Steam Keys

Arsenic_Touch

o_0 wrote: »

Sorry but Steam is for people who are afraid of computers.

What is this I don't even?

Evergnar

o_0 wrote: »

Sorry but Steam is for people who are afraid of computers.

I have Steam. Maybe I should see a doctor about my condition.

Tandor

Delith wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I fail to understand why people who don't like Steam but won't have to use it are going to quit playing a game they enjoy because those who do want to play through Steam now have an option to do so.

You've misunderstood. We want to play through Steam, without rebuying the game. We like Steam.

A few hours ago you were happily playing an enjoyable game with no idea that its marketing was going to be extended to Steam to encourage more people to play it. Now you are upset because you can't link your existing account freely to Steam, although you can link it freely as a non-Steam game. Your circumstances haven't changed one iota, you're still able to play the game perfectly well through ZOS as you were before this announcement, and you can even link it to your Steam account so your Steam friends can keep in touch while you're playing it.

Is the reason people are saying they'll quit (my bet is they won't, not if they're enjoying the game) because they'll not get the extra pet (shallow) or because they weren't told about this deal before ZOS were contractually in a position to go public on it (unrealistic)?

Raash

I knew it, this is not a game, its a goverment sanctioned experiement to test for how long and how much you can cheat people onto paying monthly for using a spray painted "golden" turd. right?

Rhoric

Nope not trolling at all. I ran steam to check it out and it used more resources than the game launchers themselves. I run ARC for the PWE games and it uses less resources than steam.

Sure I would love having the dog as a pet so i could get rid of the 3 pets in my bank space. But I won't put steam back on my computer to get it.

Delith

Tandor wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I fail to understand why people who don't like Steam but won't have to use it are going to quit playing a game they enjoy because those who do want to play through Steam now have an option to do so.

You've misunderstood. We want to play through Steam, without rebuying the game. We like Steam.

A few hours ago you were happily playing an enjoyable game with no idea that its marketing was going to be extended to Steam to encourage more people to play it. Now you are upset because you can't link your existing account freely to Steam, although you can link it freely as a non-Steam game. Your circumstances haven't changed one iota, you're still able to play the game perfectly well through ZOS as you were before this announcement, and you can even link it to your Steam account so your Steam friends can keep in touch while you're playing it.

Is the reason people are saying they'll quit (my bet is they won't, not if they're enjoying the game) because they'll not get the extra pet (shallow) or because they weren't told about this deal before ZOS were contractually in a position to go public on it (unrealistic)?

It's almost like you didn't read the thread at all.

Delith

Rhoric wrote: »

Nope not trolling at all. I ran steam to check it out and it used more resources than the game launchers themselves. I run ARC for the PWE games and it uses less resources than steam.

Sure I would love having the dog as a pet so i could get rid of the 3 pets in my bank space. But I won't put steam back on my computer to get it.

Steam is currently using 29 meg of my 16gb of memory, 0% CPU, and 0% network bandwidth.

You're wrong.

CheesyDaedra

Rhoric wrote: »

Nope not trolling at all. I ran steam to check it out and it used more resources than the game launchers themselves. I run ARC for the PWE games and it uses less resources than steam.

Sure I would love having the dog as a pet so i could get rid of the 3 pets in my bank space. But I won't put steam back on my computer to get it.

PCs with decent hardware shouldn't find a difference with and without steam taking some of their RAM.

Rhoric

Nope not wrong. Steam was using over 100 meg when I ran it. ARC used 30 meg. I see no reason to run steam. I use raptr and that tracks all my games and i dont even have to add the game to it as it did it automatically. Raptr uses 25 megs.

Tandor

Delith wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I fail to understand why people who don't like Steam but won't have to use it are going to quit playing a game they enjoy because those who do want to play through Steam now have an option to do so.

You've misunderstood. We want to play through Steam, without rebuying the game. We like Steam.

