum Mod (not a Dev mind you, a Moderator) said they would "fix" it, and now its nerfed.

Again, this is not up for debate in this thread. If you want to talk about whether it should or should not be allowed, go to another thread. This thread is to discuss the impending end of ESO as an MMORPG based on whether this nerf is reversed in time or not.

Do you have a source?

onlinegamer1

hamon wrote: »

you guys who dont like it seem to be missing the point.. THEY WERE ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES before 1.3 went live with nights silence stacking , WAS IT INTENTIONAL OR NOT. they said it was and let it go live... now whther you agree with that is by the by ,
what is important is that loads of folk spend heaps of money crafting these sets secure in the knowledge that it was intentional as confirmed by ZOS.

now they change their minds like a bunch of incompetant fools... that level of idiocy beggars belief imo. and will cost them subs including mine.

This is why most people will cancel their accounts if this goes live.

NOT because of this one nerf.
But because ZoS Devs are demonstrating their incompetence.
I don't pay for access to a game run by incompetents.

ThisOnePosts

ZOS, if the passives that people put skill points into don't stack with sets they have to craft: Every set/passive combo needs to be looked at. You'd have a much happier community leaving them all alone as I never ever ever see nor hear anyone cry about it other than a few on the forums. Not in Cyrodiil, not in Zone chats, not in Guild chats.

The very fact that healers can endlessly heal using combos in different sets like Seducer/Warlock/Light Armor and that people can put all speed in their horses without choosing any Stamina, yet can still run endlessly is an even bigger joke.

This is a very bad move to start preventing passives/set bonuses from stacking. Either be more creative and come up with bonuses that are completely new, look at all set/passive combos (albeit that will trigger an outrage I'm sure), or leave them the heck alone.

Signed,

Seducer/Warlock/Light Armor user (who has tested Night's Silence w/ Vamp --- feel free to check my characters on my account).

Dominoid

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

This was so obviously an unintended stacking/feature that I can't believe people tried to center their builds around it and are now complaining that ZOS fixed it.

You are factually incorrect. As was stated many times, ZoS said the speed stacking was intentional. Then some whiney crybaby whined and cried on the forum, and a forum Mod (not a Dev mind you, a Moderator) said they would "fix" it, and now its nerfed.

Again, this is not up for debate in this thread. If you want to talk about whether it should or should not be allowed, go to another thread. This thread is to discuss the impending end of ESO as an MMORPG based on whether this nerf is reversed in time or not.

Do you have a source?

I heard it from this guy in zone chat, who told the zone that he was minding his own business doing some banking stuff with the Daggerfall banker when he overheard a Nord talking to an Argonian about . . .

Also because if I repeat the same thing over and over again, it must be true. Not that I am factually incorrect in my assertions.

onlinegamer1

Its too bad that the forum search is so weak, but there is at least one thread with ZOS_GinaBruno confirming that stacking (in general) is SUPPOSED to be allowed. In this case, its Night's Silence + Concealed Weapon.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125116/night-s-silence-concealment-sneak-speed-boost-bug

Quote from Gina:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Roger that - passing this one along. Thanks, and good find!

Thanks for confirming that stacking of speed boosts is INTENTIONAL BY DESIGN, Gina Bruno!

hamon

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

This was so obviously an unintended stacking/feature that I can't believe people tried to center their builds around it and are now complaining that ZOS fixed it.

You are factually incorrect. As was stated many times, ZoS said the speed stacking was intentional. Then some whiney crybaby whined and cried on the forum, and a forum Mod (not a Dev mind you, a Moderator) said they would "fix" it, and now its nerfed.

Again, this is not up for debate in this thread. If you want to talk about whether it should or should not be allowed, go to another thread. This thread is to discuss the impending end of ESO as an MMORPG based on whether this nerf is reversed in time or not.

Do you have a source?

heres one source its from a direct query between aliendiplomat and ZOS just before 1.3 went live 3 weeks ago

I just wanted to ask for confirmation, before I spend tens of thousands of gold on something that will be useless next week...