A few hours ago you were happily playing an enjoyable game with no idea that its marketing was going to be extended to Steam to encourage more people to play it. Now you are upset because you can't link your existing account freely to Steam, although you can link it freely as a non-Steam game. Your circumstances haven't changed one iota, you're still able to play the game perfectly well through ZOS as you were before this announcement, and you can even link it to your Steam account so your Steam friends can keep in touch while you're playing it.

Is the reason people are saying they'll quit (my bet is they won't, not if they're enjoying the game) because they'll not get the extra pet (shallow) or because they weren't told about this deal before ZOS were contractually in a position to go public on it (unrealistic)?

It's almost like you didn't read the thread at all.

Well it seems to me from the thread that it's like people complaining that they bought the game from ZOS but now that it's available from Walmart they think they should be entitled to be treated by Walmart as if they'd bought it from them.

What makes you think you're entitled to a Steam key when you didn't buy your existing account from Steam? The way you play the game hasn't changed since the announcement (except for the beneficial ability now to access your Steam friends when playing it), people's complaints are just another "we want something for nothing" moan. You can link your account to Steam as a non-Steam game, or you can buy another account through Steam. Why should Steam hand out hundreds of thousands of Steam keys to people who didn't pay them for the game, and why should ZOS pay Steam for them to hand them out?

My main point, however, remains true regardless of your claims that I misunderstand the complaints. You can still play the game exactly as you did before you heard it was going to Steam, so the idea that you can't get a Steam key out of this is enough to make you cancel a game you were previously enjoying is absurd. It's a gross over-reaction to a beneficial marketing move that can only help the game and those who enjoy it, even existing Steam customers who can now socialise through Steam while playing through ZOS.

eventide03b14a_ESO

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

We won't be providing Steam keys to current ESO players, as Steam utilizes ESO's launcher and patcher, as well as our billing and account systems. Instead, if you'd like to play via Steam, you can add the existing title to Steam.

To do this, head to "Games" option within Steam and select "Add Non-Steam Game to My Library." Then, select the checkbox next to "The Elder Scrolls Online" and click "Add Selected Programs."

I just don't get why they don't allow us to add it to our Steam accounts by purchasing a Steam key. How hard would that be? I think it would be at least a compromise that most people could live with. On a side note it's very foolish of ZOS to not eat this one and give us free keys anyway. It's basically losing out on advertising. I have seen many times that a friend of mine logged into FFXIV, and there are also times that I have bought a game based on what my friends have bought. There are times that I have been suggested a game by Steam and bought it. ZOS should want us playing on Steam and promoting it. It's these sort of short sited business decisions that make me wonder about the future of the game. @ZOS_AmeliaR‌ you should really rethink this decision as a good faith gesture especially given all the of recent issues that we have experienced.

Delith

Tandor wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I fail to understand why people who don't like Steam but won't have to use it are going to quit playing a game they enjoy because those who do want to play through Steam now have an option to do so.

You've misunderstood. We want to play through Steam, without rebuying the game. We like Steam.

A few hours ago you were happily playing an enjoyable game with no idea that its marketing was going to be extended to Steam to encourage more people to play it. Now you are upset because you can't link your existing account freely to Steam, although you can link it freely as a non-Steam game. Your circumstances haven't changed one iota, you're still able to play the game perfectly well through ZOS as you were before this announcement, and you can even link it to your Steam account so your Steam friends can keep in touch while you're playing it.

Is the reason people are saying they'll quit (my bet is they won't, not if they're enjoying the game) because they'll not get the extra pet (shallow) or because they weren't told about this deal before ZOS were contractually in a position to go public on it (unrealistic)?

It's almost like you didn't read the thread at all.

Well it seems to me from the thread that it's like people complaining that they bought the game from ZOS but now that it's available from Walmart they think they should be entitled to be treated by Walmart as if they'd bought it from them.

What makes you think you're entitled to a Steam key when you didn't buy your existing account from Steam? The way you play the game hasn't changed since the announcement (except for the beneficial ability now to access your Steam friends when playing it), people's complaints are just another "we want something for nothing" moan. You can link your account to Steam as a non-Steam game, or you can buy another account through Steam. Why should Steam hand out hundreds of thousands of Steam keys to people who didn't pay them for the game, and why should ZOS pay Steam for them to hand them out?

I'm not entitled to anything. I'm fully aware of that.

That's why I'm letting my sub lapse.

How are you having trouble understanding this? This is indicative of a poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service, and I have no desire to give these people any money.

When they start treating their current customers like they do their potential customers, I'll reconsider.

If you truly, honestly think that as an organization they did not expect people to be pissed that they as current players do not get what new players get, I don't know what to say to you. They knew. They chose to do absolutely nothing about it but give canned responses, no explanations, and no consolation to try and soften the blow.

It's insulting. You don't want to admit it because admitting you can see another side of the argument is empowering that argument, and in that case, that weakens your ability to enjoy the game by admitting that perhaps the company you are supporting doesn't have your best interests in mind at all.

I get it. It's fine.

Still doesn't make the situation any less wrong.

jrgray93

Rhoric wrote: »

Nope not trolling at all. I ran steam to check it out and it used more resources than the game launchers themselves. I run ARC for the PWE games and it uses less resources than steam.

Sure I would love having the dog as a pet so i could get rid of the 3 pets in my bank space. But I won't put steam back on my computer to get it.

Well, these things tend to happen when you're playing on a graphing calculator.

KraidenDove

We are not getting the dog until they come out with an alternate version of the dog with different fur. I mean seriously look I like pets and all but vehicles, pets, trophies, you guys know how this works in every MMO game. Some are released for some people at different intervals and a comparable option is given later on to appease the masses.

And lets be honest now, you are all here for the dog, not your dignity or customer service.

jrgray93

KraidenDove wrote: »

We are not getting the dog until they come out with an alternate version of the dog with different fur. I mean seriously look I like pets and all but vehicles, pets, trophies, you guys know how this works in every MMO game. Some are released for some people at different intervals and a comparable option is given later on to appease the masses.

And lets be honest now, you are all here for the dog, not your dignity or customer service.

Nope. I don't want the dog. I don't use pets. They annoy me. I'm here because ZOS is giving me the finger.

I've purchased two copies of this game, a combined 6 months of game time, the palomino horse, the guar plushy, and six t-shirts. But a digital dog? Nope. Not allowed to have it. That's only for the people with the "Late to the Party" achievement.

Tandor

Delith wrote: »

How are you having trouble understanding this? This is indicative of a poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service, and I have no desire to give these people any money.

When they start treating their current customers like they do their potential customers, I'll reconsider.

So explain the way in which current customers aren't being treated like potential customers. Is it the fact that you bought from ZOS and got one pet, while Steam customers will get a different pet? Is it that you bought from one retailer/launch platform but can't get a key from a different retailer/launch platform?

Don't just say I don't understand, explain clearly what the grievance is and why. I am genuinely unable to read into this a "poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service", it seems to me to be a very positive move that can only help the game by increasing sales, but I'm perfectly happy to be persuaded otherwise if the argument can extend beyond the "you don't want to admit it" stage to a proper explanation of why it indicates a "poisonous mindset" which seems a gross over-reaction even if the main criticism turns out to be that they won't allow you even to buy a Steam key for a ZOS account, as opposed to getting one for free. Is that what it's about? It's genuinely difficult to read behind the vitriol.

Mercurio

Jesus you people will cry about anything. No other sub MMO that has come to Steam has done this, why expect it now? Personally I'm buying it again on steam.
Now the pet issue is something else entirely, but I'm sure in the near future there will be another way to obtain the dog.

Natjur

I am one of those insane people who re-brought a lot of the older games I had when they came out of Steam so I could dump the disks.

Looking at the game now on steam and thinking about it, I guess they need the money and this works, it will get more sales and some fools like me will re-buy just to have it all clean and on steam. (plus a get a dog........)