I recently tested out the new Night's Silence set which increases sneak speed, and combined with the vampire passive Dark Stalker, you can achieve some truly impressive stealth sprinting!

I realize this is lost as soon as you enter combat, but still for scouting and general movement around the world it is excellent.

However, people have been telling me that you are nerfing this so soon after giving it. That you will prevent the two and others from stacking, or cap sneak speed far below what is currently offered by just these two combined.

So, rather than speculate I thought I would seek an answer directly from the source.

Can you offer any comment? I won't bother making this one of my epic or legendary sets if it is slated to be nerfed.

Thanks!

Response:
Spoiler:
Greetings!
And thanks for contacting us concerning the rumors. I love giving some clarity where I can~

As it stands, I cannot release any information on future additions and adjustments to the game content that hasn't already been released. However, that should be enough to confirm the rumor false. Any plans for readjusting armor would be properly announced and we haven't released any information like that.

We did make a few adjustments to sets that you may have seen under the Item Sets section of the Patch Notes. And that does include fixing [Night's Silence]'s functionality and clarifying it's bonus percentage, but nothing in terms of adjusting its actual quality of the armor.

These are the only readjustments we have slated and patched at the moment.
So hopefully that's helpful information for you!

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Its too bad that the forum search is so weak, but there is at least one thread with ZOS_GinaBruno confirming that stacking (in general) is SUPPOSED to be allowed. In this case, its Night's Silence + Concealed Weapon.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125116/night-s-silence-concealment-sneak-speed-boost-bug

Quote from Gina:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Roger that - passing this one along. Thanks, and good find!

Thanks for confirming that stacking of speed boosts is INTENTIONAL BY DESIGN, Gina Bruno!

Was that a serious copying of her quote? That was her response to someone spotting a bug that caused the speed buff to drop..

hamon wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

This was so obviously an unintended stacking/feature that I can't believe people tried to center their builds around it and are now complaining that ZOS fixed it.

You are factually incorrect. As was stated many times, ZoS said the speed stacking was intentional. Then some whiney crybaby whined and cried on the forum, and a forum Mod (not a Dev mind you, a Moderator) said they would "fix" it, and now its nerfed.

Again, this is not up for debate in this thread. If you want to talk about whether it should or should not be allowed, go to another thread. This thread is to discuss the impending end of ESO as an MMORPG based on whether this nerf is reversed in time or not.

Do you have a source?

heres one source its from a direct query between aliendiplomat and ZOS just before 1.3 went live 3 weeks ago

I just wanted to ask for confirmation, before I spend tens of thousands of gold on something that will be useless next week...

I recently tested out the new Night's Silence set which increases sneak speed, and combined with the vampire passive Dark Stalker, you can achieve some truly impressive stealth sprinting!

I realize this is lost as soon as you enter combat, but still for scouting and general movement around the world it is excellent.

However, people have been telling me that you are nerfing this so soon after giving it. That you will prevent the two and others from stacking, or cap sneak speed far below what is currently offered by just these two combined.

So, rather than speculate I thought I would seek an answer directly from the source.

Can you offer any comment? I won't bother making this one of my epic or legendary sets if it is slated to be nerfed.

Thanks!

Response:
Spoiler:
Greetings!
And thanks for contacting us concerning the rumors. I love giving some clarity where I can~

As it stands, I cannot release any information on future additions and adjustments to the game content that hasn't already been released. However, that should be enough to confirm the rumor false. Any plans for readjusting armor would be properly announced and we haven't released any information like that.

We did make a few adjustments to sets that you may have seen under the Item Sets section of the Patch Notes. And that does include fixing [Night's Silence]'s functionality and clarifying it's bonus percentage, but nothing in terms of adjusting its actual quality of the armor.

These are the only readjustments we have slated and patched at the moment.
So hopefully that's helpful information for you!

This does not confirm, to me anyway, that the feature was 100% intended. She outright says she cannot provide future details on what was going to be done about it, especially since she isn't a dev. All she says here is at the time there were no concrete plans to nerf anything, but did not claim it was totally intended and would not be touched.