Now if I rebuy the game and link it to my current account, if I get the 30 days that comes with the key, its not so bad (47-15 = 32 to have it on steam and get a second mud crap and a dog)

That's like 3 beers in town

P.S. So there are steam cards, are there steam achievements (like the ones in game linked to here?)

eventide03b14a_ESO

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I understand that people are annoyed about not getting the dog that steam customers get. But I don't understand why people want have their cpu usage increased by having to run steam in the background while playing ESO. Steam does use memory that could be going to ESO.

I have Steam running all the time and trust me it has no impact on ESO or any other game I play for that matter. It takes less resources than the launcher.

CheesyDaedra

The game has trading cards, WE NEED A STEAM KEY NOW

Amsel_McKay

DaedricCheese wrote: »

The game has trading cards, WE NEED A STEAM KEY NOW

and a unique pet only available to steam users!

Delith

Tandor wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

How are you having trouble understanding this? This is indicative of a poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service, and I have no desire to give these people any money.

When they start treating their current customers like they do their potential customers, I'll reconsider.

So explain the way in which current customers aren't being treated like potential customers. Is it the fact that you bought from ZOS and got one pet, while Steam customers will get a different pet? Is it that you bought from one retailer/launch platform but can't get a key from a different retailer/launch platform?

Don't just say I don't understand, explain clearly what the grievance is and why. I am genuinely unable to read into this a "poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service", it seems to me to be a very positive move that can only help the game by increasing sales, but I'm perfectly happy to be persuaded otherwise if the argument can extend beyond the "you don't want to admit it" stage to a proper explanation of why it indicates a "poisonous mindset" which seems a gross over-reaction even if the main criticism turns out to be that they won't allow you even to buy a Steam key for a ZOS account, as opposed to getting one for free. Is that what it's about? It's genuinely difficult to read behind the vitriol.

Zenimax has a history of gating content behind paywalls in ESO, making their entire playerbase mad. If they had learned anything from the response, there wouldn't be yet another unique piece of content (however trivial) behind a paywall.

Zenimax did not consider that a large portion of the people who play their game on the PC might also be current members of the largest PC gaming community platform on the planet. If they had, they'd have informed us of their interest to migrate to the Steam platform. If they had, they'd have given us an option to migrate our accounts to the Steam platform.

Zenimax did absolutely nothing to explain these decisions upon reading the reaction of the people on their forums and other communities. Instead, they put up generic unquestionable statements, clearly saying, "You will not get this." Both this thread and the thread regarding the dog have one now. There is no explanation as to why. There is no conversation with us regarding the situation whatsoever. There is just "you can not be on Steam; add it as a non Steam game." and "You cannot have the dog unless you buy the game again."

I understand these seem like trivial concepts to you. They probably do to any rational person.

My problem is with the fact that not only did they do these frustrating things I listed above, they are not even acknowledging that it is probably annoying to some current players.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Delith wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

How are you having trouble understanding this? This is indicative of a poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service, and I have no desire to give these people any money.

When they start treating their current customers like they do their potential customers, I'll reconsider.

So explain the way in which current customers aren't being treated like potential customers. Is it the fact that you bought from ZOS and got one pet, while Steam customers will get a different pet? Is it that you bought from one retailer/launch platform but can't get a key from a different retailer/launch platform?

Don't just say I don't understand, explain clearly what the grievance is and why. I am genuinely unable to read into this a "poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service", it seems to me to be a very positive move that can only help the game by increasing sales, but I'm perfectly happy to be persuaded otherwise if the argument can extend beyond the "you don't want to admit it" stage to a proper explanation of why it indicates a "poisonous mindset" which seems a gross over-reaction even if the main criticism turns out to be that they won't allow you even to buy a Steam key for a ZOS account, as opposed to getting one for free. Is that what it's about? It's genuinely difficult to read behind the vitriol.

Zenimax has a history of gating content behind paywalls in ESO, making their entire playerbase mad. If they had learned anything from the response, there wouldn't be yet another unique piece of content (however trivial) behind a paywall.