Dominoid

Reading is hard. I guess people really will see what they want. I don't see a confirmation in any of the quoted material. But keep trying.

hamon

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Its too bad that the forum search is so weak, but there is at least one thread with ZOS_GinaBruno confirming that stacking (in general) is SUPPOSED to be allowed. In this case, its Night's Silence + Concealed Weapon.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125116/night-s-silence-concealment-sneak-speed-boost-bug

Quote from Gina:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Roger that - passing this one along. Thanks, and good find!

Thanks for confirming that stacking of speed boosts is INTENTIONAL BY DESIGN, Gina Bruno!

Was that a serious copying of her quote? That was her response to someone spotting a bug that caused the speed buff to drop..

hamon wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

This was so obviously an unintended stacking/feature that I can't believe people tried to center their builds around it and are now complaining that ZOS fixed it.

You are factually incorrect. As was stated many times, ZoS said the speed stacking was intentional. Then some whiney crybaby whined and cried on the forum, and a forum Mod (not a Dev mind you, a Moderator) said they would "fix" it, and now its nerfed.

Again, this is not up for debate in this thread. If you want to talk about whether it should or should not be allowed, go to another thread. This thread is to discuss the impending end of ESO as an MMORPG based on whether this nerf is reversed in time or not.

Do you have a source?

heres one source its from a direct query between aliendiplomat and ZOS just before 1.3 went live 3 weeks ago

I just wanted to ask for confirmation, before I spend tens of thousands of gold on something that will be useless next week...

I recently tested out the new Night's Silence set which increases sneak speed, and combined with the vampire passive Dark Stalker, you can achieve some truly impressive stealth sprinting!

I realize this is lost as soon as you enter combat, but still for scouting and general movement around the world it is excellent.

However, people have been telling me that you are nerfing this so soon after giving it. That you will prevent the two and others from stacking, or cap sneak speed far below what is currently offered by just these two combined.

So, rather than speculate I thought I would seek an answer directly from the source.

Can you offer any comment? I won't bother making this one of my epic or legendary sets if it is slated to be nerfed.

Thanks!

Response:
Spoiler:
Greetings!
And thanks for contacting us concerning the rumors. I love giving some clarity where I can~

As it stands, I cannot release any information on future additions and adjustments to the game content that hasn't already been released. However, that should be enough to confirm the rumor false. Any plans for readjusting armor would be properly announced and we haven't released any information like that.

We did make a few adjustments to sets that you may have seen under the Item Sets section of the Patch Notes. And that does include fixing [Night's Silence]'s functionality and clarifying it's bonus percentage, but nothing in terms of adjusting its actual quality of the armor.

These are the only readjustments we have slated and patched at the moment.
So hopefully that's helpful information for you!

This does not confirm, to me anyway, that the feature was 100% intended. She outright says she cannot provide future details on what was going to be done about it, especially since she isn't a dev. All she says here is at the time there were no concrete plans to nerf anything, but did not claim it was totally intended and would not be touched.

for a start it wasnt ginabruno it was from a ticket sent to zos not a mod.. the other source you seem to want to challenge might have been ginabruno tho. but there was a whole thread i cant seem to find where again it was stated it was working as intended... so unless your going to call everyone who read that thread or who contacted various zos people directly liars perhaps you should just accept we arn't liars.

Xanthro

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

This was so obviously an unintended stacking/feature that I can't believe people tried to center their builds around it and are now complaining that ZOS fixed it.

How the hell can it be unintended? It's like saying, I'm going to add 15 to 25 and be surprised when it is now 40. It's not as if it is 60. The math is very simple and basic.
The speed adds up exactly as the math states it should. If it were faster, than the math says it should be, then there would be an exploit, but having number add to what they are can't be unintended, especially because people crunched the numbers, supplied them to the programmers, provided feedback and real time data in Test, and had it acknowledged it was working as intended.
That you are the other whiners think there is something unintended in moving in stealth faster than a slow horse is ridiculous. So you pretend that somehow math adding up according to basic mathematical rules is somehow unintended.