Zenimax did not consider that a large portion of the people who play their game on the PC might also be current members of the largest PC gaming community platform on the planet. If they had, they'd have informed us of their interest to migrate to the Steam platform. If they had, they'd have given us an option to migrate our accounts to the Steam platform.

Zenimax did absolutely nothing to explain these decisions upon reading the reaction of the people on their forums and other communities. Instead, they put up generic unquestionable statements, clearly saying, "You will not get this." Both this thread and the thread regarding the dog have one now. There is no explanation as to why. There is no conversation with us regarding the situation whatsoever. There is just "you can not be on Steam; add it as a non Steam game." and "You cannot have the dog unless you buy the game again."

I understand these seem like trivial concepts to you. They probably do to any rational person.

My problem is with the fact that not only did they do these frustrating things I listed above, they are not even acknowledging that it is probably annoying to some current players.

Not to mention that you couldn't play Skyrim without a Steam account.... Anyone want to take a guess as to how many of us own Skyrim for the PC? Therefore it's a pretty safe bet that we not only use Steam but would like to use it for this game too.

Tandor

Thanks for the explanation, Delith.

I wouldn't say that I consider issues like the dog or what you refer to as a history of gating content behind paywalls (I assume you're referring to Imperial characters etc) to be trivial, I know some people do take them very seriously.

I'd be more inclined, however, to take the view that it's pretty common practice in MMOs for people to get different rewards according to which version of the game they get, and it's also common practice for all such rewards to be made available more freely eventually (like veteran rewards in EQ2, to give one example). Given that common practice, I don't consider it unreasonable for ZOS to offer different rewards to people who buy through Steam to the ones they'd get if they bought through ZOS.

Nonetheless, I can understand people being frustrated or even annoyed about such things, but to suggest that it indicates a "poisonous mindset" necessitating cancelling an enjoyable game on moral principles remains, in my view, a gross over-reaction. Each as he sees fit, however, and thanks again for explaining it a little more clearly.

o_0

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

How are you having trouble understanding this? This is indicative of a poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service, and I have no desire to give these people any money.

When they start treating their current customers like they do their potential customers, I'll reconsider.

So explain the way in which current customers aren't being treated like potential customers. Is it the fact that you bought from ZOS and got one pet, while Steam customers will get a different pet? Is it that you bought from one retailer/launch platform but can't get a key from a different retailer/launch platform?

Don't just say I don't understand, explain clearly what the grievance is and why. I am genuinely unable to read into this a "poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service", it seems to me to be a very positive move that can only help the game by increasing sales, but I'm perfectly happy to be persuaded otherwise if the argument can extend beyond the "you don't want to admit it" stage to a proper explanation of why it indicates a "poisonous mindset" which seems a gross over-reaction even if the main criticism turns out to be that they won't allow you even to buy a Steam key for a ZOS account, as opposed to getting one for free. Is that what it's about? It's genuinely difficult to read behind the vitriol.

Zenimax has a history of gating content behind paywalls in ESO, making their entire playerbase mad. If they had learned anything from the response, there wouldn't be yet another unique piece of content (however trivial) behind a paywall.

Zenimax did not consider that a large portion of the people who play their game on the PC might also be current members of the largest PC gaming community platform on the planet. If they had, they'd have informed us of their interest to migrate to the Steam platform. If they had, they'd have given us an option to migrate our accounts to the Steam platform.

Zenimax did absolutely nothing to explain these decisions upon reading the reaction of the people on their forums and other communities. Instead, they put up generic unquestionable statements, clearly saying, "You will not get this." Both this thread and the thread regarding the dog have one now. There is no explanation as to why. There is no conversation with us regarding the situation whatsoever. There is just "you can not be on Steam; add it as a non Steam game." and "You cannot have the dog unless you buy the game again."

I understand these seem like trivial concepts to you. They probably do to any rational person.

My problem is with the fact that not only did they do these frustrating things I listed above, they are not even acknowledging that it is probably annoying to some current players.

Not to mention that you couldn't play Skyrim without a Steam account.... Anyone want to take a guess as to how many of us own Skyrim for the PC? Therefore it's a pretty safe bet that we not only use Steam but would like to use it for this game too.

Can't play skyrim without steam o_0? ummm you sure about that?

JKorr

o_0 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

How are you having trouble understanding this? This is indicative of a poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service, and I have no desire to give these people any money.

When they start treating their current customers like they do their potential customers, I'll reconsider.

So explain the way in which current customers aren't being treated like potential customers. Is it the fact that you bought from ZOS and got one pet, while Steam customers will get a different pet? Is it that you bought from one retailer/launch platform but can't get a key from a different retailer/launch platform?

Don't just say I don't understand, explain clearly what the grievance is and why. I am genuinely unable to read into this a "poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service", it seems to me to be a very positive move that can only help the game by increasing sales, but I'm perfectly happy to be persuaded otherwise if the argument can extend beyond the "you don't want to admit it" stage to a proper explanation of why it indicates a "poisonous mindset" which seems a gross over-reaction even if the main criticism turns out to be that they won't allow you even to buy a Steam key for a ZOS account, as opposed to getting one for free. Is that what it's about? It's genuinely difficult to read behind the vitriol.

Zenimax has a history of gating content behind paywalls in ESO, making their entire playerbase mad. If they had learned anything from the response, there wouldn't be yet another unique piece of content (however trivial) behind a paywall.

Zenimax did not consider that a large portion of the people who play their game on the PC might also be current members of the largest PC gaming community platform on the planet. If they had, they'd have informed us of their interest to migrate to the Steam platform. If they had, they'd have given us an option to migrate our accounts to the Steam platform.

Zenimax did absolutely nothing to explain these decisions upon reading the reaction of the people on their forums and other communities. Instead, they put up generic unquestionable statements, clearly saying, "You will not get this." Both this thread and the thread regarding the dog have one now. There is no explanation as to why. There is no conversation with us regarding the situation whatsoever. There is just "you can not be on Steam; add it as a non Steam game." and "You cannot have the dog unless you buy the game again."

I understand these seem like trivial concepts to you. They probably do to any rational person.

My problem is with the fact that not only did they do these frustrating things I listed above, they are not even acknowledging that it is probably annoying to some current players.

Not to mention that you couldn't play Skyrim without a Steam account.... Anyone want to take a guess as to how many of us own Skyrim for the PC? Therefore it's a pretty safe bet that we not only use Steam but would like to use it for this game too.

Can't play skyrim without steam o_0? ummm you sure about that?

Legally, yes.

Of course there are ways around it. And people come to Bethesda's skyrim forums and hint or flat out say they play without Steam. And immediately get a warning, or get banned because Steam is required to play the game.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Tandor wrote: »

Thanks for the explanation, Delith.

I wouldn't say that I consider issues like the dog or what you refer to as a history of gating content behind paywalls (I assume you're referring to Imperial characters etc) to be trivial, I know some people do take them very seriously.

I'd be more inclined, however, to take the view that it's pretty common practice in MMOs for people to get different rewards according to which version of the game they get, and it's also common practice for all such rewards to be made available more freely eventually (like veteran rewards in EQ2, to give one example). Given that common practice, I don't consider it unreasonable for ZOS to offer different rewards to people who buy through Steam to the ones they'd get if they bought through ZOS.

Nonetheless, I can understand people being frustrated or even annoyed about such things, but to suggest that it indicates a "poisonous mindset" necessitating cancelling an enjoyable game on moral principles remains, in my view, a gross over-reaction. Each as he sees fit, however, and thanks again for explaining it a little more clearly.

The rationale behind veteran rewards in EQ2 was reward loyal players. There was not a single thing that a new player ever got in EQ2 that they didn't give to veteran players. They even based the rewards on the actual amount of time you payed for the game in days. I'm sorry that this seems trivial, but there is absolutely no reason they cannot give this to existing customers now and new customers for a "limited time".

Delith

Tandor wrote: »

Thanks for the explanation, Delith.

I wouldn't say that I consider issues like the dog or what you refer to as a history of gating content behind paywalls (I assume you're referring to Imperial characters etc) to be trivial, I know some people do take them very seriously.

I'd be more inclined, however, to take the view that it's pretty common practice in MMOs for people to get different rewards according to which version of the game they get, and it's also common practice for all such rewards to be made available more freely eventually (like veteran rewards in EQ2, to give one example). Given that common practice, I don't consider it unreasonable for ZOS to offer different rewards to people who buy through Steam to the ones they'd get if they bought through ZOS.

Nonetheless, I can understand people being frustrated or even annoyed about such things, but to suggest that it indicates a "poisonous mindset" necessitating cancelling an enjoyable game on moral principles remains, in my view, a gross over-reaction. Each as he sees fit, however, and thanks again for explaining it a little more clearly.

I'm glad we were able to understand one another better, even if we still disagree.

Good luck to you, and I hope you continue to enjoy your game. I wish my personality let me forget this issue and enjoy the game the way yours does.

Delith

o_0 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

How are you having trouble understanding this? This is indicative of a poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service, and I have no desire to give these people any money.

When they start treating their current customers like they do their potential customers, I'll reconsider.

So explain the way in which current customers aren't being treated like potential customers. Is it the fact that you bought from ZOS and got one pet, while Steam customers will get a different pet? Is it that you bought from one retailer/launch platform but can't get a key from a different retailer/launch platform?

Don't just say I don't understand, explain clearly what the grievance is and why. I am genuinely unable to read into this a "poisonous mindset within the organization hosting this service", it seems to me to be a very positive move that can only help the game by increasing sales, but I'm perfectly happy to be persuaded otherwise if the argument can extend beyond the "you don't want to admit it" stage to a proper explanation of why it indicates a "poisonous mindset" which seems a gross over-reaction even if the main criticism turns out to be that they won't allow you even to buy a Steam key for a ZOS account, as opposed to getting one for free. Is that what it's about? It's genuinely difficult to read behind the vitriol.

Zenimax has a history of gating content behind paywalls in ESO, making their entire playerbase mad. If they had learned anything from the response, there wouldn't be yet another unique piece of content (however trivial) behind a paywall.

Zenimax did not consider that a large portion of the people who play their game on the PC might also be current members of the largest PC gaming community platform on the planet. If they had, they'd have informed us of their interest to migrate to the Steam platform. If they had, they'd have given us an option to migrate our accounts to the Steam platform.

Zenimax did absolutely nothing to explain these decisions upon reading the reaction of the people on their forums and other communities. Instead, they put up generic unquestionable statements, clearly saying, "You will not get this." Both this thread and the thread regarding the dog have one now. There is no explanation as to why. There is no conversation with us regarding the situation whatsoever. There is just "you can not be on Steam; add it as a non Steam game." and "You cannot have the dog unless you buy the game again."

I understand these seem like trivial concepts to you. They probably do to any rational person.

My problem is with the fact that not only did they do these frustrating things I listed above, they are not even acknowledging that it is probably annoying to some current players.

Not to mention that you couldn't play Skyrim without a Steam account.... Anyone want to take a guess as to how many of us own Skyrim for the PC? Therefore it's a pretty safe bet that we not only use Steam but would like to use it for this game too.

Can't play skyrim without steam o_0? ummm you sure about that?

I think the only way on the PC would be to pirate it.

Uncertain though. That's all I see when I Google "Skyrim no Steam".

Console is a different story, obviously.

Tandor

Delith wrote: »

Good luck to you, and I hope you continue to enjoy your game. I wish my personality let me forget this issue and enjoy the game the way yours does.

I don't think it's a case of my personality letting me forget this issue, for me there simply is no issue. ZOS are opening the game up to new customers through Steam, that should bring in additional players which will make grouping easier, refill the empty trading guilds and generally help the game. You have different views on it because you approach it from a different perspective with Steam (which I do use of course, although not socially) and I quite understand that and hope it won't after a period of reflection prevent you continuing to enjoy the game too! Best of luck anyway.